How to Make Hydrogen Generator Electrolyzer for Balloon

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How to make a Hydrogen generator electrolyzer for a balloon, including what is an electrolyzer and how an electrolyzer works.
Note, using stacked plates as I did makes only a minimal contribution so you may as well go with one plate for each side. More on that analysis is on my webpage here:
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  • @SunnyDaysRFun
    @SunnyDaysRFun4 жыл бұрын

    So it was all fun, eh? Nice job on the video, you spoke well, kept it interesting with good explanations.

  • @stevenacker6964
    @stevenacker69642 жыл бұрын

    One of the best instructors I've ever learned from.

  • @TonyOnekaNobY
    @TonyOnekaNobY6 жыл бұрын

    Awesome stuff as always! I’m not sure if you already know or if I mentioned before but, I’m The Pheuzitionist from before. You gifted the the Whimshurst machine and Cartoon Guide to Physics book a while back for helping promote your channel. It’s good to see you still making videos. I hope you have been doing well. I’ve been more on Twitch lately and only sometimes putting random things on KZread here and there. I’m not sure if or when I might be as consistent here but, keep up the great work and stay awesome! 👊😉 Cheers!

  • @jw840
    @jw8404 жыл бұрын

    Your video is very well done and interesting. Thank you

  • @TravisLee33
    @TravisLee33 Жыл бұрын

    Very cool and awesome demonstration!

  • @mistervoldemort7540
    @mistervoldemort75406 жыл бұрын

    such a neat experiment, congrats

  • @kihembokiiza9429
    @kihembokiiza94295 жыл бұрын

    Wooow. This is a very cool science fair project

  • @scottadams5858
    @scottadams58586 жыл бұрын

    Wonderful informative video sir, thank you

  • @afm4807
    @afm48074 жыл бұрын

    Good, i love it!!!

  • @deepshabad
    @deepshabad5 жыл бұрын

    Thanks Rimstar. I made a nice version of this before watching your video. had the same issues with corrosion, " pink water on the positive side. I used stainless and sodium hydroxide and the reaction stopped working after I left it run all night. It worked again after cleaning but not great once the steel degraded. I am going to replace the S.S electrodes with palladium plated titanium and see how it works using my new 100watt 13.5 volt power supply.

  • @DarcyWhyte
    @DarcyWhyte6 жыл бұрын

    Nice video!

  • @RimstarOrg

    @RimstarOrg

    6 жыл бұрын

    Thanks! And thanks for your help on testing day!

  • @coolkidbmx6851
    @coolkidbmx68514 жыл бұрын

    Can you do this to create oxygen to breath for a mood enhancer? Like they have those oxygen bars? Or are there contaminates in the oxygen that make it toxic?

  • @RimstarOrg

    @RimstarOrg

    4 жыл бұрын

    I don't know how pure the oxygen output is. I certainly wouldn't take a chance with mine since the water became so contaminated.

  • @zylascope
    @zylascope6 жыл бұрын

    Cool, thanks! :)

  • @Lechoslowianin
    @Lechoslowianin4 жыл бұрын

    It's a shame you don't make movies anymore. Were good. I like watching them.

  • @RimstarOrg

    @RimstarOrg

    4 жыл бұрын

    I should have another one coming out soon, just a little more editing to go (though I keep saying that :-)).

  • @jackau2016
    @jackau20166 жыл бұрын

    The setup look cool, I did similar thing when I am in high school, I use pencil lead and vinegar instead, and I cut my dad old laptop charger for power. I tried using bleach before, it's go a lot quicker but later create a lot of chlorine gas. Super fun!!!

  • @Oinikis
    @Oinikis6 жыл бұрын

    Nice electrolyzer! regarding the pink water issue, likely it is bad quality steel, but, for optimal electrolization of water you only need like 2 volts, so running 13 volts probably does not help with electrode corrosion. That's why HHO generators have neutral plates, to act like a reverse battery, however that would mix the gasses. You could try 5 volts from a computer power supply, becaause it can deliver decent current. For that tho the resistance might be to high. To lower it I would suggest cutting the walls on the bottles and exchanging them with some sort of fabric, which would allow the charges to move, but not the bubbles.

  • @RimstarOrg

    @RimstarOrg

    6 жыл бұрын

    Hmm... I was planning to make adapt computer power supply for another project. Good idea. We had thought of the fabric separator but I was going to try this approach first so I could do comparisons.

  • @Oinikis

    @Oinikis

    6 жыл бұрын

    RimstarOrg comparison! Great idea! I always like when people do experiments with numbers and comparison and conclusions.

  • @LuckyBastardCandleCo
    @LuckyBastardCandleCo2 жыл бұрын

    Could this process be used for hydrogen cars? a drawback is lack of fuel stations so this seems promising

  • @GoatsAndChickens123

    @GoatsAndChickens123

    2 жыл бұрын

    There are two types of hydrogen cars that I can think of (hydrogen internal combustion engine and hydrogen fuel cell). Both of them require highly compressed hydrogen (not sure on the actual pressure) to actually be able to run the vehicle for any length of time. So short answer is no, this would not work unless you had this setup to create hydrogen and compress it as well.

