How to Strengthen a Weak Starter

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Proven techniques including the "peak to peak" feeding method for strengthening a weak sourdough starter. In this video we cover:
1. What is a "strong" starter
2. How does the daily feeding cycle work
3. Understanding 1:1:1 feeding
4. How to strengthen a weak starter
5. Common mistakes
CORRECTION: I indicate in this video that the Tartine book recommends a 1:1:1 feeding ration, but it actually recommends 1:2:2.
If you find this video helpful, please subscribe to my channel, The Sourdough Journey."
Thank you,
Tom Cucuzza
The Sourdough Journey
Cleveland, Ohio
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Sections in this video:
0:00 Introduction
0:48 What is a "strong starter?"
3:18 Who is the appropriate audience for this video?
4:09 How do I strengthen a weak starter?
6:35 7 Stages of the Starter Feeding Cycle
12:45 Understanding the 1:1:1 Feeding Ratio
14:20 How to Strengthen a Weak Starter
14:33 Method 1: Optimize Temperature
18:08 Method 2: Additional Nutrients
20:30 Peak-to-Peak Feeding
23:06 Common Mistakes
23:33 Mistake 1 - Overfeeding
25:34 Mistake 2 - Increase Feeding Frequency
27:12 Mistake 3 - Adding Commercial Yeast
28:40 Summary

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  • @ChristopherJones-cjphoto
    @ChristopherJones-cjphoto3 жыл бұрын

    Finally, a very detailed description of what we are all trying to achieve. Thanks so much!

  • @thesourdoughjourney

    @thesourdoughjourney

    3 жыл бұрын

    Glad it was helpful!

  • @flowerbomb333

    @flowerbomb333

    3 жыл бұрын

    Isn’t that the truth ! Tom makes things very clear and understandable ....

  • @snowbird6855

    @snowbird6855

    2 жыл бұрын

    My starter is completely rye flour and I've been learning sourdough bread baking using spelt flour recipes. The loaves are improving but I'm not fully there yet. Ultimately I want to transition to einkorn flour sourdough bread only!!

  • @tinamcclenahan8775

    @tinamcclenahan8775

    6 ай бұрын

    Thank you!! I know this video was years ago but I'm finding it incredibly helpful and appreciate it so much @@thesourdoughjourney

  • @rajulshah1113
    @rajulshah111311 ай бұрын

    You're not just a genius at this, you're supremely funny. Learning a huge deal and love your sense of humor.

  • @thesourdoughjourney

    @thesourdoughjourney

    11 ай бұрын

    Thank you. I appreciate the feedback.

  • @dave83x
    @dave83x Жыл бұрын

    Fantastic creation! Finally something informative with peaceful voice without annoying hype, well done!

  • @thesourdoughjourney

    @thesourdoughjourney

    Жыл бұрын

    Thank you. Also check out my website. Here’s one page thesourdoughjourney.com/faq-starter-strengthening/

  • @tabathadominguez5515
    @tabathadominguez55153 жыл бұрын

    I am SO grateful for this video. My start went from being sluggish to more than doubling in four hours based on your tips from this video. Thought I should circle back and thank you for that. Much appreciated.

  • @thesourdoughjourney

    @thesourdoughjourney

    3 жыл бұрын

    Thank you for the feedback. I am happy it worked for you.

  • @kimwalker9506

    @kimwalker9506

    6 ай бұрын

    So question for clarity I feed my starter 1:3:3 and I feel it's getting too level 5-6. So from my understanding that is right where I want it to be correct? So in my case to boost it I should add a little rye every now and again. I currently store them in the microwave to keep them warm. They do double or more in size I would say by 8th hour tops if warm. Slower if just on counter.

  • @joelkorotzer8806
    @joelkorotzer88063 жыл бұрын

    Hi again Tom, Due to you video on strengthening a weak starter and your recent suggestions, Larry, my 25 year old sourdough starter, is a new man. I've done peak feeding for the last 2 days and can't believe how active he is. With my rejuvenated starter and your brilliant Bulk-O-Matic I feel confident t that I will soon be turning out excellent bread. Joel

  • @thesourdoughjourney

    @thesourdoughjourney

    3 жыл бұрын

    Awesome! Thanks for the feedback. Good luck! I’ve found that my loaves improved, all around, once my starter was stronger.

  • @annielivingstone7613
    @annielivingstone76134 жыл бұрын

    Tom, love, love, love your channel. Thank you for being so thorough! You are very generous with your knowledge and it is appreciated, regards from Oz

  • @thesourdoughjourney

    @thesourdoughjourney

    4 жыл бұрын

    Thank you so much for the feedback.

  • @easilystartled2203
    @easilystartled2203 Жыл бұрын

    I've gone through SO MANY videos and links and most of them covered the same square inch of advice and got me absolutely no where. This actually has information and clarity, thank you!!! I'll give some of these pointers a try and see if I can't get my starter into the 'robust' portion of the sourdough spectrum :D

  • @thesourdoughjourney

    @thesourdoughjourney

    Жыл бұрын

    Thanks! Here’s another one to consider. kzread.info/dash/bejne/i2SDsdiCl6bKqZc.html

  • @easilystartled2203

    @easilystartled2203

    Жыл бұрын

    @@thesourdoughjourney Oh wow, thank you!

  • @manju331
    @manju3312 жыл бұрын

    Thanks so much for all your videos Tom. As a new sour dough home baker I really do appreciate your generosity. 💜

  • @thesourdoughjourney

    @thesourdoughjourney

    2 жыл бұрын

    Thank you!

