How to test a power window switch/motor (1985-2001 Toyota)

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1992 Toyota Camry Power Window Troubleshooting.
The testing procedure shown in this video can be applied to any reverse polarity DC electric motor. This car has an Auto Down power window circuit that is used on many different models.
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  • @shanebrunette4399
    @shanebrunette43997 жыл бұрын

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  • @ScannerDanner

    @ScannerDanner

    7 жыл бұрын

    Through my website at www.scannerdanner.com It is available as an eBook or paper book. Thank you!

  • @smokelikeahippi4538

    @smokelikeahippi4538

    7 жыл бұрын

    ScannerDanner I am having s major issue with my 2000 blazer. I'd appreciate it if you'd contact me by email. my email is louievilleslugger95@gmail.com I just need help troubleshooting. any advice would be greatly appreciated

  • @ScannerDanner

    @ScannerDanner

    7 жыл бұрын

    I'm having trouble keeping up with these types of requests. It is becoming more and more difficult to answer questions here. I have 90,000 people asking me for help now. So I have created a forum to help you guys better. It is free to join and we can exchange pictures, wiring diagrams and waveforms if needed to help guide you through the process of troubleshooting your vehicle. Thank you so much! Hope to see you there. Paul Danner (ScannerDanner) www.scannerdanner.com/forum/post-your-repair-questions-here.html

  • @ironmike742

    @ironmike742

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@ScannerDanner that's what you get when you're a problem solver. I work at a Ford dealership and have 26 years in the field. My phone rings off the hook from people needing help. I always try to pay it forward and help because without a lot of people's help I wouldn't be where I am today but sometimes it becomes overwhelming. It's a double edged sword but the good Lord will never give us more than we can handle.

  • @ironmike742

    @ironmike742

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@ScannerDanner also when I am unsure of the voltage reading on a window circuit since I have the master window switch right there in my hand I'll test a working circuit from another window. Testing a known good one is something you teach and preach all the time. I have learned alot from you sir. We are a dying breed. A high percentage of TECHNICIANS in the field are parts changers. Keep up the good work and just know that you are appreciated.

  • @Tech-28
    @Tech-2810 ай бұрын

    Danner your working on one of the most reliable automobiles ever manufactured.

  • @joeandgod1
    @joeandgod17 жыл бұрын

    I've used the power probe, the load pro, etc... After everything, nothing beats the simplicity and efficiency of the mighty "TEST LIGHT".

  • @ScannerDanner

    @ScannerDanner

    7 жыл бұрын

    agree, the test light would have been my tool of choice had it not been for the fact that I needed to manually get that window up.

  • @AGuysGarage

    @AGuysGarage

    7 жыл бұрын

    Couldn't you use a DMM and just leave everything hooked up one way? When it reverses it will just read negative voltage. Easy peezy. Unless i am missing something. /shrug, love my fluke dmm with super sharp spear you in the eyeball probes

  • @joeandgod1

    @joeandgod1

    7 жыл бұрын

    I think that's another way of doing it. The only problem with the volt meter is that it doesn't "load" the circuit like the test light does. So the test light checks for ground and power and loads the circuit at the same time.

  • @AGuysGarage

    @AGuysGarage

    7 жыл бұрын

    keep the motor in circuit and it supplies the load. meter just tells you if there is Voltage in both directions. Sort of a quick and dirty test. If it goes down, u get 12V so up without changing anything should be -12v because the grounds swap. if it remains 0 the motor is good because it went down, only thing left is switch / solder on the switch board. or a broken wire for up. or the module itself /shrug to each their own. once one gets the feel for it, it is shocking what you can find out just with a simple diode check setting. "use it as a short detector" I have been in electronics repair for a very long time, i guess i am just really comfy with the DMM plus it is relatively cheap compared to fancy stuff. the window circuit on my pathfinder is a bit strange, when you close the switch it grounds on a different module entirely. pretty simple really, hit the button, completes circuit and window moves. used it to install my "momentary switch 2 wire door popper" never call the locksmith again or worry about a magnetic key box letting go when u hit a pot hole or a good bump.

  • @KingBaconMonger
    @KingBaconMonger6 ай бұрын

    Dang!! I was trying to figure out on a 2013 CRV: Master window switch? Passenger window switch? Motor? Regulator? I did what you said, I yanked the button on the master switch up and down, nothing, did it again, did it again, mashed it down - THE WINDOW MOVED. It's something with the master window switch. I can replace that, no problem. YOU ARE A GENIUS! Thank you, ScannerDanner!

  • @wyattoneable
    @wyattoneable7 жыл бұрын

    The detail you include in your videos are well appreciated. It helps me understand more about circuit design.

  • @Tom.N
    @Tom.N7 жыл бұрын

    Pete seems to be a very capable and busy mechanic, we are lucky he lets you film you working there.. Cheers to Pete.

  • @megastick9324

    @megastick9324

    3 жыл бұрын

    Looks to me like he is filming himself.

  • @madmotorrepair1748
    @madmotorrepair17487 жыл бұрын

    Thanks Paul, much appreciated dedication here, showing how to use a power probe and the directions it can take you, I will keep this in mind!

