How to: Manually Pick Up a Bore or a Hole with an Indicator - Haas Automation Tip of the Day
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In today’s episode, Mark covers another topic that every machinist - whether a beginner or an experienced pro - can benefit from: Using an indicator to manually locate a hole. It’s not as simple as it sounds. Watch as Mark walks through a step-by-step demonstration, using various techniques and several different styles of indicator!
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My heart actually jumped when the indicator got destroyed!
I actually appreciate that you gave no warning to the crash because in real life Machining when you crash there is no warning!!
@rdhingrausic
6 жыл бұрын
Ruben Alvarez ghhh
@Ztalin
5 жыл бұрын
@@highstreetkillers4377 if you're not crashing you're not working Hard enough.
@TheWireEDM
5 жыл бұрын
There is one warning. It's the voice that in your head says "naaah, not gonna check, it's probably fine"
@manicmotox4214
5 жыл бұрын
@@Ztalin or maybe......you work hard enough, and your just a safety Susan 😄........I'm sure that's a thing, I'm sure of it! Lol
@Ztalin
5 жыл бұрын
@@manicmotox4214 whats the fun in that?!
Your videos ROCK. I have no expectation of ever running CNC machines because virtually everything I do is a one-off. The benefit is that the basic challenges between manual and CNC machining are identical. Every successful project starts with a good reference point and that is, IMO, one of the Haas Automation video strengths.
This is the best explanation so far on youtube. I've watched many. You guys rock!
TIP (for newbies): Initially centering the point of the indicator can be relatively complicated if the holding arm is at all offset and/or the indicator is twisted. It's rarely as quick as the video makes it seem, hence the reason he says, "Now, if this takes a little bit of time..." In my experience it's not worth the time and can be a total pain! Instead and before using your indicator, put something round into your chuck (preferably with a point) to locate the hole by eye. Personally I use a 3/8" drill blank, with a 45 degree point ground onto the end, but anything will work (chamfer tool, dowel pin, etc.).. Will get you VERY close before indicating, trust me!
@KARLOS121
Жыл бұрын
I would use a spiral pointed tap in my drill chuck, works great. Nicer point than a drill
@TheSMPeto32
Жыл бұрын
@@KARLOS121 a drill blank is just a rod with no flutes, etc...
@indubitably424
Жыл бұрын
I'm about a month in as machinist ( all manual). I have been relying heavily on using an edge finder to locate because I can never get my indicator tip to line up on center and then rotate around a small diameter like a 3/8 pin. This sounds like what I need to try. Thank you.
HI all and Happy New Year! These CNC Videos are of great help to me even though I am not yet proficient enough of a machinist to be working in CNC Thanks for keeping up with the simple stuff!
thank you Mark, and Haas Automatons for the very helpful tip of the day videos. I watch every chance I get.
I love these tip of the day vids, keep up the good work guys 👍
This dudes a legend so greatful for every upload makes things so simple
Thank you so much for these videos Haas! Love Mark!
I just got my first coax indicator and it is the best indicator of any type that I have ever used.
Excellent video, Simple and straight forward.
I seen it thrice, I felt that in my heart when you crashed it. Finally a good caution and note! Thanks to Mark from Haas
Just learnt a years worth of information in 7 minutes. Love love love this channel
@spezkay81
5 жыл бұрын
Thiago Cruz a year? What? Where did u learn to machine? I learned all this my first week.
i dont know shit about machining but i sat and watched this entire video for some reason
Happy New Year! and to that indicator that was crushed in the making of this video, it was well worth it!
Thanks, great refresher to look at from time to time.. and yes the indicator crash had me in stitches too
This is a very informative video for someone that is new to the trade, it's pretty much everything I would tell a new person in the milling dept, except I don't smash indicators on purpose. It is good to show what happens though for someone who has never experienced that happening. It's not pretty.
Loved the cracked mirror. Great video guys. It is because of these videos i bought a Haas.
@haasautomation
7 жыл бұрын
That's great to hear Rob. We hope these videos are helping machinists and shop owners around the world with the problems they run into every day. And when they help prospective owners decide that a Haas might be their best machine tool choice, that's a great result as well.
I don't have a Haas but this was EXACTLY what I was looking for. No hype just good info. THANKS!
That crash made me jump! Goodness, that really hurts!
@haasautomation
7 жыл бұрын
Sorry to give you a scare Ray! The tool used in the video was an already-broken indicator from Mark's private stash, which allowed us to illustrate the point without damaging a working indicator.
@andresjim6490
4 жыл бұрын
Haha me too jump :D
That crash almost made a grown man cry
@Iceberg86300
7 жыл бұрын
Chad Krause seriously! Oddly I was just poking around long island indicator today and saw that my compac is now up to just shy of $300. I would have been bawling if that was in the machine!!!!
@haasautomation
7 жыл бұрын
Sorry to cause you grief Chad! The tool used in the video was an already-broken indicator from Mark's private stash, which allowed us to illustrate the point without damaging a working indicator.
