I got it and couldn't do it again because I was laughing too hard

@DaneDavisYT

5 жыл бұрын

Holobrine same...

@danielconde4419

4 жыл бұрын

I also laughed because of the emotion that I was actually nailing it

@lordvoldemort5725

4 жыл бұрын

Daniel Conde Loll same. I was like “Did I do that?”

@harveyallen3709

3 жыл бұрын

Same lol

@moistness482

3 жыл бұрын

👌

I'd also like to compliment you on how clearly you explain everything. There's hardly any 'um's and ah's which is quite an accomplishment. People can have all the knowledge in the world but when they can't link a sentence together smoothly it ruins everything. So thank you for being so easy to listen to!

@davidlarson3905

8 жыл бұрын

I'd like to thank you for complimenting on that... because I have worked on improving that A LOT. I used to talk just as quickly as I do now, but I would throw in about 3 times more "Ums". So thank you for appreciating tha!

@MrDOOlevrai

7 жыл бұрын

Now I know why the video was nice : You were understandable. AND CALM FOR FUCK'S SAKE. I hete those teachers who speak nervously with that quick voice, using their head voice to insist on words (it's just the way they talk, they don't do it on purpose). Or they are falsely cool. There has been a great channel (New York something), I found it and it's nice. But since I discovered the low voice techniques, I didn't find anything. And when I heard you, singing that subharmonic... Well I'm very happy, because I can already hit a C2 with my chest voice, so imagine when (if) I master subharmonics... I would be SOOOOO HAPPY. And your video made it clear. Actually, it's a bit like the falsetto, I find. ^^ That sudden apparition of the note, something you don't master at all, in the beginning.

@MrDOOlevrai

7 жыл бұрын

Yeah that was quite a chaotic comment. it's 1:41 in the morning, so I guess it's the reason.

@tylerharper1927

4 жыл бұрын

@@davidlarson3905bro I can do it just not at the same volume as the original note, am I doing it wrong?

I can do it now. The switch is like a falsetto. Key note: b completely relaxed. It feels natural and not forced

Yes, what David said about trying to push into the sub-harmonic is absolutely right. You cant produce it by squeezing/pushing or dropping your larynx, and it doesn't work like a regular'chest note. You literally gotta add one 5th of a note higher on top of your clean note and only while sustaining BOTH and adding fry (controlled fry to the clean note)you can actually induce those over/undertones.

@limitless5822

2 жыл бұрын

I can drop my larynx to make it though?

@inceptionsd

2 жыл бұрын

@@limitless5822 What i meant to say is dropping the larynx further to sing a lower note. It is possible but you have to be already in subharmonic fry (doing scales for example). So, when you initiate the subharmonics then you can drop the larynx further 5o sing really low notes like g1, f1,e1 but the transition from clean voice to subharmonic is not achieved the conventional way, you gotta stay on the same note.

I'm a high mezzo/soprano and lately have been really frustrated about not being able to sing low (to a D3 on good days, F3/G3 on not so good days), trying this I just reached G2!! That's huge for me :D I am definitely going to practise some more carefully/slowly.

Thanks a million for the videos and the links to other channels David. I'm new to this technique but your clarity and enthusiasm is very helpful!!

@davidlarson3905

8 жыл бұрын

Thank you for your comment! I really appreciate it! I'm glad this stuff is helpful, stick around my channel and because I will soon be putting up some very interesting and cool videos that I'm sure you would enjoy. Thanks again!

Just want to let you know that you are incredibly helpful and talented and pretty much the only person on the whole of the internet that gets me to understand this. Thank you so much and keep up the good work!

@davidlarson3905

8 жыл бұрын

Thanks I really appreciate your support! Glad I'm able to help!

Honestly no idea what subharmonic were till I stumbled on your reacting to beatboxers video, then I spent the past week looking for clear instructions how to do it and thanks to this video and how easily you made it to understand I'm starting to get how to do this! This is awesome my dude

I’ve been trying for months with no success, your video got me to break into it. You got a subscriber for sure!

Your vids, and those of like 2 other youtubers have helped me a ton when learning this! Made a bunch of progress after a few practice sessions due to them. When I first hit it I was surprised by it too. It just happens, without you actually dropping the octave. How I check if I'm doing a fry vs. subharmonic, is my subharmonics I feel in my chest as well as my throat. When only doing a fry, I don't feel the vibration in my chest. Plus subharmonic sounds more pure of a note (to me atleast). Finally able to get into the register without having to drop into it like when I first started doing it. It's like my throat knows what I'm going for and sets everything up before I sing a note. I know this vid is old, but thank you for these!

