For me, it was when the “in depth” bible study was always a study about somebody else’s book about the bible, rather than the bible itself. The emphasis was always skewed in one direction (prosperity), as though there was nothing else in there.

@JohnSmith-zo6ir

11 ай бұрын

Well said.

@pammorgan706

11 ай бұрын

Unfortunately, that is how most church Bible Studies are. My Pastor said he was going to do a Bible Study at my last church, and he proceeded to deconstruct it based in his and others' "biblical scholarship". I knew then that I had to move on.

@markkusyrjala7919

11 ай бұрын

@@pammorgan706 in what way was it deconstructed?

@downburst3236

11 ай бұрын

It seems easier to rely on someone else's revelation than to get on your knees and get revelation yourself.

@kevinerose

11 ай бұрын

So True! I'm okay with exploring someone's view point but let's also look at what the Bible really says as a whole. Sure there are verses of prosperity but let's also go to Proverbs that talks about foolish versus wise decisions. In today's world, it is very important every Christian know and understand the entire Bible just to protect them from predatory pastors and church leaders and teachers.

ONE time - I was sitting under a pastor who was in most ways terrific, but a strange undercurrent started to show up in his messages. I knew where the influence was coming from. When I prayed God told me "Don't correct him, pray for him." To my astonishment, the very next Sunday he repented to his congregation, got back on track - and threw out the offenders. Literally made them leave. Pastors face a lot of attacks from the enemy. Probably the number one rule is, don't leave unless God tells you. Don't just make up your own mind. You HEAR from God. If He tells you to go - go. If He doesn't say anything, don't move. :)

@JohnSmith-zo6ir

11 ай бұрын

God doesnt have to tell you anything. He's already told you in the scriptures. Use your discernment and leave immediately.

@gregmann5687

11 ай бұрын

@@JohnSmith-zo6ir If you're sure He put you in that church to begin with, it would be foolish to just leave because you hear a wrong teaching. You might be there to help change problems through your prayer and even counsel maybe. BUT - if you aren't led enough by God to know whether or not He brought you to that church to begin with - I guess it doesn't matter. Do what you want to do. It all depends on your view on assignments.

@loveforgood7520

11 ай бұрын

@gregmann5687 what you experienced was for you, doesn't mean it will be for everyone. Sure what you experienced can happen to others, it just depends on wether God leads us to something like that or not. I find that I think it also depend maybe on how close you are to God. If we draw close to God He will draw close to us.

@loveforgood7520

11 ай бұрын

@@gregmann5687 also in one of Paul's books that he wrote according to God also, if we know better about the kind of doctrine a pastor your listening to is not of sound doctrine..then we should run from it. So it depends on God.

@gregmann5687

11 ай бұрын

@@loveforgood7520 Yes, I believe that too. That's a good way to put it :)

There are many indicators out there that will show when you should leave a church. All the pastors teaching sound doctrine and in correct context out there, we need to pray for them and even for those that are not.

@JohnSmith-zo6ir

11 ай бұрын

Amen

I love this video, Alisa! This is a vital, vital subject and it was well handled in this short clip. I know that I had one completely unbending rule in looking for a local church: they had to preach the Bible from the pulpit on a regular basis (not once a month or less). You would not believe how long it took me in a small town to go through the 30 churches here (many were easy immediate cross offs, like 7th Day Adventist, Jehova's Witness, etc.) to find ONE that just preached the Bible from the pulpit! Then, it's how well do they BELIEVE in what God is saying in the Bible? This is mammoth.

Thank you Alisa and Dan. 🇦🇺

For us, we started hearing quotes from Tim Keller and others that caused us to start paying closer attention. Then the church brought in Preston Sprinkle to host conferences on critical race theory and homosexuality. We knew that our church was going to go “Woke.” After a year of trying to raise the alarm and confront the false teaching, we left. Sadly, we left our community group too, which was painful but necessary. Weak theology and the pursuit of unity over biblical truth, combined with an obsession to be “missional” has compromised the church.

@omarwalker3056

11 ай бұрын

What is Preston Sprinkle’s view on homosexuality? Didn’t he just come out with a new book?