  • @8953147
    @89531477 жыл бұрын

    Great explanation, with wire diagram, of reverse polarity switches and switch dissection! DeOx-it works great for cleaning and lubing electrical contacts.

  • @BigDog50001
    @BigDog500017 жыл бұрын

    Checking window master switches, especially ones with integrated modules, can be tricky with a Power Probe. Nice video Paul.

  • @zenSutherland
    @zenSutherland3 жыл бұрын

    Seriously great work! I have the same problem, and saw what a snarl taking the switch assembly apart (i'm famous for taking things apart and watching springs fly out and jumping into cracks in the universe) so I'm ordering a new switch assembly. Your explanations are very helpful!

  • @mrghiax
    @mrghiax7 жыл бұрын

    Nice video Paul. As you openly admit - very nearly ended up in the reject bin but personally speaking I'm pleased it didn't. I very much doubt you are the first to be caught out using a new tool. Full credit for owning up to your rare mistakes and learning from them.

  • @ScannerDanner

    @ScannerDanner

    7 жыл бұрын

    Thanks friend. I appreciate you guys so much

  • @AGuysGarage
    @AGuysGarage7 жыл бұрын

    Good Video Mr. Danner, thanks for posting. I like when u post your misunderstandings or stuff you say that isn't entirely accurate, shows the Human side of Utubers, and you are one of the better ones sir. Much Respect and Many Thanks to You. Hats off.

  • @Ottonic6
    @Ottonic64 жыл бұрын

    I am currently diagnosing a 1992 4 Runner drivers window that won't go up, but anyway, looking at the FSM Electrical "System Outline" which explains the operation of the different controls in the master switch it explains that in auto down 12v is sent to the motor while at the same time is also sent to a solenoid (inside the little "Solid State" box on the Mitchell diag. that doesn't show anything) which locks the switch in the down position and when the motor hits its down limit increases the current through the solenoid which disengages it along with the switch... There's a lot more going on with 8 resistors,4 diodes (1 zener), a couple caps etc... I know that won't play a part in my diagnosis, but what you explained really helped me out in direction when I attempt to fix my problem. Thank you for your time and expertise.

  • @baxrok2.
    @baxrok2.7 жыл бұрын

    Excellent presentation Paul. Good lessons in a couple of areas. Thanks! Oh, and thanks Pete for making this possible.

  • @pierretessier1682
    @pierretessier16824 жыл бұрын

    you're very very patient.The most important is that you knew what was the problem.Very very good troubleshooting my friend!

  • @misterhandy5121
    @misterhandy51215 жыл бұрын

    freaking awesome !!!!! another one from a real teacher , not like these other fake mechanics on you KZread that are just part changers without even knowing what the actual issue is!!!!! Paul For President!!!

  • @TerryThrower-ci8ek
    @TerryThrower-ci8ek8 ай бұрын

    Thank you so much for your time explaining how this switch works, it really makes sense now.

  • @pinpointautomotiverepair1592
    @pinpointautomotiverepair15927 жыл бұрын

    Great video on this window circuit. I am also a huge fan of what you did with the diagram, using paint to display voltage measurements through different portions of the troubleshooting. Makes for a very clear and understandable procedure! Tons of great information here to be gained on this system, as well as lessons that can apply easily to others. Wonderful video as always!

  • @throttlebottle5906
    @throttlebottle59067 жыл бұрын

    "trying to do a real quick one here guys" noticed it's 44 minutes of video about the same time I heard it, and that caused a good chuckle :))

  • @ScannerDanner

    @ScannerDanner

    7 жыл бұрын

    Lol it would have been if I wasn't such a dumbass in my original explanation of what was going on with the switch and my power probe readings.

  • @2094Ryan
    @2094Ryan7 жыл бұрын

    Great vid buddy, I am glad to see the power probe video, it's something I have in my box but never use as am scared of frying something lol but interested in learning how to use it properly. Please do a power probe video. And am glad you shared it outcome with us lol.

  • @mikeanderson1994
    @mikeanderson19947 жыл бұрын

    man ur amazing i watch all ur videos and ur the best i liked scotty kilmer and eric the car guy i mean u 3 are the best in youtube keep up the good work best regards to all

  • @theASEtech
    @theASEtech7 жыл бұрын

    thank you for your videos and for the time you spend in doing and explaining the best thank you

  • @stevenhzoll7057
    @stevenhzoll70577 жыл бұрын

    I could never wrap my head around a Power Probe and I know how they allow you to supply batt+ and - to the circuit under test . Yes the incandescent test light (scope on a rope SMA) is still my go to tool and if you know the current carrying capability of the circuit a sealed beam headlight makes a nice load. I agree that the auto down feature cannot function as wired in the Mitchel diagram. Keep up the great work between you, Eric O and Ivan I might just start to figure some of this stuff out Thanks

  • @ScannerDanner

    @ScannerDanner

    7 жыл бұрын

    Nice, thank you! I thought maybe I was going crazy with that diagram.