Hey David. I have been taking vocal lessons for four years and my range that I have reached is F4-B0. I've also been trying out the false chords you mentioned in your other videos and I have reached pretty much from C2 to B0. This video has given me more awareness for my technique as well. Thank you so much for this. I hope I get to see more videos similar to this one in the future! Thanks.

Thank you for this clarification omg I finally hit it after watching like 7 tutorials Edit: and I lost it

Another great video! I thought that at 30 I was doomed to stay around the D2 or C2. Guess I was wrong. I have been driving my wife bonkers with this. Now a moment of being the smart-aleck: I knew there was something my voice professor wasn't telling me when I was a voice major a couple years ago! Honestly though: I am glad that you, Mr. Yang and the others have videos like this. Gives me something to work on outside of school. Looking forward to your next video and thanks again. This gem of a technique has breathed new life into my instrumental and vocal music life.

@davidlarson3905

8 жыл бұрын

I'm so happy to hear this man, I really appreciate your comment! I can't wait to put out more videos soon, I'm sure you will enjoy them!

Youre special. The way you tell stories, demostrate, catch a abstract sense from the air, clarify vague things… theyre lovely. Not something i see anywhere

Thanks so much, i've been trying to get good with this technique and finally, after 2 months i finally have it down! I can reach a D1 with Subharmonics, which was my goal! Thanks and keep it up :)

This is the best tutorial out there wow! was able to record myself and get this technique understood in a day. Great video!

DUDE! I LOVE YOU! I was sad 'cause i didn't get this, I was always fallin into vocal fry and I was like "damn it". And with this video, suddenly I got it! Thank you so much, man.

Thank you for your videos! Very informative and well presented. Also your enthusiasm is great.

Just discovered this channel and I'm so glad I did. This was super helpful

That was amazing! Thank you so much! Before I kept going into vocal fry but after watching this my voice did it correctly for a bit!

Dude, I don’t know much about singing and just did it on the first try you explained it so well. Actually crazy experience

Big thank you to yourself and Greg Bystritski! I got my first subharmonics, pretty exciting and like you say they really do surprise you. Cheers!

Wooooooo! Finally managed a subharmonic this morning after a month or so of practice. I tried starting on an A2 with my pitch app, and I could hear and feel the A1 popping through. It's still difficult to focus on amplifying that lower pitch, but it's definitely there. Can't wait to see if I can get it more consistently.

This video (6 years past) definitely made it easier to understand the difference between Vocal Fry and Subharmonics. I’ve been doing it fry the past couple weeks and thought it was subharmonics! (Obviously I heard a difference to what I was listening and singing to. Though I wanted subharmonics, learning fry for a few weeks definitely gave me a feel for bass singing and the want to increase range to sing along to VoicePlay and Geoff Castellucci’s bass covers.

Contralto here with a range similar to a tenor. Thank you so much for posting this update. Focusing on sustaining the note was the missing piece for me. On the first day, I got it to pop in and out which is how I knew I was doing it right instead of just using fry. Day 2 and I got it to pop in for a full four count. So excited!

@SamWillBenchYa

3 ай бұрын

voice timbre and overtones are probably higher and lighter than a tenor though.

Whenever I do this it just sounds like the exact same note just rougher.

@marcopezzin3932

7 жыл бұрын

I got the same problem here. After practicing a while i thought i had found the right tension in my voice so that it wouldn't crack into vocal fry. But then i realized the note i was singing was the same one (i started with a B2) and not an octave below, it was just more rough. Is this normal? Maybe i just have to practice more..

@vladimirlucifer4566

5 жыл бұрын

@@marcopezzin3932 Nope. You both just have a tendency to overtone and overtone, you have an independent fundamental note. When I do this, I can hear my overtone going below my voice and being an undertone, but it doesn't mix with the fundamental.

Pretty cool I've never seen a description of throat bass(how the Beatbox community refers to it ) like this . Quality content!

Yo I learned this back in 2016 and forgot about it until recently. Such a satisfying feeling in the throat

I got it at first and was very surprised by it like you said. Then I tried again and struggled to maintain it for more than a second or two. Any tips?

