Never thought I'd want a muzzle loader so much, just need to decide 6",4",3" or 2" 🤔think it has to be the snubby!

@thepenultimateninja5797

Жыл бұрын

The fact that it can use smokeless powder makes the snubby a viable option, since black powder really needs a long barrel to burn in. I actually have a cut-down Remington 1858, but I would be the first to admit that it's seriously impractical. I wouldn't consider any snubnose revolver to be the ideal choice for a target gun, simply because of the short sight radius, but they are fun to shoot.

@cunnyfred9562

Жыл бұрын

Do you need a FAC to own one of these muzzle loading revolvers? I am a bit confused by the UK Firearms Laws.

@thepenultimateninja5797

Жыл бұрын

@@cunnyfred9562 Yes you do need a FAC to own one of these.

@EnglishShooting

Жыл бұрын

@@cunnyfred9562 as Ninja said you’ll need a slot on an FAC, they are section 1.

@EnglishShooting

Жыл бұрын

@@thepenultimateninja5797 I just like the look of the stubby, these aren’t the most accurate guns anyway so all about the experience and cool factor.

Meanwhile where I live in Montana, people trade semi-automatic pistols and revolvers amongst each other like they're Pokémon cards 😅

@turbogrin

Жыл бұрын

True Story!😁

@EnglishShooting

Жыл бұрын

One can only dream!

@kootenaiblades946

Жыл бұрын

Living that life in the state of Idaho as well. (But I still prefer muzzleloaders) I think this pistol is pretty awesome too.

Got to say as an average American working man with a pretty decent collection I'd actually love to have something like this. Shotgun primers are the only common and relatively cheap primers in the states these days. And it's different, very different

@EnglishShooting

Жыл бұрын

I'm sure it could be exported 🙂

@jizzmonkey9679

Жыл бұрын

@@EnglishShooting by tje time it got to them it would cost more than a korth

@dmytro732

Жыл бұрын

@@EnglishShooting It's cap and ball so, legally speaking, it's not even a firearm under US law and is therefore essentially unregulated.

Callum - the great thing about this gun is that it can be shared by other shooters in your club, unlike the regular LPR or LB Pistol, that can only be shot by the registered owner.

God I feel bad for you guys!!!! Cheers from the USA!!!

You Britts are clever when it comes to law workarounds. That thing is cool. Would love to have one.

Great quality revolvers , i have shot a few of them now . cracking guns

I had one of these and they are a lot of fun. Overall less hassle than a tradition ML with a (once loaded and ready to go) more modern look and feel. That said careful primer selection before a range visit is absolutely key! There's so little gap between the cylinder and frame that everything must seat completely flush and the cylinder itself kept very clean. I'm all for solutions like this and innovative people like Alan with the guts to make things happen. We'd have nothing but 19th century ML's otherwise.

Alan is such a legend

@EnglishShooting

Жыл бұрын

Completely agree

the revolvers look amazing !

Wow! It looks like a piece of artwork

Thank you for posting. Very intriguing revolver. Would love to own one.

I was lucky enough to try one of these out recently. I was awesome

It is surprising, I didn't know much of this idea or the effort to make it. It's good.

What a great idea, love it

The lengths in which it takes a European to get a firearm that has been outdated for over 100 years

@EnglishShooting

Жыл бұрын

But they give out suppressors like Life Savers so we have that going for us 😆

@Ryan.90

Жыл бұрын

@@EnglishShooting I think there's even a European country where it's an offence to hunt without one! I've heard of quite a few lads over here, have an FO suggest they put down suppressors for all the firearms they're requesting a slot for. It's a totally different culture, they just don't have the sinister connotations? They're just seen as useful to prevent hearing damage and cut down on 'noise pollution'. Obviously the Americans have Hollywood to contend with...

