I know it's an old video, but it's nice to see Roger!

@jnictv1075

3 жыл бұрын

Where in this video is Roger????

@jakegardiner6304

3 жыл бұрын

@@jnictv1075 the end of the video... did you even watch it?

this one i love, because this heater is made in the Netherlands... so two things i love the most... America and the dutch heaters..... great show guys..

Thanks for the information ! I love This old house.

That basement is so neat ... Organized .... Wow...

can't stop watching these videos..

I had one install on my home. It’s really good. But can be expensive to maintenance if it breaks down

Ok I am convinced. I really want my first house to have a Gas Combination Boiler/Water Heater

i m so happy follow ask this old house on youtube

I loved how they picked up the unit by its internal and valuable sensitive parts to hang on the wall.

Use a Navien combi boiler and you can vent it with 2 inch pipe.

I like the old cast iron system.

I first fitted a German made Vaillant combi boiler over 35 years ago here in the UK. It lasted longer than my marriage at 20+ years! I have fitted a few other makes for friends. Ideal, Baxi, Worcester (Bosch). All have lasted with annual servicing to keep them 100%. Last one I fitted was an Ideal Logic 30, cost me about £750 ($1060) and I fitted it in 2 days replacing a 30 year old floor mounted Mexico. Have to say the UK flue and intake systems seem to be far better than that US version. You hardly notice them as they combine the two into one pipe. Different Regs I suppose.

@H4zuZazu

6 жыл бұрын

And the combined flue pipe is more efficient, couse of Heat recover to preheat the combustion Air.

@RossKempOnYourMum01

6 жыл бұрын

What's your gas safe number?

@AMD1

6 жыл бұрын

Grumpy Electrician They're called Concentric vents in North America, and they're commonly used.

@gfriedman99

5 жыл бұрын

AMD1 nobody has them

@grizzlybear2702

5 жыл бұрын

1chish its very sad that in today’s modern world a boiler can be more loving and caring than a wife

wow? I got it,sounds like better than the regular water heater

Im from the UK. i have a Vailant turbomax 242, over 10 years old in my home. im a gas engineer and have barely had to touch my boiler other then to service it. Get your boiler serviced yearly, properly and it should last many years like mine. many new combis are made to break. however there are a few good new boiler makes out there which will last years. for example, the new Baxi range. Make sure your boiler has rigid materials such as copper and brass and my word, what a range of boilers they have. very innovative. i recommend all to have a look. easy to maintain and repair, what can go wrong!

@tommytmt

3 жыл бұрын

How do you feel about Rinnai and/or Naven? I’m in the US and I’m not aware of whether or not we can get Baxi here. I don’t know of any contractors who install them in my area. I’ve heard of them and from what I’ve heard they’re fantastic units, I’m subscribed to a HVAC contractor from the UK.

@juanfernandez1180

3 жыл бұрын

@@tommytmt stay away from navien very fragile units I've installed many the stainless steel heat exchanger is horrible gets clogged very quickly and the acidic byproduct of the unit will eat through the heat exchanger quicker than other units I've installed. Being a plumber myself I just installed a cast iron unit and it's amazing never gives me problems like the wall hung units do and run it at 83 percent efficiency... wall hung units are great on efficiency but what's the point of you'll end up having to change it in 5 -7 years which I've done many so... and that's with maintenance can't imagine how long it'll last without...

4:43 "Ok Ma'am, let me explain the hydra you have sticking out of the side of your house."

@thatoneukrainian649

6 жыл бұрын

And it was on market, this is rinnai q series, and they have good termination kits.

@guzman9011

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah they could of just installed two down facing pipes about 15 inches apart

@harrisonherring9194

5 жыл бұрын

we have Coaxial flues in the UK for all boilers. does the job of exhaust and intake, whilst looking so much cleaner on the wall.... those two pipes are so ugly... or why not just move them apart, with a flat vent???

@squidproquo2241

4 жыл бұрын

OK Idiot let's hear what your problem is.

@squidproquo2241

4 жыл бұрын

@@harrisonherring9194 _ Or, why focus on the looks of the pipes instead of their efficiency? This mentality that focuses on how pipes looks like instead of their function is uglier than the pipes ... Even when it comes from a social class focused Britishit

I'd like to see a video of years later and see just how happy this lady is with this thing. Don't ask somebody that's just put one of these in how they like it asked somebody that's had one for a while. This thing is very low water capacity I can imagine this thing having some amount of thermal shock when it sucks that nice cold water back from the system.