  • @DANVIIL
    @DANVIIL4 жыл бұрын

    A very cogent and valuable explanation of how to strengthen your starter, thanks.

  • @thesourdoughjourney

    @thesourdoughjourney

    4 жыл бұрын

    Thank you.

  • @daisyskippi
    @daisyskippi Жыл бұрын

    You are a very good teacher. I learned so much by watching this video. Can’t wait to see the results of applying these directives. Thanks again.

  • @thesourdoughjourney

    @thesourdoughjourney

    Жыл бұрын

    Thanks! Also check out my website. thesourdoughjourney.com/faq-starter-strengthening/

  • @valeriya105
    @valeriya1052 жыл бұрын

    WOW excellent video! I bake and sell sourdough and ran into a problem this week and could not figure out how to get the strength back to my starter! I baked amazing loafs until they didn't rise anymore and that threw me for such a loop, thank you for this video!

  • @thesourdoughjourney

    @thesourdoughjourney

    2 жыл бұрын

    Thank you. Also check out my new website at thesourdoughjourney.com

  • @masterkimmen
    @masterkimmen2 жыл бұрын

    Best video I have every watched on KZread about yeast starter. The video is really simple and straight forward. Full of logic and reasoning without the bullshit for clicks you see on other channels.

  • @thesourdoughjourney

    @thesourdoughjourney

    2 жыл бұрын

    Thank you! Also check out my website at thesourdoughjourney.com.

  • @michaeljohnrizzo6643
    @michaeljohnrizzo66434 жыл бұрын

    Hi Tom, I just discovered your channel and I am thrilled! The thing I have truly missed from many of the other sourdough tutorials by some great bakers are the “details”. Sourdough baking is so much about the science and so many bakers either skim over these details or refuse to discuss them at all because “they don’t care about that stuff”. Your videos have given me a lot of insight and since I have only been on my sourdough journey for 3 months, your tutorials have given me many opportunities to improve my game and have armed me with many more questions, which is a good thing! Thanks again!

  • @thesourdoughjourney

    @thesourdoughjourney

    4 жыл бұрын

    Thank you for the feedback!

  • @margaretstaples6374
    @margaretstaples6374 Жыл бұрын

    You are the best, most informative sourdough teacher for someone like me trying to learn all I can while waiting for my starter to mature. Your humor is a great blessing as well in a world so fraught with bad news. I wish you lived next door! Blessings to you and yours! 😊

  • @thesourdoughjourney

    @thesourdoughjourney

    Жыл бұрын

    Thank you so much. I appreciate the feedback.

  • @lenaagrj
    @lenaagrj5 ай бұрын

    THANK YOU so much. It's so hard to find reliable, clear, complete and high-quality information on sourdough! Thank you

  • @thesourdoughjourney

    @thesourdoughjourney

    5 ай бұрын

    Thanks. Also check out my website for more info. thesourdoughjourney.com/faq-starter-creation/

  • @topdocwbrepair
    @topdocwbrepair Жыл бұрын

    Mr Tom, (Yes you have earned the title of "Mr) your demeanor, disciplined patience, learned humility, your transparency, academic approach, organization of digital “Mise en place” all have earned you the title of “Mr Tom”. You mentioned you are from Cleveland Ohio. I have a best friend in Marion Ohio and his brother, has a law practice in Columbus Ohio. I consider them as members of the “Mr” Club. Notice, no period after the Mr, because no-one gets an automatic definite until his obituary is written. All that to say much more than a big thank you for your excellent approach to teaching. I am learning and practicing. and will be sticking to one Mr Tom for my beginning journey into sourdough bread baking. Just like what you say about sticking to a recipe until you got it ingrained into you, so it must be with the teacher in our lives. Find a teacher that resonates with you and extract all the yeast in them and when you become a healthy starter you can start mixing with other teachers. (Leaving 25% yeast in you so that you can be fed with compliments and bake more students). THANK YOU!

  • @thesourdoughjourney

    @thesourdoughjourney

    Жыл бұрын

    Thank you for the feedback. I appreciate it. Also check out my website at thesourdoughjourney.com

  • @alwynn2233
    @alwynn2233 Жыл бұрын

    Hands down, this is the best video I’ve seen to explain to me why my starter has been behaving as it has (that time I was sad and mystified when I went to use my starter and it was completely flat and runny) and and how to manage my starter. I’m now filled with joy. I can now continue confidently on the path to the perfect loaf. Thank you!

  • @thesourdoughjourney

    @thesourdoughjourney

    Жыл бұрын

    Thank you. Also check out my new video on the impact of premature discarding. Similar topic.

  • @sophielee4499
    @sophielee44992 жыл бұрын

    OMG, this channel is like a life saver for my sourdough starter. I love the details and academic explanation. Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge.

  • @thesourdoughjourney

    @thesourdoughjourney

    2 жыл бұрын

    Thank you. Also check out my new website at thesourdoughjourney.com. Lots of good info there also.

  • @leelaplay8480
    @leelaplay84803 жыл бұрын

    I'm new to sourdough and just found your informative and entertaining videos. Thanks for sharing your knowledge in such an accessible manner. What a treat. Breadmaking is a touch of a challenge for me as I'm mostly bedbound so getting up to monitor the starter or bread as bulk fermenting isn't always possible. I'm baking one loaf at a time for myself. Have been trying keeping the starter in the fridge as even the time standing up to feed the starter daily can be impossible. I know you prefer the daily feeding method, but hope you'll consider a video on keeping starter in the fridge and all involved with that - feed at what ratio; then how long later put it into the fridge; any temp requirements; when to take it out before baking and what to do....... I have always loved sourdough and am not finding much acceptable bread to order online from the stores near me so really want to make this work. Besides my specific needs, I know many people want to use the fridge method for various reasons so you could help many of us.

