You do a really good job of explaining things in plain terms. Great channel. Keep them coming.

Thanks for the help! Got my first one with a hades last night after watching. Excited to try it on the course

first time throwing a River Gold - it was there like no problems. Thanks Justin (the guy who gave me the disc)

thank you, clear and concise instructions and demo,

You wouldnt believe how hard it was to find a video this good thank you so much this really helped

@GladiatorDiscGolf

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you! Glad I could help!

@olivervanbeek2347

3 жыл бұрын

Woohoo I got a heart!

@olivervanbeek2347

3 жыл бұрын

Btw do you think the maverick would be a good disc for the hyper flip?

@GladiatorDiscGolf

3 жыл бұрын

@@olivervanbeek2347 Yeah absolutely! Just be careful of the plastic. Lucid X will not flip much to start out.

@olivervanbeek2347

3 жыл бұрын

Gladiator Disc Golf what about the Vandal disc

Just bought a westside discs seer fairway driver. Can't wait to get out on the course and try this shot out. Thanks so much for this informative video. You've earned my subscription!

@GladiatorDiscGolf

4 жыл бұрын

The seer is a great disc! You should be able to hyzerflip that pretty easily! Great disc selection.

Thanks man, can't wait to try it out. Good explanation!

@GladiatorDiscGolf

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks! Let me know how it goes!

Awesome need to try this as soon as possible!!😀

As a sort of a beginner yet in disc golf the D-line TD has proven to be a great hyzerflip disc for anyone who doesn't have a strong arm since the TD only needs a fast release to flip

An Innova Wolf was my first hyzerflip disc. KZread didn't exist when I started playing so I had all drivers for the first few years I played. All of my throws started with anhyzer until I found the Wolf and then I learned to throw properly and basically cut all of my scores in half.

@GladiatorDiscGolf

3 жыл бұрын

The wolf is an amazing flippy midrange!

@tlsimpao

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for mentioning the Wolf! It's one of my favorite discs and straightest flyers! And Gladiator guy, very good presentation in windy conditions! I like how your words were clear without the wind noise hitting your microphone.

THANK YOU just realised that I throw one of my discs always with hyzerflip😂

Thank you, notice you keep your chest over your toes the whole time which helps keep everything in line with that disc. Makes it a lot harder to angle that disc anywhere but down

great video thank you!

I'm much more comfortable throwing straight discs straight for straight shots than hyzerflips, generally when I try to hyzerflip I put too much angle and/or throw them way up in the air. Throwing high speed drivers on hyzer angle to get that long glidey hyzer turn works pretty decently for me though.

@JBSK8SFTW

2 жыл бұрын

Throw a disc with a lot of turn and it will hyzer flip itself kind of why i don’t understand trying to put your own angle on it when you can just buy the proper disc for the throw a trasher or tern will hyzerflip on its own with a flat throw

Good video, although I only saw one true hyzer flip. The others were generating enough speed and spin to take full advantage of the turn of an under stable disc. I'd consider all the throws other than the last push hyzers.

Great video!!! Not much on this. I throw side arm and do a HF every time. I use an over stable disc Defender usually or a fireball. Glad to finally find a video on how I throw thanks!!!

Legendary throw

thanks, good tips 👏🏻

@GladiatorDiscGolf

Жыл бұрын

Happy to help!

Thanks bro this help me much👍

thank u vary much!!

Thanks for the great information. What about wind? With no wind it would fly good. But what about a headwind or tailwind? Thanks.

@smashino

4 жыл бұрын

In a headwind all discs flip much easier. And in a tailwind the opposite is true.

Subscribed! I can only throw the HF and I use a Defender # 13 5 0 3 or a Fireball also a 0 i believe.

@ralphpayton9190

3 жыл бұрын

Not a lot of talk on this subject and I’ve never seen it done just get tired of people asking how I do that. It’s how I’ve thrown from day one. I didn’t think it was special.

