How to qualify for the Boston Marathon | Extramilest Show #24 with Jeffrey Silver

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Jeffrey Silver ( / strava ) is a 54 year old runner from Toronto, Canada. For several years he has had the goal of qualifying for the Boston Marathon. He ran his first marathon in 2013 in 4 hours and 12 minutes. Over the years he improved, but he also experienced several serious medical challenges that set him back in his training and racing.
He started implementing low heart rate training and increased his training volume, which helped improve his running. We take a deep dive into his training and racing and how he was able to qualify for the Boston Marathon two times in the past 6 weeks, I just saw him in Chicago last weekend running another PB.
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LINKS AND TOOLS MENTIONED:
* Jeffrey Strava ( / strava )
* Finding Ultra Book by Rich Roll - amzn.to/2OWqHXv
* Maurten Energy gels - www.maurten.com/products
* Maurten 320 Drink Mix - www.maurten.com/products
* Gatorade - amzn.to/2VWlWi7
* Apple iWatch - amzn.to/2OWfM04
* Workoutdoors app iWatch - apple.co/33GxOaD
* Grid foam roller - amzn.to/2MoFSqH
* Marathon PR Program - extramilest.com/marathon/
* Chicago Marathon - www.chicagomarathon.com/
* Cleveland Marathon - www.clevelandmarathon.com/
* New York Marathon - www.nyrr.org/tcsnycmarathon
* Elevate for Strava extension - bit.ly/2L3Weqc
* Michael Ovens podcast - bit.ly/2qnIe0B
* Jason Cherriman podcast - bit.ly/2UY7QQd
* Zach Bitter podcast - bit.ly/35NNvyT
* Tanda Race Predictor - tandaracepredictor.com/
* Metathon Race predictor linked to Strava - www.metathon.com/
SHOW NOTES:
* Jeffrey’s background in running [3:00]
* His first marathon in 4 hours 12 minutes in Chicago in 2013 [5:20]
* How Jeffrey ended in an ambulance in the hospital with a hemorrhagic stroke [6:10]
* He didn’t run all in 2014, started running again in 2015 [8:00]
* Importance of hydration and keeping electrolytes up [9:10]
* Fall 2016 two weeks before the Chicago Marathon, he experienced another seizure and needed another surgery [10:00]
* What his doctors mentioned to Jeffrey about marathon running [13:00]
* How Jeffrey continued his running journey in 2017 to run the New York Marathon [15:15]
* Cleveland Marathon 2018 in 3 hours 51 minutes, not enough to qualify for the Boston Marathon [17:20]
* What Jeffrey’s training used to look like before discovering MAF training [18:08]
* Next Chicago Marathon 2018 in 3 hours 37 minutes [19:40]
* Rich Roll’s book finding ultra that mentioned low heart rate [21:00]
* His first experience with low heart rate training leading, first MAF test 6:10 min / km (9:55 min / mile) [23:00]
* First MAF test May 29th to June 29th improved well [24:00]
* Did not run any speedwork or tempo over the summer [27:00]
* How he ran the Erie Marathon (September 2019) in 3 hours 26 minutes, a 9 minute PR to qualify for the Boston Marathon [28:00]
* Things Jeffrey learned from his 2 training approaches [30:30]
* Higher training volume helped improve his running times [35:10]
* Importance of step back weeks [36:45]
* So much more enjoyment during his workouts with low heart rate training [38:00]
* How Jeffrey uses the Elevate for Strava app in his training [40:30]
* Floris’s thoughts on Elevate for Strava [43:50]
* How Jeffrey dealt with initial challenges with low HR training [47:00]
* Flo’s thoughts on mindset challenges with low HR training [50:05]
* Jeffrey’s plant based approach to nutrition [53:40]
* Race day nutrition for Jeffrey [56:45]
* His race day strategy to qualify for the Boston Marathon [1:05:00]
* How Jeffrey recovers and limits the risk of injury [1:09:45]
* Recommendations for other runners looking to improve their running and to qualify for the Boston Marathon [1:13:15]
* Floris’s thoughts about gradual improvements over time [1:19:50]

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  • @FlorisGierman
    @FlorisGierman2 жыл бұрын

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  • @kofuzi
    @kofuzi4 жыл бұрын

    i've watched this like 12 times now. will probably watch again

  • @FlorisGierman

    @FlorisGierman

    4 жыл бұрын

    haha, hope you learned something new every time.