  • @thesourdoughjourney

    @thesourdoughjourney

    3 жыл бұрын

    Once you have a strong starter, you can definitely keep it in the fridge. Most people do a 1:1:1 feeding per week if they are not baking and just maintaining in the fridge. If you plan to bake, take it out a day before and do 1 or 2 feedings before baking. Some people do not even do this and they just use the unfed starter straight from the fridge. You might also want to look into overnight sourdough recipes which require less handling. Here is a popular one. cooking.nytimes.com/recipes/1018028-sourdough-no-knead-bread

  • @carolinetrieu7701
    @carolinetrieu77012 жыл бұрын

    My starter is a one year old one. It used to be super reactive at the beginning (at peak, it would go to 3-4x the initial volume), but now it doesn't go beyond 2x its initial volume. I'm gonna try your tricks to get it back on track, thanks a lot!

  • @thesourdoughjourney

    @thesourdoughjourney

    2 жыл бұрын

    Good luck. Also check out my video, “How to Double Your Starter Strength in 6 Days,” for a demonstration of some techniques.

  • @brendabarrett7327
    @brendabarrett73277 ай бұрын

    Your video saved my sourdough starter (and my sanity)! I’ve never made a starter before. I was getting frustrated and didn’t know what I was doing wrong. I tried multiple things but couldn’t get my starter to rise at all. I was about to give up when I found your video. I followed your advice, discarded all but a small portion of the starter, then fed 1:1:1. Literally the next day my starter began to rise and by day two it was more than doubling in size! I’m four days out now and my starter is tripling in size in 4 hours. Yay! I can’t wait to make my first loaf of sourdough bread and I will be sure to watch your videos on that. Thank you Tom!

  • @thesourdoughjourney

    @thesourdoughjourney

    7 ай бұрын

    Thanks! Good luck.

  • @sandraevanko3633
    @sandraevanko3633Ай бұрын

    Wow! Thank you, so informative, I am so glad you presented this. It seems, right on time too. My starter is dying.....

  • @thesourdoughjourney

    @thesourdoughjourney

    Ай бұрын

    Thank you.

  • @ESSPY61
    @ESSPY613 жыл бұрын

    Your detailed and clear explanations are a delight !!! Thank you so much for doing this.

  • @thesourdoughjourney

    @thesourdoughjourney

    3 жыл бұрын

    Thank you for the feedback.

  • @tracey278
    @tracey2789 ай бұрын

    Tom I just would just like to say thank you 🙏🏽 for your knowledge- dedication and humour , I’m so happy to have found your channel, iv been baking sourdough for about 7 years now and I’m still learning! Your in-depth studies are going to definitely help me , I know most of my issues are because I’m not organised and are fermentation issues , but one thing you have repeatedly mentioned is fermentation is the key and that is a area I do need to work on , I have been using the fridge most of the time because we live in Australia and it gets very hot here ,,, and can I also say I’m so happy to know I don’t need to heat my oven to astronomic temperatures to get a good rise ! Iv been wasting so much Electricity! I’m going to give the cold oven and cold Dutch oven a go and see what happens, man you really get into the nitty-gritty of everything sourdough but hey I get you a lot of other channels that are very scientific. I just don’t get it but I get you! Cheers from Australia 💙🇦🇺

  • @thesourdoughjourney

    @thesourdoughjourney

    9 ай бұрын

    Thank you so much for the feedback. I appreciate it and I’m available to help at any time.

  • @marilynwharton1916
    @marilynwharton19163 жыл бұрын

    Great video. I learned a lot, and can’t thank you enough for sharing your time and knowledge with us.

  • @thesourdoughjourney

    @thesourdoughjourney

    3 жыл бұрын

    Thank you!

  • @beevees1636
    @beevees16363 жыл бұрын

    Thank you Sir. I will never stop to thank you for every video you make.

  • @thesourdoughjourney

    @thesourdoughjourney

    3 жыл бұрын

    Thank you for the feedback.

  • @jeanie4703
    @jeanie4703Ай бұрын

    Really appreciate your contributions, thank you.

  • @thesourdoughjourney

    @thesourdoughjourney

    Ай бұрын

    Thank you. 🙏

  • @alessioboscarino1644
    @alessioboscarino16443 жыл бұрын

    Incredible and detailing explanation of what and why happen to a sourdought. Thank you very much for these information express in such a good and calm way, you help me a lot.

  • @thesourdoughjourney

    @thesourdoughjourney

    3 жыл бұрын

    Thank you for the feedback!

  • @markbraxton1289
    @markbraxton12893 ай бұрын

    Best coverage of sowdough starters ever...thank you Sir 😊❤

  • @thesourdoughjourney

    @thesourdoughjourney

    3 ай бұрын

    Thanks. Here is an updated video on this topic. NEW!: How to Strengthen a Weak, ACIDIC Starter (A Barnyard Tragedy) kzread.info/dash/bejne/gnacpbqlg9Scd5s.html

  • @samuellam5614
    @samuellam56143 жыл бұрын

    Thank you! I frequently make the first 2 common mistakes you mentioned, especially in winter. Very useful video.

  • @thesourdoughjourney

    @thesourdoughjourney

    3 жыл бұрын

    Thank you.