@xxxxxxxx183

Жыл бұрын

Same thing for felons in America its a shame someone who does their time is limited to blackpowder

@Ryan.90

Жыл бұрын

@@xxxxxxxx183 Here in the UK the law is, a sentence of 3 months - 3 years you're prohibited for 5 years, (pretty sure that stands whether or not it's a suspended sentence too.) Over 3 years and it's a lifetime ban. That's how you stand on paper, of course British firearms certificates aren't, 'shall issue', it's discretionary. Lots of people get denied a certificate even though they aren't 'legally prohibited' but they're still deemed inappropriate to hold firearms. On the flip side you have many more folks who don't bother applying as they got arrested and cautioned for being boisterous as a student in 2007 so assume they'll not get one. When realistically that'd probably get overlooked if they were honest about it.

@b.critical7873

Жыл бұрын

A better situation than having a School shooting every week!

Thanks for giving me many reasons and examples why we must resist imitating the UK as regard to firearms restrictions.

Alan is such a perfectionist he makes the tolerances possibly a little too fine. Fouling will make the cylinder jam so you need to clean the cylinder between shots, especially the primer pockets, but Alan makes a tool that is quick and simple to use. You also need to only use soft lead bullets. Alan makes a beautiful swaged wad cutter but my favourite is a Hornady hollow base. In the film you see them loading a barrel wad cutter, very good and cheap. Never use a hard lead as I destroyed a cylinder and Alan had to make me a new one. Powder has to be a large flake and I used Blue Dot. Load approximates a .38 special.

@calebcrilow7505

Жыл бұрын

If its smikeless its no problem. It appears smokeless

@MattF12765

Жыл бұрын

@@calebcrilow7505 Herco is popular.

I love the Brits for thier history and ingenuity. As an American, I own half a dozen ARs in varying calibers, but I enjoy muzzleloading alot more! I would love to experience shooting in the UK one day, if allowed, of course.

£950 for a made to order revolver is actually a very good price. I love stuff like this, i hate that this has to happen but as an engineering enjoyer this is great. Basically a modern revolver with a 10 minute reload

If l was still in the UK, l would buy this gun. Closest gun you can own to a true handgun without question. ❤

Very cool. Here (in The States) all of our black powder revolvers are reproductions of 19th century designs. This is very interesting.

@tacfoley4443

Жыл бұрын

Necessity is the mother of invention. Somebody said.

Just a tip: Try lubricating the "bullets", and/or as well as stuffing the remaining chamber space with lube, something along the lines of Bore Butter, or even Crisco (lard). (This, of course, means using slightly less powder, so there is sufficient room to put lube on top of the projectiles.) This lubrication will cut down on some of the fouling, reducing the seizing up of the cylinder. (It'll also help keep the barrel clean and lubed.) You could also have a can of CLP standing by, to spritz the cylinder pin during shooting. Also, not sure if it is allowable by English law, but if so, you could consider pre-made paper cartridges. Use cigarette papers, and some light glue. Wrap the paper over a tapered wooden dowel (tapered to fit in chamber, not too snugly, not too loosely), leaving some paper at bottom , to fold over and glue. Let dry. Pour in desired/needed powder charge, then add the bullet, seating firmly on powder. Twist off the top of the paper, over the bullet, and cut away excess. (You can still even use lubed/waxed bullets, but you'll need a cardboard spacer between the powder and bullet, to not foul the powder.) Then, all that's left is pushing the paper cartridge into the chamber, and ramming it home with the loading rod. No need to puncture the paper (though you can), as the primer will burn through the paper. Besides, the paper will crush and break, when run down with the loading lever. I love my black powder pistols. I'm a little jealous though... Mine use number 10 caps (very small, hard to place), not shotgun primers. The primer setup on that Alpha looks awesome, and less troublesome than my caps-on-nipples setups. Of course, my pistols are historical reproductions, so the nipples are historically accurate, but the convenience of primer "wells" would be nice for at least some of my pistols. Have fun blowing smoke!

I don't know why the authorities don't like these , they're no different from other BP revolvers , just a modern version.

@EnglishShooting

Жыл бұрын

Because it's a gun, no logic needed.

@MattF12765

Жыл бұрын

@Tom Thumb Are you sure you don't mean left wing politics?

Shot that before down at Phoenix Range. Reloading times just a pain but it's a good gun. Never had issues that you was having though lol.

@EnglishShooting

Жыл бұрын

I quite enjoy the reloading aspect and think it adds to shooting it.