  • @vassilyknigge850

    @vassilyknigge850

    Жыл бұрын

    Yes, same hydrogen

  • @DrakeOola

    @DrakeOola

    8 ай бұрын

    No. Splitting the molecular bonds of the water apart takes just as much energy as it can produce from being burned. It's sort of like taking a battery to charge another battery to then charge your car battery, you can't get more energy out of it than you started with and you're just going to lose a lot of the power to heat loss like that. You could make hydrogen like this to fuel your car up but it's just going to use and waste even more electricity so if you're using fossil fuels to provide the energy for producing hydrogen to then power your car you'll just end up needing way more fossil fuels as a result. The change would result in a net loss and just produce even more pollution at the end of the day. It is hydrogen though, so yes you could power a hydrogen engine with it but there's no point of doing that if your goal is to save energy and you'll never be able to split the hydrogen bonds with electrolysis then burn the hydrogen to produce electricity and somehow create a perpetual motion device by repeating the cycle. Burning hydrogen just causes it to bond with oxygen and releases energy as a result but breaking those bonds back into free floating hydrogen and oxygen takes just as much energy as it released to begin with sort of like stretching a rubber band and then letting it snap back or rolling a ball up a hill then letting it roll down. It'll produce the same amount of energy you put into it from stretching the band or rolling the ball uphill, same with burning hydrogen to produce energy then using the energy to split the bonds again, the laws of thermodynamics makes it impossible to produce any kind of perpetual motion device because all you're doing is adding energy into the system and then taking it back out, it can have only as much as you put in to begin with exactly like filling a cup with water then expecting more water to somehow pour out than you put in it to begin with.

  • @charlesthehandsomeandbrave2956
    @charlesthehandsomeandbrave29566 жыл бұрын

    Thanks.

  • @dfortaeGameReviews
    @dfortaeGameReviews6 жыл бұрын

    Cool! Thanks for sharing. I still think you're the real life MacGyver!

  • @techtoast6351
    @techtoast63513 жыл бұрын

    Sir i have question on which side oxygen and hydrogen formed . I mean oxygen formed on Positive side or negative side

  • @RimstarOrg

    @RimstarOrg

    3 жыл бұрын

    Oxygen formed on the positive side and hydrogen on the negative.

  • @austinzhang2278
    @austinzhang22783 жыл бұрын

    @RimstarOrg i need help, im using a 12v 1.3ah lead battery things are happening on the negative side but nothing bubbles on the positive side, the positive side is corroding, and turning brown but nothing else happens, please help im doing it for class

  • @RimstarOrg

    @RimstarOrg

    3 жыл бұрын

    Since the positive side is corroding, I wonder if it's not stainless steel but something else that corrodes easily. I suspect mine turned out to be chrome instead of stainless steel and that's why mine corroded and my fluid turned brown. Maybe your material is even worse than mine.

  • @austinzhang2278

    @austinzhang2278

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@RimstarOrg its galvanised steel but the corroding is much worse on the red side

  • @austinzhang2278

    @austinzhang2278

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@RimstarOrg and it seems to be bubbling way more, and my sodium hydroxide source is drain cleaner

  • @joetri1970
    @joetri19706 жыл бұрын

    you should have used the green bubbler for the o2 and the red for the flammable hydrogen.

  • @anirudhamane8504
    @anirudhamane85042 жыл бұрын

    The quick and dirty method was nice🤣🤣

  • @julius8795
    @julius87956 жыл бұрын

    Is there any way I can contact you? I have an important question regarding one of your projects.

  • @RimstarOrg

    @RimstarOrg

    6 жыл бұрын

    Sure. You can email me at my email address which is at the bottom of all my webpages on my website rimstar.org.

  • @julius8795

    @julius8795

    6 жыл бұрын

    It does not work

  • @RimstarOrg

    @RimstarOrg

    6 жыл бұрын

    It's an image, you have to type it in. Here it is: stevend@rimstar.org.

  • @santiagocortez9554
    @santiagocortez95543 жыл бұрын

    Rimstarorg can u test if it can be used as a battery???? Like charge it first and contain the gas in a bottle, then remove the powersource charging it and test how many volts/amps it produces. And if it can power a light bulb

  • @RimstarOrg

    @RimstarOrg

    3 жыл бұрын

    That's an interesting question. Bubbles of different polarity collect on the different plates so if you turn off the electricity, you'd think that would release the bubbles and there'd be a tiny, brief current. But if you mean, can you feed hydrogen and oxygen in and get electricity, I'm pretty sure the answer is no. For something like that look at fuel cell technology, which does sound a bit like what you're asking for.

  • @santiagocortez9554

    @santiagocortez9554

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@RimstarOrg yep hydrogen fuel cell technology, coz I've seen a man with a store bought mini version of a fuel cell here on YT who charges it on solar and he then takes of the solar panel and then powers an electric motor with the hydrogen cell alone

  • @chriswatkins2334
    @chriswatkins23343 жыл бұрын

    I use salt water as an electrolite. I also have made them with pill bottles real small reactors. I'm trying to make one that's powerful enough but small enough to launch a model rocket I've already created one rocket but that was simply a water bottle that flew away very fast when It lit with my automatic ignition system I had set up. I got about a hundred feet straight up

  • @fransjebik8554

    @fransjebik8554

    3 жыл бұрын

    I think it is now nano coated at the left (positive site)

  • @dengshomeinvasions1273

    @dengshomeinvasions1273

    3 жыл бұрын

    Chlorine gas.

