Step one: be a graphic designer. In all seriousness though, thank you! Nice to have this.

The result looks amazing! I'm gonna use this thanks!!

Thank you for uploading this how to video! Now I feel like I can go through with making my board game knowing that it can be done on a budget.

Thanks for sharing. I found it very educational. I liked particularly the level of detail used to explain the logic and the execution of all those phases. Looking forward to watching the box video : )

@Ruleandmake

8 жыл бұрын

+alexdamado Thanks! We're hoping to do more of these. We have a new game we're working on and as we do the prototype for that, we'll be sure to share the process.

Amazing, thanks guys. I'd love to see more stuff like this

Thank you guys for making this demonstration, it is very educational.

Just came across this and it was AMAZINGLY helpful. Not made any components for my stuff yet, but seeing that I could use Office Works and Bunnings was really cool (I'm in Australia too - VIC now, but may return to WA). Thankyou soo much for showing your process. I know I will get value out of this :)

Awesome video. I'm hoping to get prototype started soon. This has been a great start

PVA glue can also leave small lumps. Contact spray is the best bet.

Great video everyone! I love your shirts by the way :-) I'm a big fan of the IT Crowd and love playing tennis. Thanks for the inspiration and insight!

Awesome Video Guys ! Thanks for the detailed behind the scenes :D

@Ruleandmake

7 жыл бұрын

No worries!

Thanks very much. I've been looking for info on making the prototype stuff. Perfect. I'm off to look for making some plastic figures and I'm set.

I really enjoyed this video, things make sense now. Very good looking prototype.

@Ruleandmake

7 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

Great video, very informative and great presentation. Thanks for sharing!

Great video, and a fun game. The artist on the game I'm hoping to self-publish/kickstart end of this year led me towards your games since she did some concept work on your game Skyward.

Thanks for the insight!

This is the most useful video I've seen, and I've seen a lot!

I like what I saw here. I am actually looking for a good guide to make three card types for a prototype I am developing. The gray-board that you are using... Is it a certain thickness or type of gray-board that you like over others?

Thanks for that video guys, it was really interesting.

@rngcake

8 жыл бұрын

+Lachlan Blackmore Thanks for watching!

I love this - makes me want to make games now!

Thanks for the lesson, great video, very helpful

What an interesting and informative video! Really excellent.

Awesome video - thanks for sharing.

@rngcake

10 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching! Can't believe we made this over 7 years ago. Coming full-circle and applying what I've learned in both DIY and game publishing, I now work for a company that specialises in small batch board game production called Launch Tabletop.

Thank you! Really helpful for my Graphics Design Gcse (Im from the UK)

It would be good if you could put some links on the equipment you used

Could you post a list of supplies and manufacturer ? I couldn't quite understand what that token punch is called and what diameter you were using. Great video, thanks for posting.

Truly inspiring

Pretty amazing vid, and saw the boardgame up on Gameology :D Where'd you buy the cardboard for the tokens, and also the cardboard for the box Allen? Officeworks too?

@rngcake

7 жыл бұрын

Thanks! At a pinch, we get our grey boards from a local art supply store. Other times, we get grey boards in wholesale bulk.

that was cool. Thanks for uploading. I might try a couple of these ideas myself. P.s. do you have a video of how to play the game? It looks like an interesting concept.

@Ruleandmake

6 жыл бұрын

Glad you found it interesting! You can see more about Burger Up, including the rulebook, reviews and overview videos, at the BGG page here boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/186701/burger

Job well done!

This video was extremely helpful. Gonna try to find where to make the boardgame box. If I can't find it, please let me know what's up. Thanks

Thanks guys, this was really helpful

@rngcake

8 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

is it just me or does he remind me of Ned from spider man

Thanks for a great video. Will you be doing a video on how to create the box? Also, how do you handle the interior cuts for the cards without the lines?

