How To Use Compression on Your Mix

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In this episode I directly compare different types of analog and digital compressors on the 2-bus.
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  • @kerrysmith
    @kerrysmith7 ай бұрын

    The physical SSL comp was surprising in how much more "like a record" it sounded, with the imaging, and the way it pushed the vocal forward a little. You can do more of these Rick, but if you're going to do them, you need to compare the same sections of the songs, and not have different processing on different densities of arrangement.

  • @WrestleTheDecibel

    @WrestleTheDecibel

    7 ай бұрын

    "You need to compare the same sections of the songs, and not have different processing on different densities of arrangement" - I came on here to say the same. Pointless comparing an open verse to a dense chorus

  • @shinomorello

    @shinomorello

    7 ай бұрын

    I was ready to provide same feedback regarding song section were not the same during comparisons. However it was a good topic as always in this channel.

  • @cbrooks0905

    @cbrooks0905

    7 ай бұрын

    I can definitely hear the differences. It’s subtle, but if you know what to listen for it’s obvious. I like how the analog SSL kept the mix open and gave it that sound like it’s a record. The only thing I didn’t like was how it made the vocal a little more pokey. Over all I think it was the best though, so I’d probably just go back into the mix and attenuate what needs to be attenuated to tame the vocal back down. I should note that I listened to this in the car while eating Chick-Fil-A. So I could be wrong.

  • @WrestleTheDecibel

    @WrestleTheDecibel

    7 ай бұрын

    @@cbrooks0905 😂😂😂👍👍

  • @cbrooks0905

    @cbrooks0905

    7 ай бұрын

    @@WrestleTheDecibel I didn’t mean to comment that here. Oops! 😂

  • @samuelbreuer
    @samuelbreuer7 ай бұрын

    For the final comparison it would have been very helpful to loop the chorus and hear the different compressors in the same part of the song 😊

  • @sideshow4463

    @sideshow4463

    7 ай бұрын

    I agree. This comparison was not very good because the song sounds different in different sections.

  • @broad_cat

    @broad_cat

    7 ай бұрын

    I was thinking about this too. I've only sparingly done some mixing, but from my PoV I can see where both are valid. Doing back to back means you compare most to what was before it rather than how it individually sounds. But mixing it up this way, you're having to be more discerning about the comp on its own. Even learning *how* to listen to things (like Rick said even careful level matching is crucially important to A/B testing) is such a skill to amateur audio productions.

  • @calebneff5777

    @calebneff5777

    7 ай бұрын

    Yeah, the compressors changing with the song parts makes this useless.

  • @Disciple_Of_Lerxst

    @Disciple_Of_Lerxst

    7 ай бұрын

    I agree. It was hard to hear a difference throughout the different bars, and how melodic his singing is. If we were hearing the same part over and over again through each compressor, I think I would have noticed more. The analog SSL was about the only one where I heard a distinct difference. But I'm hard of hearing.

  • @dino1065

    @dino1065

    7 ай бұрын

    Totally agree

  • @thomastucker5686
    @thomastucker56867 ай бұрын

    What I hear is amazing vocals that it almost doesn't matter what you do with it. The performance outshines anything you are doing with it. Of course you made it amazing in the first place on the recording end. This just proves to me the performance is the key. I can appreciate the addition of buss compression as demonstrated, but it is hard to get past the performance.

  • @rbrianharris

    @rbrianharris

    7 ай бұрын

    Yes... I agree. This kinda' stuff makes me think of people comparing salt on cooking shows. I'm sure they feel there's a difference. But to most, there just isn't.

  • @shaft9000

    @shaft9000

    7 ай бұрын

    "What matters what you do with it" here is reaching the goal of producing a radio-friendly mix that readily inhabits a cultural landscape and technical standards. It is quite specific, albeit in the midst of hundreds of possible variables. Naturally, talent is _always_ going to be the most important ingredient in making a fine recording. No getting around that! The greater the talent involved in the recording stage, the less doctoring-work (usually) needs to be done in post-production. It does NOT mean, however, that you can just "record them and that's enough work to make a hit record". TL;DR: _All audio format concerns regarding channel count, final EQ , dynamics and bandwidth limitations must always addressed by the MASTER mix._

  • @convexsix

    @convexsix

    7 ай бұрын

    Yes, a good vocalist makes a huge difference, but It takes alot of work and experimentation to get the right fx and processing working with the singer's voice and then having that sit properly in a mix .It's an art form that some producers choose to specialize in. As an example: Rob Squire (Pendulum, Knife Party) is an amazing producer but even he sends his vocals to someone else for processing. What you're hearing in this video has alot of processing going on beyond just the compression. The engineering and producing aspect are just as much a part of the artistry of the writing process as the composition and slapping any compressor on because "whatever, it works" is a lack of the attention to detail that results in great music.

  • @seenbelow

    @seenbelow

    7 ай бұрын

    Was about to say the same thing. And that the drums were excellently recorded and edited. You might as well leave them in without any further processing, it will do just fine in most listening environments.

