Thanks! Most practical, economical advice ever. Beautiful designs. Tips not found anywhere else.

@Nickscreativestuff

Жыл бұрын

thanks Spotted Dog Designs, really appreciate that. it’s inspiring to think one day I may be able to earn a small living working from home doing this sort of thing … much gratitude for supporting my channel … cheers … Nick

I love that you go the extra mile to solder everything. That's a lot of work. Thank you for showing us every step. Great video, Nick!

@Nickscreativestuff

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for Sandi, endless variations on a theme with this one … would make a nice wider wrist chain … cheers … Nick

@therealmagicpant

Жыл бұрын

Idk how I'd be able to do this without soldering since you have to reshape the rings. I'm so new to this. I don't know what to order for learning to solder. I see some people using paste or something, and some people using the little strips. I'm on a very tight budget so I don't wanna end up using the wrong thing for soldering. I have a proper torch, I have borax for flux, idk what pickling or quinching is, and I don't know what solder to order if my main focus is jump rings.

@Nickscreativestuff

Жыл бұрын

I would highly recommend learning how to silver solder, once practised it opens up huge possibilities making jewellery and chains. Silver solder strip comes in a variety of temperature melting ranges this is to allow the fabrication of complex pieces. However a lot can be done with one grade say “ medium” and is a great place to start. it can be hammered out thin and cut into tiny pieces the only other thing you then need is a flux … borax is great and as long as you have a tight fitting clean joint the process is very satisfying. For convenience when chain making I now use silver solder paste a lot, it’s very quick and easy to work with especially for small items. Work is normally cleaned after heating in a hot acid bath called pickle some people use hot vinegar mixed with salt for this job … good luck with it … N

@Igor_servant_of_Philemon

Жыл бұрын

​@@Nickscreativestuffis it possible to solder silver plated copper wire like this with normal silver solder? I worry about ruining the plating, but real Sterling silber is just so expensive for a beginner.

I always love your handcrafted chain tutorials! Thank you for sharing ❣️

@Nickscreativestuff

Жыл бұрын

Nice to hear that Amber … always good to share … N

I love these links! Such time and detail! ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️Yummy!

@Nickscreativestuff

Жыл бұрын

thanks Ma Wi, a surprisingly quick chain to make this one … N

Thanks Nick. Looking forward to working my way through the different style chains. Cheers.

@Nickscreativestuff

Жыл бұрын

cheers Allan, the only problem being the amount of wire you can work your way through … i’m always in need of making more … N

I'm ever so glad and grateful to have found your channel, Nick. After returning to the love of jewelry making - in earnest - after many years absent from it, I had started to set up a studio, and begun to acquire "stuff" I thought I would need to buy; however, you've made me realize (just in the nick of time) that so much of that can be wrought on my own. That enables me to buy more of the precious metals than I thought I could afford. Not to mention the satisfaction that I have gained from making and customizing so many of my own tools, and developing a deeper understanding of the "WHY" & "HOW" they work as they do! It has me thinking about some elusive hack to contrive, to keep from having to purchase an expensive, rolling mill now! HA! Ha! Ha! I really can't thank you enough for the simple, common sense approach to making that you share so willingly. Peace!

@Nickscreativestuff

Жыл бұрын

thanks for your lovely comment Phil, having always been a maker and thoroughly enjoyed creative spaces. I’ve always believed money should not get in the way of creativity. i’ve always dreamt of a big expensive rolling mill but settled for buying a budget one instead and find it very rewarding. Making tools is more satisfying than what they’re designed for sometimes … good luck with your adventures … have fun … Nick

Another great looking chain, after seeing the process I think it’s so versatile, and open for variations, thanks for the lesson Nick !!

@Nickscreativestuff

Жыл бұрын

thanks for that Hector, so so true … I had to keep it simple for the sake of filming but could get carried away with variations galore … N

Marvelous, Thank you very much for your teaching.

@Nickscreativestuff

6 ай бұрын

Thanks Niyas, glad you enjoyed it … N

You are an artist! Such fantastic work. Thank you for sharing your knowledge with us. In my book you are a legend!

@Nickscreativestuff

Жыл бұрын

hi Anna thanks for your encouraging comment. I thoroughly enjoy making this sort of thing and it’s great being able to share … cheers … Nick

Thanks for sharing this awesome video.