  • @bobsheridan6692
    @bobsheridan66923 жыл бұрын

    I just came across your video and it makes so much sense. Thanks for your explanation and suggestions of strengthening and maintaining a strong starter.

  • @thesourdoughjourney

    @thesourdoughjourney

    3 жыл бұрын

    Thank you.

  • @sharynlindsay7069
    @sharynlindsay70693 жыл бұрын

    Wonderful video! Very concise, sensible and thorough. I am a formally pastry chef in dire need some direction having not baked sourdough in a few years, this was a tremendous help- THANK YOU! :)

  • @thesourdoughjourney

    @thesourdoughjourney

    3 жыл бұрын

    Thank you for the feedback. You may like my series “Tartine Bread: The Art and Alchemy.” It is my most detailed instructional series for intermediate sourdough bakers.

  • @danac2491
    @danac2491 Жыл бұрын

    Thank you Tom, I found this so interesting and informative, so much so I had to hear more and listened to several other videos you have shared. And will continue to do so. Thank you.

  • @thesourdoughjourney

    @thesourdoughjourney

    Жыл бұрын

    Thanks!

  • @kristinkarnes9514
    @kristinkarnes9514 Жыл бұрын

    I just wanted to say thanks for the (obvious/not so obvious) tip to discard 2/3 and not just 1/2 the starter before feeding. It had never occurred to me about the appropriate discard ratio, but it makes so much sense, and ever since I took your advice my start has never been happier! Thanks so much!!

  • @thesourdoughjourney

    @thesourdoughjourney

    Жыл бұрын

    Thanks!

  • @barbaracattell6765
    @barbaracattell6765 Жыл бұрын

    Thank you so much for your videos, love how easy it is to follow your instructions, have been wanting to do this for a long time...

  • @thesourdoughjourney

    @thesourdoughjourney

    Жыл бұрын

    Thank you!

  • @stmarypaul
    @stmarypaul7 ай бұрын

    I've been looking for someone to take me through the nitty gritty science of it so I have a solid understanding & can improve my process. Thank you so much for the excellent video!

  • @thesourdoughjourney

    @thesourdoughjourney

    7 ай бұрын

    Thanks! Also check out my website. thesourdoughjourney.com

  • @eneal2056
    @eneal20562 жыл бұрын

    This was an excellent tutorial that was very helpful and informative. Thank you!

  • @thesourdoughjourney

    @thesourdoughjourney

    2 жыл бұрын

    Thank you!

  • @sandraevanko3633
    @sandraevanko3633Ай бұрын

    Hi Tom, I followed your advice, and now my starter is rising like a weed!! Consistently every 4 hours and I am so pleased! I mixed the rye flour with bread flour in even measure. I only feed when the top of the starter has bubbles, and domed.

  • @thesourdoughjourney

    @thesourdoughjourney

    Ай бұрын

    Excellent. Thank you.

  • @pattic200
    @pattic20010 ай бұрын

    Thanks Tom, I appreciate your knowledge and science in this sourdough journey 😊

  • @thesourdoughjourney

    @thesourdoughjourney

    10 ай бұрын

    Thank you!

  • @brendaleetaylor9566
    @brendaleetaylor9566 Жыл бұрын

    You Are Awesome. Such a scientist!! Love your videos!

  • @thesourdoughjourney

    @thesourdoughjourney

    Жыл бұрын

    Thank you!

  • @tereservsherman4318
    @tereservsherman43183 жыл бұрын

    Thank you very much for this excellent video! I definitely learned a lot of things!

  • @thesourdoughjourney

    @thesourdoughjourney

    3 жыл бұрын

    Thank you for the feedback!

  • @Bassbarbie
    @Bassbarbie5 ай бұрын

    I have watched two of your videos and have learnt so much. I have a fairly new and seemingly happy starter, and I now feel prepared to keep it that way. New subscriber 🙂

  • @thesourdoughjourney

    @thesourdoughjourney

    5 ай бұрын

    Thanks!

  • @mishajones2635
    @mishajones263511 ай бұрын

    This was immensely helpful! Thank you so much for this video.

  • @thesourdoughjourney

    @thesourdoughjourney

    11 ай бұрын

    Thank you! Also check out this related video. kzread.info/dash/bejne/pXqDl5Vrc5arcbA.html

  • @cstephens4387
    @cstephens4387 Жыл бұрын

    Appreciate the image and detailed descriptions of the stages and indicators. Thx!

  • @thesourdoughjourney

    @thesourdoughjourney

    Жыл бұрын

    Thanks! Check out more info here too. thesourdoughjourney.com/encyclopedia/

  • @humblesense
    @humblesense3 ай бұрын

    Thanks a lot for picking up this topic.Really appreciate the thorough explanation ❤❤️❤️

  • @thesourdoughjourney

    @thesourdoughjourney

    3 ай бұрын

    Thanks. Here is a newer video on this topic. NEW!: How to Strengthen a Weak, ACIDIC Starter (A Barnyard Tragedy) kzread.info/dash/bejne/gnacpbqlg9Scd5s.html

  • @moemanm1202
    @moemanm1202 Жыл бұрын

    man, you are like a godsend. you answered questions i didnt even know i would have

  • @thesourdoughjourney

    @thesourdoughjourney

    Жыл бұрын

    Thank you!

  • @danielnichols3594
    @danielnichols35943 жыл бұрын

    Very helpful. I've made a few of these mistakes including feeding at higher ratios (1:2:2 or 1:3:3) when the seasons are changing, i.e., summer > winter. I'm going back to a 1:1:1 and see how this affects the strength of my starter.