  • @roddykennedy9476

    @roddykennedy9476

    7 ай бұрын

    @@rbrianharrisYou can hear differences but it would take a lot to convince me that they matter. It’s just slight tonal differences to me. Maybe I’ll try a again later with serious headphone listening but not sure I will 🤣

  • @dshephardcomposer
    @dshephardcomposer7 ай бұрын

    One thing was very clear, the Burl Vancouver added A LOT of character and depth. Loved that. Also, the real SSL sounded alive vs the plugin, which sounded thinner and more brittle.

  • @kaivrock

    @kaivrock

    7 ай бұрын

    The Burl at the end sounded best to me. I thought the vocal and synth were badly recorded though. The vocal sounds like it was recorded with a cheap mic.

  • @vvessel_

    @vvessel_

    7 ай бұрын

    I honestly thought the plugin sounded more open in the top-end / more transparant. Maybe I'm losing it though.

  • @marcusmiller8267

    @marcusmiller8267

    7 ай бұрын

    That was my favorite as well.

  • @mpelevic

    @mpelevic

    6 ай бұрын

    @@vvessel_ I hate to be the one to tell you…

  • @TheDwarfInvasion

    @TheDwarfInvasion

    5 ай бұрын

    @@vvessel_ hardware had a little top end rolloff that would benefit from a db of EQ at 10k. but man hardware also sounded a lot bigger and more natural.

  • @marpsr
    @marpsr7 ай бұрын

    It’s almost a vibe thing, and the Chandler has it in spades. Really breathes life into the sound.

  • @SeanofAllTrades

    @SeanofAllTrades

    7 ай бұрын

    I think it's doing something to the high end. I wasn't paying attention to the piano in the mix at all until the Chandler popped on.

  • @TWEAKER01

    @TWEAKER01

    7 ай бұрын

    Transformer creaminess, as also in the earlier LTD2.

  • @ModusVivendiMedia

    @ModusVivendiMedia

    7 ай бұрын

    I just thought the Chandler sounded really distorted. It was kind of irritating to listen to.

  • @janntucek

    @janntucek

    7 ай бұрын

    Yep, the Chandler is gold on vocals.

  • @shaft9000

    @shaft9000

    7 ай бұрын

    It is increasing relative volume of all 2nd order harmonics up into the higher overtones and air-band = i.e. more "sizzle"

  • @noyolamusic
    @noyolamusic7 ай бұрын

    The SSL G hardware compressor opens up the stereo image in a very particular way. Sounds amazing. Also the way the Chandler brings out the character of the vocal is very nice!

  • @aptudo

    @aptudo

    7 ай бұрын

    I absolutely hear that too. I thought I might be imagining it.

  • @Bernardminet25

    @Bernardminet25

    7 ай бұрын

    I only hear a clear difference on this one too. The mix is more « airy » than the others. The difference between all the others is maybe a kick drum more or less muddy.

  • @andreifilip

    @andreifilip

    7 ай бұрын

    Chandler the winner for me on this mix, too! Brings the vocal upfront and has a mid forward sound I like

  • @misterjohnnymusic

    @misterjohnnymusic

    7 ай бұрын

    the real is real

  • @ChrisSchaffer

    @ChrisSchaffer

    7 ай бұрын

    The chandler feels like it's the most gentle to how the vocal track ends up sounding - the SSL (real or digital) has a stronger edge to the top end of the sound that the Chandler rounds off in a very musically pleasing way that I prefer for this specific track. It's subtle, but I am feeling the same vibe you are.

  • @djdanger9812
    @djdanger98127 ай бұрын

    I think its important to loop the same piece of music when doing comparisons. If you play though a track continuously while switching out gear its not a real comparison because the song is sonically evolving as it plays through as is the stereo image with different instrument parts coming and going. If a 2-4 bar section is looped for the comparison I feel its much clearer how the equipment is interacting with the audio. Big fan of the channel and excited to see content like this finally on the channel Rick!

  • @enispenvy9174
    @enispenvy91747 ай бұрын

    Can we just take a moment to recognize how great the song and the vocalist is? Wow!

  • @HochgeborenKlown

    @HochgeborenKlown

    7 ай бұрын

    Wish I could find the song and artist...

  • @enispenvy9174

    @enispenvy9174

    7 ай бұрын

    Song: North South North Artist: Our Wild Love

  • @HochgeborenKlown

    @HochgeborenKlown

    7 ай бұрын

    @@enispenvy9174 Thank you very much!!

  • @beejsmusic

    @beejsmusic

    7 ай бұрын

    Sounds a bit like Keane.