  • @Airman..
    @Airman..7 жыл бұрын

    Another quality diagnostic job

  • @heyitschinoable
    @heyitschinoable6 жыл бұрын

    A harbor freight brass brush that I have . I wanted to throw it at the video so u can use it lol it would have been great for cleaning those contacts! Nice video as always brother! You’re a master!

  • @patrickliverpool6487
    @patrickliverpool6487 Жыл бұрын

    Great job Paul you are amazed

  • @tecnaman9097
    @tecnaman90977 жыл бұрын

    Paul from my experience attempting to fix taxi cab window switches over many years it just ain't worth the trouble.! I used to bodger them using a points file (remember them) to clean the contacts but it always failed. Only did this if I didn't have one to go. Man, I know what you mean when you say patience is needed!

  • @rhkips
    @rhkips7 жыл бұрын

    No doubt Pete's a sharp cookie! I just worry that I see so many cars you troubleshoot there with dead batteries. Does Pete feed off DC electricity, and just him being around drains all the nearby batteries? ;D Great video, Paul! The confusion with the Power Probe turned into an excellent teaching opportunity for you, and an excellent learning opportunity for us. Total win! Though, you really should carry around a sheet of 120-grit sandpaper in your glovebox; works great for cleaning dead contacts and a myriad of other things! 120-grit is the WD-40 of sandpaper. :D

  • @ScannerDanner

    @ScannerDanner

    7 жыл бұрын

    I'm thinking the same thing! I always have a dead battery when I'm down there. Thanks for the positive reinforcement. I hesitated to upload this video. And thanks for the tips!

  • @markchidester6239

    @markchidester6239

    7 жыл бұрын

    rhkips Maybe Paul needs to get there before lunch time, lol! Great video!

  • @playuhhaytuh5633
    @playuhhaytuh56333 жыл бұрын

    Hey man, you make very helpful videos Keep it up 👍🏽

  • @leifsimmons2464
    @leifsimmons24647 жыл бұрын

    I believe the resistor is a current sense resistor. When the motor stalls, current will increase and the voltage drop over the resistor will increase. The "solid state" box in your diagram will be able to detect the voltage difference between "true" ground and motor ground and stop feeding power to the motor.

  • @greygoosemafia
    @greygoosemafia7 жыл бұрын

    in my 99 ram i did that method. switch it back n fourth and it works now.

  • @kennethnichols7263
    @kennethnichols72637 жыл бұрын

    Great video. I don't have a schematic but what I would expect for the auto down is a self latching circuit. In the old days a relay was used and the switch side of the relay would be put in parallel with the switch. The coil for the relay would be put on the unpowered side of the switch to ground. Once the switch is closed the relay closes its switch side maintaining the voltage on the other side of the switch to keep the relay closed. The latch is now in effect. Now with the window motor this voltage should be enough until the motor hits it end of travel and the motor stalls. When the motor is moving a back emf (electro-motive force) is generated which is proportional to the speed of the motor. This is because all D.C. Motors are also generators. At the end of travel the voltage will disappear and the coil will loose its power and the relay will open delatching the circuit. Now these days the relay may have some kind of transistor circuit to replace the relay. By the way, multiple grounds and power pins may be put on a circuit board due to the limited current carrying capacity of the connector pins. The traces on the board or power/ground planes can be beefed up to carry high currents but there is a spec on the pins which is the limiting factor.

  • @Raulachu
    @Raulachu2 жыл бұрын

    Solid diagnostic skills mah friend 😎👍

  • @theadventuresofjavier8698
    @theadventuresofjavier86987 жыл бұрын

    hey Paul ,I know everyone gives you props all the time but I wanted to say I really do appreciate the time you invest in me personally.yes me.love all your videos.when I felt my professional auto tech career was stalling and becoming stagnant I found your videos.they started a fire inside and makes me want to get deeper into auto repair more than just being an r and r guy.God bless you always my brother in Christ.sorry for bein long winded.

  • @ScannerDanner

    @ScannerDanner

    7 жыл бұрын

    But I still need to hear this. It keeps me motivated. Thank you so much my brother.

  • @D_J_R_S

    @D_J_R_S

    7 жыл бұрын

    ScannerDanner exactly the same story for me. You and Schrödinger's Wrench(that's the channels name, right?) completely flipped my mentality towards the profession that I had grown tired of. I'm forever thankful, because that fire has crept over to other parts of learning in my life. To you, I bow down.

  • @ScannerDannerPremium

    @ScannerDannerPremium

    7 жыл бұрын

    Thank you my friend

  • @aussiefirestorm

    @aussiefirestorm

    7 жыл бұрын

    Second and/or third the above comments. You have made me want to be a better mechanic, it is better to be good rather than lucky.

  • @carlosvaldez3874
    @carlosvaldez38745 жыл бұрын

    Hi, good video, i have installed 2 power windows to my manual windows. Passenger and rear behind passenger. Have not installed the driver side with master switch, my question is, does it need master switch on driver side installed in order for all the other windows to work?

