Once again. A great informative abs entertaining video! I think I’ve now watched every video you have on here and I wait with anticipation for the new content you produce! Simply wonderful! Thanks Peter

@NewBritWorkshop

3 жыл бұрын

Hi Barry, Gosh, you are very kind. Cheers. Peter

Peter, all joking aside (and I note your reply) your description and demonstration of a plunge router is the best I've seen. So many YoutTube videos show a router bolted upside down to a table costing hundreds of dollars. Although I don't have a router I am grateful to you for explaining the action of a plunge router and what it can do.

@NewBritWorkshop

3 жыл бұрын

Hi Peter, Just note what I say and not how I say it - we are all different and world is much nicer if we respect each other. Cheers. Peter

Always a pleasure watching Peter! Have a Great Day and stay safe.

@NewBritWorkshop

3 жыл бұрын

Hi Gary, As always, many thanks. Cheers. Peter

It grieves me to think of all the shop time I wasted in bygone years adjusting stack dado heads and saw fences to achieve somewhat iffy results. You're doing good to explain these processes, especially the router technique.

@NewBritWorkshop

3 жыл бұрын

Hi Mark, Stacked Dado cutters are fine if you are doing production work but they do need to be accurately adjusted. Many can be adjusted by "dialing in" the required width. Cheers. Peter

As a returning/newcomer to woodwork, so often it is the simple hints which make a difference - like marking the depth on the end to set the mitre saw blade ... although I thought you migh also have mentioned a table saw for the job ...

I find the best method is the one that produces the least amount of dust! I’m usually working moisture resistant mdf and have had enough of the mess and air pollution that my router, with dust extraction can make. Its quite time consuming too, having to make multiple passes so as to avoid excessive wear and tear on the tool and cutter. My preferred, least dusty trenching method is to use the track saw but the key point to keeping the dust down is to only plunge about every 5 or 6 mm. This will leave behind 2 to 3 mm slithers which can then be snapped off manually, a few scrapes with a chisel and the trench is done. Minimal dust, less wear and tear on the tools, and it’s quicker!

Good show Peter. Thanks for sharing with us innate talents that never end. Awesome kind Sir.

@NewBritWorkshop

3 жыл бұрын

Hi Pat, I hope all is well with you and your family. Many thanks and take care. Peter

Peter hi. Just a word of thanks for great demos.Have a great day.

@NewBritWorkshop

9 ай бұрын

Thank you so much. Peter

Nice to see you again. Always informative and helpful. thanks.

@NewBritWorkshop

3 жыл бұрын

Hi Robert, Many thanks. Peter

Ah, that is great to know. Didn't see the one on the base. Looks like a tricky install that one. Thanks for the reply

@NewBritWorkshop

3 жыл бұрын

No problem 👍

gratitude Peter for his videos! 🙏❤️👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏

@NewBritWorkshop

3 жыл бұрын

Hi Marcos, Many thanks. Peter

Hello Peter, Thank you very much for this introduction to these methods. For me this video is very helpful. I wish you a nice week and stay safe. Kind regards, Andreas

@NewBritWorkshop

3 жыл бұрын

Hi Andreas, Many thanks and stay safe. Cheers. Peter

Hello Peter i enjoy watching and learning new skills. Thanks for the video. Stay safe.

@NewBritWorkshop

3 жыл бұрын

Hi Christopher, You are always very kind - many thanks. Peter

Thanks again Peter! Hope all is well.

@NewBritWorkshop

3 жыл бұрын

Hi Mark, Thank you too - all is good thanks. Peter

Excellent demonstration that there are many ways to achieve similar results!

@NewBritWorkshop

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you! Cheers! Peter

I have never heard these referred to as “trenching” before (trenching to me is just in dirt), and I didn’t realise the difference between dado & groove. Thanks. I do like the single process approach. That’s going to help me a lot. Great stuff

@NewBritWorkshop

3 жыл бұрын

Excellent!

Hi Peter, about 45 years ago I had to make 12 rolling shelf units with 6 shelves on each unit. They all were dado in. Because it was just under 2' wide I did all the trenching before ripping the plywood sides. This saved me a lot of time & knew every side was spot on matching in height. I hope this helps someone down the road. Thank you Peter for your great videos. Happy New Year.

@NewBritWorkshop

3 жыл бұрын

Hi John, Many thanks for the tip. Peter

@bluewren65

3 жыл бұрын

You just helped me! Thanks.

@johnlowry5311

3 жыл бұрын

@@bluewren65 thank you it's nice to know I helped someone. I live in New York, USA where are you

@bluewren65

3 жыл бұрын

@@johnlowry5311 I'm in the remote Central Highlands of Tasmania! It's summer here. Hope the winter isn't too brutal where you are.