  • @mikemakesmaps

    @mikemakesmaps

    6 ай бұрын

    heavy jeff buckley vibes

  • @matthewcohen6093
    @matthewcohen60937 ай бұрын

    The differences are very subtle IMHO. I’ve never properly got my head around it, even after 35 years as a bass player, and numerous years as a “producer / engineer”. It’s so subjective. It’s why we have amazing people like you in the world. You help us make sense of it all. Thank you for all you do. What a talent, and what engaging entertainment and enthusiasm you bring to this world of music. Much respect always 🫡🙏🏻

  • @shaft9000

    @shaft9000

    7 ай бұрын

    A good way to learn the basics is to take some loops and vocal lines and go NUTS with pushing compression too far. I didn't understand compression until I had abused it - and then in response I overcompensated with restraint - and then eventually realized that in some situations a little goes a long way, and in others smashing things is just the ticket. - ESSENTIAL to intermediate compression: knowing when and how to use Vari-Mu vs FET vs VCA _[EDIT: vs Optical],_ the benefits of serial compression vs parallel and groups/bussing, anything concerning sidechain and feed-forward vs feed-back, crest vs RMS, and on and on. - The more advanced compression-obsessed mix-nerds are well beyond drooling over _mere Fairchilds,_ and have already gotten into ancient Dept of Commerce (some aka 'Maxson') and/or old Altec and Neve units etc; originals and recreations....while often keeping the other eye on any tools useful in the digital domain. There is simply no substitute for experience and 1st-hand know-how.

  • @user-ee4wh8vv5o
    @user-ee4wh8vv5o7 ай бұрын

    Chandler TG1 gave life to the mix, it is so clean and opens up the entire mix. Gr8 work

  • @thetoddkeith
    @thetoddkeith7 ай бұрын

    I've never heard of a Burl Vancouver but it blew everything out of the water. The difference was so deep and obvious. It does something to the harmonic bed of the song.

  • @ferociousmullet9287

    @ferociousmullet9287

    7 ай бұрын

    Transformers compress with level and respond to bass differently to higher frequencies, so you will get them saturating earlier in the low end. All compression is 'wave shaping' aka saturation/distortion, so add some form of harmonic distortion. The difference with transformers is how the time constants work. As they are magnetic in how they operate and so have something called hysteresis which can be thought of a bit like having a degree of lag or 'memory' in how they change state. In that it takes a certain amount of energy to get them into a certain state and another different level of energy to get back to their previous initial state. Tape compression offers the same type of response. You can think of them as acting like limiters but with a near instantaneous attack and release time. So their action is very much 'invisible' to hear unlike a 'normal' compressor with it's very obvious at times changes in audio level due to the amount of time taken for them to operate.

  • @rumar4u

    @rumar4u

    7 ай бұрын

    @@ferociousmullet9287That’s great and all but the most important factor which is audio quality and a distinctive “color” is what Burl impressed the most.

  • @frankmarsh1159

    @frankmarsh1159

    6 ай бұрын

    @@ferociousmullet9287 Compression has nothing to do with "saturation/distortion". Any "saturation/distortion" or harmonic distortion added to the sound would be a side effect of the specific compressor being used.

  • @vivanmusicmaker
    @vivanmusicmaker7 ай бұрын

    Please do more of mixing tutorials. I love the way you explain things.

  • @MonoYMonoRecords
    @MonoYMonoRecords7 ай бұрын

    The Burl truly brought it from mix to master more than any of the comps imo. I really liked how the real SSL softened sibilance on vox and reverb trails. TBH, stereo image was kind of a toss up, but that's likely bc of streaming through yt even at 2k. Also - the pre-bus mix felt really unpolished to me when I first heard it, so I was surprised by how much you rely on those final two pieces of gear to basically transform it into a record. Like it almost felt like cheating especially through the Burl. This is reminding me to hold back on prematurely turning on Ozone since that really eliminates an opportunity to draw more character out of the mix through other (more expensive) means. Unintentional mix lesson. Always great stuff!

  • @elijahslate1842

    @elijahslate1842

    7 ай бұрын

    Yeah, the Burl was the only one that stood out from the rest for me. Just sounded thicker on the low end.

  • @tangotommi
    @tangotommi7 ай бұрын

    After the Chandler TG-1 and the Burl I seemed to hear the drum kick more and a more differentiated sound, ie, more separation. In addition, some of the real high frequencies were gone and the vocal seemed clearer. Very nice! Rick. Love it!❤👍🏼

  • @brianpierce6877
    @brianpierce68777 ай бұрын

    Rick--1) Yes, more of this content and 2) that Chandler was AMAZING! For me, it really pulled it all together..vocal, snare and kick all sounded great!

  • @LeonFeldmanMusic
    @LeonFeldmanMusic7 ай бұрын

    Most beneficial aspect of this video was showing how subtle the color of a bus compressor really is when level matched.

  • @boldstreetlad
    @boldstreetlad7 ай бұрын

    Chandler does something I really like to the sound, the SSL hardware sounds very polished as you'd expect, and the UBK seems to add that little bit of mojo that the others don't have

  • @mtreder4
    @mtreder47 ай бұрын

    The Chandler does a great job of opening up the mix. More like this please!

  • @dougthornton6884

    @dougthornton6884

    7 ай бұрын

    I agree. The Chandler just sounds better overall. Would make my listening experience pleasurable.

  • @tinkercitymusic
    @tinkercitymusic7 ай бұрын

    SSL G absolutely is clearly the winner. Definitely do more of these. I'd love to see you do some preamp shootouts vs plugins (Plugin Alliance, UA etc...)

  • @rikkvilla9767
    @rikkvilla97677 ай бұрын

    The Chandler was pure aural pleasure. Since I prefer openness and clarity in a mix, the Chandler seemed to add space and reduce clutter while providing definition, especially in the well-recorded vocal track. I listened only once (pre-planned) to avoid the inevitable clouding of the ears that seems to occur all-too-quickly when overconcentrating (especially on mixes of our own music!)