  • @lovetolearn5253
    @lovetolearn52537 жыл бұрын

    pp4 has a continuity test to check the Integrity of the switch great videos but like offer viewer stated the pp4 does have a lot of capabilities I don't even understand half but learning it's fun to learn

  • @robertmedina6875
    @robertmedina68757 жыл бұрын

    GREAT JOB PETER & DANNER!!

  • @ozzstars_cars
    @ozzstars_cars7 жыл бұрын

    With all the rain and melted snow water that door lock/window switches get it interesting they don't short out sooner than later. Manufacturers don't seem to make door switches water tight

  • @swlmmrtn
    @swlmmrtn6 жыл бұрын

    I have seen these problems so many times in my time working on cars. Everyone should really look into taking the switch apart and getting to know the contacts inside "rocker" switch. They get built up with so much dust and gunk that they simply don't make contact. The down contacts are completely different than the up contacts inside the physical switch itself. I'll bet I've cleaned upwards of 50-60 switches for people over the years and got their windows back to perfect working order with simply contact cleaner, small brush, (sometimes toothbrushes work best), and some dielectric grease. Give it a shot on a known bad switch if a junk pile, you'll be amazed how well it works and how little effort it really takes. Saves money and customers LOVE when you can fix the little things instead of replacing.

  • @jackshea6937
    @jackshea6937 Жыл бұрын

    You've motivated me to buy a new $29 switch module and hope for the best: trouble-shooting is god's work - clearly.

  • @cwj9202
    @cwj92027 жыл бұрын

    I would assume the solid state device serves as an electronic latching device during the auto down function, and so that part would not be displayed in the electrical schematic. I prefer to utilize my DVOM, not the test light, to check the loaded voltage readings and see the loaded ground circuit voltage rise. Good video as always. Keep up the great work.

  • @kirkabrahamson1148
    @kirkabrahamson11487 жыл бұрын

    Great content again. Must be improving Paul, up to 10 haters now lol. Unfortunately most people wouldnt want to pay for a thorough diagnosis on a vehicle of that vintage. Just throw in a 2nd hand switch and hope for the best, but we appreciate the time you put in to teach. The coverage of all aspects of the diagnosis was well detailed mate.

  • @ScannerDanner

    @ScannerDanner

    7 жыл бұрын

    Thanks so much Kirk! This one was difficult to put together

  • @josepeixoto3384

    @josepeixoto3384

    6 жыл бұрын

    Not really! you cannot do that (use a replacement part) every time,every day! and... use a used one? might be also bad! unless you have in the shop an exact alike car, (almost impossible in a generic shop). Unfortunately,you must be able to troubleshoot.

  • @stigonutube
    @stigonutube7 жыл бұрын

    yeah i had this problem on a 1997 nissan last year i found circuit complicated to figure out, lucky i tracked it down to dirt in the switch contacts and after a clean was working again.

  • @paulmeehan1978
    @paulmeehan19787 жыл бұрын

    thanks Pete for the video nice of you to do that

  • @jaakkomarin1789
    @jaakkomarin17896 жыл бұрын

    Could the resistor inside the switch be a shunt resistor for the autodown solid state circuit to be able to measure current flow of the switch via voltage drop across the resistor?

  • @roadkill5333
    @roadkill53337 жыл бұрын

    I've read the schematics, good ones, bad ones, and I still can't figure them out. If someone could tell me once how the auto-down feature operates, I could probably do a little better, but..... I e also tried to diagnose a power window switch from a '96 GM pickup passenger side. I finally just left the switch unplugged, as no one wanted to spend the money on a new switch, and the salvage yards didn't want to warranty the used ones. $40 whether it worked or not. So, we just left it unplugged, as it wouldn't operate correctly from either side, but operated from the drivers side correctly, with it unplugged. Great vid, thanks! And thank Pete for taking one for the team, props to him for letting you "play around" with the electrical stuff!

  • @ScannerDanner

    @ScannerDanner

    7 жыл бұрын

    I usually can, but not on this one. I am positive there are mistakes in that diagram. There is no way that auto down module needs 3 or 4 different ground wires.

  • @roadkill5333

    @roadkill5333

    7 жыл бұрын

    ScannerDanner, I wonder if a different source would show the same diagrams, or if there is something wrong with the factory ones? I discovered a factory issue in a motorcycle factory repair manual (not an aftermarket, Clymer or other brands). Mistakes can be made anywhere up the chain. Perhaps you could look at Ivan's (pine hollow auto diagnostics) favorite go to source. BBB Industries. Maybe their diagrams show the correct info. It's a free, public source, not a pro source. But it's usually very good. Just another tool in your bag!!

  • @johnkaplanian
    @johnkaplanian7 жыл бұрын

    Dear Mr. Paul, maybe sometimes such contacts that resembles old distributors contact points can be cleaned well using sand paper / FYI and thanks you indeed for all these wonderful videos.