@muellermaxwell
7 жыл бұрын
i yelled in agony! haha
@hansmeyer7520
6 жыл бұрын
Nice Video !
@4DIYers
6 жыл бұрын
Lol, glad I wasn't the only one feeling that. My heart just dropped when I saw that!
That looks great, I really like it.
Good explanations. Good job.
Great demonstration. I learned a lot quite quickly. Thank you very much. Kind regards, Eric Dee
The more of these tips I watch, the happier I am with my purchase of my HAAS mill & lathe.
Excellent tip. Thanks very much!
Thanks for the very practical info
Hey everyone! A viewer just showed me a magnetic edge finder tool that helps you indicate the edge or corner of a part easily, even if the block is at a funny angle. These are terrific, I need one for my toolbox! Check them out and never stop learning! -Mark, Haas Tip of the Day www.swissprec.com/cgi/ISSRIT2?pmaka=98-337-9&pmctlg=01%26%2365533%3B www.jtsmach.com/jtswebshop/Measuring/PM482.asp
@julianlopez9123
7 жыл бұрын
Haas Automation, Inc. How do I utilize the magnetic edge finder?
@jimszabo1239
4 жыл бұрын
If your talking about the Machinist Chair? The company ampg.com is the manufactor of them.. check their page out as they have alot of unique goodies. I found another indicator holder like the stick one that alot of the guys with interapids use. It is made by pmir.com locally to me here in Cleveland,Ohio.. A older gentleman who ran boring mills came up with it. He has them in 1/2", and 3/8" shank. He wants about $50.00 For either one. I bought both. I add the links or take them out to make for a shorty or long length for the tasks I need. Best part is it is more stought and can hold the import indicators and Interapids for almost any regular task
@luckyphelps8711
2 жыл бұрын
I would add setting the spindle to a low RPM prior to attaching your indicator. "S100 M3" has never shot my indicator across the room. Accidentally starting one at 1500 or so is instant death. When I was just starting out the shop I worked at bought us all new mititoyo indicators. My boss, one of the owners, started the spindle and before he would even say "oh sh. " My indi was scattered. I still have the body. And the indicol is still in use damn near daily. Good series though.
This is a great video. This method can also be used for testing probe accuracy by comparing center located with dial indicator and center located with probe.
@bikramthakulla8136
2 жыл бұрын
Yes
My heart skipped a beat when the indicator crashed!
I love your videos guys because with your videos my job is more fun :)
that indicator crash tore out a piece of my soul holy shit
Ola Mark. Excelente vídeo, mostrou alternativas que eu não conhecia sobre centragem. Um dos maiores motivos de problemas em usinagem. abraço Le
This has been very helpful!
Very knowledgeable videos. Great work
Awesome Video! I don't know why I even went through an apprenticeship when I could have just watched these videos. One thing to note though is that, with a lot of indicators, changing the travel direction causes a difference in readings. Play I guess. This really only counts in super close tolerance work, but it's still good to know.
@haasautomation
7 жыл бұрын
Erik - Thanks for the comment. If you have any suggestions for new TOD videos, send them our way, TOD@haascnc.com. - Mark, Haas Tip-of-the-day
I love haas machines especially the vf1 and the tl1
Very Very interesting. Good indications for a good work
Beautiful Bro!
Очень наглядная и доступная подача информации. Замечательное видео.
Thanks for sharing.
you are awesome! thanks for all the videos
Mark, you are brutal! Not even a moment of silence for the dead indicator!
Archief that ondicator breacking , it literaly Hurted me , an the small sidenote in the corner of screen , pure genius ! ..lol Gtrs from the Netherlands Johny geerts Grts from the netherlands
Great job. Thanks
amazing video!
Mr. Mark you are better than my chef in the factory.. i better learn from you.
These tips are handy for me, as both of our Haas mills at school do not have Probes. Thanks!
@haasautomation
7 жыл бұрын
You're welcome Christopher! Thanks for the comment!
Very awesome Gaidens
Very good!
It 's giving very good knowlege
Thnx sir for sharing this information..🤗🤗
Great video! Can you do one on the basics of a probe and how to use it? Thanks, -Chris
thank you
I broke Renishaw thus, as shown in the 07:42 minute. DDD well, that only the probe and not the entire measuring holder. Pretty good advice, especially for beginners
thnks buddy it was very helpful
OMD! That indicator crash made me jump off my chair!! Nice video as usual minus the crash of course =))
this is awesome
great videos sir....please make videos on cutting speeds and feeds, programming
Thank you
Good information thanks sir
Good Videos thank you.
Fantastic video. One tip on the Co-Axis indicator. They sometimes will not read on center due to run out in the holder, so it's a good idea to double check them against a typical indicator. I've got a few non working indicators if you need them for future videos. :-p
Argh, how about a warning of graphical content next time? 2:38 :)
@haasautomation
7 жыл бұрын
We like the idea Kent, thanks! Sorry to give you a scare. Rest easy, the tool used in the video was an already-broken indicator from Mark's private stash, which allowed us to illustrate the point without damaging a working indicator.