@Ruleandmake

8 жыл бұрын

+Eric Alvarado I'll see with the team if they're keen to do more how-to videos. With the way we did ours in the video, getting a bit of the trim lines will be unavoidable. If we want to do them more professionally, I make sure each card has some outer bleed and have the trim lines stay outside of the artwork so that when the cards are cut, I'm chopping away the bleed. I might do another video on how I do those.

@alvae64

8 жыл бұрын

Thanks! Once again great video. Also, missed your campaign, but plan on pre-ordering!

@Ruleandmake

8 жыл бұрын

+Eric Alvarado Awesome! You can pre-order the game here: www.ruleandmake.com/products/burger-up

Best video I have seen on this topic

@rngcake

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Scott! I’m planning to do a new series on designing and publishing board games in various scales from 10-20 copies to a full retail production run of 10,000+ units.

@scottvandyk5827

3 жыл бұрын

@@rngcakeI really like the down to earth, informative style of this video. A really good starting point for anyone interested in boardgame making. Looking forward to the next one

Awesome Video!

Hi Thanks for the video. I had a similar process as yours but i always have problem with the paper used for cards and box... at the end is not the same finishing of "pro" cards. also if it´s raining and one small water drop fails on to the box the paper becomes a mess.. they seems to have like a varnish i had try to find some but it´s impossible so i plastify it with aironfix(the best solution had found). Any suggestion?

How Did You Guys Make The Cards and the Boxes?? Its a great tutorial by the way I have a school assignment and this will help me out a lot!

I would like to know the material paper that you printed on, it looks so nice! You just put it together for front and back? Don’t need to stick it in other card board?

@rngcake

6 жыл бұрын

The material is 200 gsm bond paper. It's just a standard non-glossy stock available at OfficeWorks. We bond 2 pieces together back-to-back. There's no need for a third sheet in the middle. You could get core stock paper, which is what many board game manufacturers use (we use these for all our retail units). However, you don't need to bond 3 sheets for prototypes if you're going with standard 200gsm paper.

It was the grey board and thank you!

Your Bunnings didn't have a sausage sizzle!

@rngcake

8 жыл бұрын

+Stormhawk We actually recorded the sausage sizzle stand and talked about the whole weekend sausage sizzle thing but I edited that part out. I should've left it in :(

@kegstafpv5134

6 жыл бұрын

Most Bunnings only have one on weekends

@mr.whiffy6253

5 жыл бұрын

Stormhawk sooooooo true

Great video

Thank you for the detailed video of the process. It is very helpful and precise. (: My question is why didn't you print double sided on heavier paper from the beginning instead of using contact adhesive ? I am facing troubles with alienating front and back in printing specially double sided, is there any resource to check about this and how the alienation differ in portrait or landscape. I can't fully imagine the mirroring needed to print double sided. This is my first time to deal with graphic design and printing, Thank you (:

@probablybobross5790

6 жыл бұрын

ahmed labib the reason why they don't print double-sided is because they don't want the ink to bleed through. At least that is what is probably why.

Anyone wanting to know how the cards were made maybe not these ones in particular but there’s a great resource on KZread channel is called Iwasrandomlygenerated

What about the box itself? You said you might go and do a video on how to do that. If not, could you just tell me via this message please? How did you get the cover on that grey board? Thanks so much!

I just got a question about the thickness of the normal cards (the sound quality makes it hard for me to understand it). You use 200 gsm for the front and 200 gsm for back and glue them together, without an middle layer?

@rngcake

6 жыл бұрын

Yes, correct. 200 gsm for the front piece and 200 gsm for the back piece. There is no middle layer.

hi awesome video, is there anyway you could post the one for the box, I was super interested. I wish I saw your tips before I made my last two prototypes

@rngcake

8 жыл бұрын

We plan to do more of these in the future. One of which is to go through the process of making a box :)

So don't cut corners when cutting corners. Got it! (12:00)

@rngcake

2 ай бұрын

Beautifully said!