I find that when throwing a hyzer flip with something that would normally turn and burn, to prevent the burn and get a nice straight hyzer flip u simply throw the disc as a touch shot hyzer flip. You'll see a lot of pros do this with a forehand flick when they dont have a whole lot of room to throw in order to get outta trouble👍

5:15 when he starts throwing the hyzerflip

Was excited when I saw this video but I was hoping you would actually tell more how much hyzer angle you want to put on the disc. A little bit or a lot🤔 I have trouble keeping an angle throughout the reach back to throw so would’ve been nice to have tips on that too

@GladiatorDiscGolf

3 жыл бұрын

There's no definitive angle for EVERY disc. It all depends on the stability of the disc (it's original flight path and how well it has been beat in). If you are throwing a SUPER flippy disc, you can throw it with more hyzer angle. A more stable discs will require less hyzer angle. It all depends on the type of shot you need and the disc you are throwing; hence, why I can't tell you the exact angle you need to throw. Hope that makes sense!

Good video...didn't learn how to throw one from this video except at the end you mention putting the disc on a hyzer line...maybe do an update where you show how to actually throw one like body position, the actual angle etc...otherwise nice vid

@GladiatorDiscGolf

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for honest review! I will have to work on that.

Is this that field across from Alex clarke? It really looks like it lol, I love going over there and just doing field work. Thanks for the helpful video!

@GladiatorDiscGolf

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, it is! Hope the training session went well!

you do a good job explaining this but please demo the shot at the beginning of the video so it makes sense when you explain it

@GladiatorDiscGolf

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the feedback!

You mention that in ultimate frisbee, the hyzer flip is used to add distance. Does this suggest the hyzer flip is also useful to increase distance with under stable disks? I just read your response to a similar question posted earlier. Thanks much!

@GladiatorDiscGolf

3 жыл бұрын

It can certainly help depending on the stability of the disc. A really US disc will turn into a roller when thrown flat, so to get more air distance, you would have to throw it on hyzer so it flips up and glides.

I’m still a noobie- playing 2months- and trying make sense of of the relationship of each rating plus disc weight. When you say use a disc with more turn, like -2 or -3, is that an absolute or is it relative to speed and/or glide? For instance, if I want a hyzer flip mid and a hyzer flip driver, will they both be -3 turn even though one is 5 speed and one is 11 speed. Hope that makes sense. Seems like one has to buy a lot of disc to try to get the right ones.

@GladiatorDiscGolf

4 жыл бұрын

Great question! There is a lot of confusion about this stuff. I promise you will learn it. It is easier to hyzerflip a midrange than a driver because of the slower speed. The speed of a disc is relative to the power you need to throw it. An 11 speed will fly much faster than a 5 speed, but it needs significantly more power to get it up to speed. Since you are brand new to the sport, I would recommend not throwing anything faster than a 7 speed for the first few months. Really learn how to throw putters and mids on all angles. Eventually, you will be able to throw faster discs and will be able to hyzerflip an 11 speed.

@filipcza

3 жыл бұрын

It's all about relationship between 3 variables: 1. How fast you throw the disc - More speed you put into the throw, the more the disc will turn over. 2. How understable the disc is - More understable, the easier it will turn over. 3. How much hyzer angel you use. So regardless of the disc, you have to balance these 3 things just right to get the disc to flip up and fly straight. So this basically means that you just have to try different discs so that you will find the right combination and then everything just "clicks". When it does click, you will get the most beautiful and very useful tool to this game.

@drewg3087

2 жыл бұрын

@@GladiatorDiscGolf thanks for explaining. This helps another newbie so much!

@GladiatorDiscGolf

2 жыл бұрын

Sure thing!

@justthefacts4965

2 жыл бұрын

This is a great video for understanding the relationship between power and overstability/understability using the science, and explained simply. I have no relationship to the video but hope it helps: kzread.info/dash/bejne/eHiJrNyMZ6a3fLg.html

Hey man what about wind conditions. If the wind is blowing at you can you still throw or is it best if the wind is behind you to throw? Thanks man

@GladiatorDiscGolf

4 жыл бұрын

Good question. If you are in the woods and have to throw through a tunnel, I would still lean on the hyzerflip. With a headwind, you could probably get away with hyzering a more OS stable disc than normal since the headwind is going to make it flip up more. In a tailwind, I would hyzer a more US disc than normal since the tailwind is going to make the disc fly more stable than normal. In this second situation, the US disc would counteract the tailwind and ideally you would still have a straight shot. Now, this is all in a perfect world where a golfer knows his or her discs super well and perfectly executes the shot. Remember, the purpose of the hyzerflip is to throw a straight shot with little lateral movement. Therefore, the disc choice should reflect any wind change.