  • @nickayivor8432
    @nickayivor84322 жыл бұрын

    Good Evening ScannerDanner take care and have a great day ScannerDanner God bless you ScannerDanner 👍 🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟 Great tutorial thank you 👍 From Nick Ayivor from London England UK 🇬🇧

  • @user-uz7sn7zb3c
    @user-uz7sn7zb3c3 жыл бұрын

    Thank you very very much verygood video👍🙏

  • @little739
    @little7395 жыл бұрын

    Hello, Paul If you didn't get battery voltage in the down position of the red wire, would you still apply 12v to the green wire in the UP position? With perseverance and your guidance, I now understand the diagram and have answered my own question. Thanks for the video.

  • @edwardjames6070
    @edwardjames60707 жыл бұрын

    those switch assemblies are very similar all throughout toyota. I have a 96 land cruiser and an issue arose with the windows. I know that being a 'parts swapper' is not preferred by you, but $10 and an hour and a half of time and I was able to replace the assembly and have it working by using a switch from a 96 four-runner. after investigating the faulty switch I found corrosion at the faulty contact. now I have a spare switch assembly, and more important, I was able to keep the wife happy.

  • @amr-50
    @amr-506 жыл бұрын

    you are genius man

  • @michaelmcdowell8801
    @michaelmcdowell88017 жыл бұрын

    that was a lesson in confusing a apprentice. should have looked at that video several times before posting

  • @alpinewhite
    @alpinewhite7 жыл бұрын

    19:15. In an ideal world, there should be zero resistance between where you're tapping and the car's chassis. But there is small resistance between where you're tapping and the chassis. That resistance is fixed, albeit a very low resistance. Remember Ohm's Law, E=IR (voltage = current x resistance). By allowing more current to flow through that section of wire, the voltage drop across that wire just went up. That's why your voltage went up from .05 to .97 volts.

  • @USA4thewin
    @USA4thewin4 жыл бұрын

    na man awesome I used baby wipes and cue tips my windows is working great again thank you so much for the video.. Note there is a nasty spring for the window lock the square one took me a while to figure that one out and install it properly

  • @nemanjadzombic6101
    @nemanjadzombic61016 жыл бұрын

    On 500 likes statistically there has to be certain number of dislikes. But 31 is a bit to much. I guess people who dislike, they do that because they were thinking this is gonna be simple fix. But whatching it and having difficulties understanding it, make them angry. I can't possibly see any other reason to dislike this video. It would be really interesting to read explanation for hiting dislike button. I like simple solutions but if there is no one, what then? Parts changing - You're definitely on the wrong channel and that's not autor's fault.

  • @nickayivor8432
    @nickayivor84322 жыл бұрын

    SUBSTANTIAL Sir ScannerDanner Thank you 👍 Sir ScannerDanner From Nick Ayivor from London England UK 🇬🇧

  • @superchin2818
    @superchin28185 ай бұрын

    Good work

  • @konquerorx
    @konquerorx6 жыл бұрын

    Mr Paul! Just a question sir. I have a Toyota Camry 1996 equivalent called a Toyota Windom. I'm not sure if it's in the states. Basically it has these frameless windows. Similar to the Subaru's. So when you close it, the window suppose to drop slightly, to shut the door, or open it. I've tried to initialize the windows but that did not work. So I'm unsure how to approach this one. Thanks in advance sir

  • @ScannerDanner

    @ScannerDanner

    6 жыл бұрын

    I do not know my friend. Post it to my forum. I have thousands of members from all over the world. Someone may be able to help you. Thanks! www.scannerdanner.com/forum/post-your-repair-questions-here.html

  • @freddyflores6412
    @freddyflores64127 жыл бұрын

    I always just use a multimeter to diagnose window problems . Just back probe both wires at the same time and then push switch either way . Then look at your voltage reading .

  • @ScannerDanner

    @ScannerDanner

    7 жыл бұрын

    Definitely multiple ways to troubleshoot these. Thanks for the comment.

  • @uptownimports-foreignautor5338
    @uptownimports-foreignautor53387 жыл бұрын

    What software do you use to highlight the circuit? I'd like to have it for my techs so they can highlight circuits.

  • @ScannerDanner

    @ScannerDanner

    7 жыл бұрын

    It is part of my Smart Notebook program for our Smart Boards at the school

  • @alpinewhite
    @alpinewhite7 жыл бұрын

    The way I would've done it would be to put a voltmeter across the green (+) and red (-) wire. In the "up" position, you should read +12volts. In the "down" position, you should read negative 12volts.

  • @jackshea6937

    @jackshea6937

    Жыл бұрын

    Yes! - Why not do it the easy way? Save watching a 44 minute video, (which is great), but speaking for myself, I'd prefer to just get on and fix it - life's too short.

  • @josepeixoto3384

    @josepeixoto3384

    10 ай бұрын

    There is no neg. 12V ; there is ONLY +12V and 0V(ground) but i get what were saying

  • @alpinewhite

    @alpinewhite

    10 ай бұрын

    The voltage you read on the DMM is the voltage of the red wire relative to the black wire. If you switched the red and black wire, you will read a negative voltage.