@johnlowry5311

3 жыл бұрын

@@bluewren65 So far so good. Only one snow storm. Do you ever watch the Dave Stanton live show from Australia. He a great guy & put out a great show. He on Sunday morning @ 11 Australia time.

Hi Peter, nice video and exactly the same way as I would carry out the process. Why anyone would want to use a dado stack on a circular saw is beyond me. I am very glad that they are seldom seen in Europe. I know they seem to be creeping back thanks to KZread video's originating from the USA, and a lot of untrained people are using them in the UK. The circular saw is statistically the most dangerous machine in a workshop, so the methods you have demonstrated are far superior and safer for budding woodworkers. I saw only the other day a reasonably well known UK KZreadr use his hand to pass past the blade on a saw blade with no push stick contravening UK regulations, so working over the top with a track saw would definitely be a safer bet. As a side note I call "trenching" along the grain grooving and across the grain housing, but when I started out in the trade many years ago a lot of the senior machinists called it trenching, so I am very familiar with your terminology.

@NewBritWorkshop

3 жыл бұрын

Hi Gary, Thank you for this - I feel safer doing things this way too. Cheers. Peter

Nice video Peter. I ave to wonder why festool hasn't come out with a groove cutter. They've been making and using them in Japan for ages. Think of a track saw with specific width blades and then some thinner blades to dial in a width. Like a dado set on a table saw.

@NewBritWorkshop

3 жыл бұрын

Hi Patrick, The Festool HK85 has this capability - take a look: www.festool.co.uk/accessory/576803---vn-hk85-130x16-25#Overview Peter

I often wonder of the possibilities of an 18mm width router bit for trenching soft materials such as mdf, cabinet building would be a lot quicker in production. I often trench the edges for accuracy and then freehand the excess with a battery hand router ...

I enjoyed the overview. I do all of these cuts on my table saw. Your methods here are nice alternatives for small shops without that capability; however, I think they’re all far more cumbersome. I do use a router table on occasion, but that’s because I have special made bits for plywood thicknesses. On the subject of “rebates”, I think rabbet may be a more appropriate word for an edge trench. Perhaps it’s a subtle distinction, but I think of a rebate as a “relief”, or adjustment of a dimension. As always, I enjoy your quiet unhurried style.

@NewBritWorkshop

3 жыл бұрын

Hi Victor, Many thanks. Peter

@stevechambers8869

3 жыл бұрын

I do too. I use the banggood version of the kerfmaker. Quick and accurate.

@DMC888

3 жыл бұрын

Rabbet vs rebate. I read somewhere that the US English Rabbet is closer to the original version of the word, from the old French word Rabbat. Which makes a change 😉.

This is crystal clear, thanks from Paris!

@NewBritWorkshop

3 жыл бұрын

Glad it was helpful!

@CorentinHarbelot

3 жыл бұрын

@@NewBritWorkshop really usefull for a newb like myself 👍🏻

Great video Peter. Your tools are in such amazing condition. I was making some extra wide door linings on a job last week using my brand new cordless plunge saw and brand new Festool extractor. The builder decided to use his disc cutter to chop in a lintel whilst I was having a tea break in the van, and I came back to see my brand new shiny kit covered in a thick layer of brick dust!!!. I had a fit and all he said was, 'all you carpenters ever do is moan'. CLASSIC

@NewBritWorkshop

3 жыл бұрын

I said to someone recently that when I make a video it is like inviting your best friend into the house for tea - so I always do a "tidy" before making each video and sometimes during the filming process. When my sound insulation and dry lining was being done I lent the guys my Festool power distribution systainer and my work light. Both were covered in rock hard drywall mud and most of it is still there. Never mind ! Cheers. Peter

@madhungarian3024

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, i made the mistake of loaning my cordless drill to my Dad once. It came back covered in tar and destroyed. So i don't loan tools anymore, unless i want to actually give them to the person. Same thing with books. Someone once said that if you're asked to loan a book, you should respond with such a shocked look of horror at such an unimaginable request, so that the person never tries to ask again!

@Sonaks

Жыл бұрын

Just struck me aswell how his 10+ years old tools can look brand new and still use them frequently. I simply love watching Pete's educating about various woodworking skills. It's just soothing and like watching a Jeremy Clarkson but with more manners. Haha So much i finally bought a parf guide system mk2 and made my own mft table

The router is my prefered method, it gives a nice clean cut to the bottom of the trench.

@NewBritWorkshop

3 жыл бұрын

Good to know!