Only 1 throw actually hyzer flipped

I only have innova champion discs and have been playing for a couple of months, I can just about get some turn on a 175 destroyer, the wraith is a bit easier and glides futher, and I have a boss that is so over stable I can't really figure out what to do with it. The katana seems to be the easiest to get a long way. Not sure I can hyzer flip any of those but as a long time ultimate player it is interesting to see how differently discs can fly. What situations would the boss be useful in that line up? I guess just knifing high hyzers that stab into the ground?

@GladiatorDiscGolf

4 жыл бұрын

Good question! Initially, I have to ask how far you can throw each of those discs. Distance drivers should go at least 350' if a player is throwing them off the tee (in my opinion). If a golfer can't get a distance driver to go that far, then they don't really have the arm for it. Once again, this is just my opinion. This relates to hyzer flipping a disc because you need to be able to get a distance driver up to speed in order to make it fly its intended path, let alone hyzerflip. If you have a wraith and destroyer already in the bag, I don't really see a reason to have a boss as well. You can easily manipulate the wraith and destroyer to fly like the boss probably does by simply throwing it on hyzer.

@subspaceanomaly

4 жыл бұрын

@@GladiatorDiscGolf thanks for that. Yes I was thinking the boss felt like it didn't add anything to the others. I guess extreme wind might be a use case. I'm throwing around 400ft. I'm 5'7/8 and slim but have ok technique as have been fairly decent at tennis and a good thrower in ultimate. I like to think I could get the discs closer to 500ft but I guess that takes more than a couple of months throwing. All my discs are pretty over stable which probably doesn't help. Thanks for the reply, great videos, good balance of accessible and technical.

@GladiatorDiscGolf

4 жыл бұрын

Glad I could help! Try some understable drivers. You might be able to reach 500’ with them. A Hades, shryke, or other understable driver should do the trick.

How come when i use a very under-stable disc (-4, -5), and release at the hand position you are using, my disc will just go left almost immediately. It doesn't turn over or go right like I'd expect. Does disc weight have anything to do with it. Im using a 150g disc. Im a newer player and struggle with higher weighted disc. Thanks for any help.

@GladiatorDiscGolf

3 жыл бұрын

Good question! Unfortunately, without seeing a video of you throwing it is hard to say exactly what is happening. Weight definitely helps, so a 150g disc is a great idea. Is it base or premium plastic?

Does the weight of the disc play a factor? I have a starter set Leopard that only weighs 150 oz and if I full send it it tends to flip too much and dive to the left (I'm a lefty) and I feel like I have to lay off on the throw to get a proper hyzer flip.

@fredriksrosell

4 жыл бұрын

Carl Williams a lighter weight disc goes out of your hand with more speed so it turns more. It’s the same as throwing into a head wind or throwing downhill. The speed of the disc relative to the air is what matters. And all things equal, a lighter disc goes out faster.

@Ozzys29

4 жыл бұрын

Carl Williams generally the lighter weight discs will play more understable than the rating of a traditional weight disc. So when doing a Hyzer flip with a blizzard Destroyer (light weight) as compared to a star or champion destroyer, you would need to put more angle (Hyzer) on the release for them to replicate the same shot. When both thrown on the same angle the lighter weight disc will want to turn over more and glide a little more assuming there’s not any wind

@FearTheWeird300

4 жыл бұрын

Different plastics make a difference also. If it is a DX leopard you might be able to use a similar weight in a more durable plastic.

Christopher Walken wants his voice back lol

Do you just bend your wrist or lean forward more?

@GladiatorDiscGolf

4 жыл бұрын

Good question! For all changes of angle, use your torso. So yes, lean forward for hyzer, stand up straight to a slight lean back for a anhyzer. I have a video that goes into more detail and actually addresses how you should step on the tee pad as well!

Why would you want to through a hyzerflip instead of a straight disc? Do you gain distance? What's the upside?

@GladiatorDiscGolf

3 жыл бұрын

A truly straight disc is hard to find. And once you find one and keep throwing it, it will become US. The perk of throwing hyzerflip a let’s you continue to throw dead straight but you can also get late turns in shots, which is super helpful in the woods.

@maxagnewalhagen1152

3 жыл бұрын

@@GladiatorDiscGolf i get it. Thanks for the fast answer! I'll go practice right away

You can use a hyzerflip for max distance too, most pros throw hyzer flips for max distance in open areas.