  • @thesourdoughjourney

    @thesourdoughjourney

    3 жыл бұрын

    Thanks. I always recommend starting with 1:1:1 and monitor your temperature and the 7 stages to really get a consistent cycle. Then if 1:1:1 is just not enough food to make it to the next day, then go up to 1:2:2 if needed for daily maintenance. For strengthening, go to peak to peak rather than just giving it more food.

  • @achil19
    @achil192 жыл бұрын

    what an amazing video. so much value. thank you so much.

  • @thesourdoughjourney

    @thesourdoughjourney

    2 жыл бұрын

    Thanks! Also check out my website. thesourdoughjourney.com/faq-starter-strengthening/

  • @roki5337
    @roki5337 Жыл бұрын

    I appreciate your thoroughness with the s ience of starters.

  • @thesourdoughjourney

    @thesourdoughjourney

    Жыл бұрын

    Thanks.

  • @recipeswithjay
    @recipeswithjay4 ай бұрын

    Thanks for this! Just just what I needed to see on my sourdough starter journey

  • @thesourdoughjourney

    @thesourdoughjourney

    4 ай бұрын

    Thank you!

  • @brittse
    @brittse Жыл бұрын

    Im starting a starter-its a month old- I inadvertently found this looking for something in my new bread life great video! I rewound to rewatch the dime bag a few times 🤣 made my morning 🌅🤣

  • @thesourdoughjourney

    @thesourdoughjourney

    Жыл бұрын

    Thanks! Good Luck. Also check out my video on how to create a new starter.

  • @cyklandetidsoptimisten
    @cyklandetidsoptimisten3 жыл бұрын

    Thank you for great information. Many things got clear to me now 👌🏻

  • @thesourdoughjourney

    @thesourdoughjourney

    3 жыл бұрын

    Thanks. Good luck!

  • @ltfuzz1
    @ltfuzz14 жыл бұрын

    Good information! Just what I needed for Sunday afternoon, trying to figure out my baking schedule when I have to be gone far away on Wednesday and then Friday and Saturday.

  • @thesourdoughjourney

    @thesourdoughjourney

    4 жыл бұрын

    Thank you.

  • @broma3974
    @broma3974 Жыл бұрын

    Love this! Thank you for the extensive video!

  • @thesourdoughjourney

    @thesourdoughjourney

    Жыл бұрын

    Thanks!

  • @redhen689
    @redhen6898 ай бұрын

    Thanks for your very helpful videos. I’m a very informal keeper of starter. I started it more than 5 years ago. It times it’s been ignored in the fridge for months at a time. My starter is currently fed with 100% dark rye flour. I rarely make a loaf of bread, but sometimes make sourdough pizza crust or some rolls from a Danish recipe I ran across several months ago. I sometimes cheat and add a bit of yeast. I generally use 100% whole grains when I bake.

  • @thesourdoughjourney

    @thesourdoughjourney

    8 ай бұрын

    Thanks!

  • @steffenp6554
    @steffenp65542 жыл бұрын

    Excellent explanation and tips! Thanks a lot!! The peak-to-peak method is a very good advice. Just a thought on feeding ratios. In my experience increasing the starter feeding ratio even up to 1:4:4 a couple of days before baking boosts yeast fitness and reduces the acidity (which can somewhat inhibit yeast growth). The hypothesis is that unlike bacteria, yeast (e.g. Saccharomyces strains which divide by ‘budding’) ages in two distinct ways. Besides its chronological lifespan it also has a replicative lifespan - i.e. it can produce only a finite number of daughter cells (15-30) before the mother cell becomes quiescent. In an active starter, young daughter yeast cells with a high replicative potential may compete not only with bacteria, but also with older yeast cells that have low replicative potential. Decreasing the inoculation (i.e. increasing the feeding ratio) likely lowers the burden of older cells in the population and favours actively dividing cells. Of course, things are complicated in complex co-cultures of sourdough starters. Btw a very nice study of the sourdough microbiome found that Saccharomyces cerevisiae was indeed the dominant yeast species in most starters analysed (Landis et al., eLife 2021, DOI: 10.7554/eLife.61644).

  • @thesourdoughjourney

    @thesourdoughjourney

    2 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for the additional info. After making this video I also started experimenting with higher feeding ratios and agree with the acidity reduction and starter strengthening with higher ratios. Also, check out the first 20 minutes of this video for an interesting experiment I did on this topic. kzread.info/dash/bejne/dn1k0NuKoNTgn7w.html

  • @valeriepagendarm6376
    @valeriepagendarm63763 жыл бұрын

    The photos of the stages is genius! Thanks!

  • @thesourdoughjourney

    @thesourdoughjourney

    3 жыл бұрын

    Thank you!

  • @boupartac
    @boupartac4 жыл бұрын

    Way to go! Good job and thank you Tom!

  • @thesourdoughjourney

    @thesourdoughjourney

    4 жыл бұрын

    Thank you!

  • @clairbellatv
    @clairbellatv4 жыл бұрын

    Just the video I need! Thank you!

  • @thesourdoughjourney

    @thesourdoughjourney

    4 жыл бұрын

    Thank you! Everyone seems to be struggling with this right now as temperatures have changed with the change of seasons.

  • @lenac2284
    @lenac2284 Жыл бұрын

    I should also mention that I have been trying to bake my perfect sourdough loaf for over a year. I have had some close to ideal, but most not. And some very disappointing and even confusing. I feel like I am obsessed now with getting this right. Like how can I feel so defeated by bread?! How can something that seems so simple be so dang frustrating!? Haha. Clearly, due to all the videos like yours and others, sourdough is not easy at all. It takes a lot of work or you just get lucky sometimes. But damn it, if it does not drive me crazy trying to get it right! Thanks so much for all your videos. I have a lot of watching to do.