@westyso.cal.8842

11 ай бұрын

@@omarwalker3056 Sprinkle is sort of a tricky one to nail down. He wants to appear theologically conservative, but often times pushes ideas that are contrary to sound historic doctrine. Much of what he promotes is more aligned with secular psychology and liberal academia, then Biblical orthodoxy. I’d have to say that he falls into the affirming camp when it comes to homosexuality. He uses the term “Gay-Christian,” and promotes the idea of practicing what he calls “Pronoun Hospitality” in reference to the trans issue. Preston breaks away from orthodoxy on other issues as well, the doctrine of hell and eternal conscience torment for example. I usually warn people to be very careful with Preston. He’s more progressive in his interpretation and his hermeneutic than I am comfortable with. Hope that helps.

@conceptualclarity

11 ай бұрын

It is clear that the Revoice or Side B thing Preston Sprinkle and many others are pursuing is a bridge that leads to the apostasy of outright condoning of homosexual sex. Already there are a lot of former evangelicals who have trodden that road like Tony Campolo and David Gushee.

The vein of thought that confused me the most was this idea that it is normal to have doubts. Matthew 28:17 was shown as a defense of this idea...that it is normal to be both worship and doubting. (And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted.) It was when I came to understand that having questions is not the same as doubting that I began to see more clearly how lost I had gotten from the truth of God and His Word.

@wlodell

11 ай бұрын

Yes, having questions is not the same as doubting. Trust God, trust His Word, and take your questions to Him.

@2Snakes

11 ай бұрын

@@wlodell Its okay to do research to have your questions answered. If you are willing to follow what is true, then you have nothing to fear.

To me, when the church worship team starts singing Bethel, Elevation Church, Hillsong music, that is a sure sign the enemy is in the camp. I am seeing this in the Calvary Chapel I attend now.

@loveforgood7520

11 ай бұрын

What state and city is the church your attending now? There are a number of churches with that name out there, that is one reason why I'm asking. Sincere question.

@JohnSmith-zo6ir

11 ай бұрын

Add Hope Centre Church Brisbane who are big mates with Hillsong Church. Brian Houston and Wayne Alcorn from Hope Centre Church are both current and past presidents of Australian Christian Churches the Pentecostal churches in Australia. Their churches are full of pastors having affairs, inappropriate sexual advances on young girls, abusive male and female "pastors" and covering up for paedophiles. The Australian government has launched a Royal Commission into Hillsong Church it is so bad.

@leannejarocki4457

11 ай бұрын

@dancer775 what's wrong with that particular worship music?

@Dancer1292

11 ай бұрын

@@leannejarocki4457 It is an intricate part of the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR) movement. Do some research on your own, let the Holy Spirit of God direct. For example, Google "New Apostolic Reformation music".

@loveforgood7520

11 ай бұрын

@leannejarocki4457 also, all of those churches have leadership that is not really from God. Right now I don't know how to explain it really well, it's just not of God. Hillsong, ive seen many problems within that church and bethel is really bad too with their teaching elevation is connected to all the bad also and I've heard Jesus culture is just as bad, even though it uses Jesus name doesn't mean its good. Not all who claim they are Christian are indeed Christian, need to test the spirit. Also, you will see their fruits.

I pray the rapture is soon. Jesus save me. Lord please change my life for the better. Thank you Jesus for never leaving my side, because everyone else has! Jesus! I PRAISE you! Even as I’m struggling providing for my children. I feel like a failure but I will keep faith because faith is all I have left! Since covid I can’t seem to get back on my feet. I lost my job for declining the vaccine. I declined due to my health conditions. I suffer from lupus, and heart disease. I’m now waitressing and so thankful to be working but I’m not making nearly enough to get by. I have two beautiful boys both are autistic. I’m overwhelmed because they require so much from me. Every month is a struggle to not end up on the streets with my boys. I’m struggling buying groceries I’m so discouraged. Jesus hear my cries I’m so tired. But I have faith! Jesus hear my prayers. ❤

@anothergoldilocks1077

11 ай бұрын

@littleneedlesfarm6387

11 ай бұрын

To want the "rapture" to come outside of God's timing is to condemn unbelievers who may come to the Lord, to hell prematurely. Be content that you know your destination, and pray like crazy that unbelievers would come to know the Lord! Don't cut their opportunity short for your comfort.

