Nathan, is this a motivational podcast?? I need to be reassured!

Curtis got the substitute teacher vibes today lol

@albertcohee7757

4 ай бұрын

It's cause he's wearing actual PANTS!

Nathan didnt call me a bbc'r 😭

i like the pipeline of "wrong intuition" -> "wrong analysis" -> "right analysis" -> "right intuition", it's a great example of a simple model explaining something that is counter-intuitive ("why can't i keep loading games mindlessly to turn my wrong intuition into right intuition?")

@GrugGaming

4 ай бұрын

It's reeaaaaaally good. These videos are crazy good.

Just the curiosity mindset has fundamentally changed my relationship with the game. Instead of oh my champ is bad here or my team is bad just simply being curious on what I could have done in the review takes off so much rage. The game is actually quite fair especially in low elo like me.

@chesscankill

15 күн бұрын

After I won a top game where mid disconnected and I temporarily did too for about 1 minute, I believe that any game is winnable to some extent

i like the comment about watching games slightly above your level rather than challenger games. it totally makes sense, thats how you improve at anything is facing or learning from people at or slightly above your level so the learning is incremental.

Love the thumbnail lol

Really important episode guys. Thank you so much i realise I was reviewing really badly. It took me 1h30min to review my 3 games and this was really exhausting. I did this for 1 month What help me to review better mistake was this idea: « I made a choice -> this is the outcome -> what did I learn ? »

The thumbnail is king

@GarredGaming

4 ай бұрын

Yeup!

Curtis the professional and the genius in shorts and a tshirt. One is the business, one is the player

@smokelingers9857

4 ай бұрын

The salesman and the developer. Reminds me of my friend and I.

@theunwanted37

4 ай бұрын

Me at the office vs me working from home.

i just love these guys and this podcast. im so bad at the game but it helps me enjoy being where i am and focusing on just trying to improve. (shoutout to coach cupcake, hes also helping me in doing this in school of support!)

@Brosak.

4 ай бұрын

Is it worth it? I thought about getting coaching from Cupcake aswell. Can u tell me something about how it works for u?

@evan8895

4 ай бұрын

@@Brosak. It's the monthly payment for access to the discord server and however many out of 11 vod review sessions you want per week. He will help you keep track of learning objectives and the community is very nice and welcoming. We do watch parties for pro and trivia nights and things like that

I've put a lot of what you guys say into practise, I review my mistakes, I stop myself from tilting or blaming teammates and get way less frustrated, I also stopped venting. Thanks a lot! I'm about to hit Platinum now for the first time and it's making me a bit nervous, although I feel like I can make it.

Got to be hands down the most informative league video I ever witnessed. Good stuff!!

Always here to support you guys!

You mention something here about people not wanting to do reviews at first because they have to look at their mistakes. I think the issue is when you're first getting into reviewing, you are experiencing your mistakes AGAIN, and you KNOW that there are mistakes.

This helps tons! Thanks boys 🎉

This episode couldn't have been more timely, thank you! The educational content you guys put out is second-to-none. Keep up the good work

High quality stuff as always. Love you guys.

This has really changed my perspective, I appreciate you going into so much detail. I am stuck in bronz right now and have been for the past 5 years (I didnt use to play alot) and this video, along with some of your others has cleared alot of confusion ive been having. Thank you for this informative content!😃

thank you guys for doing this :)

LETSGOOO how to review games is exactly what i wanted to know i often feel clueless THANK YOU

continue the good work!

Great episode as always boys!

Just in case you guys didn't know, David released a 2nd book called "never finished". Just as great as "Can't hurt me"

Value of this is so crazy, I peaked GM and 100% agree with focussing on just 3 mistakes in ur reviews

I listened to this on my commute so apologies if this was touched on and I didn’t catch it: is the idea to review every single game played? Is there a minimum percentage required to see benefit?

good overview at the end there

me reviewing a win: “well no wonder we lost the game I completely threw my lead here”

@anniekujo

3 ай бұрын

💀

curtis and nathan with yet another banger 🔥🔥🔥

Reviewing games is something I picked up from chess. The cycle of playing a game and reviewing it and going again is kind of addictive when you get into it. There's so many tiny details I'd never have noticed. I just hope league had an organizing system for replays like lichess has, where I have over a 100 studies where I store my key games categorized by opening variation. You could have folders based on champ, matchup, etc.