  • @MrTwisted1977
    @MrTwisted19777 жыл бұрын

    the auto down function is simply a latching relay or a basic transistor curcuit if u think this is difficult try working on cars with can bus systems.these old Toyota circuits are just child's play to the right person so basic and bog standard it's boring at times diagnosing them.anyway scannerdanner is a champ for going through it in such depth especially the new techs.

  • @ScannerDannerPremium

    @ScannerDannerPremium

    7 жыл бұрын

    Thank you but i disagree that CAN bus systems are more complicated. It's just different, same principles apply to testing an output of a power window module on a network.

  • @picoboo5048

    @picoboo5048

    7 жыл бұрын

    ScannerDanner Premium Do you have any videos about diagnosing comm issues?

  • @ScannerDanner

    @ScannerDanner

    7 жыл бұрын

    I have many no com videos from shorted sensors and blown fuses and more recently with the network itself. I have two coming up. Next week on this channel, I will be uploading a no com with the TCM on a 2012 VW Jetta that I filmed with Tommy Wolfe of Positive Lead Diagnostics.

  • @picoboo5048

    @picoboo5048

    7 жыл бұрын

    ScannerDanner ok cool, I've diagnosed network issues before but it would be cool to see how you go about it. Especially with Can systems with Lin buses and all the other protocols I don't remember 😄

  • @BigMac2222
    @BigMac22227 жыл бұрын

    Aw man I was rooting for you too. I've been there with "component" repairs but sometimes it's worse like when you put the switch back in and nothing works now lol.

  • @ScannerDanner

    @ScannerDanner

    7 жыл бұрын

    yeah, it was disappointing that I didn't fix it. I'm sure if I spend more time with it I could have. But at least I was able to show where to clean it for others in the future.

  • @madyoza3061
    @madyoza30615 жыл бұрын

    4 grounds would make sense if all the windows have the same auto feature.(I was confused for a second too when you said that). also what if everyone used the windows simultaneously, you would need 4 ground wires not to burn something out.

  • @gvvq-pi5ml
    @gvvq-pi5ml7 жыл бұрын

    Hi Paul i think the reason when the switch is in the middle it puts and earth on both sides of the motor, it's kind of like a dynamic brake if you will, they used to do it on wiper motors in the UK in the 1970's to stop the momentum of the motor carrying it over the park switch and carry on working when turned off, when the park switch opened it put an earth across the motor stopping it dead...hope that makes sense...with windows i used to put a bulb in place of the motor as they dont worry about polarity if you put a volt meter in place of it of course it would try to go backward on one side and forward on the other...from Fred in England.

  • @josealzurut2956
    @josealzurut2956 Жыл бұрын

    Hi good video, I have the same problem with the driver´s windows (IS there a fusible or relay to check it?. I cleaned all master swithc window

  • @leedress2187
    @leedress21877 жыл бұрын

    brake clean would've cleaned up those contacts.. Just kidding. I always have a can of quick dry contact cleaner around for stuff like this. i think you had further damage away from the contacts though.. . love your thought process though. Keep up the good work!

  • @billyr9840
    @billyr98407 жыл бұрын

    Nice !

  • @jpintrick84
    @jpintrick847 жыл бұрын

    you ever run into a broken wire in the door jam I run into that all the time wear the harness goes into the door the wires Flex a lot and end up breaking inside the casing talk on them a little bit the broken one will stretch just fix that on my Ford Explorer only took 2 days LOL

  • @donaldlee6699
    @donaldlee6699 Жыл бұрын

    My Buick Park Avenue 2002 front driver switch has quit. Power windows. Door locks. And mirror has quit working. I have purchased a ZKZYEE Vehicle Super Probe KM50 to test with. It has been difficult to find anything on the internet about the fuses. I believe the fuse is in the back under the seat? Or under the dash. The Windows quit previously, and the door locks on the driver side. Then, after about (2) two months the light on the switch began flashing. I tried it and it started working again. Now, it has stopped again. And the passenger side has stopped working also? It is difficult to find a specific video for the 2002 Buick Park Avenue. I like your video. I subscribed.

  • @tnamen1307
    @tnamen13075 жыл бұрын

    Sir my car i20 windows motor connector has 6 wires on it. How to get the wires for roll up and down windows?

  • @renatovivanco8002
    @renatovivanco80029 ай бұрын

    I love simple test light

  • @jamesward5721
    @jamesward5721 Жыл бұрын

    The switch is burnt, but it being bad is a red herring - note how much slower the motor was going up - it's intermittently bad itself & that's what fried the switch - the motor needs changing as well. Cleaning it in this case most likely won't work as it will be the sealed plastic gear wheels that are binding & you can't get at them. If you can make the switch work again, swap out that window motor too, or the fix won't last. :-( I was at the identical all morning today.. BTW if people don't have a power probe ( I do) you can run the window motor with a cheapo 12v variable power-supply, just swap the +/- over to go between up & down, it will run the motor no problem, might get you out of a pinch if you have a bad switch & a window that is "stuck" down. In todays case for me, which is identical to that ^^, I will swap out the switch & the window motor for good used ones, because just fixing the switch will only work for a little while till it fries again. Change both. :-)

  • @arcburn3364
    @arcburn33645 жыл бұрын

    I never carried a spit cup for my chewing tobacco in my welding trucks, so I gave my drivers side window switch a workout.