  • @strayingwill
    @strayingwill7 ай бұрын

    Would love to see more content like this! I can definitely hear a noticeable difference in the way certain compressors colored the tone, especially between the digital ssl and the real ssl.

  • @danieldillon6436
    @danieldillon64366 ай бұрын

    To me, the UBK sounded the most natural, it just seemed to get rid of the stray frequencies/distortion and seemed to enhance the track and give it more body. I heard more of the frequencies, especially in the vocals. The emulated compressors were not as natural sounding. This was a really good lesson, thank you again Rick for another great music video and learning experience.

  • @semilog643
    @semilog6437 ай бұрын

    The Chandler does an incredible job of emphasizing the spaces in the music, and the drums sound amazing and organic. That version just jumped out at me.

  • @studebachorhoch4079

    @studebachorhoch4079

    7 ай бұрын

    agreed.

  • @johnvender
    @johnvender7 ай бұрын

    I was a bit surprised how much better the real SSL sounds than the Waves plugin. Out of all you demonstrated I put the Waves plugin clear last. More videos like this please Rick. One suggestion I have is best uses of sidechaining.

  • @_brocklee
    @_brocklee7 ай бұрын

    I love how much compression on the entire track brings the time based effects forward in the mix. It really makes the string pads and piano staccato stuff shine without being too loud in the mix. The real SSL is my favorite but the Chandler is a close 2nd and probably my favorite depending on the day.

  • @guser7137
    @guser71377 ай бұрын

    Rick, I have to say the compression examples are very subtle to my ear. What is more obvious is that the final mix before the compression is exceptionally well done.

  • @TheDive25

    @TheDive25

    7 ай бұрын

    totally agree. It sounds so clean and clear. Doesn't need any help.

  • @PunkMonster

    @PunkMonster

    2 ай бұрын

    Yeah all these people saying this one or that one was better. The difference between most of them was so subtle any would have done just as a good a job as far as I could hear. Maybe my ear's bad? i dunno.

  • @kevinlittle7776
    @kevinlittle77767 ай бұрын

    The differences are subtle but discernable. I felt the glue most from the Burl. I liked the Analog SSL the best as I really heard everything open up with it, the piano especially. Yes please for more content like this Rick!

  • @jusplainmark
    @jusplainmark7 ай бұрын

    I like the uncompressed mix- the vocals are superbly recorded! The compressors *do* bring out subtleties in the background, which even out the soundscape and individual voices. I particularly liked the Chandler- it brought out the bass and piano lines, to more closely enhance the vocal. Overall- I liked the Vancouver and the analog SSL G-comp- they enhanced and balanced the overall mix, and brought it to life. However- I still appreciate the good recording, uncompressed! Yes- please do more technical videos! Thank you, Rick!

  • @diegooliveirabenjamin
    @diegooliveirabenjamin7 ай бұрын

    Ugh, mix professionally for 10+ years, and still I could talk comps ALL DAY, what a gem Ricky!

  • @NONE2NONE

    @NONE2NONE

    7 ай бұрын

    Must be nice! I literally can't tell the difference between any of them haha

  • @diegooliveirabenjamin

    @diegooliveirabenjamin

    7 ай бұрын

    @@NONE2NONE keep listening and you will, first train you ear to hear compression in general, then diferente settings, and then different compressors

  • @MarshallSetUps
    @MarshallSetUps7 ай бұрын

    Keep in mind that 99% of home recording artists will never even see any of the analog compressors. With that beiung said, I feel I could hear subtle differences, but nothing that made me think, "I have got to get that compressor to have my songs in the same game as the "big boys". I need to write good songs. Bless you Rick.

  • @machineagevoodoo2106

    @machineagevoodoo2106

    7 ай бұрын

    99% will NEVER see. Haha bit overly dramatic are we? Jesus

  • @nikolatomic5287

    @nikolatomic5287

    7 ай бұрын

    @@machineagevoodoo2106 he is right. 99% of the musicians are ordinary people. since every year some comp stuff is getting better, we will not go to the studios. nobody will need original thing.

  • @nikolatomic5287

    @nikolatomic5287

    7 ай бұрын

    @@domgirard4095 what electronic stuff? "analog warm up" is nonsense by people who listen with their eyes, not ears.

  • @erind2197
    @erind21977 ай бұрын

    Chandler was by far my favorite for this particular song. It didn't hurt that the vocalist was amazing and the song was sooo damn good....

  • @MillieandMaxMusic
    @MillieandMaxMusic6 ай бұрын

    What a great vocal performance, buss compression is very secondary to that!

  • @TomBelknapRoc
    @TomBelknapRoc7 ай бұрын

    So I appreciate that you allowed us to listen to these compressors without coloring our impressions. I would definitely love to see more comparisons like this.

  • @CLdwyer
    @CLdwyer7 ай бұрын

    I think what’s interesting is that each of these options affect everything in the track, especially the loudest elements (kick, vocal, bass). These are situational tools and it’s cool how mix bus processing can make a global impact to the track to accomplish a goal. Love seeing this kind of creative passion for these types of nuances.