I know you guys don’t talk about game balance cause it’s always changing; but I am curious to hear Nathan Mott’s opinions on the Tank RekSai top that’s picking up popularity, since it’s his main champion

I'm a nursing student and nurses implement a similar system when doing things that allows for continuing to give better care and adjust to circumstances. The Acronym is ADPIE: Assess, Diagnose, Plan, Implement, Evaluate.So you assess the information you have, then you diagnose what the problems are from that information, Plan a course of intervention, implement those ininterventions, then evaluate the results - and it loops into itself. So once you've evaluated you then assess amd diagnose the new information gained from the previous evaluation.

Pattern recognition is an aspect of "IQ". In fact, the earliest IQ tests (ravens progressive matrices) tested for exactly that. In terms of predicting future performance (in ranked that would be rating) IQ test scores (a proxy for general intelligence) are second only to past work (replays and statistics of past games). I definitely agree that most players have huge room for improvement, but if you sampled just these metrics: IQ scores and games played for each hero in the last year, I believe you'd be able to strongly predict MMR, as well as see some pretty obvious patterns. If you took some more in depth statistics available on many websites, you could pinpoint a player's mmr with little analysis (as you two already do).

Just this episode I need to MOTIVATE me to review my hardstuck emerald 4 jg gameplay.

THANK YOU

In a totally different sport there is concept of minimum effective volume, The least amount of effort you need to improve. The maximum effective volume, the most you can do before more practice becomes either useless or junk volume. And the important one for this discussion maintenance volume. the least you can do to maintain your current skills. If you go from 15 games per week down to 5 games per week you won't get worse, you will either maintain your skills or get slightly better. The effort needed to maintain a level is much less than the effort you had to put in to get there. Don't be afraid of losing skills if you have to cut down on practice time, you won't. This is a really bad mindset and demotivating to a lot of people

@rileystrom8530

4 ай бұрын

Something funny I noticed: I recently started dieting and looking into the fundamentals/science behind it and it's interesting how many parallels there are to what you described. Concepts like TDEE (Total Daily Energy Expenditure) which effectively means how many calories you'd need to eat to maintain your current weight or in other words your maintenance volume of calories. We know now that height/weight/gender are all important in calculating this (and everything else about your diet really) so it leads me to wonder how many other factors we could find for the similar skill-related concepts

@glenndiddy

4 ай бұрын

@@rileystrom8530 you caught me the sport is bodybuilding, but I was talking about the physical training aspect. This concept is present in basically anything we try to get better at though so it will be true for league as well

@rileystrom8530

4 ай бұрын

@@glenndiddy Lmao, that's great actually. Makes total sense how it seemed related then. This is the shit I watch BBC for. I love that occasionally (probably more often then not lol) it's not just about improving in league, it's about improvement in general. So many fascinating concepts that are really just the study of reality and perspective disguised as practical advice about playing a video game

@giovannipaolo5650

Ай бұрын

In league the minimum volume is high actually. Most players expirience periods of few weeks needed to get back to form after only a short breaks. Their ceiling may not decay in the same way because it is knowledge based (often unconscious)

@glenndiddy

Ай бұрын

@@giovannipaolo5650 I'd say peak performanfe drops fast, but minimum performance stays stable

thank you

What are the most important and fundamental learning objectives for junglers in your opinion Nathan for ~masters junglers? notes: - look at first 2 deaths - choose 1 ability usage (such as R) to focus on - justgetinthegym aka justopenupthevod - review every failed gank

A case Study on Druttut's challenge would be fun. I think based on his play you could talk about and explain a lot of things.

Really nice thumbnail lads!

I like this, have you guys ever gone over how many games in general it takes for someone to climb to their goal?

@SpinninWaffle

4 ай бұрын

I am pretty sure they have touched on it before but its different for everyone. It will take a few months to reach a goal though.

@giovannipaolo5650

Ай бұрын

Few hundreds a split

Hi guys, there is a notable brazilian scholar called Paulo Freire, and in his life he focused on the learning process, learn how to learn. I think Curtis would really like his work and books.

don't forget to like n subscribe if u enjoy the content and are curious where it could go in the future

Love all of this. But I get stuck how to have good learning cycles regarding mechanical mistakes. Like how do I translate "oh, i missed my skillshots, need to work on that." into actually getting better at skill shots. Like, i've spent thousands of hours trying to hit bombs as zilean on champs with high mobility/dashes and have not improved much in several seasons. Hard to feel like I can get any more intentional with my practice and yet I see no improvement. The more I listen the more I agree with what you're saying. But it doesn't motivate. It discourages me. Like, if I can't do basic mechanical things in game as the champ/role I enjoy.. then I probably shouldn't keep playing. Make it make sense.