  • @chancheaurn3654
    @chancheaurn3654 Жыл бұрын

    if I put baking soda can it fly

  • @tresavage1887
    @tresavage18876 жыл бұрын

    do you think this could fuel a genarter if you converted it

  • @majidmohd100

    @majidmohd100

    6 жыл бұрын

    Tre Savage yeah we could

  • @fidelcatsro6948

    @fidelcatsro6948

    6 жыл бұрын

    It will be very hard but possible... A device with a mix of regular fuel and this electrolyzer will be more practical and achievable...

  • @whatelseison8970
    @whatelseison89704 жыл бұрын

    Not bad! This is a project I've been tinkering with for quite some time as well with mixed results. The hardest part of this is always separating the gasses while also needing to have the plates as close together as possible. The best ways I have come across involve using fabric as a semi-permeable membrane which when wet, allows ions to pass though while keeping the gasses separate. See this video: kzread.info/dash/bejne/fWt4rKl8dpu5mpc.html I think your design could benefit greatly from cutting away the plastic lying directly between the plates and then gluing a piece of nylon curtain or tablecloth in its place with epoxy. Also, I think stainless steel brillo pads might be just what you need in a positive electrode. They're dirt cheap, available everywhere, and virtually always actual stainless. They also have very high surface area compared to flat plates. I've not seen anyone else try them for this and neither have I tbh but I know they do work as electrodes in general.

  • @GrandadIsAnOldMan
    @GrandadIsAnOldMan6 жыл бұрын

    Great project, did the car start afterwards :-)

  • @fidelcatsro6948

    @fidelcatsro6948

    6 жыл бұрын

    It ran the journey home with only the electrolyzer as fuel ;)

  • @RimstarOrg

    @RimstarOrg

    6 жыл бұрын

    Thanks. Yup. :-) The car was running the whole time so the battery wasn't drained. I wonder if it took less power than an air conditioner.

  • @mister_revoluti0nary
    @mister_revoluti0nary4 жыл бұрын

    Me: Yay! I successfully contained Hydrogen in a bag..! What now...? Also Me: *tries to stick my nose into the bag to smell hydrogen*

  • @visualize2006

    @visualize2006

    3 жыл бұрын

    explode it!!!!

  • @stargazer7644
    @stargazer76445 жыл бұрын

    I kept waiting for someone to touch a flame to the balloon. I was disappointed.

  • @TarunAP

    @TarunAP

    5 жыл бұрын

    Me too.

  • @e_45_rahulpandey72
    @e_45_rahulpandey724 жыл бұрын

    Sir can you explain how to make electrodes..??.. Can we use steel plates..??.. And how to use it.. Sir please help... Thnkyou

  • @RimstarOrg

    @RimstarOrg

    4 жыл бұрын

    You'd have to use stainless steel plates. Plain steel plates would corrode. There are different types of stainless steel too and I don't know which is best. Either that or mine wasn't stainless steel at all. A long time ago I made one and happened to have the right stainless steel by luck and they didn't corrode.

  • @whatelseison8970

    @whatelseison8970

    4 жыл бұрын

    Some other alternative plate materials include lead and graphite. Also, it may be possible (and considerably easier) to use stainless steel scouring pads (brillo) as electrodes. They are dirt cheap, available everywhere and have very high surface area compared to flat plates. Just don't confuse it for steel wool. The only problem is their high electrical resistance which can be addressed by connecting to them at several points.

  • @zedg7473

    @zedg7473

    4 жыл бұрын

    JUST DON'T USE CHROME PLATED ELECTRODES It will leech a toxic chemical, I think "chrome hexavalent" which will turn the water an ugly brown and is very toxic. It's also an illegal material to handle and pour down the drain or dump outside as it's very toxic and will probably kill any plants or animals it comes in contact with 😰💀

  • @RimstarOrg

    @RimstarOrg

    4 жыл бұрын

    The water did turn brown so maybe you're right, they might have been chrome plated instead of stainless steel as I thought.

  • @zedg7473

    @zedg7473

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@RimstarOrg Well the only way to be sure is to run a toxicity chemical test on the solution or check the steel through spectroscopy for any signs of chrome. But just to be safe I would dilute that brown solution in soapy water and just leave it in the sun to see if the suns radiation break anything down.

  • @AlekseyPeterburg1973
    @AlekseyPeterburg19735 жыл бұрын

    And if in the HHO Generator pour alcohol 90%?

  • @justADeni

    @justADeni

    5 жыл бұрын

    basically nothing happens

  • @jetboard
    @jetboard6 жыл бұрын

    Why 2 flame arrestors?For the hydrogen side I understand, but why for the oxygen side?

  • @RimstarOrg

    @RimstarOrg

    6 жыл бұрын

    I guess in case there's any hydrogen in that side too.

  • @shashisharma2025
    @shashisharma20256 жыл бұрын

    Plzzz sir teach me how to make dc negative ion generator 12 volt for magic of electric touch

  • @garrysekelli6776
    @garrysekelli67765 жыл бұрын

    this guy reminds me of Mr. Wizard from TV.

  • @manishhegde249
    @manishhegde2494 жыл бұрын

    Can we put ballon instead of plastic bag

  • @RimstarOrg

    @RimstarOrg

    4 жыл бұрын

    I didn't use a rubber balloon because I figured the pressure of the hydrogen production would be too small to expand the balloon. My guess is that it would have just found another path instead. So I used a bag which didn't need to be stretched in order to inflate. So I have my doubts that a normal, unstretched balloon could be inflated this way, though I could be wrong. If your balloon doesn't require any stretching then I don't see why it wouldn't work.