  • @thesourdoughjourney

    @thesourdoughjourney

    Жыл бұрын

    It is challenging. Check out my recent “sourdough apprentice” video with my brother. It is a great overview of the process and you may pick up some tips. kzread.info/dash/bejne/iYqZxLt-eJmZqLA.html

  • @lenac2284

    @lenac2284

    Жыл бұрын

    @@thesourdoughjourney I definitely will! Thank you again!

  • @lenac2284

    @lenac2284

    Жыл бұрын

    @@thesourdoughjourney Well, I just finished watching it. And you weren't kidding. I picked up a TON of great tips. No wonder my bread has not been coming out the way I would like. So many things I can change. I will say I did implement some of your tips from your other vids before watching this and made the best looking loaf ever last night. I still need to get organized to implement your other tips though. Can't wait to see how my bread improves. And that was so entertaining too. You two are hilarious together. And please don't take this the wrong way, but the entire show I kept hearing Stuart Smalley's voice. Your voice and his voice sound very similar. Maybe you are from the same part of the country. Same accent. It totally cracked me up: kzread.info/dash/bejne/hqNnm7h-Yqe3h5c.html That a very funny, very underrated movie. Thanks again!

  • @thomassievers5889
    @thomassievers5889 Жыл бұрын

    Great hints! The boost with rye was just what my starter needed 👌 Tnks!!

  • @thesourdoughjourney

    @thesourdoughjourney

    Жыл бұрын

    Thanks.

  • @thewraiths8963
    @thewraiths89632 жыл бұрын

    Very clear and understandable video. Thank you very much

  • @thesourdoughjourney

    @thesourdoughjourney

    2 жыл бұрын

    Thank you. Also check out my website at thesourdoughjourney.com.

  • @cristiansebastiancontreras7191
    @cristiansebastiancontreras71914 жыл бұрын

    Thank you so much for those amazing tips

  • @thesourdoughjourney

    @thesourdoughjourney

    4 жыл бұрын

    You’re welcome. Thank you for the feedback!

  • @scmarih
    @scmarih3 жыл бұрын

    Great information! Thank you for sharing.

  • @thesourdoughjourney

    @thesourdoughjourney

    3 жыл бұрын

    Thank you.

  • @Gwar7
    @Gwar73 жыл бұрын

    That's exactly what I needed, Thanks!

  • @thesourdoughjourney

    @thesourdoughjourney

    3 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for the feedback.

  • @elianeporfirio8663
    @elianeporfirio8663 Жыл бұрын

    Wow!! What a lesson. Thank you so much.

  • @thesourdoughjourney

    @thesourdoughjourney

    Жыл бұрын

    Thank you.

  • @ginaooi6522
    @ginaooi65224 жыл бұрын

    Enjoying your videos. Thanks!

  • @thesourdoughjourney

    @thesourdoughjourney

    4 жыл бұрын

    Thank you!

  • @eloisajose-baquet1413
    @eloisajose-baquet14133 жыл бұрын

    Very enlightening. Thank you!

  • @thesourdoughjourney

    @thesourdoughjourney

    3 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for the feedback.

  • @elizabethlowrey1976
    @elizabethlowrey19764 жыл бұрын

    Great tips! Much thanks.

  • @thesourdoughjourney

    @thesourdoughjourney

    4 жыл бұрын

    Thank you.

  • @rapatsaa
    @rapatsaa2 жыл бұрын

    Great video, thank you so much for this.

  • @thesourdoughjourney

    @thesourdoughjourney

    2 жыл бұрын

    Thank you.

  • @jenniferbowman7813
    @jenniferbowman78137 ай бұрын

    I just commented…and magically you started talking about adding wheat flour or Rye…..thank you, I’ll keep listening!! Peak to peak! Got it!!

  • @thesourdoughjourney

    @thesourdoughjourney

    7 ай бұрын

    Thanks!

  • @jenniferbowman7813

    @jenniferbowman7813

    7 ай бұрын

    Do you sell starter?

  • @tskstar
    @tskstar3 жыл бұрын

    Congrats from Brazil, Tom. These videos you posted are really helpful and make everything clear. It's not just a "cake recipe" like we usually see in the youtube, it's a masterclass to make you walk with your own legs and understanding all the yeast behavior. Thanks for investiment your time producing such a good material!

  • @thesourdoughjourney

    @thesourdoughjourney

    3 жыл бұрын

    Thank you for the feedback. I appreciate it. I am trying to help beginners understand how and why things happen.

  • @ankaracatalca
    @ankaracatalca3 жыл бұрын

    Such a clear mind.

  • @thesourdoughjourney

    @thesourdoughjourney

    3 жыл бұрын

    Thank you.

  • @catmintable
    @catmintable4 жыл бұрын

    Great information, thanks.

  • @thesourdoughjourney

    @thesourdoughjourney

    4 жыл бұрын

    Thank you!

  • @kaylynnosburn4305
    @kaylynnosburn4305 Жыл бұрын

    Wow you sure know how to make a helpful video! God bless you! Thank you

  • @thesourdoughjourney

    @thesourdoughjourney

    Жыл бұрын

    Thank you!

  • @pattyinsandy
    @pattyinsandy8 ай бұрын

    Very good.Thank you Tom❤

  • @thesourdoughjourney

    @thesourdoughjourney

    8 ай бұрын

    Thanks.