  • @prafulla2071

    @prafulla2071

    3 жыл бұрын

    Very informative interview for aspiring marathoners. Thanks for sharing your knowledge and experience.

  • @nikitaw1982

    @nikitaw1982

    2 жыл бұрын

    Listen on a run?

  • @jimoconnor8597
    @jimoconnor85974 жыл бұрын

    56 this year, 3 years running, second marathon and going for a BQ. Hope to run 3:28. Great information here, thanks!

  • @davidosolo

    @davidosolo

    4 жыл бұрын

    Great. Keep the good work goin´Jimmy.

  • @robertbausa1
    @robertbausa14 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for the great interview! At 50, it was great to have a story I can relate to. My big take away and reinforcement is the long term health and not beating my body into the ground with "no pain, no gain" methods. Great to see someone in my generation who has had so much success and still improving. I'm looking forward to this next decade! I'm still in the novice arena (18 months running) and just switched over to MAF in mid-July after several injuries. I finished my first half marathon in Boston last week at 2:00:42 (the hills in the last 5k hit hard for this flat lander from Houston :-) ) After a couple weeks of lower mileage recovery I'll start training for my first marathon in January here in Houston. Running steady and finishing healthy and strong are the main goals. I love what Jeffrey said about feeling good after his last marathon and will take that to heart.

  • @FlorisGierman

    @FlorisGierman

    4 жыл бұрын

    Very well said Barry. Congrats on your first 1/2 marathon in Boston, some of those hills there are definitely no joke, especially for flat landers like you and I! Glad you enjoyed the interview. Great goals right there to finish healthy and strong. Wishing you all the best with your training for your upcoming races. Cheers!

  • @GaryOutdoorsLiving
    @GaryOutdoorsLivingАй бұрын

    Grwt shown today! 😀. Just got back in to maffetone running and ran 6 miles while listening to this show. Thanks for the support!

  • @corwynwarwaruk2141
    @corwynwarwaruk21414 жыл бұрын

    I am 45 & have not run since I was 15. I have started running & am loving it. My goal is to run a sub 4hr marathon as my first marathon next summer. Going to do this through low heart rate training & high volume. Going to be joining a running group in my local community. Looking forward to being ready for the start line & crossing that finish line!

  • @Skalonga82

    @Skalonga82

    11 ай бұрын

    Can you tell us how you dealt with your disappointment? Did your knees survive the trauma of training for a sub 4 after 30 years of not running? 🤭

  • @ameliavrabel2125
    @ameliavrabel21254 жыл бұрын

    My favorite comment... believing in your training and going into the race confidently to meet the challenge.

  • @FlorisGierman

    @FlorisGierman

    4 жыл бұрын

    Well said Amelia!

  • @mulunehrizzo1720
    @mulunehrizzo17203 жыл бұрын

    I started the maf approach 1 week ago i wanna see how far my ethiopian genes will take me. When i was in ethiopia i had a lot of friends who would run every day just to be like kenenisa and most of the runs if not all of them where slow runs and looong thats why i believe that this MAF approach is amazing so thank you for your videos they’re very helpful.

  • @ixoraquilt
    @ixoraquilt4 жыл бұрын

    Thanks Floris! I have been watching most of your pod casts and found them very informative and inspiring. This one was great because I could relate to the 131 MAF heart rate. I am 49 and was heartened to see Jeffrey’s progress with LHR. That one sees improvements sooner or later with consistency is surely convincing after this talk. High training volume, low intensity training, clever diet and ample sleep. All this consistently for a minimum 3 months and one can hope to improve... Congratulations Jeffery! You sure have inspired me a great deal! Feel immensely charged to hang in with the MAF method. Thanks! Cheers!

  • @akashjalan4663
    @akashjalan46633 жыл бұрын

    This is fantastic... I have watched almost 20+ of your podcast in last 2 weeks and I am believing more and more on MAF training. My takeaways - Be patient, change takes time, build up mileage over time, have long term goals in mind instead of short term... Thanks for doing this great service to running community.

  • @vincentcheah3531
    @vincentcheah35314 жыл бұрын

    Thanks again Floris ! This was an exceptional interview for me as it provided a whole lot of context on MAF training at that age group Jeffrey was in. The key takeaways from elevate strava, and having patience in the MAF build up was good. Always looking forward to these sort of interviews !

