The rise is 7.69 or 7 11/16 and the run is 9 1/2. The height is 69 1/4 so you would divide that number 69.25 by 9 which gives you the 7.69 rise or 7 11/16. The run is 9 1/2 so you times 9.5 x 8 because you always have one less run. The total run length is 76. Cut off whatever you are using for stair treads off the bottom of stringer. For instance if you are using a one inch thick stair tread cut one inch off bottom making the first rise 6 11/16 tall. The top rise will need to be held down 8 11/16. Lastly cut off the run of the top step for whatever you are using on the face of the rise treads. For example if you are using 3/4 plywood the top run on the stringer needs to be 9 1/2 minus 3/4 which gives you the top tread run of 8 3/4.

Thank God for KZreadrs that explain this in more detail.

I've always wanted too see how Tom did steps, he's a true Craftsmen.

Thank you for making this video! We just bought our first house and were wondering why we felt unsteady using the stairs; the measurements are wrong! So now, we know what the measurements are supposed to be, so we can plan for new stairs! Having the correct measurements and how to calculate them is a game changer!

👍👍 for the c-clamping square to straight edge idea. I’m going to use that on my next set of stairs. Thanks

Sometimes I have dreams that I'm Tom Silva and there's no challenge that cannot be conquered. Then I wake up and I'm just me.

@robbynenriquez

4 жыл бұрын

Tom S is the MacGyver of TOH and my hero. I do wish he had laid out the math a little more for us.

Wish they had this old house Vocational programs in Urban Community's kids will respect whatever they build with their own Hand's.

A master at work. That would take me probably about 100 tries to get done right as I've never done it before haha

There's a lot more to it than just that

Need to mention that most building codes have head height clearance rules for stairs, more likely a problem in interior.

Good as always. Hello from Germany.

I am building stairs soon in a tiny house that will go to a lofted area. I would like to have storage under the stairs. A mix of drawers and cabinets. Can I build them our of all plywood? Stringers too? How can I have a stringer on the outer portion of the stairs if most of it would need to be cut out for storage?

To calculate the number of steps, take the total height which in this case is 69.25, and divide by a number of steps you think will be needed. If the result is over 8 inches the result is a bad number of steps. If the result is in between 7 and 8 inches, the result is a good number of steps. If the result is under 7 inches, the result is a bad number of steps. Total Total Riser height Steps Height 69.25 / 8 = 8 11/16 bad 69.25 / 9 = 7 11/16 good 69.25 / 10 = 6 15/16 bad To calculate the step length, add the riser height to twice the step length. The result should be between 26 and 27 inches. Riser Tread Tread Height Length Length Total 7 11/16 + 9 + 9 = 25 25/36 bad 7 11/16 + 9 1/2 + 9 1/2 = 26 25/36 good 7 11/16 + 10 + 10 = 27 25/36 bad

@jonnboimuhfucka

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks.

@scotttovey

4 жыл бұрын

@@jonnboimuhfucka Your Welcome! 😎👍

@DSGLABEL

4 жыл бұрын

Steps are some intimidating.

@72strand

4 жыл бұрын

SH (step height) is 170 till 180 mm (6.7 inches to 7.0 inches) But the step depth is the magic number 620 mm (24.4 inches) in a formula. That is 2SH+1SD = 24.4" Now take Height 6.7" times 2 = 13.4" + X = 24.4" so X is 24.4 - 13.4 = 11" Test this (2x) SH = 6.7" + SD = 11" the total shall be 24.4" All this gives you that is you choose the step height of 7" the depth shall be shorter. You can do stairs that have longer depth. That is no problem. Just don't do them to short.

@scotttovey

4 жыл бұрын

@@72strand Actually, I worked the calculation until I got the same answers that Tommy provided in the video. FYI: Most code specifications in America are still SAE, not metric measurements.

You forgot crowning the boards sir. And mention that 37degrees is the default unless split foyer or failed amount of room

Thanks, I like the tip on how to use the square to get even measurements all the way across.

Tom did everything but tell us how he figured the rise and run.

@derekw40

2 жыл бұрын

Lol

@xgum

2 жыл бұрын

the man only works in right angles

@cussininthekitchen8224

2 жыл бұрын

Measure 7.5 inches on the sides

@itybitygangsta

2 жыл бұрын

Everything but how to do it lol

@dayzeo

Жыл бұрын

Wouldn’t you just divide to total height by 7.5” for the rise then multiply the resulting number by 10” for the tread?