@Shuhister

5 жыл бұрын

Even worse... I've lost an octave and when it appears it is more of dissonance...

@pinesyeet

3 жыл бұрын

Focus. Focus on your tension and focus on holding the note steady. Since it lies in such a small place between normal vocal and fry it's really good to just try to really feel your voice when you get it. Also resist the urge to get the subharmonic back with anything other than tension.

@tissuepaper9962

2 жыл бұрын

Resist the urge to use your breath control to keep the low note going! Breath has nothing to do with it. If you start fucking around with your breath you lose the fundamental note and slip into fry.

@SamWillBenchYa

3 ай бұрын

@@tissuepaper9962 total opposite for me.

Hey dude! I'm a pro singer in a Frankie Valli group and i sing the bass part - I have always sang bass (2nd bass in my chamber choir) but i never really got lower than F2 or E2.. sometimes Eb2 on a very good day but i would love to try and crack this sub harmonic range. I have spent a good half an hour trying it this evening using the tips you have provided and it seems like i am making progress. Would i be able to send you across some voice clips so you can advise whether i am on the right path or not? I would be eternally greatful! I think your channel is superb by the way - you have a killer voice and are also a great teacher! Keep up the good work buddy 👏

@creatioexnihilo6599

5 жыл бұрын

@Baran Koç Profundos vary widely on their bottom. It's not a contest BTW. If you switch to head for C#4 (C4 is chest), you, and I are a profundos.

@disturbed4everluke

5 жыл бұрын

@Baran Koç not true...bass range is e2 to e4.

@shagstars

4 жыл бұрын

@Baran Koç Doesn't have to be, they sing from e2-e4 without using much tension and can do it all day (so they can go lower or higher but on a good day or with a lot of tension).

@hai965

4 жыл бұрын

@@disturbed4everluke E2 with power and volume.

@disturbed4everluke

4 жыл бұрын

@@hai965 sure i'd expect that you should be able to sing atleast a c#2 with your breathy bottom note before you could be called a bass. but if we're being technical a voice type is about tonal color and your passagie, not your range. you can be a tenor that can sing an e2 (though rare) but you're still a tenor if your voice is light and transistions around an e4. the same is true for a bass...if your tone is dark and heavy and you transition around a c4 (like creatio said) you're a bass...

I had thyroid cancer for 30 years. I can go right down and pretty much sing low notes without trying subharmonic haha or fry. I can make my bass notes echo outdoors when I sing. They spread out and travel. Soon I will post a BASSO PROFUNDO or Oktavist range clip of me singing.

@Jefferson-ly5qe

7 жыл бұрын

Damn, thyroid cancer is starting to sound pretty appealing...

@Miatpi

7 жыл бұрын

Really? Can't wait for the clip then.

@MultiKamil97

6 жыл бұрын

Chris W I just checked out your covers and you are nowhere near a basso profundo. You're barely even a high bass man.

Ah!!! In the first minute I got it! And now I am struggling. It was so cool and it works! Thank you so much.

Great Vid, well put man. The feel is actually quite funny. And wow SUPER clean vibration mode entrainments just before bout the 5 minute point! Kudos. I might suggest to actually find the fry, and distinguish for newcomers (again I've been doing this a long time myself, those clips I sent you, erh Ill just say that they didn't work out for a few reasons, but thats not me aiming at normal sub). But yeah Id add maybe to try humming a specific note, and to lower air pressure until you feel it break into fry. Play with fry, and onset transition to other registers, and try to isolate a single vocal fold. Then try to sing an octave lower in fry with one fold, and the normal note with the other. Play around, like David shows here the transitions can be very smoothed out, but dont worry to much about it at first, and you can start either with the modal or fry note, which ever you feel out best. (And yes Im serious guys lol you can control your folds seperately, its strange. Actually I have a theory as to why ingressive stable pulse phonation is not biphonic, IE why its the fundamental. Again I have a link if you want it) Also be aware that the tension can be sometimes from dampening, sometimes by the false folds, which can create subharmonics (not just kagyraa, very smooth) of theyre own. Not neccesarily a bad thing, but you'll feel it more in the "spectrum" if sorta makes sense lol. Also I might add, not to confuse people, but you can accompplish next to indistinguishable sounding subharmonics using false folds in similar decoupled fashion. Both are often used to imitate Tibetan chanting. I use to growl so I know the feeling of activating them, and which is which per se. I can provide citations, Im aware that's not way your trying to teach it though, all I'm saying is its a well documented phenomena as well, but I will say Im not saying your flat out just using it, and for newbies out there, guys dont sweat it. Just follow his tips, they're very solid I highly recommend them. :)

dude thank you so much for this and your other videos! very helpful

What worked for me was that I tried the other way around. Started with the fry and then chest voice. Hopes this helpes someone. However, thanks David!