  • @ChristmasEve777

    @ChristmasEve777

    4 жыл бұрын

    I use a PEM electrolyzer (fuel cell in reverse) to inflate balloons. You can generate a lot of pressure with those. But you could also fill normal balloons with a similar setup to Rimstar's. He used bottle tops that were just open on the bottom though. In that case, the pressure from the balloon would just force the bubbles out of the bottom of the bottle top. If you used a sealed system, you could collect the hydrogen in a balloon. But, you would have to put a balloon on the oxygen side as well or the pressure from the hydrogen balloon would just force the water down and out of the electrolytic cell and right into the oxygen bubbler.

  • @mikelemon5109
    @mikelemon51096 жыл бұрын

    From what I know you only need 2 volts to separate the water (closer to 1.8V) other wise the current doesn't do anything and converts it into heat.... If you still want to use a 12V supply just connect 5 more of this device in series...

  • @Drottninggatan2017

    @Drottninggatan2017

    6 жыл бұрын

    I was surprised they needed a running car to drive this. When we are doing electrolysis for rust removal a battery charger is well enough. It won't go much higher than a couple of ampere, if that.

  • @fidelcatsro6948

    @fidelcatsro6948

    6 жыл бұрын

    Low voltage high current does the job

  • @WillDonaldson
    @WillDonaldson6 жыл бұрын

    Awesome experiment. Any plans to build a hydrogen weather balloon?

  • @RimstarOrg

    @RimstarOrg

    6 жыл бұрын

    Thanks. That's the Hack613 group's plan. They'd like to send one up to the edge of space. I made this as a sort of preliminary experiment. Have you had a chance to do more with your robotic snakes?

  • @WillDonaldson

    @WillDonaldson

    6 жыл бұрын

    That would be interesting. I was unaware of Hack613 before this video but it would be good to visit one of their meetings while I am in Ottawa this summer. I have tinkered with a new joint mechanism for rolling up pipes/trees but progress is slow due to other commitments at work. I'm also thinking of testing the snake with smaller sg90 servos in an waterproof sheather for an underwater eel, although I am yet to do any buoyancy tests.

  • @RimstarOrg

    @RimstarOrg

    6 жыл бұрын

    Awesome! Good idea going smaller for the eel, you can test in a bathtub.If you do go to a Hack613 meeting, let me know and I'll go too. With two meetings a week, I don't go every time.

  • @MrMinimum24
    @MrMinimum244 жыл бұрын

    Can i use baking soda

  • @RimstarOrg

    @RimstarOrg

    4 жыл бұрын

    I'm pretty sure you can't use baking soda. That will turn it into an electrolytic capacitor instead. You can use salt though.

  • @sa6kod154

    @sa6kod154

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@RimstarOrg That Will create chlorine gas.

  • @lazypotato6743

    @lazypotato6743

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@sa6kod154 chlor alkali process

  • @DmINx9

    @DmINx9

    Жыл бұрын

    Incorrect, you can and should use Baking soda its Cheap and very good. Adding salt is Bad it will produce toxic chlorine gas instead of oxygen.

  • @ChristmasEve777
    @ChristmasEve7776 жыл бұрын

    If you used a sealed H-shaped cell with only an oxygen outlet and a hydrogen outlet and not have anything open to the air, you could possibly get away with filling a party balloon if you also put a party balloon on the oxygen side to balance the sides. If too much water starts creeping up on the oxygen side, just squeeze the oxygen ballon slightly to balance the sides. But who wants to babysit it!! :) Nafion is the best way to go.

  • @kihembokiiza9429
    @kihembokiiza94295 жыл бұрын

    Can we produce sufficient hydrogen to do serious work

  • @WolfAssassin82

    @WolfAssassin82

    5 жыл бұрын

    if you have a better method to collect the hydrogen gas, such as slim plastic bottles (reasonably thick) or syringe type containers, you can collect it that way and yes, you can create enough H+ to do serious work, it really matters what's powering the electrolyzer that determines the rate H+ is created. Hope this helps!

  • @PotatoesRnice
    @PotatoesRnice3 жыл бұрын

    "Let's do this for zero dollars" proceeds to cut up a 157 dollar garbage bin.

  • @RimstarOrg

    @RimstarOrg

    3 жыл бұрын

    I'm not sure how much the garbage bin cost originally but it cost me $0 since I got it from the garbage. But yeah, the bun turned out the be chrome instead of stainless steel so for stainless steel I would have either had to get lucky and find a different one or buy some sheets.

  • @rizkyp
    @rizkyp6 жыл бұрын

    so i tied a string to the bag so it won't fly away, lol i like his optimistic thinking

  • @RimstarOrg

    @RimstarOrg

    6 жыл бұрын

    :) Yeah, I did almost lose it at one point.

  • @rubenberkhout
    @rubenberkhout6 жыл бұрын

    I don’t think the hydro and oxi are comming the water as water does not conduct electricity. It comes from the electrolizer and breaking down of the cathode and anode. I would like to see you test the gas with different electrolizers, in essence proving water is not h2o..

  • @RimstarOrg

    @RimstarOrg

    6 жыл бұрын

    You're right that pure water doesn't conduct electricity. That's why the sodium hydroxide was added, that makes the electrolyte conduct electricity.