  • @MyAlbertC
    @MyAlbertC11 ай бұрын

    Very nice, I appreciate the science teaching methods. 😊

  • @thesourdoughjourney

    @thesourdoughjourney

    11 ай бұрын

    Thank you. Also check out my website.

  • @kubolkudesai
    @kubolkudesai2 жыл бұрын

    "Nothing just feeding my starter, nothing to see here" really funny :). I love the mistake approach of yours it is like Frank Zappa - firstly he studied how not to play the guitar, to later become a guitar master.

  • @thesourdoughjourney

    @thesourdoughjourney

    2 жыл бұрын

    That's a great example.

  • @salparap
    @salparap3 жыл бұрын

    Hello Tom and everybody! I've used sourdough for baking bread quite often in the past years, but I have always been following my grandma's recipe, which means 1. baking without weighing much (at all actually), 2. using a levain, 3. using a variety of flour called yellow flour (which is supposed to be ideal for baking bread here, Greece) and 4. a lot of kneading, all this resulting in a more sour and dense rustic bread, with is very tasty. Recently, I started experimenting trying to achieve this amazing sourdough loaves I see on the I internet. I haven't achieved that yet and it's partially because of many mistakes I do, like flour substitution, not sticking to a recipe etc etc. I am working on improving myself and thank you for helping me on my sourdough journey, BUT there's a few things I'd like to ask. I have 2 kinds of sourdough starters, one homemade that is 4 months old and another one, very old one. I maintain both of them in the refrigerator and since I like using them interchangeably, I end up feeding them every 2 (max.3) weeks. When I remove them from the refrigerator, they always have a grey hooch on top and a strong alcohol/acetic smell. After adding flour to them (in a 1:2,5:2,5 ratio) and leaving them at a room temp. of 20-24° C , I have noticed that they take too long to rise, they don't always double during the first feed and they end up looking hungry. Have they become weak? Which one of the ways you show on your video is best to use in order to strengthen them? Can I ever regain their lost strength or make them even stronger than they used to be? Should I keep maintaining them in the refrigerator? Any tips or videos regarding the fridge maintenance method? Waiting for your reply :)

  • @thesourdoughjourney

    @thesourdoughjourney

    3 жыл бұрын

    Thank you. Good questions. If your starter is hooch covered coming out of the fridge, it is very hungry. Most people try to do 3 or 4 feedings before baking. I recommend the peak to peak method two days before baking. Watch the starter after each feeding and shortly after it peaks, discard and feed again. Do this three or four times before baking. This is a common method many bakers employ. Also, from time to time, you can do a more intensive strengthening program on your starter (for example, every few months). There is not prescriptive method, but I demonstrate a great example of this in the first part of this video. kzread.info/dash/bejne/dn1k0NuKoNTgn7w.html My starter strength doubled and stayed quite strong after this program. You should only need to do something like this infrequently.

  • @salparap

    @salparap

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@thesourdoughjourney Thanks for the reply! I will follow your advice :)

  • @solomon1052
    @solomon10524 жыл бұрын

    Great work the real illustration helps allot

  • @thesourdoughjourney

    @thesourdoughjourney

    4 жыл бұрын

    Thank you.

  • @kevinkimball715
    @kevinkimball715 Жыл бұрын

    The video is very informative and I really appreciated the visual of what the starter looks like at the different stages. As noted in an earlier comment, I too have a cold kitchen (~68 degrees F). At a 1:1:1 feeding ratio, my starter rises, but only about 30%. That makes it hard to see a peak. I get more of a noticeable rise at higher feeding ratios (e.g., 1:3:3), but as expected it takes 24 hours to reach that peak. I’ll try rigging something up to put the starter in a warmer environment (at 1:1:1) to see if I can get it to double in the 4 to 6 hours, then adjust feeding time for the kitchen temperature.

  • @thesourdoughjourney

    @thesourdoughjourney

    Жыл бұрын

    Thanks! A slow-rising starter is not necessarily weak, just cool. The temperature really impacts the rise time, not that is not a true indicator of “strength”. Strong starters will rise slowly if they are cool.

  • @kevinkimball715

    @kevinkimball715

    Жыл бұрын

    @@thesourdoughjourney I think I'll take some discard, feed it at 1:1:1, and put it in my oven on "proofing" and see how it rises. I believe my proofing cycle is at 80 degrees. That may tell me if I should bulk proof my sourdough bread in the oven. If the starter doesn't rise much, then I'll need to strengthen it.

  • @thesourdoughjourney

    @thesourdoughjourney

    Жыл бұрын

    80 is a good temp for bulk fermentation and proofing. If your oven can hold that temp, that is good.

  • @valjalava1951
    @valjalava1951 Жыл бұрын

    Yes thanks so much

  • @thesourdoughjourney

    @thesourdoughjourney

    Жыл бұрын

    🙂

  • @davewatson3833
    @davewatson38334 жыл бұрын

    Excellent, thank you!

  • @thesourdoughjourney

    @thesourdoughjourney

    4 жыл бұрын

    You are welcome!

  • @jbridgehall4
    @jbridgehall45 ай бұрын

    Thank you! Now I get it!!

  • @thesourdoughjourney

    @thesourdoughjourney

    5 ай бұрын

    Great!

  • @larainehaswell2471
    @larainehaswell24713 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for the science love your videos

  • @thesourdoughjourney

    @thesourdoughjourney

    3 жыл бұрын

    Thank you for the feedback.