  • @timwirick3618
    @timwirick36184 жыл бұрын

    This is so encouraging! I started LHR training 8 days ago feeling better and making gains! Ran a 10 k race 10/20 painfully slow everyone was passing me huffing and puffing. Thank you for the content

  • @MMABeijing
    @MMABeijing3 жыл бұрын

    I am so sick of interviewers interrupting their guests that I actually appreciate that this channel lets people talk. I am ok with rambling, I just can't stand interruption

  • @FlorisGierman

    @FlorisGierman

    3 жыл бұрын

    Thank you, I appreciate that. I fully agree, it surely is a fine balance

  • @FreeWilly416
    @FreeWilly4164 жыл бұрын

    Thanks Floris and Jeffrey for the great insight in this episode! I'll definitely give Metathon a whirl.

  • @wk633
    @wk6332 жыл бұрын

    I'm a year younger than Jeffrey. I've run two marathons, CIM 2011 I did a 3:27:19 (BQ was 3:25). 2012 was the year of the massive rain storm, and I did 3:29 something, which given the conditions I considered an improvement. After that I gave up on marathons and decided to stick to 1/2M max. Fast forward to 2016, I decided to run CIM again and get that BQ, but an injury and a death in the family took precedence. I ended up stopping running, and only re-started in Jan 2021 or I was going to go out of my mind with stress. I had bought Matt Fitzgerald's book, but I never really gave it a full try- sticking more to Hal Higdon training. I'm trying to do MAF now, but at 55, maintaining a 125-135 isn't all that slow.... oh wait, should that be 115-125? That might be my problem... I also just signed up for audible and find listing to a book helps take my mind off 'race mode'.

  • @mortenlileng5872
    @mortenlileng58724 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for another great interview Floris!

  • @Weichi928
    @Weichi9282 ай бұрын

    Yes! Great encounter of the running kind. Respect and admiration. Take-away: never give up! Thx for sharing.

  • @cbgbstew4072
    @cbgbstew40723 жыл бұрын

    I just started Maffetone training on August 1st and your channel is fantastic and informative, Floris, so thank you so much for this! This interview is one of my favorites so far. I’m also glad to see that success with Maffetone training can come without going super low carb :-)

  • @FlorisGierman

    @FlorisGierman

    3 жыл бұрын

    You're so welcome! Glad to hear that K. MO, keep it up!

  • @nebiyatdesta8901
    @nebiyatdesta89012 жыл бұрын

    Thank you it is a wonderful conversation that is helpful and I will start the low rate running soon.

  • @samirjulka
    @samirjulka4 жыл бұрын

    Thanks Floris. Another great video! Appreciate all the insights from Jeffrey! Key take aways- slow down the long runs and half an hr difference between the gels and gatorade. 😊

  • @FlorisGierman

    @FlorisGierman

    4 жыл бұрын

    Thanks Samir! Those are some great takeaways. Have fun out there on your runs. Cheers

  • @kofuzi
    @kofuzi4 жыл бұрын

    great discussion today. compelling results

  • @FlorisGierman

    @FlorisGierman

    4 жыл бұрын

    Glad to hear that Kofuzi, indeed very compelling results and Jeffrey is far from done with running PB's :D

  • @mlegrand
    @mlegrand4 жыл бұрын

    Great video! I used to be fast a long long time ago and I think something like this might be great for me. Thanks for posting this!

  • @FlorisGierman

    @FlorisGierman

    4 жыл бұрын

    Glad to hear that Matt. It's a great approach that works well for runners of all ages. You might be surprised to see how speed can come back again over time with patience and consistency, mostly at low heart rate training. Cheers

  • @muffinn9100

    @muffinn9100

    4 жыл бұрын

    Yeah

  • @muffinn9100

    @muffinn9100

    4 жыл бұрын

    Floris Gierman has aa

  • @tponn6172
    @tponn61722 жыл бұрын

    Very inspirational; Sharing is divine; Exuberating with confidence;Patience is well noted.You both have fed me enough enthusiasm /motivation.So much so I can run smoothly my first 10 K on October 17/2021 in Toronto with joy,almost near my 73rd birthday.Just to empower the nutritional thoughts "Cruciferous vegetables are all LGI foods as well as small fruits except Grapes.Mane run is the best.