  • @rubenberkhout

    @rubenberkhout

    6 жыл бұрын

    RimstarOrg well I think when you desalve the sodium hydroxife in water the water breaks it down taking care that the sodium ions conduct the electricity. in my opinion the gasses come from the Sodium Hydroxide not the water. Some may come from the electrodes depending on what matarial you use (the impure stainless). So lets test the gasses comming from different electrolytes to make sure the gasses come from water or electrolyte

  • @rogeristic2182
    @rogeristic21822 жыл бұрын

    Is it possible to use a balloon instead of a plastic bag?

  • @RimstarOrg

    @RimstarOrg

    2 жыл бұрын

    The problem with a balloon is that the balloon needs to be stretched in order to expand. That means you need a lot more hydrogen to create the high enough pressure to stretch the balloon. The plastic bag I used didn't need to be stretched.

  • @SwagGaming87

    @SwagGaming87

    Жыл бұрын

    @@RimstarOrg since the hydrogen comes out as a liquid i think, can you put it into a small tank that becomes high pressure when it vaporizes?

  • @RimstarOrg

    @RimstarOrg

    Жыл бұрын

    The hydrogen comes out as a gas. Otherwise what you suggest would have worked.

  • @fidelcatsro6948
    @fidelcatsro69486 жыл бұрын

    We can also create the gases we need batteryless simply by using aluminium foil and sodium hydroxide and walah! Batteries not required

  • @RimstarOrg

    @RimstarOrg

    6 жыл бұрын

    We did that afterwards with the leftover distilled water.

  • @atdit

    @atdit

    6 жыл бұрын

    fidel catsro But that doesn't give you oxygen, incase you want to make some HHO, and it also releases irritating gases.

  • @fidelcatsro6948

    @fidelcatsro6948

    6 жыл бұрын

    hehehe i never claimed i was a chemist...

  • @mishun
    @mishun6 жыл бұрын

    That thrash can probably was made from cheapest ferritic stainless steel (if it even has enough chromium to be called "stainless"). That can be easily tested with magnet: it should be strongly ferromagnetic, while proper austenitic stainless is usually barely magnetic. Also making electrodes from multiple parallel plates in configuration like that is not improving anything: there's no electric field between plates of same voltage to move ions.

  • @ilovebohol

    @ilovebohol

    6 жыл бұрын

    Alexander Mishunin true. There's plenty of youtubers making vids they have very little Understanding of.... I unsubscribed

  • @RimstarOrg

    @RimstarOrg

    6 жыл бұрын

    Interesting. I just did the following. I used a different needle each time. 1. I held a neodymium magnet against a trash can sheet to magnetize an area of it and then the area lifted a needle. 2. I tried lifting the needle using a sheet I hadn't magnetized and it didn't lift. (Done as a control.) I repeated steps 1 and 2 with a stainless steel knife and had the same results. To get the magnetized materials to lift the needle, I had to touch the needle so I couldn't tell if the trash can became magnetized more strongly than the knife. Regarding the mulitple parallel plates not having an electric field between the plates, I have to question that. The spacing here is pretty big, not exactly a good faraday cage. Also, it's hard to know for sure but check out Thomas Kim's video here kzread.info/dash/bejne/mY5-p6aej6u7k9o.htmlm14s. It could be the bubbles are all coming from the bottom edge but it's not clear either way. I'd need a top view and to compare the number of bubbles coming from the outer edges compared to between the plates.

  • @mishun

    @mishun

    6 жыл бұрын

    Edges of internal plates may still kinda work up to depth of something like distance between plates. "Bottom edge" effect may be a consequence of another problem: if electrolyte resistance is high then electrolysis is happening only at the very bottom edges of plates (where current travel distance is lowest), and it seems to be the case, since, as someone already pointed before, voltage needed for moving electrons from oxygen to hydrogen is 2. volts. I think if sheet metal was shiny enough it can be seen where current was passing through by discoloration at anode.

  • @RimstarOrg

    @RimstarOrg

    6 жыл бұрын

    Oh! @Alexander, good idea. I still have the electrodes but not where I can easily get at them. They were definitely discolored so I just have to get them and take them apart. That may give some hint as to whether or not stuff was happening to the plates in between. It may take a day or two but I'll get back on that.

  • @RimstarOrg

    @RimstarOrg

    6 жыл бұрын

    Alexander, I took apart the electrodes and did an analysis. The evidence indicates you're right. The three inner oxygen plates (out of five plates) were discolored at the edges only. The discoloration was rusty brown. The hydrogen plates were similar except black. However, the three inner hydrogen plates were also coated in rusty brown on all of their faces. My guess is that this was from rusty brown fluid which came from the oxygen plates. Hmmm... But why didn't the inner oxygen plates also have a coating for the same reason. Darn. There's still some mystery. Maybe the rusty brown particles in the fluid were positively charged? Anyway, analysis photos and write-up are now at: rimstar.org/science_electronics_projects/hydrogen-generator-electrolyzer-for-balloon-stacked-plates.htm In future I'll try with single plates, no stacking.

  • @qamilselmani7003
    @qamilselmani70033 жыл бұрын

    may i ask what role play those two bottles with water out

  • @RimstarOrg

    @RimstarOrg

    3 жыл бұрын

    The two bottles are often called bubblers or flame arrestors. The idea is that if there's an explosion in the balloon then the fire will not be able to get back into the electrolyzer because the flame can't go through the water in the bottle. I probably didn't need the other bottle on the oxygen side though.