I always feel so bad for anyone into firearms that lives in a restricted country. If it was me i would literally get depressed from not being able to own and enjoy what I want.

@aspiealpaca1917

Жыл бұрын

I'm British and yes I am depressed about not having any firearms. Too depressed to even work. It's been this way since I was like 15.

@justincaldwell7614

Жыл бұрын

@William Tell sure there is more to life but everyone has their own passions in life and mine so happens to be owning and shooting guns. Ive been infatuated with firearms since I was a child. Everyone likes different things there's nothing wrong with that but I'm just saying for example someone who is into cars for example wouldnt like being told they can No longer be that into cars cause everyone decided to heavily regulate them and tell people what kinds of cars they are allowed to have and how they should use them.

@Floridaman6815

2 ай бұрын

@@aspiealpaca1917I know it’s not the same but could you buy a 12 foot pound air rifle and use it to shoot targets and maybe small game? It would be a good introduction to marksmanship and then you could see about joining a club or getting a shotgun license. Still though it sucks that British citizens can’t own basic stuff.

sad that its needed

@EnglishShooting

Жыл бұрын

It is, but I'm glad we do instead of nothing.

The revolver in this revolver looks very interesting and I would love to shoot it. I am going to assume it is like a 38 Special. I am not how well it would sell here (I live in the USA) as our working reproduction cap and ball revolvers can be had for about $300USD. But it definitely has some fantastic innovation. Remember, following the law is not a loophole.

@marshalofod1413

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, $300 for a few Piettas, mostly brass 1851 Navies that cost that or less. Most other Piettas, and certainly Ubertis, are in the $350 to $400 range now, minimum. I miss the days when I could get a deal like my Pietta Rem NMA (1858). It cost $235, and I got a spare cylinder. The pandemic, and the run on all things guns, put an end to those days!

Hi Callum, Are you still shooting the Alfa 357? Had nitro burner with a new model army and seriously tempted on this one.

Great video. Curious with muzzle loaders in the UK, are there any restrictions on how many cylinders you can own and make up before hand to bring it the range?

@EnglishShooting

Жыл бұрын

There’s no limits in law to how many cylinders you can have, the only slight restriction is each cylinder is considered a firearm and requires permission for each one you want to own.

Is there any issue with powder going through the flash hole before you get the primers seated? I'm glad to see you guys have an option over there for some simulacra of pistol shooting. It's such a different world from here where I daily carry a 9mm Smith & Wesson and have a safe full of auto loading rifles.

@D1MCV

Жыл бұрын

No, the powder used has grains that will not run through the flash holes.

Can the cylinder be swapped out with that on a functional D/A Taurus? I'd expect the ejector rod would also need to be replaced with the compatible one. If he runs into stiff and persistent resistance in the UK, maybe he could produce BP conversion kits for sales to the American market. Great product for a modern six shooter!!

@christhegreenman9475

Жыл бұрын

No the crane is specific to the Westlake alfa, the cylinder fits onto it, no ejector rod.

@MattF12765

Жыл бұрын

Don't be daft. That's a sure way to say goodbye to your FAC.

If he chould figure out as way to cheaply mass produce cyliders that'd be a really cool gun even in the us les handgun friendly states. It'd probably br quicker hen a normal relaod with bullets. He also needs to makes a system where the primers are pressed in or you're going to get thst jamming,

I have two of these and both have the cylinder binding issue, in fact there are a few more at my club and they all seem to have the same issue.. Slightly annoying and i should probably call Alan and ask him about it but it's still great fun

@EnglishShooting

Жыл бұрын

A couple of people have said it could be due to the primers not seating correctly and catching.

@todderstaffes

Жыл бұрын

@@EnglishShooting yes I am sure it could be that.. I think Alan recommends chedite but we only seem to be able to get cci in the local dealers...

@CharlezEggs

Жыл бұрын

@@todderstaffes Remington 209 primers are the best

@Rob-100

Жыл бұрын

Chidite work fine Cci do not as they are a slightly different size

@sy247

Жыл бұрын

The problem is due to carbon fowling in the primer pockets but also the difference in size between primers. There are slight variations in size, if you measure them with calipers you will see it and can sort out the ones that fowl the frame

Here in the states we have conversions to go from black powder cylinder to cartridge weird seeing it the other way.

