This is the best tutorial on coils I’ve seen

Thanks for the help, its my first time doin suicide coils, & this really helped

I like this guy!! Great work!! Thank you!

Thank you Joseph, you help keep road users safer, including the driver.

Appreciate the info & your time

This was very helpful brother Keep the good informational videos coming Thank you so much God bless you

I begin my trucking career in three days. I appreciate the incite.

Some of my best days in trucking were my flatbed days 🎉

Great job on explaining and demonstrating.

I wish all drivers were as conscientious and thorough as this guy. Nice work Sir.

Love you for that valuable information bro

the chains seem more angled than I would do it. I would have the chains more pulling down. But hey i might be wrong, Im not claiming im the expert, that is why I am watching these videos. Very good video and very informative.

@nedevfreight

Жыл бұрын

Your are right! That method is wrong to me, that’s why he need 8 chains. And I’m not that sure that they hold enough too.

Beautiful video. I used to work for Melton years ago but I have my own authority now and have been pulling dry van. I'm getting back into flatbed and this video really helped refresh my memory on how to secure coils. Are those 8-ft chains? Also, why do you use both types of binders? I'm guessing you just didn't have enough ratchet binders?

My dad pulled flat bed for 48 years been with him 60 percent of the time he's haulled countless loads of coils. Two forward three back nail your blocks use 6X6. Tie off binder handles

@chadcunningham7612

7 ай бұрын

Depending on the weight of the coils, that securement might work.

Great Job 😎👍

You placed the ratchet binders in the loose position before wrapping the excess Cain around them. That will allow the ratchets to loosen.

Crystal clear.

Professional training at its best 👌 👍

Great video

Government regulations should mandate coils lay flat , but it is more convenient to load and unload for big companys . Laying coil lowers the center of gravity .

@Itsreallymarcus

2 жыл бұрын

Uhhh…fuck no

@sapperveteran245

2 жыл бұрын

This video is a coil laying down, which lowers the center of gravity. If you are referring to eye to the sky, almost no place has forklifts capable of taking them off. Coils in the videos form are anywhere from 20-55 thousand pounds. A 50,000 pound forklift is not feasible for most places, they are the size of a house.

@davidmuchoki1489

2 жыл бұрын

Laying them flat would make it hard to unload and very dangerous as they need to be hooked for safe unloading.

@StickNclutch

2 жыл бұрын

@@davidmuchoki1489 I think using skids along with dunage to lay it down would be ideal..its just my opinion I se dry van and don't know Nothing about flatbedding but I have the up most respect for those guys

@registrationhater

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, laying flat would lower CG, but make it way more difficult to secure

Useful video

They are loaded like this here in the USA sometimes because we have a lot of old ass steel processing plants that simply do not want to invest in cranes for whatever reason. They still use ancient tow motors to load and unload these coils. That's why it loaded suicide in this video.

Now I know why Western Express has the most dangerous drivers on the road

@Pcola_drone

4 ай бұрын

Why

Gracias amigo

Thank you

Good video

Where can i find that ladder? For flatbed it is priceless

Bravo!

Love it

Thanks

How do you know how tight, or when 2 stop putting tension on ur chains. Basically when 2 stop racheting on the chain or strap

Very well done 👍 I would love to see this done using ratchet binders

@sgtrock2821

2 жыл бұрын

You must be a rookie

@taxslave593

2 жыл бұрын

@@sgtrock2821 I was ! By the way sgt rock was my favorite comic book 👍

@Itsreallymarcus

2 жыл бұрын

@@taxslave593 if you’ve only been hauling coils less than a year, your still a rookie

@tiszole18

2 жыл бұрын

@@sgtrock2821 rookie or not my company uses ratchet binders .. I’d like to see that too

@imjaspr

Жыл бұрын

Most companies are going over to all ratchets simply because they are safer plus they are much easier to re-tighten enroute as necessary

Is it too much to get a coil well trailer and load between the chassis rails it's a lot safer than this eye to tha side and it looks like that trailer has aluminium side rails so what re the pins in that rated at

Thanks for showing the lady. I. Wondering

If you keep your eyes open in the place your loading they may have some of the thicker steel protective rings from the coil mfg if you cut one in half can be used for edge protection for the larger 38k+ coils

man i wish this guy was my trainer for a month. I would be the best.