  • @fugue6904
    @fugue69047 ай бұрын

    really great to see you do a video showing the differences in recording gear and compression! love it, more please

  • @blairholmesproductionsinc.9432
    @blairholmesproductionsinc.94327 ай бұрын

    Nice Rick! This is terrific. A nice summation of different tools. The tune is great too! Thx!

  • @taylorvolleberg
    @taylorvolleberg7 ай бұрын

    Something in the Analog SSL G really makes the mix shine. All the squish or the movement in the low mid freq really stand out and feel smooth. I think a lot of compression is based more in feeling than what is apparent audibly and for newer producers or people just learning to mix that can be easily misunderstood or even noticed. This was a super cool video, thank you Rick

  • @steamer2k319

    @steamer2k319

    7 ай бұрын

    Yeah, I liked the crunchiness of the analog G-comp best on this mix. They're all pretty subtle, though. I think uncompressed could be cool for e.g., a more organic-sounding bridge.

  • @shaft9000

    @shaft9000

    7 ай бұрын

    in a word, buss compression is GLUE ...and _pssst! you can get better results than this by using more than one comp in series; check Joe Chiccarelli's technique._

  • @stephenmeade3369
    @stephenmeade33697 ай бұрын

    My personal preference is for the uncompressed mix. I generally prefer a more "live" sound and I find playback systems with more inherent resolution and capability tend to sound best with the least compression. With that said, I can see how that hot kick drum could be a real problem on a playback system with poor LF performance or drive a crappy car stereo headunit amp into clipping. My least favorite was the Burl. I'm sure on certain tracks or instruments it's magical -- just not here. It felt veiled -- like it was smudging the music -- "vintagey" in a bad way. If I had to go with a compressor, I liked the UBK the best. It didn't do anything particularly well, but it provided the best all-around, balanced sound. I'd imagine it would sound pretty good everywhere. The other compression units seemed to add a thinness and flatness to the top-end. Might have been a KZread byproduct, but it made the music sound "cheap." Ideologically, I think the producer and engineers should work to make the best-sounding record they can, and let the playback equipment manufacturers deal with modifying the music to make it sound better. IE: Don't dumb down your mix to sound good on crappy car stereos. Let AC Delco put in a 2nd order high-pass filter at 80hz to keep their underpowered headunits from clipping trying to produce bass the speakers don't even stand a chance of playing. The rest of us should get to enjoy the concussive, visceral impact from a well-recorded kick drum. I really like these types of videos, but I'm a super nerd.

  • @JMWatts79
    @JMWatts797 ай бұрын

    Wow, the Burl Vancouver version sounds perfect to me. It’s magical. Very warm and clear.

  • @Jowdanicus
    @Jowdanicus7 ай бұрын

    Wow, I was literally researching and playing around with this very thing all day yesterday. You couldn't have dropped this video at a better time!

  • @catchdink
    @catchdink6 ай бұрын

    Hey Rick, I heard the entire album it is amazing!

  • @martindl9897
    @martindl98977 ай бұрын

    Rick, as an untrained ear, for me there's a subtle difference between each compressor. It's not a huge difference, but it's more like a colour, a texture. Love to see more of this technical videos. Thanks.

  • @iammadeofsound
    @iammadeofsound7 ай бұрын

    Great video Rick! And a fantastic song too!

  • @Pmdrumcircle
    @Pmdrumcircle7 ай бұрын

    Yes absolutely please Rick please keep making vids like this. I really enjoyed the comparisons between each compressor.

  • @LearnWithStephen
    @LearnWithStephen7 ай бұрын

    The Burl sounds teally nice to my ears. Love this kind of content (as well as anything else ;) )

  • @guitboxgeek
    @guitboxgeek7 ай бұрын

    I use the Chandler as my main parallel buss for drums, like Rick mentioned. I love that sound, but the Burl, wow. I was more impressed with that then I thought I would be. That said, it's all through YT's algorithm. Love this stuff, Rick!

  • @ekjade
    @ekjade7 ай бұрын

    Love the vocals, great melody !

  • @soundcreation
    @soundcreation7 ай бұрын

    Thanks so much for this vid and yes I would love to see more of content like this!! I run a small recording studio full time and always love to hear Ricks amazing expertise and deconstruction of mixes, and improve mine🙂

  • @jamescaseymusic
    @jamescaseymusic7 ай бұрын

    I do hear a difference but I don't understand the difference, I couldn't adequately describe it. I DO want more content like this.

  • @FishloreJimson
    @FishloreJimson7 ай бұрын

    Regarding the bus compression, all I can say is through my desktop speakers, lacking compression did absolutely nothing negative to my listening experience. I'd enjoy the music exactly the same with or without it.

  • @ernstvanoeveren4361
    @ernstvanoeveren43617 ай бұрын

    Love it Rick! More of this type of stuff please.

  • @delborrell
    @delborrell7 ай бұрын

    Great comparison. Keep them coming!

  • @vatonatroshvili1088
    @vatonatroshvili10887 ай бұрын

    In my opinion - the burl Vancouver and the chandler TG1 did the best for this very type of song. I definitely can hear the harmonics added to the mix and it is very ear pleasing and in tact.