Yes, this helps a lot. It's easy to get it now but it's hard to control and keep the pitch the same.

Thanks so much for the great explanation! This technique is amazing.

If you are struggling with getting directly to sub register, try training your regular fry first - just do a lot of fry to become more comfortable with it. make it juicier, more relaxed, stable, and easy to switch to. After some time, your control abilities in that low register will develop, and one day you'll just suddenly hit the spot. Don't forget about what the guy said, without the fundamental note it will be just a fry.

Super helpful amazing!! Given me inspiration to aim for that clean trajectory

Holy crap! It works! Genius! Thanks man!

I did it for the first time!!! Thank you for this great video!!!

Really cool technique and a really helpful video about it! I got it 3 times today for a few seconds and hopefully i can get better in a bit of time even though i just wanna be able to do it for shits and giggles.

Omg , your method worked . Surprised 😱😱, thanks

Really cool stuff!!!

Omg this is amazing! Thanks man!

so David question...finally after a.few months I reached this and am now getting it (was reaching for the lower note. I can cotrol my fry well, Ala tim storms, but like the sub harmonic tone better) is it normal that my modal register be lower after practicing sub harmonics, or does this indicate vocal fatigue and strain (should I stop when the pit,h drop occurs in my modal register) thanks! love your bass stuff!

Thank you for these videos I'm in 7th grade and with these techniques I'm able to sing an A1 and at the beginning of last year I could barely hit an F3 This has helped me a lot with choir and I would just like to say thanks

@Rycodasavage

5 жыл бұрын

Zayn Siddique im in 8th and I can sing a b2 my lowest, it’s hard for me to learn

@lightfeyr1514

4 жыл бұрын

I can sing a G6

@malifalitic0

4 жыл бұрын

@@lightfeyr1514 it's pretty low haha

@cadenlagestee9160

2 жыл бұрын

Hello 6 years later 😂

The sound of the sub harmonic reminds me of a technique used in reed organ construction where they use a reed pitched a perfect fourth below the actual note to achieve the lower octave. Every time one hears two sounds he/she is hearing both the sum of their frequency and the subtraction of those. Do the math and you get that f1-f2= f1/4. A frequency two octave lower with its own harmonics.

very good explanation, thank you! So, sub-harmonic bass is the same as strohbass, right?

Your awesome I headed for practice ryt after ur vedio And surprisingly I could hit an E1 in no time ....thank you so much

Wow man! It kind of worked for me, though the note I got weren't as boomy as your's but the texture was same. I also know Buddist monks use this registers all the time, during chanting, it just creates an eerie magical nd calm ambience around the place when they do it unanimously.

I do this in a lot of my songs - I was just calling it vocal fry but I guess I'll call it 'subharmonic' singing from now on 🤷‍♂️ Dig your stuff!

Fantastic vid man! This is really working!

@davidlarson3905

8 жыл бұрын

Thanks man, glad to hear it!!

What are you thoughts about achieving it while inhaling? I seem to have found better control doing it while inhaling (won't use it like that since if make pronouncing words harder) but was just interested to know your thoughts about it

this is really useful if you wanna learn tuvan kargyraa throat singing, thanks!

finally got it! thanks man

This is SUPER helpful. I've been trying to teach some of the guys in my choir so we could have some cool sounding basses, but they have a lot of trouble trying to learn this. I realize now that they are all doing exactly what you said, and i now know what to fix for them. Thanks dude!!

@davidlarson3905

8 жыл бұрын

Awesome man, glad to hear it! Hope it works out for all of you!

@syllavr4584

8 жыл бұрын

Thanks dude!

@Jefferson-ly5qe

5 жыл бұрын

Did you get it to work?

When he said "you'll get surprised", I immediately get surprised

Duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuude yes thank you!!!

Thank you! The first video was no help but this one was! First attempt: it happened for a second. Third attempt: sustained C!