@Nickscreativestuff

7 ай бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it Polo … N

Amazing work

@Nickscreativestuff

Ай бұрын

thanks for that Tracie … N

You wowed me again! Thx so much!

@Nickscreativestuff

Жыл бұрын

thanks for that Jan … N

Wow....what a gorgeous piece! That's a lot of work! It's nice to see dedicated craftsmanship and artistry.

@Nickscreativestuff

Жыл бұрын

thanks for that Valerie, it’s delightful to have the time and space to explore and play with a creative process … Nick

Another great idea. Love your ideas 💙👍👏👏👏👏

@Nickscreativestuff

Жыл бұрын

thanks for that Kera, endless variations on a theme with this one … N

A well documented, with some great tips Nick. I'm intrigued by the pliers you used at minute 2.22... great idea to use flat sticks to support the inside of the rings while sawing. Thank you for sharing your ideas and process!

@Nickscreativestuff

4 ай бұрын

Thanks for that Lynne, the pliers are called External Circlip Pliers. I modified this pair with an adjustable stop. I made a video showing them here’s a link if you’re interested kzread.info/dash/bejne/iX9kmbupdcezoKQ.html. I struggled to cut jump rings neatly until I discovered this technique using sticks for support, I now have a huge variety to choose from for cutting any size links … N

Love the tweezer slot on your bench pin

@Nickscreativestuff

Жыл бұрын

Hi Scott, an old school trick I saw somewhere a long time ago … N

Thanks so much, I learned something new!

@Nickscreativestuff

Жыл бұрын

thanks Jackleen, glad it was helpful … N

I just love yuor videos, so much to learn so many tips❤ Thank you!

@Nickscreativestuff

8 ай бұрын

Thanks Satyra, Nice to hear you find them useful … cheers … Nick

Really impressive! Excellent video, thank you 😀

@Nickscreativestuff

Жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it Rosered, cheers Nick

i learned two new things from your video! Thanks for sharing! Jean

@Nickscreativestuff

Жыл бұрын

Nice to hear that Jean … cheers … Nick

the popsicle sticks for sawing out the rings! i'm a hobbyist, so not sure if that's an industry thing or not, but i'm here for it.

@Nickscreativestuff

6 ай бұрын

Hi R. Jonas, there are many ways to cut jump rings and it’s all about finding something that works for you. I recently ran a chain maker workshop and all seven students well grateful for me showing them the stick technique … a simple and quick way for neatly cutting an abundance of jump rings … cheers … Nick

So many wise solutions ,thanks , 😎🤗

@Nickscreativestuff

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for that Canela … N

That is SO beautiful, Nick! You have created an heirloom there. I would love to have such a necklace 😍

@Nickscreativestuff

Жыл бұрын

thanks for that MerryMac, i’ve never thought of my work as that … but being silver I suppose it will have a life long after I’ve gone. this chain didn’t weigh much i’m sure a local jeweller to you could make one easily for you … cheers … Nick

You’re brilliant!

@Nickscreativestuff

Жыл бұрын

thanks for that Joseph … N

You have a creative mind

@Nickscreativestuff

Жыл бұрын

thanks Nazli, it’s easy to doodle with silver instead of a pen … cheers … Nick

Beautiful and complete Well done

@Nickscreativestuff

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for that Ivette … N

Wow I like the method for cutting the jump rings. I'm new to this so I hadn't seen too many ways other than a dowel, or putting the same in the vice, putting the blade thought the coil and moving the coil up and down the blade. I like the sticks though. More universal than having the exact size dowel.

@Nickscreativestuff

Жыл бұрын

hi magic paint, I struggle to cut jump rings until I figured out to use wooden dowel. now I have a huge collection of different size sticks, pegs and all manner of wooden things to use. I have an early video that goes into more detail although it has a terrible VoiceOver attempt. here’s the link if you’re interested kzread.info/dash/bejne/fq2mrc6nZ9Xgp5M.html … cheers … Nick

Loved this tutorial! I've been looking for something like this for quite a while!