@bookflicka8412

11 ай бұрын

I’m so sorry that you are struggling and hurting! You did the right thing for your body by refusing the vaccine and now it seems like you are being punished from those in charge who have no understanding of how it could hurt you. It’s wrong and it is not fair. But God WILL come through and he will provide for your every need. He is there with you and he LOVES you so very much! I have a chronic and painful illness and totally understand how hard it must be for you to have to work so hard and try to take care of your boys on top of everything. It must be totally overwhelming and I’m so, so sorry! Are you able to go to your church for help or is there any assistance in your community? I promise to be praying for you and your boys. I will pray for relief and remission from Lupus and heart disease. God is capable of anything! Hang on to Jesus and ask him to fill you with faith, trust and hope. I will be praying this for you also, along with provision and rest. He sees you and he cares and I care too! 🙏❤️

@LB-hi6zc

11 ай бұрын

Hebrews 13:5 echoes the same sentiment, putting an extra emphasis on what not to have confidence in: “Keep your lives free from the love of money and be content with what you have, because God has said, ‘Never will I leave you; never will I forsake you.’Hang in there, God can bring good out of everything

@suzannejefferson7066

11 ай бұрын

Read I Thessalonians 1: 17, 18 The word "Rapture" is from the Latin translation of the Greek words "caught up" in vs. 17. See also 1Thess 5: 9 God has not destined us for wrath...See 2 Thess 2: 7 about the Holy Spirit or "Restrainer" being taken out of the way, since the Lord has promised never to leave us, when the Holy Spirit is removed, so are believers...See also Titus 2:13 and Rev. 3:10

There isn’t one church in our town that doesn’t have something odd going on. It’s horrible! Contemplative prayer, or Bethel Redding influence, …big issues!

@loveforgood7520

11 ай бұрын

So what do you do when it comes to fellowship and spending time with God alone and with brothers and sisters?

@DS-md7jn

11 ай бұрын

Remember there is no perfect church this side of heaven. Stick with the essentials, you will never completely agree with any church.

@candicec6513

11 ай бұрын

Ours too. No church that isn't off.

@loveforgood7520

11 ай бұрын

@@candicec6513 maybe, but I think that there might be a church that is very close to Christ.

I'm currently working through the question of "when is it time to leave"? The average individual will benefit greatly from being in a church where the Scriptures are the authority. I left a very solid church over an hour's drive away. Now, I'm trying to work with a church that's struggling. Fighting for the authority of Scripture will take its toll on you.

the problem you seem to have Stateside is that lots of people grow up as 'evangelicals', but are NEVER BORN AGAIN, CONVERTED and so are not real Christians, so no wonder they 'lose their faith' or 'become atheists' - they grew up with sound doctrine but unsound personal experience!

Sadly my church is slowly going woke. Rather, senior staff is dragging us there. After the George Floyd situation, my pastor preached a sermon that basically accused the congregation of having benefited from systemic racism and white supremacy, and that we needed to repent. He twisted scripture way out of context to support his agenda. In spite of the fact that we give $200K per year to fund a dozen inner city ministries to help the poor fight poverty, and send them to private Christian schools, etc. Many of these ministries were started by members of our own congregation. Our Session sadly gave into his every whim. This pastor even told some of us in a private meeting that if we didn't like what he was doing, then we could leave. On top of that, last summer 2022, we had a Sunday School class on The History of Racism in the American Church. A one-sided diatribe which no one was allowed to challenge, and present the other side of true history. And so some 200+ of us (out of 1100) have left. Some refused to be chased out of their church family, others buy into this false preaching, others don't have a clue what is going on. I've read the same thing is going on in many churches today. Satan is laughing...

@tobystamps2920

11 ай бұрын

Amen brother! I would be the first to leave a church like that.

@conceptualclarity

11 ай бұрын

Was it a PCA church or what?

