I'm on the chubby side so I have to make, alter, or thrift everything. I'm gonna cheat my way through this style

@ms.pirate

3 жыл бұрын

Same. I'm a size large-XL and its tough finding lolita and regular goth clothes in my size

@6DoctorWho

3 жыл бұрын

@@ms.pirate see this is why I diy blouses /poet shirts and tailor my men’s jeans !! Being on the thicker side of ouji is hard

The boyfriend who got dragged along is so on point though 😂

The "a silk shirt is a silk shirt" mentality is so true! I have recently saved a search on eBay that's literally just "leather shoes". Yes, a lot of them are not workable for lolita or vintage fashions that I wear - but there are enough that are that I can be picky about what I get! Looking at your side-by-side comparison (from the order they appeared in first, at around 9min) of "this is ouji and this is not", I think the elements that differ are "put-togetherness" and "softness"? Let's see if I can make words make sense now. What I mean by "put-togetherness" is that the ouji outfit on the left considers not only colour, but the look of pieces and how to style them. You could argue that both coords balance the colours out well throughout, but the ouji one pays attention to accessories a bit more: the hat matches in both colour and style, the neck bow fits with the vintage/not-contemporary-clothes feel to the outfit vs "a tie is a classic accessory that matches all elegant menswear" that the outfit on the right goes for. Hair and makeup tie that look, there is clear thought in the ouji outfit on what hairstyle would suit the hat and the shirt neckline and the makeup is there to accentuate the outfit's colours further. On the other hand, the non-ouji outfit looks bare faced or at least the makeup isn't as prominent, and the hair is tied in a way that's practical, so it doesn't get in the face, not in a way to highlight any particular aspect of the outfit. The "softness" probably also plays into the "not contemporary clothing" feel. The non-ouji outfit looks thoroughly modern and contemporary, from the shirt's collar and tie down to the boots. Even though those same elements could be worn with ouji, maybe even altogether, as is they look like recognisable menswear (music posters of 2000s rock bands come to mind). The ouji outfit retains an element of "this feels like something from the past" because overall it is a softer take on masculinity: the rounded bow of the necktie vs sharp pointy tie, the fluffy ruffles on the high neckline vs pointy collar, a subtler choice of shoe vs a bold statement one. Although ouji fashion is indisputably masculine and can be edgy/sharp/pointy, it is still a softer interpretation of masculinity than contemporary clothing, one which also plays into the "men can have long hair and wear makeup" aspect that contemporary mens fashion is only just coming round to and still doesn't fully accept. I hope this mini-essay made sense. It is very hard to distill into clear guidelines because ouji, unlike lolita, isn't reliant on a silhouette, so what makes something ouji or not is a lot more subtle. But I think that just like we can use mainstream clothing to create an ouji look, one could use ouji-specific clothing to create mainstream looks (Boz has some damn fine tailoring that would totally pass as just very formal eveningwear, as does AatP). So given that, the differences have to lie with styling and how we put the pieces together, not with the pieces themselves, and the effect that those stylistic choices aim to achieve: one of timelessness, evoking a bygone period of fashion (whether as recent as the 1950s or as distant as the 1600s), and aiming for a masculine look that embraces its soft elements that contemporary fashion associates with femininity. Thank you for coming to my TED Talk :P

@lougraves

4 жыл бұрын

NAILED IT! I'm so glad you could put this together in words ahah!

@CupcakeKamisama

4 жыл бұрын

@@lougraves only took an hour long video after Mana knows how long you spent on it! xD

Striped sock are usually really easy to get around Halloween. (at least in the US)

@snail2738

2 жыл бұрын

spirit halloween is your best friend!!!

i think the word you might be looking for is "whimsical". a good eye for whimsy can completely change any outfit!

@lougraves

4 жыл бұрын

yeah! Thats a good word for it!

I stole a bunch of my moms blouses from the 70's when i was a teenager and I STILL use them for alt and dressy outfits. An oversized blouse is a blouse mang

Ouji doesn't have a set silhouette! 😮I'd never considered that before..

@lougraves

4 жыл бұрын

it's interesting to think about isn't it? I wish I was better at explaining in words haha.

This would have been so useful for me growing up! You're doing gods work here

@lougraves

4 жыл бұрын

thank you

Mate your necklace is so cool! Also this was helpful! Thanks!

@lougraves

4 жыл бұрын

thank you!

Look at shop locations if you’re thrift shopping. One of my best thrift shop spots was a Salvation Army next to a mall when I lived in Iowa, and they would get the mall’s previous seasonals. When I moved to Washington, the mall had a Macy’s off-season shop that sold whatever the Macy’s next door couldn’t sell the previous seasons.

@lougraves

4 жыл бұрын

thats a good tip!

ouji and lolita vs mainstream factors for me: color coordination-- coordinates carry colors and motifs throughout an outfit, rarely having isolated splashes of color. fit-- lolita skirts are obvious, but ouji still has some distinct silhouettes. long pants are usually either very tight or very loose, and shorts are usually either flared, gathered at the hem, or have a lot of hardware. for blouses, lolita and ouji structured blouses tend to have exaggerated proportions on the collar and cuffs and they're usually shorter. hair accessories-- ouji and lolita almost always have a matching color hair accessory, or else an interesting hairstyle, usually with a lot of volume. other accessories-- there are three broad categories for accessories that make an outfit read as ouji or lolita to me: historical influence, atypical proportions, and coordinate-relevant themes/colors. so, for ouji neckwear, a historically-inspired jabot, a very short putumayo tie with stripes, or even a regular tie with candelabras on it could read as ouji. a blue striped tie in a coord without blue probably wouldn't. idk, it's a lot of nuance and i think it's kinda futile to essentialize something that's ultimately based on mood, but these are some things that i look at when assembling outfits, and it's fun to theorize!