@Nickscreativestuff

3 ай бұрын

Thanks for that Elizabeth, I hope you find my simple vids useful … N

As usual Nick, great job!!! Really nice chain. Gonna gave to try it👍 Yes, I made the rings! Thank you😁

@Nickscreativestuff

Жыл бұрын

i’m sure it was a special moment and he loved them. surprisingly quick chain to make once you get going … cheers … N

Thats awsome love the slot in bench peg to hold the tweezers idea gona have to pinch that idea

@Nickscreativestuff

Жыл бұрын

thanks Richard, that slot comes in useful for all sorts … so many tips and tricks across KZread to be had … N

Terrific video Nick 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼 Thanks! Keep it going!

@Nickscreativestuff

5 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching Anisha … N

I always enjoy when whatch your videos 👌👍 so great job 💯

@Nickscreativestuff

Жыл бұрын

thanks for that Kajenoghrei, A simple but sweet chain, surprised how light weight it turned out… cheers … Nick

Stunning piece 💯🙂

@Nickscreativestuff

Жыл бұрын

Thank you … Cheers … N

I love your work! 👋from San Juan Puerto Rico!

@Nickscreativestuff

Жыл бұрын

thanks for that Nitza in Puerto Rico, my videos seem to travel a lot further than I ever have … N

Wow! Superb work! 💖

@Nickscreativestuff

6 ай бұрын

Thanks for that Alison, that’s a nice colourful channel you have … N

Super thanks video

@Nickscreativestuff

Ай бұрын

Thanks K SURENDRA … N

Beautiful 😍

@Nickscreativestuff

Жыл бұрын

thanks for that Malika … N

You are very creative ❤❤

@Nickscreativestuff

Жыл бұрын

thanks for that Autumn … N 👍😎👍

Beautiful When we were kids in the 80s, we made similar chains from copper wire from an electrical transformator. They just didn’t solder the rings, but twisted them using a small handmade machine

@Nickscreativestuff

Жыл бұрын

thanks for that Andrill, funny that … I thought about making a basic twisting tool … would be good if I was gonna make a lot of these chains … cheers … Nick

@andriikovalenko860

Жыл бұрын

@@Nickscreativestuff Yes. You can search in inet " станок для плетения цепочек " on cyrillic letters

@Nickscreativestuff

Жыл бұрын

those tools look great … just the sort of thing I had in mind … N

Krasna práca.

@Nickscreativestuff

Жыл бұрын

thanks for that Olivia, simple but sweet … cheers … Nick

Thanks!

@Nickscreativestuff

Жыл бұрын

thank you Texas Gigi really appreciated, i’m hoping to be able to earn a small wage working from home one day and this sort of support is really encouraging. i’m playing with smelly cuttlefish casting for my next vid … not for everyone, especially if you work in your home … thanks for your help … all the best … Nick

Always a pleasurable learning experience. Handsome chain.Thanks mate! =M

@Nickscreativestuff

Жыл бұрын

thanks for that Monty, A quick simple chain to make with endless variations to play with … cheers … Nick

@montystewart8467

Жыл бұрын

@@Nickscreativestuff P.S. Love the music!

@Nickscreativestuff

Жыл бұрын

good to hear that Monty, it’s getting harder to find something that sounds new, i’m starting to repeat stuff from older videos, hope it doesn’t get too noticed … cheers … Nick

Great!

@Nickscreativestuff

Жыл бұрын

thanks for that … N

I so enjoy AND love watching you work!!. It is so clear that you love what you do and feel the need to go the extra mile by being so thorough with every step of each creation. You are amazingly talented and, as I have said before, would love for you to make your art a full time fulfillment. I pray that your desire comes true, let us help you!!!. 🎃🥰

@Nickscreativestuff

Жыл бұрын

thanks for your support and encouragement Consuelo, I do thoroughly enjoy what i’m doing and now having a digital wage trickling in is very inspiring. inevitable. for sure one day I’ll be trying to sell stuff just need to find the time in space in life … all the best to you … N

Thnx...