@F8NcH8Ng

11 ай бұрын

@@HaroldZwingley Sadly the numbers aren't there to throw him out. He is a great preacher when he sticks to the Bible, and is personally well liked. His heart and his end goal are in the right place, unfortunately his method to get there is false, cultural, and not Biblical, even though he thinks it is. Plus Session has been hand picked to support his agenda. Other than having a long drawn out ugly fight, which could split the church in half, the only alternative is to just leave. Which is basically happening everywhere when this type of situation arises, within churches and denominations. The theological fundamental/conservatives amongst us do not raise a fight soon enough to throw these people out. And they won't leave on their own, they want to stay and push their evolution. The story of the Methodist church today, ugh.

@F8NcH8Ng

11 ай бұрын

@@conceptualclarity We had been PCUSA but we left in 2015. We are now ECO, but even they are advancing some of this false racial reconciliation teaching as well, based on racism, victim-hood, and oppression. Ignoring the true causes of govt incentivized poverty and breakdown of the 2-parent family.

@conceptualclarity

11 ай бұрын

@@F8NcH8Ng of all of the sham that I have seen in a lifetime of observing American religion the "racial reconciliation" movement recent decades tops the list without a doubt. There was more racial unity in the American church in the 1980s and 1990s than in the current century with the impact of years of preaching hate and division under the guise of "racial reconciliation". I would say to Christians if you're looking for a church and the website prates about "racial reconciliation" or "justice" or "diversity", save yourself some time and understand that it's not a church worth going to. Healthy churches don't pretend that actual justice is something controversial when it's not.

That awkward moments Bible has nothing on the children's Bible I was given by a great grand parent in the early eighties. It was fully illustrated and the art was not cartoonish at all. It looked like Renaissance era paintings. There were dead bodies in the Noah's Ark story, and in some other places. It's astonishing. I think it may have been an Anglican publication because it had a forward from the Archbp of Canterbury. A truly shocking bible to our modern sensibilities. But maybe we would be better off if we didn't see the Bible as cartoons or Veggie Tales videos.

For me, it was when I was in a women’s Bible study and the pastor’s wife was showing off her new, and I quote her words: “tramp stamp.” When I asked: “what about Leviticus 19:28?” And most of the women discounted my question with the argument that the Old Testament isn’t something we should concern ourselves with these days to dictate how we live.

@lauranilsen8988

11 ай бұрын

what is a tramp stamp? 😆

@charliewhon6548

11 ай бұрын

@@lauranilsen8988 just google it; it’ll come up.

Seems like most if not almost all churches are not following God. There is so much emphasis on performance "worship" and women pastors and being more like the world so to be more attractive to the world.

@johnsmit5999

11 ай бұрын

I've heard that if you find a perfect church don't join it because you carry your imperfections in there and it spoils the church.

Look at the volunteer corps. They are the people that really give direction.

I have a friend that was trying to teach some people and they didn't agree with him but could not refute his teaching because he knew his Bible. Yet they insisted they were Christian yet did not know or believe the Book. Matthew 7:21-23 the most terrifying verses for Christianity.

Praying for more Churches to Return to the SOURCE (Father God Himself/Jesus/His Spirit) and His Greatest RE-SOURCE-- The HOLY Scriptures= The Spirit of TRUTH Breathed, Word of Truth, that Testifies, start to finish, of THE TRUTH Himself, =Our Great God and Saviour, the LORD Jesus/Messiah...😞😓😒🥺😔😥🤔😊😁🤠🙏🏽🙏🏼🙏🏾🙌🏽☝🏾❣️

The understanding of the Bible is subjective. It's subject to the interpretation of the Holy Spirit, not to human interpretation. “But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance." There is one reason why people don't ask the Holy Spirit.

For me it was when the Bible's challenging instructions were written off as just cultural. I believe the Bible New Testament instructions is for all people for all of time and not cultural at all. The Bible is the authority and not human opinion.

🙏❤️🌍

What about contingency of Human knowledge? Who agrees with your perspective?

@johnsmit5999

11 ай бұрын

What is contingency of human knowledge?