@gumbygrom8436

Ай бұрын

Or the worst this guy has no clue no where in the dot manual does it say pulling 80 percent to the rear that’s asking for trouble probably why he’s not a driver

Half those chains aren't holding it down against forward movement. Will it work for most cases? Sure, but you are securing for an emergency stop. You shouldn't exceed a 45° angle on the pull. If you used some of those spools, you could complete this easily, plus they are usually stronger. It would make it easier to tarp too. Exceeding 45° also weakens the stake pocket as they are designed for a vertical pull. Checking the ratings on the data plate will clear that up.

@sgtrock2821

2 жыл бұрын

20 years I pulled those out of Cal Steel Nucor Plymouth Farwest Posco and never run chains like that. I don't tell anyone how to do their job but I know I never had my chains goin over the 45 degrees. I've pulled 50k lb coils just like that one many times. They paid a little over half of what wood in Oregon paid smh. He works for Western Express though. They may have a mandatory way to tie shyt down.

@pedromatias9437

2 жыл бұрын

100% agree. This looks like garbage. I haul steel almost on the daily. I am in absolute shock. Lol

@michaeldunagan8268

2 жыл бұрын

@Sapper Veteran I am confused: 1. I assume the relative angle you are talking about in both the deck and the hold-down chain. 2. "Exceeding 45° angle" means 46°or greater angle: less "acute": more "obtuse" 3. You say the anchor points are designed for vehicle pull. As I see it: chain #1 is 90° to the deck, which is 1) more than 45° but yet 2) is the vertical pull you are preaching. What gives..??

@sapperveteran245

2 жыл бұрын

@@michaeldunagan8268 @Michael Dunagan 393.120 FMCSA Regs part C+D clearly state, at least one chain must be pulling no more that 45⁰ when viewed from side of trailer. Essentially no more than 45⁰ from the center of the load to the trailer. The point is to hold the coil down into the cradle, as it is what preventing roll. Once you exceed 45⁰ you are not really pulling down, you are pulling forward and backward. /| or |\ being good. (please excuse the limited ability to illustrate). Spools are generally welded all the way around, and can be pulled in any direction. Stake pockets are designed for vertical pulls (90⁰) as the flat sides bend and cave when pulled sideways or not wraped all the eay around. Seen many fail when I was picking them off the shoulders when I drove a heavy wrecker. Many I picked up looked similar to the video but lacking vertical pulls. **Everything should be verified by the data plate for load securement points. They are usually on the frame behind the landing gear or on front face of the trailer. Most will tell you exactly what each anchor is rated for by lbs. Some data plates will also specify anchors that are not designed for certain types of pulls.

@michaeldunagan8268

2 жыл бұрын

Government should start a separate category for Flatbeds like those that exist for tanker and Doubles-Triples.

In VN u can't to use any Chains or 1 Chains for Steel Coil about 30 tons down.

my manz got that baltimore twang

Hello. Could you please tell me what grade and size chain do you use ?and else, for dot regulations 6 or 8 chains for 30 000 pounds? Thank you

@user-qv8df9vj2o

5 ай бұрын

4

Time consuming. I haul 3 regularly and tarp from michigan. Check often and youll be alright. And i use ratchet binders, 2 chains per coil. Nice video.

@Pcola_drone

4 ай бұрын

Hey, if the company does not make you tarp, do you have to tarp coils and when I say and Ask do you have to tarp coils? Is there anything you gain safety wise or can I just not tarp at all?

Are those G70 grade chains and also, what about the size 5/16 or 3/8 that your using?

@sapperveteran245

2 жыл бұрын

Those are most likely standard transport chains (G70 5/16th). Western Express wouldn't buy 3/8th, it's too expensive. Only regular steel haulers are usually rocking G70 3/8th+. Saves time and effort when hauling multiple coils a day. Not to mention, it depends on trailer specs. Spools, pop-ups, and J-Hooks are usually rated for 3/8th chains at 6600lbs or better. Stake pockets are almost always only rated for 5400lbs.

@sgtrock2821

2 жыл бұрын

@@sapperveteran245 I hope he read your reply

@ricardoaustin4589

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks @ sapper Veteran

@johncalvo1743

Жыл бұрын

@@sapperveteran245 How does the 3/8 save time and effort?

Watching these videos cause I been thinking going to flatbed from dry van. Doing the hard is not a problem for me but I want to know about securing the loads

Aren't snap binders more dangerous to use?