@Gloriankithsanus

4 ай бұрын

Ask someone to get into a game with you, 1 on 1, and the other person plays a high mobility champ. Then try to hit him. Focused practise. Other than that, try to get more into their head. Watch videos about hitting skillshots. Look at the map, and see where you have angles in which you can predict movement very well. Midlane for an example, around the edges of the walls that lead into the river. People will tend to dodge away from those. Get into the review and see how people are dodging your bombs on the regular. See if there is a tendency. However, all of this requires work and some dedication, and most definitly not motivation.

(Generated with Google Gemini) Learning Objectives for Junglers in League of Legends: Early Game: Pathing Efficiency: "Complete a full jungle clear on [champion name] within 3:30 minutes in 70% of my games this week." (Specific, Measurable, Achievable, Relevant, Time-bound) Gank Setup: "Successfully set up a gank in at least one lane in 60% of my games this week, resulting in a kill or summoner spell burn." (Specific, Measurable, Achievable, Relevant, Time-bound) Scuttle Crab Control: "Secure the first Scuttle Crab in 70% of my games this week." (Specific, Measurable, Achievable, Relevant, Time-bound) Mid Game: Objective Control: "Participate in securing at least 2 out of 3 Dragon objectives (excluding Soul) that spawn this week." (Specific, Measurable, Achievable, Relevant, Time-bound) Vision Control: "Place 1 ward per minute on average throughout the game in 70% of my games this week." (Specific, Measurable, Achievable, Relevant, Time-bound) Map Awareness: "Identify laner matchups with gank opportunities within the first 5 minutes of the game in 80% of my games this week." (Specific, Measurable, Achievable, Relevant, Time-bound) Late Game: Teamfight Positioning: "Maintain proper positioning during teamfights in 80% of my games this week, minimizing unnecessary deaths." (Specific, Measurable, Achievable, Relevant, Time-bound) Objective Prioritization: "Correctly identify and prioritize the most important objective (Baron Nashor, Elder Dragon, Inhibitor) for my team in 80% of my games this week." (Specific, Measurable, Achievable, Relevant, Time-bound) Champion Mastery: "Increase my champion pool KDA (Kills/Deaths/Assists) by 0.5 in the next month." (Specific, Measurable, Achievable, Relevant, Time-bound)

Can you guys tell me what's the best way to record a vod? I tried Medal and OBS but maybe you've got something better

@Caliban743

4 ай бұрын

Insights

cute little thumbnail wish i had what they have ❤️

I really really recommend you guys reading Ultralearning by Scott H Young. I will do an awful job at advertising it for you but it is an extremely good book on efficient and focused learning.

Hello, if anyone sees this and minds answering, who are these people in the podcast or what have they done in the LoL scene. I am a RLCS coach (Rocket League), and I want a gage of what they have done in the scene for LoL. Overall, the podcast was a great accessing of ideas and I enjoyed listening through it.

@giovannipaolo5650

Ай бұрын

Check episode 1 or their stories (some episode should have dire wolfs story in title - it was their professional team) Curtis coached nattan owned the team. But episode 1-5 I think are on Curtisis channel

Yo pewdiepie in the thumbnail is mad!

Hi coaches, I had a question regarding reviewing your games and implementing what you've learned from them. Every game I lose i look back at the first 15minutes of the game to find improvements. However, the problem i'm having is that even after recognizing mistakes during my VOD reviews I keep making this same type of mistake in later games. So it seems that i can't implement the things i've learned from my VOD reviews. It feels like i only can see a mistake after its made and while playing and when you have to make split second decisions i keep making bad plays. (I'm currently Emerald 2, jungle main. I hitted diamond 4 few weeks ago and demoted back to E2 over a cours of 23 games)

@giovannipaolo5650

Ай бұрын

Realizing that you do those mistakes is the first and also necessary step to change. What usually follows (after some time and some more realizing first) is ability to pick up on those mistakes faster, maybe just after they happen instead of in review. The next will be ability to recognize them while they happen and this is when you will start to be able change what you do. Either with ideas from reviews - what you tough you should have done instead or come up with a better play during the very moment. Also if the solution is to not do something you do (like facechecking) then you would realize you are about to face check - and knowing it is often a mistake (assuming your role isn’t to do it) you would stop yourself and do not go into that brush. It is similar to how therapy works and in both cases it takes a lot of time but works. So give yourself that time and be patient realizing is a step forward and what is so amazing in this is that following steps you will start doing naturally after some time of step one.