  • @dustofvraj8100
    @dustofvraj81007 ай бұрын

    Nice! I would love to hear the same part of the song looped through each signal chain thus giving us the most accurate comparison. When the songs dynamics change from part to part the compressors are working differently. Therefore the a/b comparisons fluctuate.

  • @Spladoinkal
    @Spladoinkal7 ай бұрын

    This is actually exactly what I was looking for! Thanks!

  • @motob2863
    @motob28637 ай бұрын

    I like this content. Differences were subtle but the Chandler definitely added clarity and punch.

  • @aleksamrkela831
    @aleksamrkela8317 ай бұрын

    Awesome video! Love the engineering side of this channel. :D The plugin isn't even close to the hardware SSL compressor. The Chandler has a specific color/saturation that's absolutely perfect for the song. The Fatso's great for improving the crest factor.

  • @pisceswater...6998

    @pisceswater...6998

    7 ай бұрын

    if you hit Saturation it is

  • @aleksamrkela831

    @aleksamrkela831

    7 ай бұрын

    @@pisceswater...6998 Not sure what you're referring to.

  • @pisceswater...6998

    @pisceswater...6998

    7 ай бұрын

    @@aleksamrkela831 ssl plug

  • @PrinceWesterburg
    @PrinceWesterburg7 ай бұрын

    The Waves plugin has spitty treble (mind you the source was quite harsh) which the transformers don't have. Most Waves plugins have a muddled midrange too but in this case its pretty good - especially given the price! The Burl is really good while the Chandler was a bit flabby - but thats great for certain things. The real SSL was superb, and we've heard it on so so many records. All these tools have their uses and the Waves deficiencies could make it shine in a signal chain that needed that.

  • @johanh9637

    @johanh9637

    7 ай бұрын

    Good comment. You seem knowledgeable. Have you tried U-HE presswerk?

  • @TheBoxBand
    @TheBoxBandАй бұрын

    There is a whole new treasure chest in your second channel. KZread community owes you so much Rick.

  • @luisferd3319
    @luisferd33197 ай бұрын

    I’ve been looking for a video like this forever! Rick, you have never disappointed us

  • @paul_bliven
    @paul_bliven7 ай бұрын

    To me the actual SSL G made the highs less brittle, still really present but nicer (I don't know how to explain it). The Chandler seemed to pump a bit more, sounding more heavily compressed, at least on that last pass where you were comparing all of them in a row. All of the bus compression, including the digital, made the mix's mids seem to get more balanced and smooshed together the entire mix so that the transients were less loud and the attacks were fatter. But yes, it still is a bit of cork sniffing. The average listener will probably have a hard time discerning this, since as an audio mixer I know the sound of compression.

  • @EirikHasselberg

    @EirikHasselberg

    7 ай бұрын

    Word!

  • @qfz2112
    @qfz21127 ай бұрын

    I think KZread compression may have annihilated all the subleties of these mixes, cause they all sound veeeery similar to me. Much more similar than the mixes I've done myself when I was comparing buss compressors.

  • @LodvarDude

    @LodvarDude

    7 ай бұрын

    Thats a good point. Also, pro mixers tend to run these compressors less hot and way more subtle than non-pros do. It's more about tone than actual comression for them, especially at that point in the mix. I think that, and that we have to deal with Tube compression makes it hard to hear the subtleties.

  • @Jeroen_K

    @Jeroen_K

    7 ай бұрын

    That might be true, but also quite relevant, because most music is listened to through streaming services. I experienced the biggest difference between no bus comp and the other clips in my listening environment. Beyond that I have to admit my ears aren't trained enough to a) know what to focus on and b) notice a difference.

  • @DamonBates

    @DamonBates

    7 ай бұрын

    This. I started my career in a 24 track NYC studio...massive klipsch monitors, 24 track studer revox machine...life long musician...I struggled to hear the diff over KZread. Oh, l listening on Mackie HR824 monitors. Like my ears, they're not awesome but they don't suck.

  • @bgrichting

    @bgrichting

    7 ай бұрын

    So glad I'm not the only one, was starting to question my hearing abilities and see a doctor ;-)

  • @silviopimentel7247
    @silviopimentel72477 ай бұрын

    Please more content like this. Deffinitly hear the difference. Amazing

  • @LloydMajor
    @LloydMajor13 күн бұрын

    Thank you for the class!

  • @AaronRogersDr
    @AaronRogersDr7 ай бұрын

    I hear very little difference, It's there, but very minimal. If asked based on what I heard, I'd say yes, it's a cork-sniffer situation. However, KZread compression could be squishing the nuance between them down a lot. As an aside, I would love to see a pure-recorded tracks -> mixed process -> mastered process video explaining general ideas for why you use TYPES of plugins/gear (not brands and specific compressors etc as much, just basics of WHY on everything) as I dont really understand where you're supposed to put compressors, limiters, de-essers, eq etc and in which orders/busses.

  • @romestant

    @romestant

    7 ай бұрын

    I think I hear a difference, but I don't really know which I'd prefer. Seems like marginal right now. also youtube compression could be ruining it.