@Floridaman6815

2 ай бұрын

It’s crazy but at the same time if I lived there I would take it over a knife

interesting. there was a blank-only firing Alfa made revolver that uses shotgun primers instead of blank cartridges. IIRC it was based on a rimfire version with aluminium frame. somehow this version shown looks like a logical step

So what kind of powder is being used? Is it a solid pellet(s) like you can get for some modern muzzle loaders, or is there something I am missing with the design of the cylinder thats preventing the powder from falling out before a primer is placed?

@Rob-100

Жыл бұрын

I used to stick a bit of foam in the primer pocket to Make sure no powder fell out. I used herco powder which I spell wrong.

3:03 Armscor are resellers for Alfa revolvers, which are decent, but for the love of god, stay away from their Rock Island Armory revolvers - they are absolute junk. I had one, and I had to return it four times over a period of six months before they finally managed to supply me with a working one. Luckily, I live in America so I was able to do the returns by mail, but I shudder to think how difficult it would be for someone in the UK, especially as they had to replace my gun twice (ie different serial numbers). I expect Westlake do their own quality control, so it's less risky, but the guns are so poorly made, I don't have much confidence in their long term durability. Once they sent me a working one, I took it straight to the gun store and traded it towards the purchase of a different gun. I made videos to document the faulty guns and return process, so I urge you to watch those first if you're considering buying one.

Forgive my ignorance but can/is Nitro powder used in these revolvers? It would save a lot of mess and corrosion issues if so.

@EnglishShooting

Жыл бұрын

They are all Nitro, only the very first versions were black powder.

@raymondmajer8748

Жыл бұрын

@@EnglishShooting Thanks for the info🙂

A neat solution to twatty laws

@EnglishShooting

Жыл бұрын

Nature finds a way!

@geraldreynolds9650

Жыл бұрын

My feeling also.Im English and lived in South Africa for 36 years.I had tons of guns of all types and all quite legal.

@alanrogs3990

Жыл бұрын

There is another solution 😉

no matter what laws they wright they can never stop human ingenuity from getting what it wants.

@alanrogs3990

Жыл бұрын

Or just disregard laws meant to control us like sheep.

Ouch! Ouch! Ouch! Do I feel the Englishman's pain?

@Rob-100

Жыл бұрын

It’s a pain to get a FAC in the uk. But if you pass all the background checks which goes back a long way then you you can have quite a lot of different firearms if you can prove your need for them. It’s very strict here. Which is good I feel.

Can you buy multiple cylinders and hot swap them like magazines is my question

@EnglishShooting

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely, each cylinder is a controlled component so you will need a slot for every additional cylinder.

@samsniper2000

Жыл бұрын

@@EnglishShooting I've just checked the website and each cylinder is £300 that's rough, I think I'll look towards an lbr at that point. Understandable price considering each one is custom made.

@varney2010

Жыл бұрын

I've shot three different barrel lengths of these and although they look cool and feel nice in the hand they seem to suffer from timing issues as they all spit lead sideways from the forcing cone. I much prefer my Taurus LBR, I can just load proper cartridges and shoot without all the fuss.

@ApurtureSci

Жыл бұрын

@@varney2010 Funnily enough that's the biggest issue with my Taurus, could be a timing issue but doesn't look too far off visually. I've actually been hit in the ear by lead shavings, drew blood! My Chiappa and Uberti create far less of a blast.

@varney2010

Жыл бұрын

@@ApurtureSci It happens occasionally with every revolver but with these it seems like every shot and I'm not a fan of their double action trigger pull . My Remington NMA also seems a far better bet in terms of cost and reliability. Respect to AW though for all his efforts in the UK pistol scene.

Primers first otherwise what stops the power from calling out ?