@BrianMDPhD
7 жыл бұрын
Kent VanderVelden Right!? What horror!
@lankysapien3032
7 жыл бұрын
Or a trigger warning or something. I'm having nightmares tonight!
@madswinebbq
6 жыл бұрын
Kent VanderVelden In real life there is no warning when you crash! Just shame and everyone gathering around saying "what happened?". 🤣🤣🤣
@thiagocruzy
5 жыл бұрын
cringe worthy yikes!
thanks this video is fully help me
Thank you very helpfull video
It really did hurt at the crash. First in stomach then the pain went up to my heart. My brain did not work.
I think you guys should do several Haas TOTD segments at and with NYC CNC (John Saunders), entitled "Tips for brand new Haas owners". I think it would really work well, and pull in many prospects for new machines. You're welcome. :-) -S (...a happy TL-1 owner)
Hello, put in G54 annd G55 two differentzeros to make the same piece in different reference points, I did it a while ago in Dewoo 4020 vertical machining center, and I used a Pycock tracer, I see that you use the Z+ for anything the encoder is in a mayor advance , the concentration is paramount and avoid being distracted by third parties, excellent quality of work, naw in another company Iam in charge of center HAAS VF6/50., very good machine, congratulation. Best regards Denis Morend.
It's very useful
Good Haas, Thanks. I wait Your Video. Good... Good
On the long stem Mitutoyo 513 series indicator. Get the swivel stem attachment for it. It is the best investment
That is the great video some help ful And how to set down dial centre orgin
I remember when I had problems with this, never thought I’d ever get it. Now it takes me seconds. Lol 😂
@markterryberry4477
2 жыл бұрын
That is so very true. Same thing with making a vise straight.
Smart method
I like to put a pin in a tool holder or just line up a tool that is close to the diameter of the hole to speed up the eyeballing. I get much closer to center before I even start indicating.
Thanks sir
Thankss
I pooped myself too but the saw the black dial face and knew it was a cheapo-depo. Really like the tip to eyeball the center line at the beginning. The indicator never lies and will save you sanity of the probe is on the fritz.
@ydna
7 жыл бұрын
look again, that was a Brown and Sharpe Besttest!
@timmallard5360
7 жыл бұрын
Andrew Ydna DuBuc Ill be dammed your right! I guess Hass needed to create an accurate simulation i guess. Then again a Chinese knock off isn't even even aloud in the parking lot at Hass
@yalgret
5 жыл бұрын
@@highstreetkillers4377 what's best in your opinion, Mazak?
2:38 haha it hurts, thanks again and keep up the good work.
Excelent video as always! Thanks!
@haasautomation
7 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the positive comment Mateo!
Is there a name for the DTI stand that you use in this video? I need one of these.
Do you have a link for these indicators you used here
I actually gasped at 2:40. Gave me a heart attack.
Thanks for subjecting us all to 2:38
Thanks dear sir....
Thanks.
That crash hurt me. and it took me a while to get over it. even had to rewind to just after it to hear what you said.
does anyone know the name of the arm extension he using for the vertical indicator?
I've found that if .001 is good enough for location, a Blake Co-Ax is the fastest way to find the hole. If you need better accuracy, then switching to a tenth reading indicator will do nicely.
@Wat-Dat
2 жыл бұрын
This man speaks the truth. My coaxial indicator is the most useful tool in my box. And only $80 on ebay for a cheap one.
Almost crap myself when you broke that indicator :))))))
@haasautomation
7 жыл бұрын
Sorry to give you a scare! The tool used in the video was an already-broken indicator from Mark's private stash, which allowed us to illustrate the point without damaging a working indicator.
@fattyinger
7 жыл бұрын
Just you know how you react when you broke a tool... I literally felt like that :)))
Those various indicators are so beautiful, bcoz i only have one for all purposes
That indicator crashing was a jumpscare. Laying down in bed watching this and jumped 😂.
@6:13 what does he say, I cant understand him, sound like, "I really klike palywith, this is a 3/8s sensor" ? Thanks
Another tip. Before ya got your hundred and fifty dollar indicator in the spindle, run "S100M3" to prevent an accidental spindle start from flinging your indicator across the room. Don't sit there and think it can't happen. True story. I worked at a shop in Fremont CA. We had a good year. Ownership bought us all mititoyo indicators. My boss, one if the owners, accidentally started the spindle which was set pretty fast and shot my two month old indicator across the shop. I was new so I just quietly said damn. He bought a new one, but the lesson is, if the spindle doesn't go fast, it can't fling your tool.
How do you ensure that the indicator is truly vertical using a round spigot mount?
Awesome
I spit my coffee when that indicator cra$hed. Good video. Learned to indicate with a coaxial. Never used a vertical for picking up a hole. (Yes I am ashamed)
What is the name of the holder he is using to hold the interapid indicator?