@makeitcount179

11 ай бұрын

@@johnsmit5999 I mean the fact that each person has a unique capacity to grasp or understand knowledge. Do I understand the rules to interpret certain kinds of writing? I.e. poerry : 'the trees clapped their hands' or Metaphor : Jesus said ' I Am the light of the world'. Or John's gospel. The " Logos" concept. Jesus isn't a construct of vowels and consonants : The Word became flesh"

@makeitcount179

11 ай бұрын

@@johnsmit5999 A simple Faith can save a person but to GROW in Grace and Knowledge...requires correct teaching and diligent learners. After all, 2 Peter 1 is a warning against False knowledge and a description of True Knowledge.

@makeitcount179

11 ай бұрын

@@johnsmit5999 Some people have little education and poor resources. They might never look up a key word in the original language.

Some would argue that this is why sola scriptura is unworkable, because ultimately it means "sola my own idea".

@johnsmit5999

11 ай бұрын

I think sola scriptura more along the lines of only God's idea.

@Lukebarca

11 ай бұрын

There does seem to be some validity to this but unfortunately it seems catholic are also influenced by the culture.

@briannehill7583

11 ай бұрын

Thats not what sola scriptura means at all. Its a statement indicating God's holy, inerrant and inspired word is enough. We don't need papacy. Scripture is our authority being that it is God breathed.

@Lukebarca

11 ай бұрын

@@briannehill7583 I'm sure the original commentor knows the real definition that's why they used quotation marks. Unfortunately a lot of churches at the forefront of the Protestant reformation have really lost their ways.

If you have to ask then that time has already past.

I left the church when they expected me to believe insane things like raising the dead and walking on water. I think I was eleven or twelve. I've never had a moment when I doubted I had made the right decision!

@JohnSmith-zo6ir

11 ай бұрын

Miracles stopped with the Apostles. And that's miracles as defined by changing the laws of nature, like healing and raising from the dead. Those miracles are no more. Today, events which we loosely call miracles, are God's providence. They are not defying the laws of nature which is what Jesus did. So "miracles" and "God spoke to me" are major red flags for identifying false prophets.

@mirandahotspring4019

11 ай бұрын

@@JohnSmith-zo6ir All prophets are false prophets.

@johnsmit5999

11 ай бұрын

@@JohnSmith-zo6ir We are to pray for healing of our brothers and sisters according to James 5. I know a youth pastor whose ministry in Mexico saw a person healed from blindness. A brother last night just told me last night he and coworkers were trying to fix a motor to no avail but after prayer, it miraculously started working. God still has to direct His people on specifics like what area to plant a new church.

@johnsmit5999

11 ай бұрын

Have you been able to find another good church since then?

@mirandahotspring4019

11 ай бұрын

@@johnsmit5999 No longer needed one!

I found so many Pastors understand Buble, then became Atheist. One of them is Bart Ehrman. I study Bible, many religions and Islam, I found Quran is the only Holy scriptures that the answers

Which bible? The Orthodox Tewahedo biblical canon?

I left the church I attended at 11 years of age, but not my faith (I instinctively knew God had nothing to do with it), because of the the toxic non-Christian activities going on at that assembly. At 10 years age, I noticed Elders, Deacons, even the Senior Pastor did not live by God's rules that were preached and the Senior Pastor was doing the most despicable things to children t hat attended that church. I asked, is all this God-approved living or Satan's? By 12 yeas old, I decided they were living Satan's ways and I did not want to be exposed to this non God-like living any more and my parents allowed me to change assemblies but had to attend until I was 16. The head committee of that denomination did nothing but transfer him to another church - that also showed no backbone behavior from those leaders and sinned against protecting children. PS About 20 years later, I heard that the Pastor was criminally charged in civil court since the denomination did nothing. He was found guilty of his sins/crimes toward the children.

@johnsmit5999

11 ай бұрын

What denomination of church was that?

The question was never answered in this video, namely, "How do you know when it's time to leave". Martin Luther never left his church. He challenged the clergy in regard to doctrinal issues, on biblical grounds. The church then turned their backs on him. He still did not leave. But that would have been the time to do it. Jesus said to his disciples, if you go into a city and it will not receive you, then outside the city (after leaving) openly knock the dust of the city off of your shoes as a testimony against the city. Luther confronted the church about their violations of scripture and they rejected him. They clung to their traditions. They esteemed their traditions higher than God's word. That's the time to leave. Jesus said, "Think not that I have come to bring peace to the world, but a sword". God's word is divisive, because his followers love his word, and those who hate him will hate his word.