I've been experimenting and watching KZread for the past few days and came to think of it as blending the note with the scratchy back throat sound 😅 I practiced them both separately and then "blended" them together. It works well for me to think of it like this. Maybe that can help someone. I'm currently working on blending for longer and sustaining it. Any tips on that? Warm ups? Breathing exercises?

oh snap i got it within my first five minutes! thanks man!!! ill keep practicing

Hey David, did you ever look into kargyraa? I've been trying to learn it for years but can't find my way around the pain.

you are a good teacher

Dude your eyes! o-o I'm hooked!

Holy crickets kid, it worked -- thanks!

Hello there. I am a female that suffers from chronic bronchitis-COPD. This just means that everything down in that area is always a bit swollen. Good & bad days like anyone. I am a soprano. I've always been very high, with a very nice chest voice for when there are not enough Alto 1 & Alto 2. A bit of range. Well, suffice it to say that I quit singing for a few years because I was tired of the loss of breath control. Fast forward to October this year and here I am working on my breath control. Tired of denying songstress self. I've almost got all of the top of my voice, and have found that the middle is completely confused, working on that one. But, I have found that I'm trying some low notes that I never sang before. I was trained to stay up in my head/falsetto voice. That's hard to do and go low. It's too quiet, so my chest voice is getting some workouts. That does seem to make the front of my neck a bit sore, muscle-wise. Weird, I know. Any suggestions on clearing the crud in the upper chest voice? I never really used it before. (New to me). I always used my upper head voice to go down. (That is unless I was doing the 2nd Alto thing.). Any insight would be appreciated. Thanx, Mindy

Hey David! I don’t know if you still use your channel, but I’ve been trying to figure out this register for a while now. I just found this video which was the most helpful but I was wondering what you meant by tension. I am a bass but am most comfortable as a baritone. Next year at my school I will be the only bass and want to be enough to do so. If you have any more tips, please share!

Is it the same when you sing in your falsetto and you kinda voice crack/flip into your chest voice on accident? Should it feel like that?

David I really need your help.choir and singing mean so much to me its how I get my mind off of things and how I relieve stress and singing makes me smile.I am a bass and I've watched everyone of your videos for subharmonic singing and I still haven't gotten it. I dont get what is supposed to happen are you supposed to since like a c3 or a3 and just wait until the subharmonic note comes.I am taking choir all 4 years of high school and I really want to learn this technique before highschool.I hope you understand how important singing is to me.please help me I really need your help. please reply I really need help.I want to get better and better in singing.singing just makes me so happy and I want to get better at it

Thank you so much for your good explaining! I was really surprised once my voice dropped in subharmonic! xD

@davidlarson3905

8 жыл бұрын

Awesome! I'm so glad to hear that this is a big help for some people!

Oh man I just realised I could do this before, and I used it every day :)

Is it weird that I can easily sing the note you did with subharmonics using my chest voice? When I try using this technique it sounds like a mixture between what it's supposed to and vocal fry, isit supposed to do that, or is my voice just really deep? Thanks :D

I seem to have a bit of an issue. When I transition into subharmonic I only go down seven notes instead of a full octave. I can’t figure out why and any advice would be greatly appreciated.

I think the best tip with this is to be PATIENT! I started practicing about a year and a half ago and couldn’t produce the sound, and if I could it would be for a split second or it would goin and out. Practice at least 20 min a day and in about a year you’ll notice you can hold the notes for a good few seconds or maybe longer. I can now hold a subharmonic note until I almost run out of breath and can easily swap between chest register and subharmonic register

(4:47) Going along with this part while doing the switch between helps me alot

So i recently tried this subhormonic bass singing ( i dont sing at all and im not a bass or even an alto i think) anyhow i tried this and after a few tries i got it! Its awesome however i realized i have done this by accient and i thought it was my voice cracking but in fact it was subhermonic bass and never realized it before today !

4:45 i just started smiling so much, i can sing the lowest in my choir at D2 and i just love music, great video!

@davidlarson3905

7 жыл бұрын

Mark Moawad Thanks so much! Glad it's helped you!

@Jefferson-ly5qe

7 жыл бұрын

Haha, you would blow their brains with a D1

@DanielElson

6 жыл бұрын

I can hit a b1 but I can't do subharmonics with that Is it because I'm 15, do I have to wait for my voice to fully mature?