@giovannipaolo5650

Ай бұрын

Realizing that you do those mistakes is the first and also necessary step to change. What usually follows (after some time and some more realizing first) is ability to pick up on those mistakes faster, maybe just after they happen instead of in review. The next will be ability to recognize them while they happen and this is when you will start to be able change what you do. Either with ideas from reviews - what you tough you should have done instead or come up with a better play during the very moment. Also if the solution is to not do something you do (like facechecking) then you would realize you are about to face check - and knowing it is often a mistake (assuming your role isn’t to do it) you would stop yourself and do not go into that brush. It is similar to how therapy works and in both cases it takes a lot of time but works. So give yourself that time and be patient realizing is a step forward and what is so amazing in this is that following steps you will start doing naturally after some time of step one.

@giovannipaolo5650

Ай бұрын

Also knowing what I have said you can explore stuff like: how can I pick up on mistakes faster in game - what are the tells for this play being bad, what information availble I missed (sometimes it will be lack of information as a reason for a mistake - some decisions require necessary conditions). As well as other techniques that you can come up with on your own - maybe the other one I will say is thinking of better plays instead of those mistakes. Then it is not on you to decide in split second.

I haven't been MOTIVATED recently

i really need to review ngl. I just feel like its a waste of time cause I will own up to my mistakes instantly in game. If i cant get masters ill def give it a go after this szn

Which programs do you use for record your games?

@xxxtimeghostxxx

Ай бұрын

the client automatically saves your replays

Can you guys bring back the 'League of Legends enthusiasts'. I was so hyped to hear it from Nathan. Now he just dont say it no more 😔

A framework for finding the root cause of a problem you could look into is the "5 whys". A q mIss, why? I misspositioned, why? I was late to the fight, why? I missed to push the wave, why? I didnt use the lul-state, why? I am tired from not sleeping enough. Its kind of what your doing and plays nicley into the micro-macro framework. If you want a name fot it.

what do they mean by pov?

@giovannipaolo5650

Ай бұрын

Position of view

Where Pan Pan?

I'M GETTING MUCH BETTER AT GETTING WORSE

Could you do a few reviews in 5 minute or less for example :)

Can you put a monitor on the back shelf with the logo instead of the poster

I dont normally comment but yeah no its crazy. I’m kinda scared of the results of reviewing after being hardstuck so long. Its feels good yet uncomfortable at the same time

First!

I am challenged

pros dont have long careers.....

Third

It just me or does it look like Curtis is yawning ing he thumbnail

FIRSTTTT!! 😡

@benjaminghazi787

4 ай бұрын

Not even close

I don't find your micro/macro framework very helpful. But I don't think about the game in terms of micro and macro, I don't use that language. When I review I go to 1 bad thing that happened and investigate. I also dig into why I dropped waves in the first section of the game (assuming I dropped waves). I did like the stuff about 'root causes'. I've found that bad decisions come from anxiety or panicking quite often.

@Gloriankithsanus

4 ай бұрын

You could also divide it between strategical and mechanical. There IS a difference. Doesn't really matter how you label it. However, your way of doing it is completely fine

@user-mx3pg4xx8k

4 ай бұрын

Thanks for your comment. I get thrown off a bit by all the league jargon the community uses. @@Gloriankithsanus

I don't like that ff at 10 min mindset attitude of your review process please don't incurage giving up just because you are on the bad side of some team mistake I hate it when my team constantly gives up

@Masshystericz

4 ай бұрын

In lower elos sure, but the higher elo you are it's better because people make less mistakes and it's impossible to win a game that is clearly a loss

@bryanglover757

4 ай бұрын

@@Masshystericz go watch some Azzapp videos…he just won 18 in a row from not forfeiting. Many of those 18 were winning from wayyyy behind.

@bryanglover757

4 ай бұрын

@@Masshystericzhe’s challenger btw

@Masshystericz

4 ай бұрын

​@@bryanglover757Then he should know the higher elo you are, a few mistakes will make or break a game, sure you can keep playing from behind hoping to capitalize on the enemy team making a game throwing mistake but it's gonna be harder and less often

@bryanglover757

4 ай бұрын

@@Masshystericz lol that shit just went well over your head 😂😂😂 good luck climbing kid