Doctrine and Bible version Matter!

Neville Goddard you egnore what I AM means in you called temple you both stuck outside with ink on paper trying to sprout vanities like Saul till woke inside your mind then you become Paul who told you written stories Allegory but you think historical stories and I AM is your mystery made with flesh hands called church.

@Matthew_85k

11 ай бұрын

Writing things off as "allegory" is a great way to have Christianity your own, easy way and not really think about certain things, I'm guessing.

Why didn't you act, said Dr. SS? Apathy and lethargy. No guilt. No shame. While legions of pilgrims were egging me on.

I knew it was time to lose the god belief when I began to experience cognitive dissonance. After years of studying the Bible and discovering the self cancelling contradictions for the first time I had no choice but to stop believing. That was when the internal confusion cleared up.

The only accurate or true meaning of any scripture is the one intended by the author not those misconstrued by the reader 2000 years later.

I left when they supported Trump for president and they still do

*The Enuma Elish would later be the inspiration for the Hebrew scribes who created the text now known as the biblical Book of Genesis.* Prior to the 19th century CE, the Bible was considered the oldest book in the world and its narratives were thought to be completely original. In the mid-19th century CE, however, European museums, as well as academic and religious institutions, sponsored excavations in Mesopotamia to find physical evidence for historical corroboration of the stories in the Bible. ***These excavations found quite the opposite, however, in that, once cuneiform was translated, it was understood that a number of biblical narratives were Mesopotamian in origin.*** *Famous stories such as the Fall of Man and the Great Flood were originally conceived and written down in Sumer,* translated and modified later in Babylon, and reworked by the Assyrians ***before they were used by the Hebrew scribes for the versions which appear in the Bible.*** ***In revising the Mesopotamian creation story for their own ends, the Hebrew scribes tightened the narrative and the focus but retained the concept of the all-powerful deity who brings order from chaos.*** Marduk, in the Enuma Elish, establishes the recognizable order of the world - *just as God does in the Genesis tale* - and human beings are expected to recognize this great gift and honor the deity through service. *"Enuma Elish - The Babylonian Epic of Creation - Full Text - World History Encyclopedia"* *"Sumerian Is the World's Oldest Written Language | ProLingo"* *"Sumerian Civilization: Inventing the Future - World History Encyclopedia"* *"The Myth of Adapa - World History Encyclopedia"* Also discussed by Professor Christine Hayes at Yale University in her 1st lecture of the series on the Hebrew Bible from 8:45 to 14:30 minutes, lecture 3 from 28:30 to 41:35 minutes, lecture 4 from 0:00 up to 21:30 minutes and 24:00 up to 35:30 minutes and lecture 7 from 24:20 to 25:10 minutes. From a Biblical scholar: "Many stories in the ancient world have their origins in other stories and were borrowed and modified from other or earlier peoples. *For instance, many of the stories now preserved in the Bible are* ***modified*** *versions of stories that existed in the cultures and traditions of Israel’s* ***older*** *contemporaries.* Stories about the creation of the universe, a cataclysmic universal flood, digging wells as land markers, the naming of important cultic sites, gods giving laws to their people, and even stories about gods decreeing the possession of land to their people were all part of the cultural and literary matrix of the ancient Near East. *Biblical scribes freely* ***adopted and modified*** *these stories as a means to express their own identity, origins, and customs."* *"Stories from the Bible"* by Dr Steven DiMattei, from his website *"Biblical Contradictions"* ------------------------------------------------------------------ In addition, look up the below articles. *"Yahweh was just an ancient Canaanite god. We have been deceived! - Escaping Christian Fundamentalism"* *"Debunking the Devil - Michael A. Sherlock (Author)"* *"The Greatest Trick Religion Ever Pulled: Convincing Us That Satan Exists | Atheomedy"* *"Zoroastrianism And Persian Mythology: The Foundation Of Belief"* (Scroll to the last section: Zoroastrianism is the Foundation of Western Belief) *"10 Ways The Bible Was Influenced By Other Religions - Listverse"* *"January | 2014 | Atheomedy"* - Where the Hell Did the Idea of Hell Come From? *"Retired bishop explains the reason why the Church invented "Hell" - Ideapod"* Watch *"The Origins of Salvation, Judgement and Hell"* by Derreck Bennett at Atheologica (Sensitive theists should only watch from 7:00 to 17:30 minutes as evangelical Christians are lambasted. He's a former theist and has been studying the scholarship and comparative religions for over 15 years) *"Top Ten Reasons Noah’s Flood is Mythology - The Sensuous Curmudgeon"* *"Forget about Noah's Ark; There Was No Worldwide Flood | Bible Interp"* *"The Search for Noah’s Flood - Biblical Archaeology Society"* *"Eridu Genesis - World History Encyclopedia"* Watch *"How Aron Ra Debunks Noah's Flood"* (8 part series debunking Noah's flood using multiple branches of science) *"The Adam and Eve myth - News24"* *"Before Adam and Eve - Psychology Today"* *"Gilgamesh vs. Noah - Wordpress"* *"Parallelism between “The Hymn to Aten” and Psalm 104 - Project Augustine"* *"Old Testament Tales Were Stolen From Other Cultures - Griffin"* *"Studying the Bible"* - by Dr Steven DiMattei (This particular article from a critical Biblical scholar highlights how the authors of the Hebrew Bible used their *fictional* god as a mouthpiece for their own views and ideologies) *"How do we know that the biblical writers were* ***not*** *writing history?"* -- by Dr Steven DiMattei *"Contradictions in the Bible | Identified verse by verse and explained using the most up-to-date scholarly information about the Bible, its texts, and the men who wrote them"* -- by Dr. Steven DiMattei