I liked the idea with the framing square, but you never showed how to calculate the number of treads and risers one would need. I am finding when I see stairs with 9" treads (because of the lip of the finished tread above that), especially with older citizens, they are cautious where they plant their feet so they do not fall. I myself like 12" treads. Would you please show how to calculate stair treads with 12" treads and 7 1/2" Risers? Thank you.

I love this old house Page! These Guys are the best of the best!

Tom ran into a little problem on these stairs as a 9 1/2' tread is the minimum tread allowed. He probably has an issue with them sticking out in the hall but I'd make them closer to 10". 2r + t = 25 would give you 9 5/8".

Happy New Year

Well, he didn't explain the math between the rise and cuts...

@lionheart93

4 жыл бұрын

yup dislike

@NShores

4 жыл бұрын

I suspected from the start that the video wasn't going to be much of a deep dive, based on its (less than) 4 minute running time. I would really like to hear more about stairs!

@ImTheJoker4u

4 жыл бұрын

Or calculate the tread thickness.

@B.E.C.K.

3 жыл бұрын

Most pros use the Construction Calculator. It’s a great resource and comes as a phone app now too.

@thomaswayneward

3 жыл бұрын

There is no formula between the rise and tread, they are individually figured using the required horizontal length of the entire stair way and the required total height.

Good stuff per usual. Thanks.

Really l learning from you thanks

Thx for the video but there wasnt enough on the calc part. Have to know how to calculate rise and run to build atairs.

He forgot to subtract 1/4" to the bottom of the stringer that sits on the floor ,to accommodate for the thickness of the tread which is 1" thick .1" (Tread) - 3/4" (Floor) = 1/4" ,so by taking that 1/4" off the bottom it will lower the top tread 1/4" .Ex: Risers are suppose to be 7 1/2" high ,so by taking that 1/4" off the bottom your first rise at the bottom will be 7 1/4" high and the rise at the top (from the top of the floor to the top of the tread) will be 7 3/4" ,so when you install your hardwood floors or ceramic tiles with sub-floor (3/4") thick and your treads (1") thick all your risers will be equal from bottom to the top .You need to subtract what you intend to put on your floor to the thickness of the tread which is 1" thick .

@MLAZ55

Жыл бұрын

Yep, I came to the comment section to see if anyone else noticed this.

@tarahall1025

7 ай бұрын

Trying to design a switchback staircase- I want a rise of 6” and tread of 12.5” - is that allowed? And working with 10’ ceilings on main

I do stairs just like that the difference is that they give us the whole material cut already so we always have to adjust the stringers a little. It would be nice if they fit perfectly like how it did for this stair master

Your a rock star !

Og seems like a nice guy to work with 💪🏾

That track saw is the secret weapon!

How did you figure the angle for the birds Mouth on the bottom?

You need to think about tread thickness, too. For example: If finished floors are 3/4" and tread material is thicker (say 1.25") and you don't lower the risers that 1/2" difference, your first step up will be 1/2" taller and top step up 1/2" shorter than all the steps in between. Riser layout would be the same, but you'd need to cut that 1/2" off the bottom.

@mpybals8002

9 ай бұрын

You are right that you need to adjust for finished floor but your risers height is measured from finished floor. Your bottom step would be taller until the hardwood or whatever is installed.

@nailbanger2

7 ай бұрын

​@@mpybals8002 Always a good idea to start a story pole with ALL the pertinent information on it. This includes any possible landings, although this set didn't have any.

Going by the marks of a framing square when laying out stringers, you're almost always guaranteed to be off at least a 1/16nth of an inch. Measuring the hypotenuse is the only accurate method for stringer layout. I rarely see anyone do that.

@wboquist

2 жыл бұрын

That's true. I once saw a carpenter use the square, and he gained about an eighth of an inch on each tread. Over sixteen treads, he was off two inches at the top.

@apostasiaelegcho5612

2 жыл бұрын

@CORNER MARKET PLACE Ok :)

im clueless, Tommy FTW!

What is the cut you made on the bottom of the stringer that locked in the floor? I never seen anyone explain that

Great! But what are the required dimensions of the board before it's cut into stringers? (2x8? 2x10? 2x12?)