  • @ChrisSchaffer

    @ChrisSchaffer

    7 ай бұрын

    Same - I'm surprised by how tight the band is between the different devices/methods - but there are differences. In my opinion the Chandler ends up feeling the best for this specific track and as mentioned in a comment by @noyolamusic it feels like it specifically does the best on the vocal in the mix. To my ear it's shaving off a tiny bit more high end or simply having rounder peaks/Qs on the top end frequencies that gives it a slightly mellower feel. If it were a different track it might be a different compressor, and it might largely be cork sniffing, but hey, once you get to being able to hear that last 5% of difference it's neat to hear how the selection can matter.

  • @jlrjlrjlr
    @jlrjlrjlr7 ай бұрын

    The real SSL definitely sounds more open compared to the waves version, that was probably the largest difference to me. I would've loved to hear a few more in-the-box comparisons though! That openness that many seek out in hardware can (maybe) be found in some more recent plugins, especially brainworx's TMT stuff in my opinion. I'd like to see that be put to the test!

  • @ChrisSchaffer

    @ChrisSchaffer

    7 ай бұрын

    I agree, but I'm also amazed by how close the roughly $20 waves version compares to the physical device. There are some differences and I like the physical SSL and the Chandler summing mixer more... but the distance between them is narrower than I would have anticipated.

  • @MichaelCosta_

    @MichaelCosta_

    7 ай бұрын

    Agreed, but the reall SSL is being fed by the Burl, so it's not a fair fight. I wonder how the Waves SSL would sound with the Burl before it? It would require a D/A > A/D loop. On an SSL tangent, I'm not a fan of not using the HPF on the detector and sometimes the auto-repease isn't great. The Waves SSL doesn't have a HPF, so that's that, but I would have lovedf to have heard the hardware SSL with HPF up at 60Hz and the release on a manual 200. Even the attack could come back to 10, but it depends if we are looking for control or bounce. The track was pretty controlled in the raw mix, so I'd be looking for some movement with a slower attack.and quicker manual release.

  • @5150samluis
    @5150samluis7 ай бұрын

    Hi, Rick! First at all, thank you very much for sharing a lot of meaningful practical knowledge with all of us. I really love videos like this and I learn a lot with them. It`s amazing to hear this comparison. The differences are subtle, but they make it clear that each bus compressor has it`s own personality. That's where the magic is. More than hearing, it is possible to feel the differences. For example, the SSL G-Comp's digital emulation makes the sound less dense, and the reverbs become more evident.

  • @Andrew_from_Oz_Vinyl_Landscape
    @Andrew_from_Oz_Vinyl_Landscape7 ай бұрын

    Thx Rick easy to hear the differences , great content !

  • @djmoulton1558
    @djmoulton15587 ай бұрын

    I thought the second one, the one right after no processing, was best. It is hard to judge with so much time and talking separating each example. Perhaps if you switched directly from example to example the differences might be clearer.

  • @TLofHTown
    @TLofHTown7 ай бұрын

    Question for Rick - do you hear as much of a difference once the audio is on KZread as you do in real life?

  • @Richard_Jones

    @Richard_Jones

    7 ай бұрын

    Thanks, wanted to ask the same. My middle aged ears and my laptop's tinny speakers are doing me no favours

  • @delorangeade

    @delorangeade

    7 ай бұрын

    I think, when I upload my own videos, KZread compresses the audio, but I don't know if that is what actually happens.

  • @jeffpereira4767

    @jeffpereira4767

    7 ай бұрын

    I agree that there must be some loss via KZread the differences are subtle to nonexistent.

  • @PrinceWesterburg

    @PrinceWesterburg

    7 ай бұрын

    Ditto! No 24-96 here!

  • @bolillo5013

    @bolillo5013

    7 ай бұрын

    There’s allegedly no audio quality loss (to our ears), according to I think it was Benn Jordan.

  • @paulbonaduce5977
    @paulbonaduce59777 ай бұрын

    Not until you pointed it out. Fantastic information, thank you for what you do day in and day out.

  • @daniel.bouley
    @daniel.bouley7 ай бұрын

    love this kind of video - exercises in subtlety - the Vancouver and TG1 are my favorite!

  • @marshy_moo
    @marshy_moo7 ай бұрын

    This is not a How To video. At all.

  • @supakrunch
    @supakrunch7 ай бұрын

    The Burl B32 Vancouver was the surprise hit for me. Loved the video!

  • @focusonjunta
    @focusonjunta7 ай бұрын

    That UBK-1 thing is GOLD!

  • @aarondunn4493
    @aarondunn44937 ай бұрын

    More please. Definitely hearing a difference. Really love what the burl transformers were doing.

  • @FAMEAcademyNY
    @FAMEAcademyNY6 ай бұрын

    Amazing vocals!!

  • @Pax30001
    @Pax300017 ай бұрын

    Thanks for sharing!

  • @Disciple_Of_Lerxst
    @Disciple_Of_Lerxst7 ай бұрын

    Yes, do more of these!!!

  • @stevendierkes6028
    @stevendierkes60287 ай бұрын

    Love these type of videos!! Wish there was an endless supply of them haha. Thanks Rick!!