@GladiatorDiscGolf

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, they definitely! However, pros have such insane power and impeccable form, if they don’t hyzerflip a 12-13 speed disc in a field, it will turn too much. For the average player, throwing a hyzerflip in an open area does not help get distance.

@ffsrekt

3 жыл бұрын

@@GladiatorDiscGolf thats not true, I play advanced and I hyzerflip shrykes to about 425 with minimal effort. Learning the hyzer flip is the gateway to attaining useful long distance, not only to be used in the woods as your video explicitly states. That's going to give people the wrong impressions of when to use it. Its extremely useful to use them on long open fairways, even with understable discs.

@ffsrekt

3 жыл бұрын

@@GladiatorDiscGolf in fact, thats the reason beginners are advised to throw understable discs - most players have a natural hyzer release and the understability helps that. They may already be hyzer flipping unintentionally.

@GladiatorDiscGolf

3 жыл бұрын

Are there times when hyzerflipping a disc in an open area is useful, yes. Where there is a headwind, throwing a hyzerflip is a great idea! However, hyzerflips make a disc more stable. That’s why you use US discs for them. The hyzer and the turn counteract each other to fly straight. An s-curve flight path will go further than a straight flight path. All disc golfers need the turn in a disc to get max distance. If you’re throwing for max distance and you hyzerflip a disc, you are cancelling out some, if not all, of the turn. That’s counterintuitive. When all the pros were doing the max distance challenge during quarantine, not a single one of them threw their discs on hyzer. Garrett Gurthie was throwing katanas way up high and letting them turn and glide.

@ffsrekt

3 жыл бұрын

@@GladiatorDiscGolf high and letting the turn counteract the stall is literally the exact same principal regarding aerodynamics as throwing a hyzerflip for distance. Every single pro throws their discs on hyzer out of their hand for distance. All of their longest bombs are hyzerflips or high stall turnovers to counteract the turn. Throwing a disc on a hyzer flip does not make the disc more stable. You can't alter the stability of a disc. Its either stable or not. The fact is that any beginner throwing an understable disc on a hyzer flip to turnover line for a full s curve will get more distance than if they threw an understable, straight, or overstable disc on a flat line.

Why not use a hyzer flip in an open field? I thought it would allow for max distance with that type of shot?

@kmunro250

4 жыл бұрын

That was my thought as well, give that extra glide, instead of pure hyzer.

@peterroessler2469

4 жыл бұрын

My experience is that in an open field the disc is more likely to have to fight through wind. I sometimes have trouble with my hyzer flip shots turning into rollers, especially with a headwind. It can work, but there is much more randomness to have a successful shot.

@kmunro250

4 жыл бұрын

@@peterroessler2469 for a rhbh into a head wind, you use a more over stable disc that won't flip over on you and turn to a roller. Then depending if it's a left to right head wind, or a right to left head wind, would again determine the stability of the disc you choose. I say this, as my home course is very windy. It has a mixture of wooded holes and wide open. So it may end up with what you're used to, or comfortable with

@GladiatorDiscGolf

4 жыл бұрын

Good question! When throwing a hyzerflip, you are making a disc fly more overstable than it normally does. That’s why you want to use a flippy disc. The turn will balance out the hyzer and the disc will then fly straight. It’s for this reason that you wouldn’t normally throw a hyzerflip in an open field. For maximum distance, you want the disc to do an S-Curve. That’s why so many distance drivers turn and then fade. It provides maximum distance. For example, a destroyer thrown flat will fly further than a destroyer on a hyzer when the same person throws both shots. The hyzerflip provides more accuracy in wooded courses and sacrifices some distance, where as on the open fields where accuracy is not as important, you can really rip a disc on a flat line to get maximum distance.