@Don.kee.ho-tay

Жыл бұрын

2x12

In Washington State there should had been a safety rail around that mid level floor they working on.

Let’s see how the top went

hello I have space which is 98 inches height and 50 inches on the ground. How can those stairs be designed?

Never a thumbs down. But this topic should have more info.

What about picking the right lumber for the stringers? What grain direction works best? What grain direction works best for the treads?

@wboquist

2 жыл бұрын

You can ask for "stringer stock" at the lumber yard to receive suitable lumber.

Riverside California building code doesn’t allow the use of screws, they call for 16ds.

Has TOH ever reviewed Larry Haun's videos from the 1970's?

@thomaswayneward

3 жыл бұрын

No, Larry Haun's videos were associated with Fine Homebuilding, a competitor.

What are the minimum requirements for headroom for people who are using the stares?

What is that he has attached to his power saw?

Plz can you make a video of your cordless drill

what about connecting where can i find 45 degree hangers for stringers

How to cut stringers for unlevel landing I've hunted for your video an can not find it ,please put it on here

what about thickness of tread finish

What I do is: After the lay out with the square, LEAVE the pencil mark with the saw blade, this is the template. For the rest of the stringers, put the pencil mark DOWN on each new stringer, and REMOVE the pencil mark with the saw blade. Your stringers should all be the same... Good luck !

How did you calculate the notch on the bottom stair?

@quinnhooper5103

2 жыл бұрын

I was looking for that as well

Drill a hole where rise and run meets less apt to splitting

Didnt show how to get angle on bottom to lay flush

We have to have a 90 (Lshape) staircase going to basement. Two of the floor joists have to be removed to allow for head room. Do the headers that cap off the floor joists have to be supported by a wall under them, or can I keep it open?

@larryc8568

Жыл бұрын

I know it is late, but the joists holding the header should be doubled.

It must be nice having a $700 circular saw for a project…

I don't think he said how wide the stringer board has to be. Basic info...

What about the pitch of each tread ???

You didn't explain the cut that attaches to the board

Building Staircases can be a DIY puzzle box! Another quick and informative video ATOH! 🏠

I’m always one step ahead. Like a carpenter. Who builds stairs.

Twice the rise plus the run (2r+R) should be within an inch of 25”. 😉

When is the show on? It was on PBS at 7 pm Saturday’s in NY. Can’t find it anymore.

@felipepubillones2768

4 жыл бұрын

Believe it's strictly online now

@garychambers5930

4 жыл бұрын

In Arkansas it come on PBS Saturday's at 1:00 New episodes I would think it would be the same everywhere in the US

Wow I will never do stairs another way. I like the circular saw with guide/fence/track attachment too

@MattLitkeRacing

4 жыл бұрын

Nick DiFilippo it’s a Festool HKC saw

@Scottybravo1

4 жыл бұрын

For almost $900 for that saw and track, I don't like it that much

@MattLitkeRacing

4 жыл бұрын

Scottybravo1 time is money. Most good tools will pay for themselves if that’s the work you do

@thomaswayneward

3 жыл бұрын

They are being paid to promote the guide. Any carpenter would be laughed at on the job if they used that guide. I can cut as good as a table saw on any cut, freehand, and so can any good carpenter.

@nailbanger2

7 ай бұрын

​@@thomaswayneward You are correct about the festool track saw, but having spent over 40 years trying, I still haven't gotten to the level of skill you claim to possess. I haven't seen it in any others, either. What a good carpenter does is work around his deficiencies. I have several homemade track saws, simple masonite and 3/4"x3/4" hardwood saw guide in lengths of 8', 50", and 18" that take the skill of cutting a straight line out of the equation. For most things, I don't even take them out of the truck. But when I'm building cabinets or coffered ceilings, or stairs, they come in real handy for the price of $20.

I just wish the template was better explained. I expected to see it on top or something. :(

How much money would it cost to make a 7-step stone and concrete staircase in front of the house?

@richarddannov5784

2 жыл бұрын

If you have to ask, you haven’t saved enough yet

riser height = 7.5 in and tread = 10 to 10.5 in.

So much missing info.

I can build stairs after this 3 min video.