I finally found a perfect wearable vampire style channel!!!! *jumps up and hugs*

i think maybe it is to do with the historical basis of the fashion. for example the tie looks too modern and "normie" it looks like formal wear. where as tying it in a bow changes the normie-ness of it to me more historical looking. maybe the same with the bleach dye pants also. the fashion is based on history and you can have the same components but lose the story. does that make any sense?

@lougraves

3 жыл бұрын

yeah! that makes sense! very well put.

I hate when people say you can't buy mainstream clothing pieces for Lolita, I understand it might be easier as a beginner to buy Lolita specific items but I've found so many stunning blouses and accessories I use in my co-ords from thrift stores over the years.

Lookin like an ouji Han Solo 👌

@lougraves

4 жыл бұрын

oh my, thank you!

Shoes... Shoes... OMG! shoes... LET'S GET SOME SHOES

@lougraves

4 жыл бұрын

LETS GET SOME SHOES!

I haven't seen sock toppers in years!

@lougraves

4 жыл бұрын

honestly, Ive had the same ones for over a decade now, they're so handy though! I should have mentioned in the video that wrist cuffs can also be sock toppers and vice versa.....

Im here cuz i just wanna try before committing to the style. Thanks a lot, its been a huge help!

@lougraves

4 жыл бұрын

Glad I could help!

I was one of the people who asked for this video. Thank you so much, Lou! edit: Would really like the same for strictly goth fashion!

This is such a great video and also something I’ve been searching for for a long time! I love all of the outfits you did so much! I’m just getting into lolita fashion and have always shopped second hand in charity shops for clothes (used to be really into goth fashion) and really wanted to apply that to lolita fashion too! Thanks for making this! 💓

that moment when the subtitles mistake ouji for oRgy

How are you so good at looking masc *and* fem Save some gender for the rest of us

This was a great inspiration. Thanks for posting this video.

@lougraves

3 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it!

This was such a fun video to watch. It is hard to put into words what makes and outfit ouji or lolita. A lot of it is about feel and historical inspiration, which is difficult to define. I love the grey dress and would totally wear something like that as a blouse under a fuller skirt for lolita. The black dress worked really nicely too. Gotta love a versatile black dress. I was hoping for more ouji examples in this video, since I'm new to ouji and have been wearing lolita for several years, but the same principles do apply. Also, random though but thanks for calling 90s and early 2000s not vintage. I'm old enough that these aren't vintage to me either. Sock toppers are fantastic! I've made myself some wristcuffs and need to do sock toppers too. Yes, the challenge with off brand and lolita is definitely the silhouette. Ouji has its own challenge, because the characteristic shorts aren't something you typically find in mainstream stores. Dressing up one or two main ouji fashion pieces sound like a plan to me. This is exactly what I do in lolita. All of the examples were great.

This was so helpful thank you 😊

I need to make sock toppers now.

@lougraves

3 жыл бұрын

I highly reccomend them.

maybe the difference is vibes? the lolita and ouji community seem to put a lot of emphasis on quality and effort, not that everything needs to be the most top quality or toppest pf effort. when it’s just a costume to someone..they may skip out on quality, may kinda just feel awkward or different than normal. maybe even not coordinate as well? maybe how it’s expressed? a lolita will put personality into an outfit. a costume is more superficial. idk..am a newbie and i’m being really presumptuous.

Really inspiring video!

@lougraves

4 жыл бұрын

thank you :)

you wear some great styles lou.jpj

@lougraves

4 жыл бұрын

thanks!

1:17 - 1:49 thanks. I really appreciate this.

My greatest problem is: Even if I decide to order brand pieces, it will take ages to get to me, because I’m living outside of Japan. Hence, I’ll get impatient… For example: I’ve got upcoming events the next weeks and I’ve ordered the outfit in Spring this year. They haven’t arrived yet. I’m having a little issue now…

Is 'the' dress the black, lacy H&M dress? I don't own it but a girl in my comm does!

@lougraves

4 жыл бұрын

yeah! it's got a grey underlayer, and black lace over layer!

@Kaiplaylists

4 жыл бұрын

@@lougraves is this it? egl.circlly.com/auctions/loliable-dress-h-m-organza-flock

4:50 - 4:59 hahaha thank gosh someone hates Amazon as much as me

Me whole just order a shorts on Amazon 😮

The problem is that often you’ll get Halloween clothes so…

@lougraves

3 ай бұрын

I actually have a video about styling halloweennclothes

Id 100% end myself on those scissors lol stay safe

@kenzo_2725

10 ай бұрын

Dont think its real

I wish your videos were a bit more edited so it's shorter...50 minutes are quite long... It makes it harder to just watch a few videos of you and still get the information.

The french hats aren't called barry they are called Baret wich is pronounced as Beh-ray.

@justsooty3033

3 жыл бұрын

i think its his accent

@martinamakek9608

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, in english -et can be pronounced -ay / -y. The word is common enough in english that they forgot the french pronounciation

@Atomiks52

2 жыл бұрын

It's "Béret"

also, for the hashtag ideas: what if you took a page from what "EGL" is (elegant gothic lolita) and do something like, MSL (main-stream lolita)? so, #MSLfashion or #MSOfashion. it might not be immediately recognizeable and it's not very catchy but it's functional. kind of like hiding normie clothes in lolita, lmao.

@lougraves

4 жыл бұрын

hmm, yeah that could work!