@davefool6815

8 ай бұрын

I thought that the first time I used this gun years ago. The guy who let me have a go said "I don't know how it doesn't fall out but it just works lol". I am still puzzled lol

Might be cool if it you could of showed more than 15grain loads. Here in the ststes I'm doing 35grains of 777 in a 5.5in long barrell 1858. If this thing could hold s decent 30 to 35grains it could be pretty cool especially how easy cyclenders come off. I really wish someone would make or come out with a kit to turn like a 1858 44cal new army or equivalent into a 257 or 308. If I was getting almost 100fps with 200grain slugs out a 5.5in barrel in 44cal imagine what you could do with a 65grain .257 prob around 22mag speeds or a heavier 125grain for more fpe. Either way make one 1⃣ those 44cal bp revolvers into a 22-308cal and keep the powder ammoung in the cylender the same and youde get Some crazy results.

Can you have multiple cylinders or are you limited to just one??

@Rob-100

Жыл бұрын

Multiple cylinders but each one has to be on your FAC

So do you need a license to own this pistol?

Needs a loading lever

In theory a muzzle loader can be just as accurate is not more so than a weapon using fixed metallic ammunition loaded from the breech. What ingenuity that needed to overcome shameful british law.

So hard to get one atm😢

@EnglishShooting

Жыл бұрын

I've heard, he's having issues getting the parts into the country at the moment, or moreover released from Customs.

@chriscullen8170

Жыл бұрын

@@EnglishShooting ye I spoke to him. He put me on the list for when he has some. Friend at the range has one and they are lovely guns

@MattF12765

Жыл бұрын

@@EnglishShooting Spoke to him the other day and he's importing without the barrels attached so the home office can't go all section 5 on him. Was quoted around 6 month wait.

There'll always be an England (I hope).

I guess I'm missing the point with the British gun laws. What's the difference between a standard DA revolver, that takes standard cartridges vs this revolver loaded with smokeless powder, primer, and projectiles? Does it make it less lethal because it doesn't take cartridges? And I thought we had some stupid laws here in the US!

@anghelescu

Жыл бұрын

I think it's the fact that it makes reloading much slower.

@tacfoley4443

Жыл бұрын

Here in Mainland UK, cartridge-firing handguns are generally prohibited firearms, after the Dunblane Massacre in 1996. In England, Scotland and Wales only Section 7 certificate holders my have a cartridge-firing handgun that still LOOKS like an ordinary handgun. the rest of us have to put up with so-called 'long-barrelled revolvers' [in any calibre], or Long-barrelled pistols [semi-auto in .22cal only]. In Northern Ireland they can have ANY kind of handgun, just like before the ban. Callum has made another video about how regular handguns may be owned on Mainland UK - kzread.info/dash/bejne/jGWLxNKwpbSbp84.html

@mikek8089

Жыл бұрын

@tacfoley , Wow, that's quite a process to go through!

Very interesting, I shoot a reproduction BP revolver. Please use the correct term of “bullet” not head.

@EnglishShooting

Жыл бұрын

Sorry bad habit 🙂

Wow? I don't even know what to say? A modern revolver, that you have to load like a black powder one? Better off,not even having one. It looks interesting. But, highly impractical.

I have some issues with these revolvers.. firstly the primers leak and blast muck into the action. These frames are not designed to be opened and cleaned and are not easy to keep in working order. My main issue is however with the loading sequence. I really do not like the idea of folk carrying round loaded and primed cylinders. This practice is not allowed on "normal" muzzle loading pistols which should only be primed on the firing point. Loaded cylinders are IMHO dangerous and are capable of discharging if dropped as the primers are all exposed.

hahahaha that's ridiculous to do all that

Hopefully the Liberals wont ban these too

@jjort

Жыл бұрын

@@daibhidhSCO well then maybe I am mistaken and the Liberals will give you all your handguns back then..Maybe the toxic USA politics and mindsets bounced off the UK and landed squarely in Canada...Wont be long before there is no such thing a British gun owner...not a legal one anyway

Fuckin sad.

@EnglishShooting

Жыл бұрын

Better than nothing.

I guess you can do this because of those loaders not technically a firearm or do they consider them firearms, unlike the states I hope for your sake. They are not firearms to at least give you some freedom.

now you can shoot just like a American lol.

my countrys gun laws have got worse and worse with every hundresds of thousands of immigrants. Im sure to say that it went batshit crazy in the UK for the same reason.

so you can carry several loaded cylinders as spare magazines