Рахмет тебе мужик!

Edge protector or use an old tire? 🤔

one inch of threads must be showing on the ratchet binders also or a fella will need to reset just in case you need to pull things a little tighter on the road you have the room on the crank. grat video

Thanks man How many you can load coil in the same time?

@Itsreallymarcus

2 жыл бұрын

A lot of that video was cropped and sped up plus he had a helper, that took him well over an hour which is insane.

@Itsreallymarcus

2 жыл бұрын

Insane meaning wayyyy to fucking long and wayyyy to much bullshit

@sandasturner9529

2 ай бұрын

Usually just one, but I've seen two on a low step deck 60 ton trailer before

Anybody that thinks 8 chains is “overkill” needs to imagine that 40,000lb coil falling off the trailer landing on top of a civic. Don’t play when it comes to load securement. I’ve seen a forklift fall of a trailer on the highway because it wasn’t secured correctly

Hit me up if you need help in Chattanooga TN.

Should never haul coils with a ratchet binder in the loose position.its possible it comes loose during transport

Imagine setting this at 20 degrees winter time .

Dude gotta be from Baltimore with the “Tuuewwww” stuff lol

Are u using G70 chain

The reason behind not laying it down is because it can become unsecure from the vibrations and then uncoil, causing damage to the load and people around.

Wrong Chains should 3/8 by 1/2

No Super Trucker. I was saying ask them if I can do shotgun

As a trucker driver's wife, I regret watching this 😅

13:09 was nervous for you yo glad the bungee didn't snap

@AbateAway

2 жыл бұрын

Q: Are drivers paid extra for throwing chains 🤔

You’re very professional and your videos help a lot but it looks like your cameraman is too lazy. Cameraman needs to move and to show us very well. Thank you so much for your help.

Joe pro

It's kinda interesting in the comments how this is so professional and he's doesn't hook to the chains to the correct place on the trailer...the stake pockets are for stakes and the round things between the stake pockets are for chains.

Its better more secure than less secure

Alright, now tarp that motherfucker! 😆 Nice video.

👏👏👏👏👏👍

You can tell this guys from Baltimore by that accent

Why do u only use steak pockets for chains? Is that a requirement for dot

@ashiabrown6236

Жыл бұрын

Per Western policy states spools hv no WLL which is y he’s only using stake pockets. But I’ve seen many drivers secure to both spools and pockets

@mattdeluna9544

Жыл бұрын

@@ashiabrown6236 ahhh thanks for clarification... Some trailers are not recommended to use spools and some have very good wll. I know the square spools and made to use as secure points

I haul coils local no need for more than 5 chains 6 max if you’re worried about one getting loose 3 back 2 front depending on how heavy the coils are above or below 20k coils 3 chains each coil 2 back 1 front; this is a bit excessive 8 chains is ridiculous lol

They should have reinforced skids to put these on so they lay on side instead

Keep the chain flat and straight inside the coil or it will turn pain in the ass!!!!

ill b honest, i used to put one 54k pound coil suicide on my decc, and only wud use 5 3/8 chains...theres no need for 8....but theres also no such thing as over securement.

@Pcola_drone

4 ай бұрын

Hey question, I’m sorry for this question after a year that you posted your response but if you had coils this heavy and dangerous, couldn’t you just set it up shotgun style instead of suicide

@412hwc

4 ай бұрын

@@Pcola_drone a suicide coil is actually safer than a shotgun coil. first off because your chains arent rubbing against each other, than the indirect tie down compared to direct tie down give you a better working loaf limit...also depending on size but a shot gun coil would make your trucc roll more than a suicide would if u happen to take a turn too fast. ive hauled the big ones shot gun before but its just more of a pain im the ass. if they ask me how i want it set up, i alwayd say suicide.

00:18 "DOT requires 80% of chains pulling rearward" He has 3 chains pulling forward, 1 down and 4 pulling rearward. That is NOT 80%. It's either 4.5 of 8 = 56% or 4 of 7 = 57%. If you count the center/downward chain as rearward, it is 5 of 8 = 62%.

@PinayTruckerGIRLUSA

2 жыл бұрын

I would love to see video how you would do it instead or recommend a video. Thanks

@forever_derpy5970

2 жыл бұрын

These videos are blatantly wrong. Every western express securement video I’ve seen has had obviously incorrect information in it. Not to even include how inconsistent the explanations are.

