7.5k offlaner here, there's a lot of nuance that just can't fit into a 10 minute video but I think you did a really good job explaining the most basic gameplan of how offlane should work. I'll send this to lower ranked friends that ask me about offlane advice.

@davidvogt24

Ай бұрын

Are there any other offlane guides/channels you recommend? I’m an offlaner constantly looking for more resources to improve

@snowshow6207

Ай бұрын

@@davidvogt24 Khezu has a video on how to recover from bad lanes by watching Collapse play, Saberlight streams on twitch sometimes and is pretty educational and entertaining. Otherwise I recommend using d2pt to find offlaners with a playstyle you want to emulate and watch what they do. I aim to make some guides myself at some point but we'll see if I get around to it

@milancvetkovic2312

Ай бұрын

ive just reach 5K as an Offlaner there are sum really hard going pos 1 at mid Divine brucket

This is your best video in terms of instruction. There is ZERO fluff and every second is informative. You don't overwhelm and you provide actionable behaviors and associate them with the timer. Really, really good content.

You completely called me out, and I appreciate it! I’ve always moved around after taking the tier 1 in hopes of winning other lanes and keeping the momentum up, but I’m glad you pointed out how letting the safelaner farm freely is basically throwing away the momentum you’re trying to build

brand new player to dota 2 here. Started playing Dragon knight which i read is suitable for offlaanes and this video really helped. Managed to keep the offlane occupied for a long time, although i lack skills to get kills i held the enemy for pretty long and resulted in them not levelling up, so i still consider it a success. Great tip

Im 4k offlaner. And yes i did mistake like after take t1 tower. I rotate for other t1. But after some game i realize its better to controlling enemy safelane. 100% agree

@knkaitlog

8 күн бұрын

stupid teammate carry will protect his t1 tower to death when he can farm fast and safer in jungle lmfao

5k Offlane main here. It's interesting how I reflect this video onto the heroes that I play - the most succesfull offlane heroes I have are the ones I can confidently pull off the "Harass enemy safelane and farm their jungle" off. Any and all other offlaners are mediocre at best. Fun correlation I had not thought of.

7.2k offlaner here, Personally I play unconventional offlaners like Lone Druid. Assert dominance in lane, and push. Push push push. My pushing stat on my profile hovers between 10-9.8 as I average 27k building damage. Objectives win games folks

This is so helpful, thank you! Please give us more offlane content!

Played dota for 20 years and didnt know this. Gold

This feels like it's finally explaining to me the basic concepts that are beginner friendly without being "click on creeps to get gold! Click your keyboard to do spells!" Incredible video and love your offlane content

My long waited video. Thanks bro

No way my request actually went through. Thank you

@BalloonDota

Ай бұрын

I always try my best to listen to my subscribers and viewers 🤙🏻

Thanks for this. im an offlaner in the past and now im back to offlane and looking for some advice. this is helpfull. earned my sub.!

Awesome guide! I know you already have a very detailed guide with a checklist for carry, but I really like this video where you express the high-level philosophy and approach to the game. The carry guide feels a bit overwhelming since there are so many items, and I'm not sure about the overall mindset/approach, so I'd love a video for "How to Play Carry like an IMMORTAL" etc as well.

Hit Guardian 2 today. this vid came in clutch and helped a lot. I especially love the tip of buying wards to farm in their jungle and keep bullying their safe lane after taking their tower. GAME CHANGER. Everything here helped me but that was the thing I wasn't doing at all and left the lane after killing the tower shutting down the first 10 mins of the carry. I especially felt it when the WK safe lane kept complaining about after the game to his teammates that I didn't leave him alone all game as Tide XD.

That was intricate man! Absolutely awesome!

Man very good video!! Keep up the good work!!

This is so helpful! Thanks so much 🤩

Looking forward to your advance mid lane guide video

It's so so helpful bro. Keep up the good work

Great video bro, stopped playing recently cause of work, but content is still awesome!

@BalloonDota

Ай бұрын

Thanks bro, glad to hear you still doing alright

Hey Balloon, great video! Do you have a word doc with the script in? It would be really great if I could have it on my 2nd monitor for when I'm playing. Thank you!

nice helpful video sir!

5:18 this is definitely something i need to do when ahead, grabbing obs and denying enemy jungle after t1 down is huge. could you go over how to approach teamfights as pos 3? at least for melee initiator since that's mostly the meta. i've been trying to focus on more backline kills and getting out (not hard committing until we have cd/hero advantage) but jumping in first is hard especially once you're behind

More offlane content please!