How do you make custom game-pieces for a prototype though? I am currently trying to flesh out my own idea for a board game and I am using chess pieces for my prototype, I want to 3d print my pieces but I feel that might be overkill. Any recommendations?

@rngcake

5 жыл бұрын

Making your own custom game pieces is really too much work. You want to consider getting off-the-shelf pieces. The Game Crafter (thegamecrafter.com/) is a good start. Otherwise, many game designers go to their local art/craft store and buy wooden and plastic pieces (something like Spotlight if you're in Australia). We typically do not produce production-ready game pieces until we are ready for public playtesting or are about to publish the game and are pitching it to players and/or distributors.

What are those punchers called exactly? I'm desperately trying to find'em...

@rngcake

8 жыл бұрын

They are called wad punchers. They are often used in leather working but works great for punching round shaped tokens.

@philippschmitz1787

8 жыл бұрын

wow, that was fast... thank you very much.

What programs do you use for photoshoped coins and such

Thanks , so do you guys take these prototypes to a company for consideration and if so, have you had any success so far?

What is it that you use for the middle of your coins?

After the kickstarter campaign, how did you mass produce this?

What is the guillotine called or is it a 2 part set up

Where did you get the greyboard from?

Did y’all ever make the video showing how you make the box? I couldn’t find it.

@Ruleandmake

2 жыл бұрын

Unfortunately we never got around to doing that video.

A3 paper, what material and thickness are you sticking the A3 paper against with?

@probablybobross5790

6 жыл бұрын

weinfin thickness is gsm 200 glued with another 200 gsm paper

what type of puncher do you guys use for the rounded corners on the cards?

@rngcake

6 жыл бұрын

We found a local business supplies store that sold a corner cutter that looks exactly like this model: www.boundtoimpress.com.au/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=1692 You should be able to find plenty of these around online.

/excellent/ resource guys, thanks so much.

@Ruleandmake

7 жыл бұрын

No worries!

Very cool

how many inches is your arch punch?

Thanks for the tips. What is the name of the token punch, where can I get one?

@rngcake

7 жыл бұрын

They are called wad punchers. They are often used in leather working but works great for punching round shaped tokens.

What's the name of the tool you're using to cut the edges of the cards and the other tool to punch out the round tokens?

@Ruleandmake

7 жыл бұрын

We used a standard paper guillotine to cut the card edges and a wad puncher (typically used for leatherworking) to punch out the round tokens.

@Ruleandmake

7 жыл бұрын

Apologies, in the video, Allen actually used an aluminium ruler with a rotary cutter (typically used for cutting fabric) to cut the card edges.

What software did you use to do all of the cards and art?

@Ruleandmake

8 жыл бұрын

+Bitchin' Board Games: We use a combination of Photoshop, illustrator and InDesign to do all of the designs. Photoshop for the art, Illustrator for icons and graphical elements, and InDesign for layout and imposition.

@bitchinboardgames4520

8 жыл бұрын

+Rule & Make ok, thank you for a speedy reply.

Hey guys, thanks for the video. Q: Where do you get your grey-board from?

@rngcake

5 жыл бұрын

We got them from 2 sources. We initially got them from a local art store. As we started needing more, we found a contact that was willing to sell it to us at wholesale prices in bulk.

whats is the name of the paper use to print? common photograft paper?

@rngcake

7 жыл бұрын

Photograph paper generally has a very glossy finish which is not very pleasant to touch. We use uncoated 200gsm paper stock.

i have a question about making in game money. I am looking for an affordable way to add in game money to my game that wont drive the cost of the game up to much. i was looking at tokens but haven't found a cheap solution . Do you have any recomendations of companys that are affordable or ways to add money to your game that wont drive the cost up to high?