My dad always used these two little brass clamp things when he did stairs idk what they're called

@bilbobaggins3333

3 жыл бұрын

They’re called rafter buttons

@williamwadford3707

3 жыл бұрын

Their called square nocks

@Fnberg744

2 жыл бұрын

My old man gave me his recently

@nailbanger2

7 ай бұрын

This is 3 years old, but for anyone looking on Amazon, they're stair gauges.

Not only that …. measurement for foot or base .

What would the correct rise and run be on Led Zeppelin's Stairway To Heaven ?

@kellyanderson995

Жыл бұрын

4/4

@nailbanger2

7 ай бұрын

​@@kellyanderson995 I always thought it was NO QUARTER.

Tim didn’t explain how to calculate the rise and run 🤨

He didn't cover how to figure the tread width. The total length, on a horizontal, of the stairs, always has a requirement. The tread must be adjusted accordingly.

Dude. Rise and run are one thing. Unit rise and unit run are another. Got to be specific man. Vary vary specific.

@nailbanger2

7 ай бұрын

That's " very, very specific ".

Failed to tell people how you calculated the tread and riser size.

You didn't explain the math..

@thomaswayneward

3 жыл бұрын

the math is fifth grade stuff.

Nails are actually better than screws for 99% of wood framing-the most important thing you want in a fastener for a building unless you are sistering material is sheer strength. I feel like he’s sold out to be more attractive to the undereducated viewer. This is why men like Essential Craftsman and Larry Haun just can’t be replaced. It bothers me that the kind of work that is typically to be very home-grown is becoming so commercialized.

@thomaswayneward

3 жыл бұрын

Nails are plenty good for all carpentry. A single 16 sinker will hold about 400 lbs. so four in a stud is 1600 lbs.

I do not like Tommy saying “That’s illegal” 😭

*Break a hip ... grandma !*

@gerardcomeau2160

4 жыл бұрын

*_____✒ this old house.*

👍👍

I didnt learn anything.

You didn't show the most important things, the 5.5 inch first step, and where it ended up at the top, were you 7.5 inchs down from the top or flush with the top, all you really showed was your little jig.

All the years I've been watching this show, How come they never show these guys messing up a project?😄😂😂.. 🤷🏽‍♀️I wanna see some mistakes made by these "master carpenters".. 😁☺️😖😂😅

@lionheart93

4 жыл бұрын

no mistakes made here

Lacked detail

Wrong title on this video

These videos are much too short

@josephkilleen7807

4 жыл бұрын

As in, "They give you a flyover of a project, but not the substance to complete a job." They are not teachers, that's for damned sure. They often tell a DIY'er just enough to make them dangerous.

If your up in north Maine Just use the circular saw to finish cut the stair stringers That extra meat you cut into with the circular saw doesn’t really matter 🤣🤦🏻‍♂️😂

After this 3 minute video with its lack of in-depth techniques and methodology, I'm just going to install an elevator !

@Fnberg744

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly. Left out as much as he included

poor explanation and incomplete

Thumbs down. Explained nothing. Slight kudos for the board square setup. Otherwise how long a stringer do you need. What’s the run? No math. Disappointing.

This video is tv fluff, skipped the important stuff.

This video was pointless. It didn't show how to lay out stairs whatsoever.

normally one would make a templet, and then make the rest..

@josephkilleen7807

4 жыл бұрын

🤣

😂what

During Trump's second term he's going give Biden a televised kiss on the cheek

@jacqdanieles

3 жыл бұрын

-4 more years- 😂

@gina4319

2 жыл бұрын

@CORNER MARKET PLACE Some Lumpy Dumpy in the Pen 😂

@gina4319

2 жыл бұрын

💋CORNER PLACE 💋

0:40 which idiot designed those stairs. They are good for if you want to fall down. Here the steps are too small 3:17, yet another disaster. the steps seem too high, difficult to carry things up. Has no one in the US an idea how to design the ideal stair?

@eireannsg

4 жыл бұрын

@DR PHIL Of course Amsterdam and the UK are bad examples. In other European countries that type of stairs would not get an approval. Guess the family of this old house is originally from England or Holland.

@eireannsg

4 жыл бұрын

@DR PHIL Yupp

@eireannsg

2 жыл бұрын

@CORNER MARKET PLACE the steps are too high, the stair is too steep and the entire foot doesnt fit on one stair step. I posted my initial comment 2 years ago.

Very basic and incomplete video