@johnsmit5999

11 ай бұрын

There are over 500 legends of a worldwide deluge. There are marine fossils on mountains all around the earth.

@kentonnur

11 ай бұрын

Can’t believe Alisa laughing at the drowning people on the cover of the book. They were real people ,including no doubt ,lots of children and infants. Long suffering God ?

I left Christianity when I decided it was completely false

@derekandfarley

11 ай бұрын

If you “left” Christianity then you were never saved. True Christian’s have the spirit of God within them and when they are saved they KNOW it. Being saved is the first step, obedience follows and the only way we know how God expects us to live is to study the bible for ourselves. If there is something we don’t understand we pray for God to reveal it to us. That is the job of the Holy Spirit.

@sustainablelife1st

11 ай бұрын

@@derekandfarley not true. that's the "no true scotsman" fallacy. If you knew your bible, falling away is addressed.

@christianhayter

11 ай бұрын

Typical. I expected this type of reply "if you were a true Christian you wouldn't have left" There's no such thing as a "true" Christian, there are just people who believe the Jesus story to varying degrees. They may *think* they have the spirit of God, but it's all in the head Many just repeat what their slick pastors & priests have told them, and/ or repeat bible verses....coz they can't think for themselves

@johnsmit5999

11 ай бұрын

What is false about it?

@christianhayter

11 ай бұрын

Everything is false. all the supernatural miracle claims for a start. Its a man made book used to quell rebellious factions after the Jewish Revolt

People should leave Christianity ASAP. It's a pile of BS

@johnsmit5999

11 ай бұрын

What happened to you to conclude that?

@sysprogmanadhoc2785

11 ай бұрын

It doesn't comport to the reality we observe

@2Snakes

11 ай бұрын

@@sysprogmanadhoc2785 Well, a lot of it is spiritual in nature, so I am not sure how you would observe that.

@sysprogmanadhoc2785

11 ай бұрын

@@2Snakes What about all the supernatural claims, walking on water, rising from dead, angels, demons, etc etc. Are you saying these were all just in peoples' heads or is the bible claim that they really saw these things

@2Snakes

11 ай бұрын

@@sysprogmanadhoc2785 The events you listed can neither be proven nor disproven. Remember, just because something hasn't personally happened to you, doesn't mean it has never happened before nor since.

1 Timothy 4:1. Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times, some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of devils.