@OMGWTFLOLSMH

Жыл бұрын

They've been using these units all over Europe for decades. Americans are so set in their ways and resistant to change. They sized the unit for her hot water requirements and the size of her house. Not sure what you mean by "very low water capacity". I bet you're a climate change denier and anti-EV too.

@larrycurrier290

Жыл бұрын

@@OMGWTFLOLSMH as a 40-year plumbing and heating guy I probably know a little bit more about this than you do pal. As far as climate change goes, there was an ice age before there was an automobile And you're into electric vehicles I guess you don't realize where electricity comes from number one and number two the kids that died in mines mining lithium and cobalt for your Tesla. If you don't know anything about the life expectancy of certain heating equipment then you probably shouldn't say anything at all.

@joecliffordson

2 ай бұрын

@@OMGWTFLOLSMHwtf. You could not have just quit at Europeans have enjoyed these for years? Who hurt you so bad you have to jump to conclusions about a little question. Then you go on to use the most divisive terms possible that have no meaning. Tell you what. That attitude does not sell conservation. Good ideas that deliver what the consumer wants sell conservation . What is a climate denier anyway? You mean like those residing at the space station? Get with the program and sell the idea of responsible care for our planet if you want to be conservation minded. It takes a lot more than pointing and saying climate denier. EV denier. Maybe you need a psychiatrist.

Clean install boys! #Nice.

Thanks TOH for posting some of your programming. I really enjoy them. Please don't listen to all of these 15 y/o experts in the comments.

@mnf65

4 жыл бұрын

15+ years of experience not age. I would never vent that close to a window. Code is bare minimum, always try to exceed code.

When I install condensing gas appliances, I will put the air intake and exhaust as far apart as possible. It made me cringe to see them putting the two side by side as that increases the chance of the air intake being subject to frost closure during extremely cold weather, when some of the moist exhaust is re-ingested and creates a hoar frost accumulation in the air intake. When the air intake is partly or entirely blocked by frost or any foreign material, a sensitive air-pressure safety switch will prevent the appliance from firing. The region they're installing in might make this less likely, but I'm in Calgary, Alberta so we do get some very cold spells during winter where this is a factor. If I am installing multiple condensing gas-fired appliances, I will bank all of the intakes together and all of the exhausts together with as much space between them as site conditions allow, though generally 6' is plenty. There is usually a prevailing wind direction, so I'll install the intakes upwind of the exhausts for the same reason. This past winter I had an interesting service call at a clients where his condensing gas furnace was not firing, upon arrival it had a fault code indicating a combustion air problem and I could hear whistling around some of the burner enclosure, so I suspected something blocking the intake. I went outside and found a plastic packaging 'pillow' from an Amazon package that had become lodged in the air intake, that was a new one, random garbage blowing in the wind that plugged the combustion air pipe.

"Can it heat the house and produce domestic hot water at the same time?" thank you for including that question, I have that one too.

@caru3257

4 жыл бұрын

It has priority for hot water.

@autonomy5649

3 жыл бұрын

The internal diverter valve reroutes the water either to space heating or water heating. The space heating water basically starts to cool off during a call for hot water. In the worst case, if someone takes a long shower, you'll have barely any heat for that time. Maybe some day someone will put in a valve that can be partially open and the boiler just modulates up to handle the load.

@M13x13M

2 жыл бұрын

No, you need a combo core with a water tank to do that.

Incredible

would you recommend the water in this system be treated? like a water softener? cast aluminum?

What about having one of these in my diy RV? Have heated floors and hot water, all-in-one?

Do I need an external pump for the heat loop? Of is the internal pump strong enough for 3 zones?

Combi units can definitely appease almost any home. They are able to be installed in a cascade to add more than one unit for higher demand. Plus you can always do domestic and hydronic heat from separate tankless units

@fgcbrooklyn

Жыл бұрын

Do you have a suggestion about the BRAND? I am looking into this but as usual the web is full of junk information and recommendations (secretly sponsored)

@Cody-ye3ye

8 ай бұрын

@@fgcbrooklynnavien is garbage

Once the scale is built up in the heat exchanger efficiency will drop. I like the separate heat exchangers just in case they have to replaced.

@morbo3000

5 жыл бұрын

Descaling by periodically pumping an acid (usually vinegar) through the heat exchangers is recommended if you live in an area with hard water. At 5:25, you can see that there are fittings installed for just that purpose.

I just had a similar unit installed at a family member's home. The company did not install the outdoor temp. sensor. They said it causes too many problems.