@Nickscreativestuff

Жыл бұрын

👍😎👍… N

Thanks

@Nickscreativestuff

Жыл бұрын

thanks for your contribution ivjewellery I really appreciate that. The idea of paying my way and working from home is now more realistic thanks to KZread and people like you … thanks for your generosity … all the best … Nick

@ivjewellery

Жыл бұрын

@@Nickscreativestuff Hi will be good to make video for problems with soldering silver because I had problems with it.I do everything what I know from KZread but solder still stay on ball 😕thanks

@Nickscreativestuff

Жыл бұрын

hi Iv, thanks for the suggestion, A few people have mentioned about doing a soldering video. it is on the to do list but Im saving up for a new camera that can cope with the close-ups that are needed for a nice soldering video … cheers … Nick

Merci bien

@Nickscreativestuff

Жыл бұрын

thanks Matinala … N

Hi Nick. Another nice chain. Always nice to see different variations . What was the total length of the chain please? Cheers Jim

👍👍

@Nickscreativestuff

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for that Ricardo … N

Great video. I love the variety of tools you use to make the chain. Please can you tell me was it hard, medium or easy solder you used?

@Nickscreativestuff

Жыл бұрын

hi KS, I do have a great collection of tools to play with … i used hard for the large links and easy for the small links … cheers … Nick

🎯👌💯

@Nickscreativestuff

9 ай бұрын

👍😎👍 … N

Nick, sorry if I’m asking more than what you already showed us, but do you think you could walk us in the soldering process, it looks so essential but also mind boggling to the uninitiated. Like the solder and the liquids that you use. I hope I’m not putting you in a bind with this since we know that you already have a full time job at the foundry. Thanks again 👍

@Nickscreativestuff

Жыл бұрын

i’ve been meaning to do a video about how satisfying soldering can be. I use a lot of paste solder that’s very quick and easy to use. however there’s a bit more to it with traditional silver solder. would make an interesting video with lots of close-ups … thanks for the suggestion … Nick

Incredible how a chain that’s real silver can be made so affordably.

@Nickscreativestuff

Жыл бұрын

yes this one turned out very lightweight and delicate for a change … N

@kimauger4293

Жыл бұрын

I would say that the extensive amount of time in making this has great value. There is quite a bit of work that goes into the many parts. That does not make this affordable, unless you have lots of free time to make for yourself.

THE NAME OF THE PLYERS AN WHERE TO GET THEM PLEASE YOUR WORK IS OUTA THIS WORLD FANTASTIC... I ALWAYS WONDERED HOW WIRE HEADS COULD GET ALL THEIR LIKES THE SAME SIZE; THANKS FOR THE INFO.... [[NICE JOB]] MAYBE SOME DAY I WILL BE ABLE TO DO THIS... [[IM JUST STARTING OUT IN WIRE WRAP]] TY TY TY

@Nickscreativestuff

Жыл бұрын

thanks for that Frances, The tools are called circlip pliers used in the car mechanics industry. I got mine from Halfords A very useful tool for all sorts of projects. good luck with your adventures into wire work … N

Thank for this video Nick, you are so talented.Can I ask what the tools are called that you are using to hold each hook and spin while twisting your links (@ 4:14)

@Nickscreativestuff

3 ай бұрын

Thanks Monica, I use mostly what’s called locking pliers or mole grips to hold bent nails for twisting wire. I also use a Jacob’s Chuck on a Morse Taper for holding small tools like in the video … cheers … Nick

I'd want one bigger Guage, like 12. Clothes hanger size.

@Nickscreativestuff

Жыл бұрын

hi Jay, me too … this was to see how fine a chain I could make … more of a challenge and saves money on production costs … cheers … Nick

Wow! Another awesome POV. Not taking it to your grave as many Metal Smith's had. What type of solder paste did you use? I noticed you elongate the soldered links with the soldered point always part of the loop. Your using circling pliers and a digital vernier. Recreating the tear drop hole to a circle using the tapered pin to a circular opening...sheer brilliance..but as I am a Toolmaker, I too would have done that. It may sound as I'm a know it all. Believe I am not. I have on my Mother's side a Great Great Grandfather who was a Monument Stone Engraver. I was given a rock of Mintaro Slate. 2 letters an R & an O were drawn upon the flat face. The master Stone Engraver said..the O must rotate to the left by 4 degree's. No more. I did both letters in 4 hours. He looked at them. I apologised that my O rotated 5 degree's. I had never engraved anything before but it came naturally to me. My serifs at the end of the letter...obviously not on the O...went into a fading line. He looked at me and said...I can't teach you anything. The finish I gave to the line's of the R were typical of the early 1800's funeral Grave Stones. Typical of my Great Great Grandfather. On my Father's side of the family were Metal Smith's, Machine Buildung engineers, Toolmakers, Fitters..and a Railway Administrator. I've got the best of both family tree's. Sadly no children to pass my skills onto. But I've help train many apprentices over my 49 years as a Toolmaker and Specialist Welder. Now I want to make some Jewelry. Thank you Nick..I really admire your gift of silent teachings.