  • @sigitd5778
    @sigitd57783 жыл бұрын

    👍

  • @hansvangrunsven2073
    @hansvangrunsven20732 жыл бұрын

    Do you have an idea of how pure the hydrogen is? As in how much oxygen accidentally mixes

  • @RimstarOrg

    @RimstarOrg

    2 жыл бұрын

    Nope, I don't have any idea how pure it was. Given that the tubes are not really airtight, I'm sure there's normal air mixed in.

  • @gulshanchaurasia2233

    @gulshanchaurasia2233

    2 жыл бұрын

    as long as the balloon flies, it doesn't matter

  • @hansvangrunsven2073

    @hansvangrunsven2073

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@gulshanchaurasia2233 yeah but i'm not planning on making balloons, and when you pressurize hydrogen it can be dangerous to have oxygen mixed in

  • @vassilyknigge850

    @vassilyknigge850

    Жыл бұрын

    @@hansvangrunsven2073 what are you making, bombs? You would see droplets of water if oxygen mixed with hydrogen.

  • @DrakeOola

    @DrakeOola

    8 ай бұрын

    @@vassilyknigge850 No you wouldn't, it only converts back into water if you bond the hydrogen and oxygen back together by burning it. It releases energy in the form of heat when it reforms the bonds so if what you were saying was true then the hydrogen gas would just spontaneously combust upon coming into contact with oxygen...

  • @PinkeySuavo
    @PinkeySuavo3 ай бұрын

    why do we need add something to water? if H2O gets divided into H2 and O, then shouldnt it work even in pure clear 100% h2o?

  • @RimstarOrg

    @RimstarOrg

    3 ай бұрын

    My understanding is that it's needed because pure water doesn't have enough charge carriers or ions. The thing you add makes the water more electrically conductive.

  • @RimstarOrg

    @RimstarOrg

    3 ай бұрын

    You could try without adding anything but it won't work as well.

  • @PinkeySuavo

    @PinkeySuavo

    3 ай бұрын

    @@RimstarOrg Thank you!

  • @ghytd766

    @ghytd766

    14 күн бұрын

    As a kid I made one of these. It didn't work with just water so I added salt to make it conductive. Other mistake I made was using AC.....LOL. you need DC to get O2 on one side and H on the other.

  • @Theo0x89
    @Theo0x896 жыл бұрын

    This might be dangerous. Why would you expect the anode (oxygen side) not to oxidize? Stainless steel contains chromium, and hexavalent chromium is a carcinogen. You probably don't want to dispose of the pink stuff in the sewage or environment. If you want to be on the safe side, use a sacrificial anode, for instance rebar steel, or use an inert material like graphite (or platinum) if you can get you hands on this material.

  • @RimstarOrg

    @RimstarOrg

    6 жыл бұрын

    I'm no chemist and so I tend to stay away from chemistry... but I worked with an electrolyzer for around 3 months a decade or so ago. The electrolyte was potassium hydroxide (IIRC) and distilled water and there was no visible oxidation, corrosion or discoloration of the electrolyte and it was in use for hours each weekday. So that's one reason I expected the anode not to oxidize. Also, Alexander Mishunin below mentions it might be because my metal was made from the cheapest ferritic stainless steel, so I guess there are different grades.

  • @martinofgliwice1486

    @martinofgliwice1486

    6 жыл бұрын

    Theo0x89 There is likely no hexavalent chromium isn there, as that would make solutions yellow. Instead the solution becomes pink what suggests formation of ferrates, which although strongly oxidising, are not very stable and quickly decompose into iron hydroxide, which is harmless. Although the solution is strongly basic, that is not a problem, as the sewage system is able to deal with ist all the time-sodium hydroxide is a drain cleaner.

  • @jeffreyfugh7602
    @jeffreyfugh76026 жыл бұрын

    Even real stainless steel would not have been of any help. Only Platinum or gold electrodes (or cladding of these two metals on an appropriate substrate) will completely resist electrochemical corrosion and yield oxygen only. Carbon electrodes may be used but will wear off and form a cloud of carbon particles.

  • @martinofgliwice1486

    @martinofgliwice1486

    6 жыл бұрын

    That is not entirely true. In sufficiently concentrated sodium hydroxide, nickel electrodes can work as an anode. Lead will work fine if the electrolyte contains sulfates and not much else. Several oxide anodes should work sort of fine too, at least as good as carbon. I am not sure about gold, I've never seen a succesful use of it. It is not as inert as platinum, I guess. And there is boron doped diamond, but that is probably too expensive. If some wear is ok, copper may be fine, as from my experience it forms a thick sludge when corroded electrochemically in alkali solution, that sticks to the electrode (and forms beautiful green mix of copper compounds when exposed to air for long enough). On the other hand copper in NaCl forms a fine suspension of Cu2O. If you want some green pigment or copper (I) oxide, you may be able to kill 2 birds with one stone.

  • @cpmanoob4848
    @cpmanoob48484 жыл бұрын

    If you put salt instead of sodium hydroxide would you get chlorine instead of oxygen

  • @RimstarOrg

    @RimstarOrg

    4 жыл бұрын

    I'm not sure but my guess is no. The sodium hydroxide doesn't get used up, only the hydrogen and oxygen atoms which make up the water. So the same may be true if you use salt. But I'm no chemist.

  • @DRS8503

    @DRS8503

    4 жыл бұрын

    Hi chemist here, You will produce both chlorine gas and oxygen on the anode side if you use sodium chloride. You can use sodium carbonate (soda ash) or sodium bicarbonate (baking soda) instead, but you will also produce carbon dioxide with the oxygen. The better option is Borax (sodium tetraborate decahydrate) the laundry booster. It will provide the needed sodium, won't produce any borate gasses, provides a buffering capacity between ph8-ph10, can prevent bacterial and fungal growth if you want to let the water sit for longer periods while not running, and is relatively non-toxic (you still don't want to drink it) and can be poured down the drain.