I hate my combi boiler because of the annoying cold water intervals whenever I turn off the hot tap and turn it on again. I changed my setup. I still keep my combi boiler for heating the house and basement, but the how water part for the taps I converted into closed zone, and by saying that I mean that I bought tesy bilight combinated 150 liters electric water heater with a copper spiral inside, and I am using termosthat to call the pump into action and water is circulating and the boiler thinks it's heating hot water for the taps when infact it is heating the tank water heater via spiral inside. It's like heat exchanger and it works great, no more cold water intervals and plenty of hot water pressure. I suggest this convert to everyone who hate the hot water fluctuation when the tap is turned on/off rapidly.

@jeanpierre-louis3986

6 жыл бұрын

Hi , I am very interested by your experience could send me some pics or a video. I wanna modify mine too. Thanks! My email: Zeledu1@gmail.com

Can’t wait to have one of these installed in my house

@heslind

3 жыл бұрын

@Kevin Edwards sorry to hear this. How often does yours have issues(

@wileecoyote5749

3 жыл бұрын

DO NOT DO IT

@heslind

3 жыл бұрын

@@wileecoyote5749 haven’t yet but will need to replace current boiler soonish. What do recommend

@simpleagain1

Жыл бұрын

@@wileecoyote5749 W H Y ?

I love my new heating system.... don't mind my pos rusty air conditioner...

as small a combi as this is. There are times when the heat call is still smaller than the combi will produce. So this is a great reason to keep the old tank water heater as a ballast tank with enough warmed water to supply the radiant without short cycling the combi. This seems to happen most often with using radiant heating as opposed to the convectors which usually have a much larger btu heat call. Radiant floor (could be in the wall or ceiling) spread the heat load and will have cooler water flowing than the convectors

@spencerwilton5831

3 жыл бұрын

Steve Pailet a decent combi will modulate down to 2-3kw, sometimes lower. Short cycling shouldn't be too much of an issue on a well planned system.

@garethw001

2 жыл бұрын

By the same principal could you use a traditional, inexpensive electric water tank to 'pre-heat' the water supply for the combi boiler to reduce the amount of gas used? (and fossil fuel burned)

I love cast iron boilers the Combi is very very expensive to repair and service. Blowers cost from 300 to 600 plus labor. Controls cost from 350 to 1,000 Anyone one of those two parts go bad your savings is gone on efficiency. The boilers might last 15 to 20 years vs cast iron 30 to 50 years

@gfriedman99

5 жыл бұрын

B K like everything else nowadays it’s disposable. If it breaks you throw away and buy new

@DW-bo3qw

4 жыл бұрын

You would be lucky to get 15

@hughjazzole2037

6 ай бұрын

what blower?? its baseboard

ATAG, Dutch, re-badged by Rinnai. Quality. But the control system is complex. A pity Intergas, Dutch again, do not sell in the USA.

@mysticpizza02

4 жыл бұрын

Would have liked to have installed an ATAG but it was very expensive settled for an Alpha combi hope it lasts my previous standard boiler hot/cold water tanks lasted 34 years was very inefficient towards the end it was an Ideal mexico.

I bought a lochinvar noc199n. Mine did not come with the black peice yours has underneath. Do I still use the old circulator pump? Also, on the old boiler the out and return pipes were kept separate. The diagram shows a bypass pipe. With the bypass pipe how does the water get forced into boiler and not just circulate cold water?

Yeah, I got a know that boiler over and over again because they are not reliable but that’s with any combination wall boiler, very touchy and expensive to repair. One major repair out of warranty you might’ve just spent up all your savings towards that one repair. But overall, they do save space they are efficient. They are reliable and they’re the way of the future versus big cast-iron boilers. They do make better sense as they’re more on demand. Just expect to replace them a lot sooner than the large cast-iron Boilers.

we have had them in the uk for over 20 years

@onyxe.s.4349

8 жыл бұрын

i don`t like the venting it`s bad

@briancnc

8 жыл бұрын

+ONYX E.S. There has to be a more aesthetic way to vent that, I agree the PVC elbows like that are by no means attractive.

@acardboredbox

8 жыл бұрын

+briancnc being white they look bad, but paint them black or the house color and they'd look fine.

@Sawashi32

8 жыл бұрын

Congrats to you and the UK but these things are junk anyway.

@MKRM27

8 жыл бұрын

+Sawashi32 They aren't junk in the UK; perhaps they're just better quality engineering. As for the venting, I've never seen one like that.