  • @hellomoto8203
    @hellomoto82035 жыл бұрын

    Hey Paul how can you address excessive voltage drop in this situation? Assumed source voltage from the battery is at full charge, would you find yourself chasing wire for excessive resistance, like the door jam?

  • @ScannerDanner

    @ScannerDanner

    5 жыл бұрын

    Give me a time frame to check on your question. Thanks!

  • @hellomoto8203

    @hellomoto8203

    5 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for your quick reply! During this video, I was thinking about what would you do if when applying the load (using the window's switch) you saw 4-5 volts instead of 11-12, or in your case 8-9 because of a strained battery. My thoughts are corrosion at the connector, moisture in the wire at some point perhaps..

  • @user-uj1xg7hb2u
    @user-uj1xg7hb2u6 ай бұрын

    Scanner danner subscriber forever ❤❤❤

  • @throttlebottle5906
    @throttlebottle59067 жыл бұрын

    I'd guess the resistor is there for the "auto" feature to sense motor current, which seems redundant since the grounds go to the "magical solid state circuit" or the diagram is plain wrong/missing other things

  • @joachimjohan1215
    @joachimjohan12155 жыл бұрын

    yeeeeeeeehhhaaaa....... i dont think so.....: "trying to do a real quick one here guys" HAhehh i love it!!

  • @all-about-programming
    @all-about-programming3 жыл бұрын

    You always the best... ...Can you tell me where I can get the best wiring diagram please

  • @theASEtech
    @theASEtech7 жыл бұрын

    Even though Pete is learnig too thanks Pete

  • @jugubantan7740
    @jugubantan77404 жыл бұрын

    Where do I go to get some wiring diagram!

  • @1weirddoe571
    @1weirddoe5716 жыл бұрын

    I smashed the two LEDs on my passenger side switch that illuminates can I solder in some Christmas light LEDs will that be good enough?

  • @ScannerDanner

    @ScannerDanner

    6 жыл бұрын

    :-) not sure

  • @fredflintstone8048
    @fredflintstone80487 жыл бұрын

    I agree that the diagram does not appear to reflect the circuit which holds the power on the window motor to travel all the way down, or all the way up automatically. My guess is that it will be some kind of transistors or FETs in parallel with the manual switchs. It is also my guess that the resistor in the diagram that is more than likely clamped by the diode (notice it's in the circuit with reverse polarity) is the circuit that tells the solid state control when the window has reached the end of the travel. The amount of current through that resistor will increase sharply when the motor reaches the end of the travel creating a voltage drop seen by the controller to turn off the window motors. Typically a diode is used as a clamp to prevent the voltage drop from being too great due to high current draw thus damaging the input that monitors the voltage drop. Regarding the circuit board being damaged, what I believe we're seeing is not burned connections, but instead soldering flux that was not cleaned off. It could indicate an attempted repair in the past, or a rework at the factory due to defect.

  • @ScannerDanner

    @ScannerDanner

    7 жыл бұрын

    Great insight! Thank you. I only mentioned the "burnt" contacts for the untrained eye. That would be the first thing they would see and I wanted to make a point that, that was not what you're looking for. You would be correct, "burnt" was not the right word to use.

  • @fredflintstone8048

    @fredflintstone8048

    7 жыл бұрын

    Oh, and I forgot to mention, great video! I really enjoy the discussions about the voltages found on grounds, loaded and unloaded, and how those things can help us determine a problem. As you point out, the amount of current flowing through a circuit will determine the voltage drop so the more current the higher the voltage will be above ground, or battery negative. The same holds true on the positive side, or really anywhere in the circuit. The perfect wire, or circuit would have zero resistance, but that's never the case. Wires, switches, connectors all provide a little resistance in the circuit and will thus provide a voltage drop proportionate the the amount of resistance, and the amount of current. Ohms law. It's a thinking mans game, and rewarding as well when we understand how it works. We need the money of course, but it's satisfying to work on these things when we come to understand what's going on. Again, thanks for sharing another great video.

  • @robertofkennedy
    @robertofkennedy7 жыл бұрын

    your probe has power feed test and ground driver test it calculates resistance in the circuit and gives you a reading in ohms

  • @selador11
    @selador114 жыл бұрын

    I have this car. I have this problem. Just started watching the vid, hoping to get a solution. Just a remark, first. That auto feature... Is that "auto" light supposed to ALWAYS glow dimly? Mine does. Always. Key on, key off, key completely removed, everything turned off. The light glows dimly, no matter what.

  • @blingmotions6996
    @blingmotions69962 жыл бұрын

    I was checking a control like that one but no doors work no light in the control, only the door lock button work nth else and i fine know broken fuse..plz help

  • @MohammedNovalija
    @MohammedNovalija Жыл бұрын

    I was wondering about the "GREEN" wire you measured. It looked like it was green with some sort coloured spots on it rather than solid gren. Looking at your schematic , there is at least 1 green wire with another colour combined with it as well as a solid green So my thought is you may have measured the wrong wire when testing.