@rngcake

8 жыл бұрын

Hey Rick, it really depends on quantity. If you're looking at a DIY way of adding coins to your game, unfortunately there isn't an economical way of doing this. Your best bet is to turn your currency into cards. Some gams use a deck of "money" cards and they can be quite effective. Alternatively if you're looking at making between 100~200 copies of your game, The Game Crafter is a good place to go. They do "Circle Shards" which are similar to many punch-out coin tokens you see in many games: www.thegamecrafter.com/publish/product/CircleShard

@rickprocure6321

8 жыл бұрын

k thanks i was looking at game crafter but it is still pricy at the amount of money i want, maybe ill just lower my amount in game. thanks for your responce

What was the contact adhesive? Kwik Grip? Selleys?

@Ruleandmake

2 жыл бұрын

We've used both. Kwik Grip is a little more forgiving when you mess up the initial contact but consequently is also not as grippy. Selleys has a very strong bond but once they two surfaces touch, there is no going back.

This is cool

How thick was the board you glued the coins to?

@Ruleandmake

7 жыл бұрын

I believe we used 1.2mm greyboard. When you bond the paper (around 200 to 300gsm) the entire thickness (paper + cardboard + paper) is closer to 2mm.

awesome

people play board games in Australia too? didnt know that before.

I've seen a few DIY boardgame makers who all just pull out a print of the boardgraphics from their local printing shop. Well this is not just an other item on the list. Such a large print easily cost 20$ making the protoype. At least that's the price I tend to land on after asking around. It makes it almost cheaper to upload to a prototypemaker (i.e. TheGameCrafter), which defeats the purpose of making it yourself. Is this just something I have to except or is there a cheaper way?

@rngcake

7 жыл бұрын

Going with a local printer is typically more expensive than dedicated production solutions such as Game Crafter, unless you know people who manage the print shop. Local "Just in Time" digital printers are simply not set up with board games in mind.

@DrDress

7 жыл бұрын

Thanks fot the quick reply

it was great...the pictures and the cards...are you selling it to the public..?

where do i go guys to get help making a simple board game? i have the idea and reasons can someone teach me and or help me build a board game ?

How do you go about making the game board and box?

@rngcake

6 жыл бұрын

The process is quite similar. We contact spray a printed sheet on to a greyboard and cut it down to size. We plan to do another one of these videos in the future, this time focusing on folded boards and game box.

17:30 - please name of this little machine? Where can I buy it? thanks

@lukaslitvaj1495

8 жыл бұрын

I got it :) www.ebay.com/bhp/round-corner-cutter

@rngcake

8 жыл бұрын

Hi Lukas, if you Google, "Corner Cutter" you should be able to find them. These are quite common so you shouldn't have any difficulty getting a hold of one.

@rngcake

8 жыл бұрын

Too quick! You got to the result while I was writing that comment :p

How do i do a game prototype

How many game do you guys have in print

@rngcake

3 жыл бұрын

We’ve published 10 or so different titles as low as 2,000 units through to 15,000 units.

@scottvandyk5827

3 жыл бұрын

@@rngcake dude that's wicked. I am hoping to get one out there. What would you suggest is your best title for a regular games night get together of between 4-6 players. We currently rotate between Catan, carcassonne, munchkin and ticket to ride(winner picks next games night).

¿que tipo de papel usan para imprimir?, ¿lo hacen con impresora láser?, soy de Chile y estoy interesado en crear mi propio juego ... gracias ... :D

@Ruleandmake

7 жыл бұрын

We use uncoated 200gsm paper stock. It is printed with a colour laser printer.

@ricardosmode2008

7 жыл бұрын

donde puedo comprarlo o conseguirlo?

@Ruleandmake

7 жыл бұрын

We get our prototypes printed at our local print shop (Officeworks -- www.officeworks.com.au/shop/officeworks/Print-And-Copy/Document-Prints). Any plain 200gsm, or thicker, stock printed with a colour laser printer will work just fine. We use Officeworks because they can do A3 prints.

Nice demo. spray mount can be nasty to breath in(!)

@zombiewarrior07

4 жыл бұрын

Agreed. A good idea to wear dust masks when spraying, you dont want to inhale that shit. Great video, thank you!