  • @katrinapeacock8317
    @katrinapeacock83173 жыл бұрын

    I was about to say that I watched this whole bloody interview and loved it (thinking I was some kind of champion) and then I see dude below @kofuzi has watched it like 12 times. WTF mate.hahaha This is a great interview and I thank Jeffrey for sharing his story. Inspired again Floris!

  • @rliao
    @rliao4 жыл бұрын

    Great story and nice interview!!

  • @mkmstillstackin
    @mkmstillstackin4 жыл бұрын

    Being almost 50 myself, I love pretty much everything this guy talks about, from his anti "no pain, no gain" message, to his diet, to his Strava app endorsement. I'm a 6 time marathoner, soon to be 7, I don't employ MAF training at all but would one day like to. My PR is just 3:56:50. I have long-term BQ goals myself. Any tips on basic ways of getting started? Should I just read a MAF book? Or Rich Roll's finding Ultra? Are there books you endorse Floris? Oh, and great interview, by the way!!

  • @mkmstillstackin

    @mkmstillstackin

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@jeffreysilverhomes thank you, Mr. Silver!

  • @ricklathem4210
    @ricklathem42104 жыл бұрын

    Based on Jeffery's logic then he should be able to break 2 hours for the marathon in a few years. 1:18:00 I thought a 5k was 90% aerobic and 10% anaerobic.

  • @terraflow__bryanburdo4547
    @terraflow__bryanburdo45474 жыл бұрын

    Can anyone tell me what is an "Extramilest"? Thanks for the videos.

  • @TomTheAustrian
    @TomTheAustrian4 жыл бұрын

    Elevate is basically a free version of Training Peaks?

  • @jerrymulder45
    @jerrymulder454 жыл бұрын

    im a 56 year old male and I have used your 180 formula and just ran a 10 mile run at 125 HR and 9:40 miles. All was great until 7-8 miles and my heart rate went up to 133 HR. Is that common? Does this indicate that I need more long runs? I had been training at 8:45 and running a bit slower felt very comfortable through the entire run and I had no soreness the next day. Thanks for your advice. We will see if my times improve in the future.

  • @normanjohnstone9231
    @normanjohnstone92314 жыл бұрын

    Hi there. Another great video which I find particularly relevant to my own running “journey “ being a 50 + runner training at mainly MAF for over a year now. Went from a 4:12 in my first Marathon (London 2017) to 3:33 in Manchester this year. I’ve been training this summer towards an ultra (Glen ogle33) in a couple of weeks and have managed to get some good mileage volume in (50-60 miles per week) . I have found the “ fitness and freshness “ feature in a Strava very helpful in monitoring my fitness and fatigue levels so my question would be how you’d compare this feature to Elevate for Strava plug in?

  • @FlorisGierman

    @FlorisGierman

    4 жыл бұрын

    Hi Normal, nice work on your progress, well done. Exciting times ahead with your ultra training for your upcoming race. The Fitness and Freshness features has several similarities to the Elevate for Strava plug in. I suggest experimenting with the Elevate version too, the views and graphs are a bit different, I like looking at the running form numbers from Elevate as well (neutral, optimal, overload). Have fun at your upcoming race! Cheers

  • @stevencrossot6295
    @stevencrossot62954 жыл бұрын

    This is a wonderful interview, especially now that I am a 54 yr old runner who has just begun MAF training (4 weeks in). My MAF is currently set at 121 (180-54-5). The -5 is for my taking a break of 1.5 yrs from running (I was burned out). I wonder what pace I can actually eek out over time with such a low heart rate. I wonder if running at such a low heart rate/pace (first MAF test was a 10:30/mi avg pace) can have a negative effect on my mechanics, though my cadence is now often around 170. I wonder if running without much speed for 6 months or a year will conjure other possible consequences as well. Anyone have any thought/suggestions?

  • @ironhorse1020
    @ironhorse10204 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for the interview. One question, during LHR training period, will any training that has heart rate exceeding the HR threshold hurt the progress?