Hi Peter, Apart from the praise regarding the usual quality, two things that might be of interest to you; - I think a kerfmaker will be a very usefull bit of kit, especially for the track saw option with the Parf fence. - I figured out that you can place the festool fine adjuster (488754) also on the outside of the parallel guide. This will help you dialing in the second pass. (Similar to this part: 483358, but much more useful.

@NewBritWorkshop

3 жыл бұрын

Many thanks. Peter

This is where the Incra system is great. And it goes very well hand in hand with a Parf table.

@NewBritWorkshop

3 жыл бұрын

Hi Immanuel, It is good but quite expensive though. Cheers, Peter

Nicely done! Here In the US, we also have the option of using a a set of dado blades on table saws, an option I have heard is largely unavailable in Europe. Of all, I find a router procedure the one I use most often because of its consistency, control, and flat bottoms - especially when encorporating easily made guides and jigs. In addition, if you have a board that has a slight bow or twist that can be overcome in final assembly, because the router registers to the wood in the area immediately adjacent to the cut, consistent depth is further maintained. Bravo!

@danthechippie4439

3 жыл бұрын

Hi, if I had my way I'd purchase a cabnit grade sawstop with dado set but that's the price I pay for living in Europe. Not available here

@stevenvachon9745

3 жыл бұрын

Stacking dado blades are not available in Europe? Why, safety concerns? I would have a tough time getting the precision and consistency without my dado blades. I had no idea they aren't common everywhere.

@RueFondary

3 жыл бұрын

Dado blades aren't common in Europe, although they do exist even on some portable circular saws (see the Festool VN-HK85 accessory for instance). I understand it's partly a safety issue (as one has to remove the riving knife and shroud which have to be used in a professional setting) but it's also due to the fact that spindle moulders are much more common in Europe than in the US. I'm fortunate to have a dado set as it's a very efficient way to make long or repeat trenches (the set up time is relatively tedious, but the cutting time is very short, horses for courses)

@joycemiller4716

3 жыл бұрын

I use a dado blade on my saw when needed l From oxford England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

@danthechippie4439

3 жыл бұрын

@@joycemiller4716 what type of saw do you have and where do you get it

There seems to be a misconception that you cannot use a table saw for dado/trenching here in the U.K. try looking at the Axminster cat: page no11 ,there is also a recent Axminster video that explains this in more detail (you do need deep pockets for the expense of the equipment though ! ! ).

Tbh I forgot the kapex did that 🤦🏻‍♂️ that little green lever is very accurate from memory 😃

Superb, informative video as always. Thanks for sharing. 👍

@NewBritWorkshop

3 жыл бұрын

Hi Paul, You are very kind. Cheers. Peter

@mrnobelnigel

3 жыл бұрын

Sincerely, always learn something from your videos. Never thought about cutting dados with a plunge saw but will definitely be trying that now. Thank-you.

Lovely informative video, thanks Peter. Where did you find the little extension wings for the kapex?

@NewBritWorkshop

3 жыл бұрын

Hi Kate, I bought the Kapex and the extension wings both at the same time from Axminster - that was about 11 years ago ! Peter

Well taught but you missed the fourth one when you do not know pre-hand the width of the wood.. so you have your initial cut line then lay your wood on top against it and mark the thickest accordingly. Then follow as before.

@NewBritWorkshop

7 ай бұрын

Hi Kevin, Many thanks. Peter

Hi Peter. Thanks for another very informative video. Can I ask why people always put a piece of wood on the back fence?

@NewBritWorkshop

3 жыл бұрын

Hi Lee, It is supposed to act as a sacrificial backing so that one gets no breakout at the back of the cut. In the same way there is a sacrificial insert strip on the base to stop breakout on the underside of a cut. Peter

Thanks. A very informative video. Do you have a table saw?

@NewBritWorkshop

3 жыл бұрын

Hi George, Yes, a small Festool CMS-TS unit. Peter

Some good information Peter.

@NewBritWorkshop

3 жыл бұрын

Hi John, Many thanks. Peter

Single subject, great idea.

@NewBritWorkshop

3 жыл бұрын

Hi Mark, I am responding to several previous requests and I think it is a good idea. Cheers. Peter

@marcosbatista6227

3 жыл бұрын

@@NewBritWorkshop excellent idea, I also think, and I appreciate your fantastic work, cheers for you Peter!