@ice_wallow_come10

2 жыл бұрын

DOT doesn't say anything about requiring 80% of the pull to the rear it just says you must have one pulling forward and one pulling rear and if possible at no more than a 45 degree angle to the deck. That's per the DOT securement book.

@sapperveteran245

2 жыл бұрын

@@ice_wallow_come10 Knows what he's saying. Clearly.

@michaeldunagan8268

2 жыл бұрын

@munsters Actually, the FMCSA "Drivers Securement Handbook" ["the HB" ]I download does not mention a "nominal" amount of chains.l such as 80% of chains. I The HB says "Forward Force: 80% of cargo weight when braking while driving straight ahead." So not 8 out of 10 or 4 out of 5 chains necessarily, but 80% of 45,000-pounds, which I am assuming this could weighs. Math: 45,000# × 80% = 36,000#. A 3/8"-70-Grade good order chain from broweser-searched results has a WLL of 6,600#. Six of these chains are not enough: 6,600# × 6 = 33,000#: 3,000# short. Westco Industries claims it's 1/2"-Grade 70 chain had a WLL of 11,300#; still 2,100# short with just three of them. RuggedTow claims their 5/8"-Grade 70 chain had a WLL of 15,800#. Two is still only 32,600#!!! Damn this is hard 😤..!!! I would just probably 1/2"-Grade 70 3-each and 1-eaxh Grainger/Campbell claimed WLL 4,700# 5/16-Grade 70 will exceed the 36,000# target I have been attempting to reach with just three chains-> ->all such angling and attaching towards the rear of the trailer behind the coil when looking at the trailer from the side. More than four angled-chains on one side of the coil appears to me to get unweildly. But I am not a flatbedder: cannot land a "steel only" gig; all companies want a guy to walk the tight-ripe 13-feet in the air on top of plywood loads. Afflicted with acrophobia, I just cannot get up there...😢 ++++++++++++ EDIT: OKAY! After posting this comment, I researched and found out that the stake pockets on a flatbed trailer have a WLL of just 4000-6000 pounds! Damn man....so friggin' hard. .. So to use a 1/2"-Grade 70, one, I am calculating, is required to loop over two stake pockets! I am going haywire to to abide the law over this. ... 🤪😆😜🤪😝😆😛😄🤪

how much does that one coil weigh

@cardinals845

2 жыл бұрын

49,000

@467inc

2 жыл бұрын

@@cardinals845 damnit. That lil shit heavy. Smh. And dangerous right?

@cardinals845

2 жыл бұрын

@@467inc yeah if the chains snapped it can roll forward in the cab

Why do they even load these this way anyway

They should load these coils on their side... with the "eye" facing the sky. It makes no sense to load them so that they can roll off the trailer.

It's

Wouldn't it be easier to use larger chains and not have to use as many?

@michaeldunagan8268

2 жыл бұрын

I believe the reason may be the I read that flatbed 'pockets' are only rated for 4,500# WLL. Hence, no use ising more than a 3/8ths chain because DOT will look for the lowest WLL. A 7,000# WLL will be downgraded to the 4,500# pocket this wasted.

@marceloevera2009

2 жыл бұрын

@@michaeldunagan8268 still . even considering the pockets 4400 , he wouldnt need that many chains

@johncalvo1743

Жыл бұрын

@@michaeldunagan8268 NO. Because each chain is using TWO pockets---one on the left and one on the right. So with a WLL of 5400 lbs. (usually) for each pocket, each chain can count on 10,800 lbs. of securement from BOTH pockets.

Chains are to far back

I’m surprised those snap binders are still legal, I’ve seen plenty of guys get lumped up using them especially in the rain

@TheRoadhammer379

2 жыл бұрын

Hmmm, in 25 yrs I have yet to see anyone get lumped by one. You probably heard truckstop stories.

@josephagnello9335

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheRoadhammer379 Drivers/ helpers usually get whacked due to improper set-up of binder and chain or driver not using CHEATER bar correctly " failing to " lock" down the binder handle. Additionally, not paying attention to process or worse, not using a bar/ or steel pipe , just using their hands. Personally, I would rather use the snap binders of the best quality and latest engineering.