I'm a bass in a high school choir, and I have been practicing subharmonics for about 2 weeks, and I recently finally figured it out. If not for your videos I never would have. Much appreciation for you and your videos(:

I really want to sing a C2 but I can only get down to a C#2 on a good day.any tips to get that last note I want without altering the tone of my chest voice? I sing to way down with j d sumner but I can only start the not In chest and end up with an all be it strong fry

wow it feels amazing when u hit that 🤩

After you found your subharmonic register, how did you learn to control it and actually use this range for singing or speaking smoothly?

Ok so I have experimented with vocal fry before. The note I’m trying to hit w subharmony I can hit easily but it didn’t surprise when I hit subharmony. I knew what vocal fry was and just added a little of that to the original note without even focusing on the lower note 👍

OMG THANK YOU SO MUCH

As your vocal folds are clashing in the subharmonic register (I quess so), could there be damage on the vocal folds in the long run?

Great example of beat frequencies :)

This is cool can it be done with falsetto subharmonics as that would be really handy. I can get really low now do a D1 is the lowest but I can constantly hit a F1 and can sing at the C2 and up and almost can the octave down but it’s only my first time trying this.

bro it works lol, I'm so excited rn haha

Whats crazy is I was hitting subharmonics without physically changing my voice to hit the 5th, I was hitting subharmonics just from switching the octave. Of course I learned the other way on how to do it by singing the fundamental then the fifth at the same time and then frying later on, but I was singing the subharmonic exactly the same even before I learned it. I’m not sure if this is a good thing or not, but this is just my experience.

*I've watched video after video after video, but after watching this I learned how to do this!!! To tbose who are new and still learnint, basically you have to GROWL the same growl as what you what say in your normal speaking voice. I didnt know what vocal fry was, but its basically a growl. Sing a certain pitch.... Then growl that pitch, then put the two together. It will take some practice but it works!*

@The_CIA

2 жыл бұрын

Now dont try and do this with normal speaking voice, speak woth lower vlice and gowl the lower tones and put them together!

@The_CIA

2 жыл бұрын

4:46 - hold your tone with him.... Then growl. Then combine the two!

4:48!! !Very clean!

What sorcery is this?? I’ve been a singer all my life and lapsing into fry has always been a challenge with lower notes. But I was able to do this after a couple of tries. Amazing!

Damn dude what kind of equipment do you have going on in the background there? Looks like a pretty awesome workshop you've got set up.

tenor here. have always used vocal fry to "sing" an e2 in one of my favorite songs and for the longest time, i wondered why carrying on to a supposedly higher note in chest voice felt like i was going DOWN when the next note is an a2! now i finally understand that it's because "frying" an e2 requires me to sing an e3, and going from e3 to a2 is obviously a drop in pitch... so satisfying to finally understand this. now wondering if it's worth perfecting my e2 using subs considering the downward jump in this song is still very sudden and i literally can't use subs anywhere else (no bass notes from me lmao). hmm...

just did subharmonics bc of this thx

Can you sing melodies in the register? Can you learn to switch between the normal register and subharmonic freely? For me it feels like the subharmonic register is not loud enough compared to the normal one

Hi ,david! are you naturally tenor?? what the lowest note you can hit in a chest?

Hmm, could you explain the soft palate and pharynx position? Placement and compression etc, i mean i can do vocal fry but nothing is happening. Are you also starting from a closed vocal fold position, meaning holding your breath while pushing out and letting only some air through creating the fry, or dtarting from an open position, simply frying without trying to hold the vocal folds closed? And the fry you can move it from the throat up into the mouth and even into the nose, where should it be?😂 so many questions haha

Are you able to do a video in which you demonstrate the difference between how a "subharmonic" note sounds and how a modal/"chest" note mixed with vocal fry sounds. As a bass, I sing down to a C2 or B-flat in clean modal voice, then from B-flat I'd be mixing fry gradually in, reaching a G1 with reasonable resonance. Then from the F# the amount of fry starts getting too much and the pitch gets indistinct. But who needs to sing below a G1 anyway? If it's low enough for Glenn Miller it's low enough, right? But in what I'm describing I don't experience any "octave flip". I just sing down and blend chest and fry, keeping as much chest in the sound as possible if I want quality. The way you describe what you're doing makes it sound very different (though I'm not sure the vocal tone sounds all that different - other than yours sounding nicer than most people's).

How would I show you a video of my attempt at this? I have tried a lot, and I believe slipped into the register once, but I can't find it anymore and I only go from fry to chest. I've done everything in the video, but the register is still quite elusive.