Thanks for the video. Any advice for cutting trenches in 2x4 pergola spars with a router please? I'm cutting perpendicular to the spar length so there isn't a suitable edge for the router fence. I guess... buy a mitre saw with a depth/trenching feature 🤣

@NewBritWorkshop

Жыл бұрын

Yes, a mitre saw might be easier but it is also easy to do with a router. There are several ways to do this and the following is just one example. Most routers are supplied with a guide bush which attaches to the base and often they are 30 mm in diameter. You will need a straight cutter that can be fitted to your router and pass through the guide bush. If a piece of wood is clamped at right angles to one of your spars and a set distance from where the left or right side of the channel should be you can then guide the router, held against that wooden guide piece to make a trench the width of the router cutter. You can do this in such a way as to create the left and right sides of the channel that needs to be cut. The remaining wood in the middle can also be taken out in a similar way but without the need to accurately place the guide piece of wood. The following video will help you calculate the offsets for positioning the guide piece of wood: kzread.info/dash/bejne/mHh1u4-qeM7Peag.html Peter

Great video. As I understood it Workshop notes is just a round up. To accommodate all, would adding one word key points not work ie (Workshop notes - trenching, bench, new drill.), if they were the points you are discussing. On trenching, I was taught we trench rebates on the outside of boards and housing's through the inside of boards not rabbets and dado's.

@NewBritWorkshop

3 жыл бұрын

Hi Andy, Many thanks, Peter

I notice the green cover on the dust port of your TS-55REQ. I believe you mentioned where you got it in an earlier video, but for the life of me I can't find that reference. Would you please let me know how to get one for my own TS-55REQ. Thank you, Peter.

@NewBritWorkshop

3 жыл бұрын

Hi Michael, This will prove the point about me now making single subject videos - it was in a Workshop Notes video but I cannot remember which one. However, by pure chance, it is in the title picture of this video: kzread.info/dash/bejne/mmqEycZwkZO7dJc.html I do not think the chap makes them any more but it is worth a check. Peter

@sundancebleu

3 жыл бұрын

Was wondering the same, thank you Peter!

@sundancebleu

3 жыл бұрын

By the way I just checked the other video and Feskit in the UK makes the green dust door. They still do produce it but there is no default option to ship to United States. I’ve written them and hopefully can work something out. Thanks again for providing the link!

@tonyblunsum2547

3 жыл бұрын

Hi there I got mine from the Strawbyte workshop hope this helps

@idlersdream826

3 жыл бұрын

@@tonyblunsum2547 +1 for Karl @Strawbyte, I bought his waste side cutting jigs which which take the guess work out of cutting on the ‘wrong’ side 👍

Great video. Can I ask what is the green plastic piece you have covering the blade window on the TS-55 - its not on mine? Does it improve performance?

@NewBritWorkshop

3 жыл бұрын

Hi kevin, It is to improve the dust collection but, if you are doing a lot of work with dusty stuff (like MDF) is reduces the efficiency overall. But, it does reduce the odd bit of dust that occurs in normal work. You will have to do a Google search as the original source is no longer available. Peter

@kevinwells768

3 жыл бұрын

@@NewBritWorkshop Thanks Peter

Peter Seems you are recommending doing climb cuts with the router? Why is that? Unless there is some specific reason (like grain direction) one should use router when the cutter turns against the direction of movement. If you do it like you show it as a climb cut - the router can start "running". Obviously with 8 mm depth into MDF that is not an issue - but if you were doing it with a 30 mm diameter bit at 10 mm depth....that can be an issue

@NewBritWorkshop

3 жыл бұрын

Hi Mike, No, Anti-clockwise when cutting stock on your right and clockwise when cutting stock on the left. Peter

@mikec3546

3 жыл бұрын

@@NewBritWorkshop so that means that when you cut on your right you have to PUSH the router away from you and not pull towards you...

Which is your preferred method?

@NewBritWorkshop

3 жыл бұрын

I think the tracksaw for wider stuff and the Kapex for narrow pieces. Peter

Hi, thanks for your video. Can you let us know what method is your favourite please?

@NewBritWorkshop

3 жыл бұрын

Hi Jonathan, If the stock is narrow enough then I use the Kapex. I sometimes use my router table (I know I did not show that option) but only out to about 250 mm. The router on a rail is good for wider cuts but those are simpler and just as accurate on the tracksaw cutting station. Peter

@jonathansmith4399

3 жыл бұрын

@@NewBritWorkshop thank you Peter. I’ve used my mitre saw before but I recently made a small router table so I plan to give that try soon.

Tablesaw with a 4mm flat ground blade is the easiest method I have found.

@madhungarian3024

3 жыл бұрын

True. But they're not real big on tablesaws with dado blades over there in Europe, i hear. I've been told that dado blades are actually illegal there.

@hardipchima7828

3 жыл бұрын

@@madhungarian3024 Not a dado blade just a wide blade with flat ground teeth.

Buy a table saw.

Limit of exploitation? Arbitrary? You are talking wood work you're not a BBC weather presenter