@Nickscreativestuff

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for your heartfelt comment Michelle, I mostly use assay quality silver solder paste comes in 3 different temperature melting points for sequencing assembly processes. I tend to position solder joints where they can be hidden if at all possible. The stone work sounds fabulous … I can imagine it’s very unforgiving. One of the reasons I love working with metal, if you make a mistake you can reach for the welder and get it sorted. It’s great how creativity can get passed on through family and education. Good luck with your endeavours … all the best to you Nick

I really enjoyed watching this video 😌 thank you so much!! Can you explain about total amount. Is it a price for a chain?

@Nickscreativestuff

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for that Yelizaveta, I included the material cost in this video … so it would have cost about £15 to buy in the silver to make the chain with plus the price of a lobster clasp … hope this makes sense … N

@erizabesu87

Жыл бұрын

​​​​@@Nickscreativestuff oh yeah. I got it now👍🏼 I have just started my jewelry making course. Your content helps me a lot 👍🏿👍🏿👍🏿👍🏿👍🏿👍🏿 Please, don't stop making so useful videos!

@Nickscreativestuff

Жыл бұрын

Nice to hear that, I love jewellery schools, i’m thinking about enrolling back on my local one soon … cheers … Nick

I don’t have a vice. Is there a work around this part? I have made jump rings and used pliers but the ends are never as nice as yours came out. Any suggestions?

@Nickscreativestuff

Жыл бұрын

hi Christine, locking grip pliers sometimes called mole grips and a clamp might work for this process. I know it’s only possible to work to your limitations so tools and work space can be a major factor for some people. my favourite vice I use the most came from a discount store and it will clamp to most tabletops. About £10-£15 on Amazon … good luck with it … Nick.

What type of solder are you using to connect copper chain segments?

@Nickscreativestuff

Жыл бұрын

Hi Just Me, I mostly resort to silver solder paste because it’s quick easy and convenient to use … N

Hey just wondering what size wire do you use for most of your chains?

@Nickscreativestuff

2 ай бұрын

Hi Andrew, I prefer to make fine delicate neck chains these days so my preferred wire size is normally about 0.8mm which results in an elegant and detailed chain … N

Thank you for the video! Could you say me the name of this kind of pliers, please! Thank you so much!

@Nickscreativestuff

Жыл бұрын

hi Susanne, these pliers are called external circlip pliers used in the car mechanics industry … very useful for jewellery making … cheers … Nick

@susannecerneka2926

Жыл бұрын

@@Nickscreativestuff Thank you so much for your reply! Definitely have to find some!

@Nickscreativestuff

Жыл бұрын

I think the jewellery tool supply companies are missing a trick not selling these … maybe too cheap for them … N

@susannecerneka2926

Жыл бұрын

@@Nickscreativestuff Ah, that´s why I never saw these! Was looking already some times for them!

@Nickscreativestuff

Жыл бұрын

I first found these in an outlet called Halfords in the UK … N

Nick, what gauge wire did you use?

@Nickscreativestuff

Жыл бұрын

hi Pamela, I used 1 mm wire for both small and large links … cheers … Nick

Whats is that device used to twist the jump rings??

@Nickscreativestuff

3 ай бұрын

Hi Brittnee, one of the bent nails was held in locking pliers and the other was held in a Jacobs chuck tool that I made in this video kzread.info/dash/bejne/epmp2dSlct3eiKw.html … N

Why do you chose to clean up (sand) the links after you twist them. Wouldn’t it be easier to clean up after making them oval, but before twisting. I’m new to this, so I’m asking so I can better understand steps in processes. Thanks!