  • @whatelseison8970

    @whatelseison8970

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@DRS8503 I hadn't thought of using borax for this. I'm definitely going to have to try that next time. Another suitable electrolyte which springs to mind would be trisodium phosphate, often sold as "TSP" where ever painting supplies are sold. It's highly soluble, stable and cheap while also being relatively safe to handle and discard.

  • @coolkidbmx6851

    @coolkidbmx6851

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@DRS8503 would it be bad to use the oxygen as a ..how to explain..like mood booster? or to get more energy by making the oxygen this way and breathing it? Or would there be dangerous gasses on the oxygen side also?

  • @paulleftwick7782
    @paulleftwick77825 жыл бұрын

    sandpaper electrodes gives better surface area

  • @RimstarOrg

    @RimstarOrg

    5 жыл бұрын

    Thanks. I was worried about scratching off the stainless steel coating, if there is such a thing.

  • @paulleftwick7782

    @paulleftwick7782

    5 жыл бұрын

    need a bubbler if you pump with air because hydrogen explodes if you add preasure implodes when you have it like your doing another trick is steel marine cable more surface area theres some dangerous videos somtimes involving fridge compressors but you can cook with it or vaporise metals carefull vaporised steel gives of nitric acid same as welder the worst acid ?also carfull iff you add different preasures together but you must read a bit aveagood one

  • @vassilyknigge850
    @vassilyknigge850 Жыл бұрын

    Aww man I really thought you were going to hold a lighter to that balloon

  • @Mass-jab-death-2025
    @Mass-jab-death-202511 ай бұрын

    Easier and cheaper method of getting large amounts of Hydrogen gas fast. Just put aluminium foil in a sealed container with sodium hydroxide solution. A used fire extinguisher is ideal but purge it of any air before use or the resultant gas will be flammable having both oxygen and hydrogen in the one pressure vessel making it a bomb. As the pressure builds you can fill balloons like you would be able to from a helium tank. The difference is that the balloons will be flammable if exposed to fire or an ignition source so beware. Hydrogen is actually lighter that helium so your balloons will float way better too.

  • @metou3072
    @metou30725 жыл бұрын

    I wonder if he even knew that he was using the tin snips wrong...green handle snips are for the left hand.. Red is for the right hand...and yellow is straight..and small (scissor part that does the cutting) yellow handle is called bull nose.. For cutting thicker stuff that is hard to cut with regular snips..

  • @RimstarOrg

    @RimstarOrg

    5 жыл бұрын

    First off, I have only green handled ones so I make do. But the green and red colors are for the direction of the cut: green are for straight cuts and cuts to the right (clockwise) and red are for straight cuts and cuts to the left (counter-clockwise).

  • @bloodyricho1

    @bloodyricho1

    5 жыл бұрын

    It's port and starboard not left and right

  • @dengshomeinvasions1273
    @dengshomeinvasions12733 жыл бұрын

    Don't use salt it produces chilirne gas

  • @TechsScience
    @TechsScience6 жыл бұрын

    Use polithin plastic bag as balloon save earth

  • @bisonchief304
    @bisonchief3042 жыл бұрын

    And they, who ever they are, say it's to hard to do this and that's why there are no cars running on hydrogen. Someone is lying. Thanks for the video

  • @fiotechnicalvideos9593

    @fiotechnicalvideos9593

    2 жыл бұрын

    Limited amount of water.

  • @ryancole7371

    @ryancole7371

    Жыл бұрын

    Hydrogen does actually pose some tough engineering challenges. It's a tiny molecule, so it's harder to contain, and is also extremely flammable meaning lots of precautions need to be taken in transport and storage. Not unsurmountable I'm sure.

  • @kylesteamguy4758

    @kylesteamguy4758

    Жыл бұрын

    It isn't hard to do, it's just inefficient. Making one Kilogram of Hydrogen and compressing it to 700 bar (for use in an automobile) would take 100 kWh of electricity. You'll go 75 miles, but a Tesla electric car can go 75 miles on only 30 kWh of batteries.

  • @jeffspaulding9834

    @jeffspaulding9834

    Жыл бұрын

    Hydrogen doesn't get used because it's more expensive than other forms of fuel. Electrolysis is very inefficient, the hydrogen's hard to store, and we don't have enough engines that can run on it to make it worth our while. There are special cases where hydrogen makes sense. Iceland, for instance, has a huge fishing fleet, tons of hydrothermal energy, and no petroleum resources. So they're in the process of building hydrogen plants so that they can stop importing diesel. Hydrogen production is also a possible use for certain types of green energy (solar, wind) where you can't just scale up production to match demand. If the wind is blowing but the demand for electricity is low, why not produce hydrogen? We're still at the design and planning stage for that, but it's something to look forward to in the future. It takes a lot of time and money to build an industry and a market from scratch. We're probably 10% into that process with Hydrogen. Give it two or three decades and you'll probably see it around a lot more. Edit: typo

  • @DrakeOola

    @DrakeOola

    8 ай бұрын

    @@jeffspaulding9834 Hydrogen generators will never be used large scale, it takes just as much energy to split the hydrogen/oxygen bonds as you'll get from burning it, sort of like filling an empty cup then pouring the water out, you'll never get more energy than you start with but you'd also get a lot of heat loss and several other forms of inefficiencies to lose energy along the way as if you were spilling some water every time you converted it. We might make a few hydrogen storage systems for like you said, overflow from excessive production when demand drops from things like solar panels or wind turbines with nowhere else to store it but it would mainly just be battery banks for excess. No way we're ever using it for cars on any real scale because it just uses more energy than just running the car directly from the electricity you'd otherwise be using for generating hydrogen with electrolysis.