  • @FlorisGierman

    @FlorisGierman

    4 жыл бұрын

    Good question. As much as you'd want to limit the amount of high intensity workouts to avoid too much stress on your body, if you do an occasional higher HR workout, it's fine. As long as you keep it under control and not push yourself too hard, you should be able to work out again the following day without feeling low on energy / sore etc. If you do, take a rest day or go a bit more mellow next time. Cheers

  • @ironhorse1020

    @ironhorse1020

    4 жыл бұрын

    Thanks

  • @jamesgoodwin7742
    @jamesgoodwin77423 жыл бұрын

    Eh, I don’t know. I qualified for Boston when I was 28 but didn’t run it. Didn’t run for 12 years after that. Based on my current fitness and progression I really don’t think I could qualify again, even with another 2 years of training. My max heart rate is down a lot. A 6:20 mile pace was a breeze back then. Could run it for hours. But I’m struggling to break 6 in the mile now.

  • @FlorisGierman
    @FlorisGierman4 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for watching! What was your favorite quote or takeaway from this episode? I would love to hear from you in the comments. Have fun out there on your runs.

  • @GaryOutdoorsLiving
    @GaryOutdoorsLiving4 жыл бұрын

    Great show today... Soo today I went to a famous running store here in Orlando, FL to get new shoes... I asked two different employees about the Maffetone Slow heart rate running method.. they had no Idea of what that was. Needless to say I lost respect for that store just then.... and this store puts out races and runs throught the year!!!!

  • @manuparuthi

    @manuparuthi

    4 жыл бұрын

    Thanks yet again Floris! Great show! Life as it is for me right now, won't allow me to sign up for any race for possibly the next 18 to 20 months. My takeaway from your show today is to utilise this time to be consistent with just the the MAF method and hopefully consistently improve.

  • @davidjones2110
    @davidjones21104 жыл бұрын

    I wonder if he would have qualified for Boston if he weren’t wearing the Vaporfly Next %?

  • @FlorisGierman

    @FlorisGierman

    4 жыл бұрын

    Haha, Nike surely has a great job marketing that shoe :D

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    @FlorisGierman3 жыл бұрын

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  • @Abhishekpandher
    @Abhishekpandher4 жыл бұрын

    Hello Hello I Liked it ☺👍

  • @FlorisGierman

    @FlorisGierman

    4 жыл бұрын

    Hello 👋 glad to hear that. Thanks!

  • @nikitaw1982
    @nikitaw19822 жыл бұрын

    Vax stroke?

  • @nikitaw1982
    @nikitaw19822 жыл бұрын

    What personality type is he?

  • @toirleachomalley3264
    @toirleachomalley32644 жыл бұрын

    i had to stop watching after around 40 mins because of the clicking of the sharpie.

  • @FlorisGierman

    @FlorisGierman

    4 жыл бұрын

    Toirleach O'Malley that's a first, appreciate the feedback. I have no idea what sharpie sound you are talking about. Please let me know a time stamp of where you hear this sound. Thanks

  • @toirleachomalley3264

    @toirleachomalley3264

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@FlorisGierman sharpie is probably the wrong description. You have a pen in your hand and you start clicking on and off the lid. I hear it starting around the 20 minute mark and it continues to become more frequent. I have a sound sensitivity but so do about 20% of the population. I'm listening with headphones on my laptop so it may be more pronounced on this.

  • @peterwilkins7013
    @peterwilkins70134 жыл бұрын

    Disagree with this. Only keeping training to low heart rate is like building a house but getting no further than a strong foundation. It's only training one energy system. Yes it's better than 'no pain no gain' but a more rounded training programme would make you faster. I also don't see the point in finishing a marathon feeling fine - that's what training runs are for. Races should be harder and you should feel like you've raced. Ok if your objective is simply to finish a race then fine, but if your objective is to finish to finish as quickly as you can then you have to race it and train at different speeds.

  • @davidosolo

    @davidosolo

    3 жыл бұрын

    I guess you missed the point here Peter. Building a strong aerobic engine enabled Jeffrey to run the marathon as fast as he could, without stressing the body in such a terrible way as people without aerobic fitness are doing. Regarding the speed work: yes that may help. But it also increases your risks on injuries. On the other hand, there are very successful and fast runners out there, that do no speed work at all during training. Speedwork is not necessary if you are willing to get high mileage in. Cheers.

  • @RealStrategyGamingClassics
    @RealStrategyGamingClassics4 жыл бұрын

    this guy needs to downgrade to hiking or easy jogging or maybe just 10k runs if hes having seizures all the time. I had worse injuries than everyone here besides this guy I think. Having a seizure then thnking about my long run next day would wake me up 3:24 am scared and rethink doing it. BUt if the doctor says nothing to worry about then I guess he can in the end of November again.

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