@kimmomatikainen1843

4 жыл бұрын

@@GladiatorDiscGolf This is incorrect. If you look at any distance competitions or one mile challenges, you can see that Simon, Oskari, Thomas G etc throws hyzer flips. Hyzer shot starts from lower so you get more big muscles working in on a hyzer angle. Quite many players throws their long distance throws on open hole as a hyzerflip, but most prefers flex shots. It is just that flex shots are thrown with overstable discs so they are more dependable. You can depend on the fade even in windy conditions. You can see in distance competitions that quite often throws fail, especially in wind, because understable discs don't forgive wrong angles. Hyzerflip flight is an S-line. It starts as a hyzer and then turns over and fades at the end. Hyzerflip doesn't mean that there is no fade at the end. In the woods hyzerflip is used, because with control it flips to flat and flies straight. Hyzerflip can have a straight flight, it can have an S-flight and it can have all anhyzer flight depending on how understable disc you use. You can check e.g. distance competition LVC (Oskari Vikström vs. Thomas Gilbert) and Simon's 1 mile challenge.

I can hyzer flip some 175g distance driver brand new with - 1 or even 0

@GladiatorDiscGolf

4 жыл бұрын

That’s awesome! What’s your go to hyzerflip distance driver?

@JDGment

3 жыл бұрын

Gladiator Disc Golf *crickets*

How far did you throw them

You explained why not so much how tho

fwip

Me watching this: : me relaising i have +1 disc Goodbye hyzers

@GladiatorDiscGolf

3 жыл бұрын

Hahaha it’s all good! This is the perfect excuse to buy a new disc!

@Anton05109

3 жыл бұрын

@@GladiatorDiscGolf yeah

Be alot better on the throwing part if the video quality was better. After like 2 seconds of throwing it the disc just dissappears until it hits the ground. Hard to see the actual flip

Local Route...get all my gear from them...

FARTHER*

None of those really flip over, or are on that much of a hyzer.

@GladiatorDiscGolf

4 жыл бұрын

The degree of hyzer necessary depends on the turn of the disc, how beat in it is, and the golfer's arm speed. Also, if you throw a disc with too much hyzer, you defeat the purpose of a hyzerflip. That's why it is important to learn a disc and throw it on different degrees of hyzer to find the right angle to counterbalance the turn.

@obhmusic

4 жыл бұрын

hyzerflip does not mean "flip over". That's a turn over, or flex.

@Ketoswammy

3 жыл бұрын

I’m on older guy, been playing a lot for ten years or so, still can’t throw all that far, or do all the cool shots you guys are talking about though. Some stuff is starting to click, I probably need more understable discs. I think I can kinda do this with a lighter Valkyrie. Last night I threw one 20% farther than ever. I love this sport, and like to watch all sorts of technique videos when Im not throwing. 😀 Thanks for your help, good channel.

@obhmusic

3 жыл бұрын

@@Ketoswammy You should do some testing with lower weights.. or as you said more understable discs. I love throwing stable to overstable discs below 170grams!

@Ketoswammy

3 жыл бұрын

Hodnisguitar - Sounds good, thanks. Yeah, my bag still only has two lighter weight disc-the Valkyrie I mentioned is just 158g- and they are definitely my favorites. They seem to be a bit harder to find, I need to break down and order a bunch online. I really didn’t pay much attention to the disc weight before. Discs are so unique bc it’s not just the mold, but plastic, weight, and wear.

instructions were great, the throws werent

OK, you explained *what* it is, but you didn’t teach *how* to do it.

@GladiatorDiscGolf

3 жыл бұрын

I disagree. I explained that to throw a hyzerflip, you need to throw a flippy disc on hyzer because the turn of the disc will make it flip up to flat.

@GladiatorDiscGolf

3 жыл бұрын

Does that make sense? If not, what can I clarify for you?

@lisafoxlove

3 жыл бұрын

@@GladiatorDiscGolf what is a hyzer angle? Do you hold it different, is it wrist angle or release point? I saw you mentioned you change angles with your torso... What does that look like? Slow motion or just an exaggerated slow walk through would be helpful.

@PassengerInMortality

3 жыл бұрын

@@GladiatorDiscGolf After watching others’ videos on this topic and coming back to watch yours again, there’s no discussion on upper torso angle.

@GladiatorDiscGolf

3 жыл бұрын

@@lisafoxlove Sorry for the delay! To answer your question here, yes, you do hold the disc on a different angle. When throwing a hyzer, the outside of the disc (the part of the rim furthest from you) is pointed towards the ground. The best way to change this angle and consistently control it is to lean forward/bend at your waist. If you notice in my slow motion clips at the end of the video, I am leaning slightly forward on each throw. I hope this helps! Let me know if you have other questions!

5 plus minutes of bs talking before he gets to actually throwing. Disliked video and blocked the channel