  • @luongmaihunggia
    @luongmaihunggia6 жыл бұрын

    You should use sand papper to scatch the surface of the stainless steel plates to give it more surface area.

  • @charlesthehandsomeandbrave2956

    @charlesthehandsomeandbrave2956

    6 жыл бұрын

    ELI5 why sandpapering the steel plates give it more surface area?

  • @luongmaihunggia

    @luongmaihunggia

    6 жыл бұрын

    Because why would a flat surface have more total surface area than a scatched and rough one?

  • @RimstarOrg

    @RimstarOrg

    6 жыл бұрын

    I thought I had corrosion resistant materials i.e. stainless steel. It just turns out it wasn't.

  • @luongmaihunggia

    @luongmaihunggia

    6 жыл бұрын

    RimstarOrg better luck next time.

  • @luongmaihunggia

    @luongmaihunggia

    6 жыл бұрын

    Rick Sanchez thanks for the info

  • @zagatnull4489
    @zagatnull44896 жыл бұрын

    Hydrogen combustion temperature 2000 degrees celsius Don't forget it )

  • @charlesthehandsomeandbrave2956

    @charlesthehandsomeandbrave2956

    6 жыл бұрын

    Wiki said it's 500°C hmmm

  • @zagatnull4489

    @zagatnull4489

    6 жыл бұрын

    it's a ignition temperature ) in mix with oxygen you can reach 2500 degrees extremely flammable and dangerous gas just be very careful especially with sparks when you connect wires

  • @fidelcatsro6948

    @fidelcatsro6948

    6 жыл бұрын

    Yum yum fuel for my bike engine

  • @mysticalsoulqc
    @mysticalsoulqc5 жыл бұрын

    thank you . i made one before with no flame arrestor. it was a small device i new it could explode..it did. was a safe explosion and exiting...use a arrestor or else i can kill you. great video thank you!!!

  • @zedg7473

    @zedg7473

    4 жыл бұрын

    Ok I'll use a flame arrestor plz don't kill me Stephane :p

  • @armadilllo
    @armadilllo3 жыл бұрын

    Almost zero $157

  • @ruxsolis776
    @ruxsolis7766 жыл бұрын

    A filipino used this method to make fuel for the cars.

  • @DarcyWhyte

    @DarcyWhyte

    6 жыл бұрын

    Yeah but it doesn't work.. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water-fuelled_car

  • @ruxsolis776

    @ruxsolis776

    6 жыл бұрын

    Well, maybe it's just good for entertainment. Not for machines.

  • @brendanodoms5401
    @brendanodoms54015 жыл бұрын

    an easier way to make hydrogen is with aluminium and dish soap

  • @RimstarOrg

    @RimstarOrg

    5 жыл бұрын

    The other guys with me did that while I did the electrolyzer approach. We had a lot of fun. I went with the electrolyzer approach because many years ago when I did it with proper stainless steel plates, the fluid was reusable, you only had to add more distilled water and it remained clear. I was hoping for the same reusability this time but the plates were wrong. I didn't want to do the aluminum and dish soap approach myself because the fluid isn't reusable.

  • @whatelseison8970

    @whatelseison8970

    4 жыл бұрын

    Dish soap? Clearly you've never made hydrogen.. or done dishes.

  • @user-pu3ze3jw5z
    @user-pu3ze3jw5z3 жыл бұрын

    危ないね。

  • @GM-dc8vr
    @GM-dc8vr6 жыл бұрын

    You made a hydrogen balloon and didn't put a match to it?!

  • @RimstarOrg

    @RimstarOrg

    6 жыл бұрын

    :) I knew people would want me to, but it was a public park and I didn't want to scare anyone with the loud bang.

  • @fidelcatsro6948

    @fidelcatsro6948

    6 жыл бұрын

    Hahahahah

  • @user-jd8uq4rt9j
    @user-jd8uq4rt9j7 ай бұрын

    Can you make more video fill balloon

  • @uK8cvPAq
    @uK8cvPAq6 жыл бұрын

    Ever lit hydrogen on fire?

  • @RimstarOrg

    @RimstarOrg

    6 жыл бұрын

    I've lit HHO on fire, never pure hydrogen. The electrolyzers I worked with in the past didn't separate the hydrogen from the oxygen.

  • @ChristmasEve777

    @ChristmasEve777

    6 жыл бұрын

    Well what you lit, then, was far more explosive! One can shatter their ear drums lighting a hydrogen-oxygen mixture at close range. Pure hydrogen needs to react with the 21% oxygen in surrounding air and is much less explosive.

  • @sandymoonstone855
    @sandymoonstone8556 жыл бұрын

    🍎 📷👌 , 😜 I think your electrodes are not straight

  • @h7opolo
    @h7opolo Жыл бұрын

    much better than anything any indian can try to make.

  • @totallylegityoutubeperson4170

    @totallylegityoutubeperson4170

    4 ай бұрын

    Dats waaacist!

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