Awesome video, will he trying this. Im about 2k mmr, are there any heros you would recommend thst are quite forgiving in these priciples? I am currnetly focusing on dk and abaddon. Should i look to go more for axe/mars/tide?

@BalloonDota

Ай бұрын

Lane dominators are generally preferred to be able to start this movement as early as possible. Examples are Primal Beast, Dawnbreaker, Dragon Knight is okay, Death Prophet, Razor, Omniknight, Abaddon, Slardar

I’m a low rank offlaner and this helps so much can you also do one for soft support? that’s what my friend plays

I tried IO offlane using this strat, got mek faster which made us win the tower early by tower diving

The stats build is easy to convert to Agility and Intelligence offlaners, but what would you recommend as a stats build for offlane Universal heroes? I've gone double circlet triple branch tango or double circlet double branch quelling tango based on instinct but would like to hear your thoughts. Seems a lot of immortal players go either double circlet triple branch tango or 4/5x branch and tango getting a quelling with 4 branches build

@BalloonDota

Ай бұрын

If universal heroes then spam circlets and branches. 2 circlets 3 branches tango seem about right

@frostmorty1058

Ай бұрын

Im 7k offlaner i like range universal heroes a lot because u just enemy carry and wins lane and u have insane damage and tanky because u have many stats heroes like ww, enigma, wr, etc over all like to go magic wand 3x branch or 2 circlet 3 branch tango and sentry because as a offlaner your enemys small camp should always be blocked i hope i was little bit of help peace :)))

Good information

Nice. We need more guide about offlaner and supp since the carry role is so overrated

What should your Pos4 do in the early game after the safe lane tower is downed? Should they go help the team, or do they stay with the offlaner and try to find the enemy’s pos 1?

@BalloonDota

Ай бұрын

The pos 4 would help the pos 3 secure the entire enemy safelane and jungle with wards before attempting to leave (or until an urgent scenario happens like tp dive to save or counter gank that presents itself).

After looking back at my games, I realise I have very good win rate when I play like this from a pos 5 pos as a warlock. My offlane always go around all over the map anyway.

LIsan Al Gaib has given us more content. Rejoice, off-laners!!!!

Please create also for Safe lane and Mid lane.

Thank you bro I’m just a 1k offline noob

These are all basic. If you are under 3k offlaner then just follow these rules and you will surely reach 3.5k. This is the first time I am watching some good content on offlane. It is tough to find videos like these for offlane.

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Honestly I tried several approaches playing offlane, right now im divine 3 and what I notice when i try to keep controlling the enemy safe lane area, the enemy team just collapses on me and i get caught and die, giving huge gold and experience. Usually when this happens i m alone because supports go elsewhere when tower is taken, I guess i should ward for myself and try to dodge ganks better

@BalloonDota

Ай бұрын

Hi, securing and maintaining area control has to be done without throwing and feeding, hence the self warding and sharp map awareness. If you risk getting ganked, then you shouldn't be overextending and trying to get control over the lane.

@algorix8420

29 күн бұрын

​@@BalloonDotai wanted to Say, im still spamming offlane and I am divine 5 right now, I definitely got Better at doing this, thank you for pointing out

@BalloonDota

29 күн бұрын

@@algorix8420 Glad its working out for you bro!

I just try this tips, always work with good picking hero support, but sometimes if you have a team like pos 5 alchemist, position 5 necro like support playing carry its hard to win the game like, these player picking carry as a support and buying items as a carry, cant still win a game

Played a game yesterday and ppl were mad at the off lane for choosing Riki

I felt personally called out when you said 99% of offlaners transition to each tower after taking tier 1 haha. Eye opening video will focus more on bullying the safelaner. QQ though. How about if you are playing against an enemy carry that has potential to kill you if you try to bully them. Eg: Im always afraid of Jug post level 6 since he can just melt me with ult. So in these cases it feels like Im just pushing the deadlane into them and they get to farm

@BalloonDota

Ай бұрын

Hi bro, as long as you can move forwards without risk of death then that would always be the ideal play. In cases where the carry is a threat or a potential gank from missing heroes is possible, then just chill and farm safely (their camps still if possible, push the wave safely with spells without showing to right click wave) or just go back to your own camps/pull camp for lane to push back to your side again.

can a midlaner do these things? I mean to keep pushing the dead lane if no one is doing it ?

@BalloonDota

Ай бұрын

Yeah for sure, playing good dota is just constant pressure on map without throwing leads.