  • @viktorvik1973
    @viktorvik1973Ай бұрын

    nice!

  • @kevinedward1234
    @kevinedward12347 жыл бұрын

    Paul, I have a PP4, if you read the owners manual, it states what the led lights mean. It can be tricky to learn all the features of the PP4.

  • @ScannerDanner

    @ScannerDanner

    7 жыл бұрын

    yes it can for sure.

  • @Jpilgrim30
    @Jpilgrim307 жыл бұрын

    Early 2000 GM trucks are bad about solder joints cracking in the abs control module. I pull those all of the time and resolder them. Easy money all labor.

  • @jamesortega8681
    @jamesortega868111 ай бұрын

    tryin to fix mine too , and mine has 4 grounds as well for the power window master switch

  • @tnamen1307
    @tnamen13075 жыл бұрын

    Sir, could you be specific on Hyundai i20 power motor which has 6 wires?????

  • @ScannerDanner

    @ScannerDanner

    5 жыл бұрын

    Here is a link to get wiring diagrams for your car. eautorepair.adtrk.biz/?a=10817&c=24&p=r&s1= You can get access to the same wiring diagrams I use for an individual car for a month for less than $20

  • @rku840
    @rku8403 жыл бұрын

    I doubt the circuit diagram is complete, where is the thermal switch? I have my camry drive side powered window problem. When going down initially no problem, but when going up a short distance it stops, then I need to wait for few minutes before it can move a little bit up again. To fully close the window it has to stop a few times and each time a few minutes before I can reactivate.

  • @martinguitarhd28
    @martinguitarhd287 жыл бұрын

    Hi Paul,was a little confused at first with this until you went to the board and explained it .Thought the power probe confused it for me .You said you used the power probe to manually get the window back up.Could the incandescent test light have bypassed the switch like in you're door lock video bypass test ?Would have preferred the test light here in action as we don't all use a power probe but hey ho we cannot have it all our own way lol.Thanks for the vid.

  • @ScannerDanner

    @ScannerDanner

    7 жыл бұрын

    You can not use a test light to bypass the switch on this design because the switch is directly carrying the current of the motor. You would need to use jumper wires without the power probe I was using. And jumpers wires would work just fine too.

  • @martinguitarhd28

    @martinguitarhd28

    7 жыл бұрын

    ScannerDanner Thanks Paul I had a feeling this might be the case after watching it again a couple of times.I guess there are a few different design's of how they operate and how to test them .I was able to bypass a 2003 astra power window with my test light connected to batt + and touch the correct wires using the wiring diagram with switch unplugged and was able to get the window up and down but that window circuit was basic ( I called it pull up design ,correct?) so I am right in thinking that we can only use a test light to bypass the switch on certain circuits to move the window ? Hope I am making myself clear and not confusing you lol.

  • @ScannerDanner

    @ScannerDanner

    7 жыл бұрын

    Correct. Here is the key. If the switch is signalling a module, we can bypass it with a test light. If it is directly controlling the motor or load of a circuit we cannot.

  • @martinguitarhd28

    @martinguitarhd28

    7 жыл бұрын

    ScannerDanner Thanks for the quick response .Just finished watching it again and the penny finally dropped lol.It was me confusing myself from a previous test on the astra circuit i did but the explanation in the video and the quick response from you cleared it up.Really glad you put this vid up as i have a better understanding now about this circuit design that i did not know before.Thanks Paul.

  • @ScannerDanner

    @ScannerDanner

    7 жыл бұрын

    Love answering these kind of questions. Ones where you actually want to know what's going on. So thank you!

  • @Asian_Connection
    @Asian_Connection4 жыл бұрын

    HELP!!!! Your videos are great. I love my 1997 4runner Ltd with 240k also. I want keep it runner forever. Can you help me with one issue that I can't solve. My passenger door window only goes down but not up. I have replaced the window motor already but it is still having the same issue. I tried both driver and passenger side buttons, checked the fuse but they both can't bring the window up. Can you give me a few pointers in troubleshooting the issue. Thanks.

  • @ScannerDanner

    @ScannerDanner

    4 жыл бұрын

    broken wire in the door jam most likely

  • @juanrodriguez-ry6yt
    @juanrodriguez-ry6yt7 жыл бұрын

    what about the motor drawing high amps burning contacts

  • @verajavi12
    @verajavi126 жыл бұрын

    polarity led lights have also threw me off on both low volts= no red led light and no green light when expected because of voltage thresholds in power probe internal circuitry.it was really bad on power probe 1,later power probes had a digital voltage reading that enable u to trust the voltage reading more than the red or green LEDs.often times old school test lights are just better because of simplicity.

  • @USA4thewin
    @USA4thewin4 жыл бұрын

    there are two springs in there where do they go.... NEVER MIND I see the springs now

  • @ironmike742
    @ironmike7423 жыл бұрын

    The extra grounds are to help carry the amperage and keep resistance and heat down

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