  • @brettdavid
    @brettdavid7 ай бұрын

    Love the comparisons - yes do more. What jumped out at me / surprised me was the "amount of space" that was generated between instruments and vocals - could drive a car between them all - fab! The objective compression outcomes of all was clear - however the warmth and clarity of the Analogue compressors demonstrated their power and value in the final mix. Also learnt something about the value of adding compression bus to a stereo out mix.

  • @monstermash4591
    @monstermash45917 ай бұрын

    More vids like this Rick!!! I can definitely hear the differences. Plugin sounded pretty good. All 3 analog comps had different vibes but they all had the air and solidity too.

  • @Funkybassuk
    @Funkybassuk7 ай бұрын

    We need more stuff like this please, Rick. This (and music theory) were how I came to your channel in the first place years ago. I loved the sound of the Burl - and I was surprised how much better the hardware SSL bus compressor sounded compared to the plugin.

  • @onlyforyoutube9783
    @onlyforyoutube97837 ай бұрын

    Would very much love more content like this! Thanks Rick

  • @andrewwest8334
    @andrewwest83347 ай бұрын

    Always a resounding ‘yes, please!’ to more production / engineering vids, Rick!

  • @arronsondrini380
    @arronsondrini3807 ай бұрын

    Definitely hear a difference, they all emphasize something different in the mix. Awesome how the waves ssl gbus actually holds its own. Definitely want to see more thanks Rick

  • @thezombieeconomists7981
    @thezombieeconomists79817 ай бұрын

    I love this kind of content. I'll confess I'm still early in my journey as a mixer and if the compressor name didn't come up I'd not notice any change. I'm very much still trying to learn to hear compression in it's subtlest forms. What I'd tend to do with a video like this is take approximate settings I see on screen into a compressor I'm familiar with and use them on one of my own tracks, that I know well. Then push the settings too hard to try and get a clearer idea of what they're doing. But I'm only now getting to grips with what attack and release do to a kick or a snare, never mind the different textures different compressors can offer. At the very least, videos like this are a lesson in where my ears need to be, especially looking at comments from people who hear it very clearly.

  • @amsedelm
    @amsedelm7 ай бұрын

    I hear massive difference. Love this ep.

  • @tiagofernandessegaty4199
    @tiagofernandessegaty41997 ай бұрын

    Amazed with the Chandler´s sound, very very pleasant.

  • @arinin77
    @arinin777 ай бұрын

    Great tutorial! Thanks a lot!

  • @kosumboy
    @kosumboy5 ай бұрын

    Great explanation, killer track!

  • @Apoplexya
    @Apoplexya7 ай бұрын

    I'm impressed. This was Zen AF. Some might say "how was this a guide on how to use compression in our mixes? You didn't talk about any of that, you just played clips through expensive gear and plugins." Saying "use your ears" wouldn't have been a very long video, and unlike what you actually gave us here, it wouldn't have been helpful. Instead you give us a resource to allow us to pick up on the nuances present in all these different methodologies, where the ability to distinguish between them is what is required to Use Compression on Our Mixes. Delivered to us with the enthusiasm of someone happy to talk to us about the work and how it's done, in under 10 minutes. Thank you. Onto the compression methods and what I took from them. The Burl I felt gave the mix the most "space" or perhaps accentuated the stereo image, but alone it's like "Oops! All Transients" and as a result there's a sense that the mids are missing out on something, even if it's only perceptual. The SSL G-Comp was kinda the opposite, everything felt more "there" but almost to the point where the mix was competing with itself? I was prepared to talk smack about the digital version, but it had more of that mythical "air" in the high end response. The Burl-Chandler combo fared better on the separation, it had warmth but IMO it was pipped out by the UBK-1, because I felt the latter had that too with more top end and a greater sense of headroom. The UBK-1 did what I liked about the Burl, but more "filled out" so that's the winner to me. Cool gear, great video.

  • @NickHintonMusic
    @NickHintonMusic7 ай бұрын

    great song, very nice production

  • @KitBasher1
    @KitBasher17 ай бұрын

    Definitely a yes on more Contant like this!!! I have been obsessed with compression and how to use it both live and in the studio ever since I purchased ( in the 90s) a trace Elliot bass amp with dual compression - it was a total game changer! In fact I have Ashdown’s petal version of the dual compressor and quite often I take it to the studio and run through it for a nice clean & even tone

  • @brianmilner5406
    @brianmilner54067 ай бұрын

    Please, more content like this. Great comparison. Thank you.

  • @Cubik303
    @Cubik3037 ай бұрын

    Great video! The Burl is The Miracle Worker for sure, great piece of gear.

  • @tutubeos
    @tutubeos7 ай бұрын

    Yes, more content like this, thank you Rick

  • @juzzybassgrove4354
    @juzzybassgrove43547 ай бұрын

    MORE Content like this please Rick

  • @joelwallace7604
    @joelwallace76047 ай бұрын

    Thanks for this video Rick. If I heard any difference the Burl was the one that shined for me. Seemed to jump to a “warmer tone” that my ears love to hear on recordings. Thanks From the mountains of NC

  • @MrDingDong2
    @MrDingDong27 ай бұрын

    Loved this❤ More please!

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