Can I ask for your opinion on what I observed on pro players? It is for offlaners too

@BalloonDota

Ай бұрын

Yes bro what would you like to discuss about?

@quediezmo680

Ай бұрын

@@BalloonDota its about the starting items you discussed. I watched a lot of Gabbi and Collapse, and they tend to start the game with 0 regens and maximize stats to trade more efficient then sending out regens as the first courier trip.

@quediezmo680

Ай бұрын

Mostly 2 gauntlet 1 circlet 3 branches

@BalloonDota

Ай бұрын

@@quediezmo680 This is because in higher mmr games, the supports are generally more inclined to give them regen to sustain in lane. They want to start with more stats for health and trading ability because high level dota starts trading in lane very very early. Whereas in lower brackets you don't really know how your support in lane is thinking or whether or not they will have prepared regen for you/even start at lane with you. Hope that makes sense.

@quediezmo680

Ай бұрын

@@BalloonDota okaokay because I am playing at divine-immortal rank and started questioning if i was copying the right guys xD

When pos1 or pos2 always cry when they lose their lane then see offlane goes farm 😅😅😅

how do i control lane position if my support is useless pudge / mirana? why does it matter if i push hte tower (i cant push the tower) if their enemy had 10-15 minutes of freefarm and im 0 farm?

@d-mon666

Ай бұрын

It explain in early video. Retreate to ur own jungle. Try stacking and self farm. Depend on ur hero

@gnubbiersh647

Ай бұрын

@@d-mon666 so now my carry is playing vs trilane, and i get reported because im jungling in ranked

@Topbot-zw7qc

Ай бұрын

Depends on ur pick, if 4pos pudge then u must pick range 3pos or brew, ds, if mirana, pick melee 3pos.

First 🎉

I have incredible difficulty playing with a support on my side, it seems like he doesn't know what to do to help me, so I'm starting to play on my own, buying wards and sentry and retreating the lane.

@Delacrow_l_Chawngthu

Ай бұрын

If you want a good support, communicate politely. We supports got no love so a lot of us just want a humble core to support. Oh and buy youself wards too, it may be a support job but we cant do everything and be everywhere ourself.

What if you got ganked roaming around the jungle and enemy safe lane? Like smoke or something

@BalloonDota

Ай бұрын

You would keep up the pressure in their jungle for as long as you can until the enemies try to do something against you. Once that happens, and you clearly can't return to keep up pressure there again, just retreat to your triangle to farm and spam pull the big camp for the wave to come closer until a fight breaks out somewhere else that requires you to go to.

@sebastianocampo71997

Ай бұрын

@@BalloonDota ok thank you, u didnt mention it in your video

So, just to be clear. 6 days ago, your student was a higher rank than he was 3 days ago. Meaning his score is going down? Archon 4 is higher than Crusader 1, but his most recent game (3 days ago) is that of a crusdar. Also, quite the leap to in 3 days. Am I missing something?

@BalloonDota

Ай бұрын

He is hovering around archon 5 to legend 1 whereas from before he was archon 2-3 stuck for long time. The crusader games are him playing partied with his lower ranked friends.

lol. i thought my monitor suddenly broke at 1:26

I am the new Collapse

My two cents: - first and foremost...dont feed! It is better to let their carry to have an easy laning phase than risking too much and get killed; - always harras the support, not the carry. Most carries dont do shit early Game (other than slark, Ursa or gyro). If you zone out the support usually the carry Will have a very hard time staying in the lane; - if you get hard supports that are very strong early Game (ogre, WD, lich), just accept it and focus on surviving until you have your ulti/Minimum items. Finally, if you want to climb low rank, play bristtle back as offlaner...most people below 5k fail to deal with this Hero.

making the screen dark to highlight certain part of the screen is hella distracting

asdf

Its so cringe how content creators show the graph of how many viewers are not subscribed.

This only works with immortals where supports know lane equilibrium and shit and blocking camps all my supports know is to steal creeps and want to arcane and they want to carry when i do the support my core offlane has all the creeps then a fed offlaner of thier team comes top i hate this shit whether my support is shit i manage to win lane by picking kunkka had 20 wins in a row but the problem comes from other lanes I can't play all lanes hate this circle jerking team tactics

sgporean? hahhahaha

@BalloonDota

9 күн бұрын

Nope, from Malaysia

@Fakeslimshady

9 күн бұрын

@@BalloonDota hahah same same lah

In 4k mmr no one listen to you! People playing as they want. Picking Pudge as pos4, missing hooks and doing absolutely nothing in lane!