@Nickscreativestuff

Жыл бұрын

hi Kim, I find it inevitable with some chain designs that a few of the links will break with all the stretching and bending they go through. I tend to leave the cleanup until the end once the links have made it that far and if any of the joints are visible and need a touchup … cheers … Nick

@kimauger4293

Жыл бұрын

@@Nickscreativestuff I've been following along and making this chain. I'm making an anklet for my niece. I've had two break (both after I asked the question). So now I get it. 🙃

@Nickscreativestuff

Жыл бұрын

hi Kim, nice to hear you’re making an anklet with this chain so many variations on a theme with this sort of thing. I like how delicate it can be made allowing to be economical with silver … N

Hi Nick, what dia was the initial twisted ring?

@Nickscreativestuff

Жыл бұрын

hi Tony, The initial jump ring before twisting was 6.5mm diameter made from 1mm wire … cheers … Nick

@tonywalton2333

Жыл бұрын

@@Nickscreativestuff thanks Nick.. nice work, going to give it a try.. 👍

Incredible, a question how long is the chain

@Nickscreativestuff

4 ай бұрын

Thanks Neuvillate, this chain ended up being 19 inches long … N

@neuvillate1823

3 ай бұрын

​@@Nickscreativestuff Thank you, one more question, the stick that you used that says 6 1/2 mm is for knitting?

@Nickscreativestuff

3 ай бұрын

yes I use knitting needles a lot as they are cheap, readily available and come in a large variety of sizes … N

@neuvillate1823

3 ай бұрын

@@Nickscreativestuff Okay, I apologize if I ask several questions, but I want to make a chain like yours. Did you buy silver cable that was 1750 mm, did you use all of it for this project?

@Nickscreativestuff

3 ай бұрын

I don’t mind answering questions, It’s nice to be able to help if I can. I tend to make my own wire so end up reducing stuff down to size and using odds that I have around. weighing the chain at the end gives me the opportunity to estimate how much wire I would have used and how much it would have cost if I had bought it in one piece … N

Does anyone know what size mandrill he used??

@Nickscreativestuff

2 ай бұрын

Hi Tyler, The first mandrel I used was 6.5mm diameter and the second was 2.4mm … N

Do you sell the chains and how mach the prices?

@Nickscreativestuff

5 ай бұрын

Sorry I don’t sell stuff, just make it for the pleasure … N

02:50 it looked like you put pancake syrup on that brush.

@Nickscreativestuff

Жыл бұрын

Hi Shojo, cleaning silver with soap and a brass brush is quick as making pancakes … however don’t put the soap on your pancakes … N

Ok ok

@Nickscreativestuff

11 ай бұрын

ok thanks … N

Do you sell them?

@Nickscreativestuff

Жыл бұрын

sorry malady, being a hobbyist I don’t sell stuff … N

А у кого нет станка, то им как делать колечки🤷‍♀️

Hi

@Nickscreativestuff

Жыл бұрын

👍😎👍

@Nickscreativestuff

Жыл бұрын

👍😎👍 … N

Gosh dang it I don't need another hobby....

@Nickscreativestuff

25 күн бұрын

can never have too many happy hobbies … have fun … N

I feel like you have done this before

@Nickscreativestuff

Жыл бұрын

Hi rhaven, I tend to make it up as I go along somewhat … cheers … N

Great vidio but skip the music

@Nickscreativestuff

8 ай бұрын

hi Eric thanks for that, I try to state in most of my videos … “being a voiceless video If you don’t like the music you turn the sound off” … cheers … Nick

@erickjanssen653

8 ай бұрын

🙂True but then I can't hear the sounds of you working, sawing, hammering ect

@Nickscreativestuff

8 ай бұрын

May need to upload two versions then … recording a quality work sound is difficult sometimes especially when some of it is filmed on the dinner table with all the household clatter going on around. “You can please some of the people all of the time, you can please all of the people some of the time, but you can’t please all of the people all of the time” ― John Lydgate

@erickjanssen653

8 ай бұрын

The work sounds are good the way they are

@Nickscreativestuff

8 ай бұрын

thanks Erick, I’ll keep it in mind … N

Hi Nick. Another nice chain. Always nice to see different variations. What was the total length of the chain please? Cheers Jim

@Nickscreativestuff

Жыл бұрын

hi Jim thanks for that, endless variations in style to play with … it ended up being 19 inches long … cheers … Nick

@jimbartley9125

Жыл бұрын

@@Nickscreativestuff Thanks for the info. Cheers Jim