What software did you use??

@nicobrancato8230

4 жыл бұрын

Software to get the game design on to the paper

@rngcake

4 жыл бұрын

@@nicobrancato8230 I use Adobe InDesign, a professional graphic design app that's also useful for laying out game manuals, game boxes, etc.

@nicobrancato8230

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you!!!

How much did it cost? How many cards did you made?

@Ruleandmake

8 жыл бұрын

+Rafa Gonzalez Around $50 AUD (including the contact adhesive). We made 100 cards, 4 coasters and a box with the printed material.

@kebuenowilly

8 жыл бұрын

+Rule & Make Did you check some print on demand sites before? I'm thinking of using www.thegamecrafter.com/ to produce some of my prototypes. I think it would be cheaper

@Ruleandmake

8 жыл бұрын

+Rafa Gonzalez Yes, we know The Game Crafter well. We use them on occasion and know of several fellow indie board game publishers that use them too. They are certainly cheaper as they have a more established and optimised production process. The only disadvantage is the turnaround as it could take weeks to receive the prototype. Making your own prototype can be done on a whim and takes about 2 hours. If you wanted to reduce costs doing low-yield prints yourself, you can do so by printing your own sheets using your home printer. If you have an A3 colour laser, that would be even better.

So i have a project in science making a board game then i tell my hole plan to my mom she said ‘so are you telling me your a genius’ i said ‘no mom im just making sure that what im doing is right im not saying im a genius’ and then she forced me to watch videos on how to make some :(

I live in Austrlia And I saw Bunnings Warehouse

@rngcake

8 жыл бұрын

Yep! We frequent OfficeWorks and Bunnings. There's also a Masters up the road from Bunnings near where I live.

"porportions" ouch!

Nice looking card game. The title of the video is completely misleading, I kept waiting to see when the board was going to be printed, assembled, etc. Didn't take long to realize this "was not the video I was looking for". I watched the video to the end because I figured I had gotten more than halfway through so why not just finish it. Disappointed, but still a nice looking card game though. I guess I will keep looking for board game creation tutorials...

How do you recommend making an actual board for a board game

@rngcake

8 жыл бұрын

We might look at doing another video that explains how to make a folded board

Are you living off of making board games? It looks quite profesionel

YOU LIVE IN BRISBANE!!?

Там один углорез 7 кусков стоит.

Prototype 2009 Explore in KZread Gaming

who did the art work

@Ruleandmake

7 жыл бұрын

Artist Stephen Gibson, with graphic design by Allen Chang.

For tokens? oh.

like!

So who went first?

The question is: do you want your prototype to look so good and professional? YOU DON'T. For 2 reasons: 1) your prototype should get changes after every test, you'll be scared of changing something if you have to spend money and time to change it. 2) Publishers will assume you think your game prototype is final and that you worked more on the aesthetics than the mechanics. If there are problems with your game (and there are all the time, you just can't see them) they will assume you're not willing to change a lot at this point. Publishers at game design fairs usually recommend to create prototypes that look clear and playable. Not more than that. Still, the video can be useful for those not interested in publishing a game, or wanting to promote the game themself in public fair and then self-publish it (i don't recommend doing it, but that's ok).

@Ruleandmake

7 жыл бұрын

Yes, as publishers we prefer designers not to put so much effort in their game submissions. Just to give you some background, the prototypes we make are for taking to conventions, used for promo shots, and sending it to playtesters and the media for previews. Additionally, there is also a contingent of printer & players that really enjoy the prototyping process like us.

@dgtal24

7 жыл бұрын

Yes, as i said the video can be useful, i was just giving an advice to the new designers who could say "that looks great, i need to have that level of aesthetics before i let anyone see it."

@sermanley7395

5 жыл бұрын

I am interested in creating my first one, any way I can get some beginner info like the names of types of paper and tools and where to start etc?

I made a cheese sandwich...

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