@sgtrock2821

2 жыл бұрын

I got knots n smash finger nails

@sgtrock2821

2 жыл бұрын

@@josephagnello9335 that's all I ever used

@TerraFirmaX

Жыл бұрын

@@TheRoadhammer379 lol. True. 18 years and I’ve only heard stories but never witnessed anything

Good job but a bit of over kill, I like that little ladder deal you got there

@zachz699

2 жыл бұрын

Overkill would be this coil coming through your cab and killing you or someone else because you were too lazy to throw some chains and stuff. Lazy people need to not flatbed man

@ravemaster7405

2 жыл бұрын

No such thing as over kill.

@Itsreallymarcus

2 жыл бұрын

@@zachz699 no that’s the exact opposite of over kill bud. Either way, this is a bit much and wayyyy to much wasted time doing unnecessary work

レバーホイストで固定しないんだね。

Never seen a legal load need 8 chains .. u make it look so difficult and time consuming

@marceloevera2009

2 жыл бұрын

exactly

@bm797

Жыл бұрын

Better to be safe than sorry

@ashiabrown6236

Жыл бұрын

That’s Western’s rule for steel coil over 30,000 lbs must use 8 chains. I know bc I worked there in flatbed and hauled a few of them

If I'm not mistaken, why in the world did your 6 year veteran girl flatbed operator have tennis shoes on when making this video. I'm just saying.

Too bad you couldn’t turn it 90 degrees or am I missing something here

I haul rental equipment, toss chains and ratchet binders all day long, this was just so painful to watch. Done right but dam I would've been at the truckstop getting cleaned up already.

yell clear as you throw your chain through. Cue woman walking towards center as he yells clear

Im not putting 8 chains on a coil 😆

@Pcola_drone

4 ай бұрын

Hey, question to avoid the dangers of setting it up in a suicide manner couldn’t you just have the forklift operator do it shotgun

9lk

x the center/1 back / 1 forward /1 across the top /im gone.............rookie

Edge protection is to protect the securement

My gosh, if i ever chained a 30,000 lb coil down like that, i am sure i would get fired!!!

@johncalvo1743

Жыл бұрын

Why? Are you referring to the sharp angles of the last chains?

@larrykosterewa4848

Жыл бұрын

@@johncalvo1743 The chains are to far apart. They loose strength that way. The closer they are, the more strength they have. Just ask your local DOT officer.

Y’all need stronger chains. My chains so strong that I’ll never have to put 8 on 1 coil!

@treytaylor8564

2 жыл бұрын

There is no such that as “to many chains”. More the chains/strap the better. DOT would rather see over securement, than not enough.

@Itsreallymarcus

2 жыл бұрын

Stronger chains don’t make a difference you clown lol. The securement of the spools and stale pockets don’t change no matter how big the chain. Either way this is way to much done for this coil

@BudG843

2 жыл бұрын

@@Itsreallymarcus amateur ass sucker. I’m really out here banking securing my way for years 🛹

8 chains 😂

Considering the garbage I see from Western Express going down the road, them teaching how to secure a coil is rich. Snap binders… 🤣 What morons. They’re complicating such a simple process.

why its called suicide?

@Nxsai

2 жыл бұрын

cause if it gets loose the coil rolls forward towards the truck and then crushes the cab with you in it.

@sgtrock2821

2 жыл бұрын

@@Nxsai there's a yt video where one rolled into the truck. It shows the coil 3/4 of the way into the tractor

@Nxsai

2 жыл бұрын

@@sgtrock2821 yikes

@johncalvo1743

Жыл бұрын

Because if you hard-break and that sucker breaks loose, you'd better have some aspirin with you!

@Pcola_drone

4 ай бұрын

@@johncalvo1743 couldn’t the driver asked the person loading the coils to set them up shotgun style versus suicide

Iam 80 percent sure it won't work

This guy doesn’t have a clue

Is the driver typically being paid for all this time screwing around with strapping things down? I hope he doesn't have to just eat all the time he spends lashing cargo down properly...

@Pcola_drone

4 ай бұрын

The longer it takes the longer our day lasts before we get done. I pick up at 5 am in mobile n drop in Birmingham. Pick up a load and drop back off in Pensacola where I live. The longer it takes me to chain the longer it takes to be done for the day.

Lol. Ridiculous

no disrespect @vicpetrishak1077 i understand what your trying to say, but it would be near if not impossible to take off. Also waaay harder grip down.