  • @ecs5809
    @ecs58096 ай бұрын

    I'm a little late to the party, but thank you so much for this incredibly informative video!

  • @thesourdoughjourney

    @thesourdoughjourney

    6 ай бұрын

    Thanks. There are some additional tools here now too. thesourdoughjourney.com/research/

  • @Bee_Cathy
    @Bee_Cathy2 жыл бұрын

    Very informative. I have done all the mistakes except add commercial yeast. 😂 Tomorrow we start the strengthening process. Your video is very helpful.

  • @thesourdoughjourney

    @thesourdoughjourney

    2 жыл бұрын

    Thank you. Also check out the first 20 minutes of this video. kzread.info/dash/bejne/dn1k0NuKoNTgn7w.html

  • @chimanchoi7069
    @chimanchoi70692 жыл бұрын

    Revisiting your videos. Still find it very informative! You should write a book. Looking forward to your next videos.

  • @thesourdoughjourney

    @thesourdoughjourney

    2 жыл бұрын

    Thanks!

  • @newtboys
    @newtboys2 жыл бұрын

    I love this channel, particularly as a fellow geek.

  • @thesourdoughjourney

    @thesourdoughjourney

    2 жыл бұрын

    Thank you!

  • @shirleydtaylor6846
    @shirleydtaylor6846 Жыл бұрын

    Thankyou so much for your info.

  • @thesourdoughjourney

    @thesourdoughjourney

    Жыл бұрын

    Thank you.

  • @teslarex
    @teslarex10 ай бұрын

    Thank You Professor!

  • @thesourdoughjourney

    @thesourdoughjourney

    10 ай бұрын

    You are welcome!

  • @77goanywhere
    @77goanywhere2 жыл бұрын

    I find that by occasionally changing the flour used in my starter helps to keep it strong. I sometimes feed with rye flour, another time with wholemeal wheat. This way there are always new varieties of microbes being introduced.

  • @thesourdoughjourney

    @thesourdoughjourney

    2 жыл бұрын

    I also mix a very wet mix from time to time. I find it does help to change things up occasionally, but my starter does not do as well when I change up flours too frequently.

  • @donnabailey929
    @donnabailey9294 ай бұрын

    I have had my starter given to me little over two weeks ago Couldn’t talk to the person who made it. It wasn’t doing a lot except bubbling. So this past Sunday I gave her a combination of bread flour and dark rye. Holy Moly she went crazy. In just a few hours she doubled and more. Then I fed her regular bread flour for 3 days. She doesn’t do much except bubble again. Should I keep giving her a combination until she doubles every four hours for 3-4 days? Love watching your videos. Learning so much

  • @thesourdoughjourney

    @thesourdoughjourney

    4 ай бұрын

    Yes. Starters react to different flours. But I’d try to go of up to full strength, then you can wean it off of that flour, sometimes and feed it bread flour or all purpose. But do the transition slowly.

  • @MilahanPhilosophersCorner
    @MilahanPhilosophersCorner Жыл бұрын

    Educational. Thank you.

  • @thesourdoughjourney

    @thesourdoughjourney

    Жыл бұрын

    Thank you. Also check out my website at thesourdoughjourney,com for more info.

  • @creativeplanetjanet
    @creativeplanetjanet3 жыл бұрын

    @The Sourdough Journey, 27:46 You made me laugh out loud! 😃 And then the aliens, hahaha. You're good with word pictures. Thanks for helping me get this sourdough feeding stuff in my head enough to wrap my mind around it.

  • @thesourdoughjourney

    @thesourdoughjourney

    3 жыл бұрын

    Glad you enjoyed it

  • @LookitCrows
    @LookitCrows2 жыл бұрын

    This was exactly what I was looking for

  • @thesourdoughjourney

    @thesourdoughjourney

    2 жыл бұрын

    Thanks. You may also be interested in this kzread.info/dash/bejne/i2SDsdiCl6bKqZc.html And, please check out this page on my new website at thesourdoughjourney.com/faq-starter-strengthening/

  • @magnustorque5528
    @magnustorque55282 жыл бұрын

    Great video as always ! I feed my starter 1:4:4 and it doubles in 4 hours. If I feed it 1:2:2 it doubles in about 2 hours. My starter is 50% rye / 50% all purpose

  • @thesourdoughjourney

    @thesourdoughjourney

    2 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for the feedback. Sounds like you have a strong starter.

  • @jd64064
    @jd640647 ай бұрын

    Thank you, thank you, thank you!

  • @thesourdoughjourney

    @thesourdoughjourney

    7 ай бұрын

    Thanks. Also check this out. thesourdoughjourney.com/how-to-strengthen-and-deacidify-a-weak-starter-the-peak-to-peak-method/

  • @jd64064

    @jd64064

    7 ай бұрын

    I did the peak to peak and it worked wonderfully!@@thesourdoughjourney

  • @anaconnors3490
    @anaconnors34902 жыл бұрын

    Great video!

  • @thesourdoughjourney

    @thesourdoughjourney

    2 жыл бұрын

    Thank you!

  • @davidnguiingyant
    @davidnguiingyant2 жыл бұрын

    Hi Tom, greetings from Malaysia. I put my starter on the rack in the oven with an ice gel on the bottom to cool down and at my best to maintain the temperature around 24-28℃, each ice gel can last around 5 hours, so i would replace with a fresh ice gel.

  • @thesourdoughjourney

    @thesourdoughjourney

    2 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for the feedback. I know it is a challenge to bake sourdough in a warm kitchen. I use the ice pack method in the summer to keep my dough cool during bulk fermentation. Thanks!

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