Hack job venting install. Should use the deb4 deburring tool on the pipe before fitting them together and gluing them. Without deburring the end of the pipe, the bevelled end from the cut will push the glue out of the fitting and make for a weak joint.

@frmerrin2

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah right.

Is that thermal backing necessary? I wasn't sure if that was for code, aesthetics, or practicality.

We are at prsent deciding on a combi type boiler ,and enjoyed this very helpful video,i wonder could you explain to us what those other pipe connections units you have had to fit underneath the boiler ,one i assume is a pressure vessel and may be a non return valve,but you have a massive cast iron unit on the gas,hope you did not mind my asking,

@Slowhand871

4 жыл бұрын

There is no cast iron on that unit.

@goudsekaas5673

4 жыл бұрын

From left 2right: - outgoing hot water for heating - outgoing hot water for shower and sinks - incoming gas - incoming cold water - return of the hot water from heating

I’ve got a combi boiler that sits outside. Trouble is mice decided to use it to nest in. There’s no visible gaps but they still got in. It stinks when you open it.

Love this show!

In which areas or states do heated hot water systems? Intergas are the best combiboilers,

Funny, the heater is from dutch manufacturer Atag. We use this type of combi heater for year's.

I would definitely want the outdoor venting pipes on the side of the house--they are a bit unsightly.

@beoutside

2 жыл бұрын

There are much better low profile venting options.

@OMGWTFLOLSMH

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, that was a cheapy install. There are much better solutions.

You can get combi`s with hot water storage.

@jeffreyjohn2037

4 жыл бұрын

You can get a condensing boiler with a indirect water heater.

What’s a great combo brand?

Great technology however when it brakes its expensive old boiler uses lots of gas but hardly ever brakes

@captaingreenhat

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly. With a little extra effort she could have kept her old equipment and still had a hybrid and efficient modern system.

@chooch5728

3 жыл бұрын

Everything is expensive to fix. old or new

@jochimbenschneider1915

Жыл бұрын

Electric boiler is better

Homeowner will probably regret removing that old boiler. Far more dependable.

5:51: Nice to see Kurt Angle staying busy.

New? In the US maybe. Standard boiler setup in the UK since the early 80's though I'm not sure we had instant on demand in a combi until the 90's. Every home should have one if they use gas heating with radiant panels, baseboards or flooring. I'm sure they could connect up to a heat exchange air handler too but that could get expensive to install and we all know that up front costs, in the US, is always considered over running costs.

@knighthvac4876

8 жыл бұрын

+Gravel Trap King Yes new in US less the 10 years , Most are installed wrong here in the U.S. , Customer have the Out door reset removed do to poor heat output. Most homes are under radiated with baseboard, Original boiler were pushing out 180 to 200 degree water. How often are boiler replaced in the UK? Here in U.S. most customers are expecting 20-30 Years. TY

@DuncanCunningham

8 жыл бұрын

Boilers replaced in the UK?, I'm not sure. In the house I grew up in, they replaced them due to technology and efficiency improvements not mechanical failures. My parents replaced the coal boiler in 1982 with a gas version and they replaced it again in 1998 to get a better one that used less gas, nothing wrong with the older one, it just was too inefficient to run compared to the newer models. I'm installing a boiler to heat radiator panels in our home in Utah (to match our UK home setup) they are great at keeping the rooms warmer, I hate the too hot, too cold air handler feeling. I want gentle heat that is cheaper to run. costs a little more to install but better in the long run, and it can easily be attached to solar collectors to heat the water anytime of the year so the boiler has less work to do. As long as its not snowing the typically clear skies in Utah allow solar collectors to pull in lots of free sun heat.

@gfriedman99

5 жыл бұрын

Knight Hvac 20-30 years??? My cast iron American Standard gas boiler is 60 years and still runs great with very little maintenance.

Original 1962 American Standard boiler and Westinghouse burner. Boiler has a coil, no external tank. 60 years old and works fine. So simple a cave man can fix it ;-)

@simpleagain1

Жыл бұрын

Throughout history cavemen have always received an unfair knock

why some contractors put a storage tank beside the wall mount boiler but the demo installation on this video did not do it?

This new tech is really cool but I prefer my old school cast-iron boiler. So much more complication, maintenance, and room for things to inevitably go wrong, all for maybe 15% more efficiency. For my home that would only equate to maybe $200/year saved - I'm sure the maintenance costs are around that for this unit.

@hughjazzole2037

6 ай бұрын

Youre a plumber that makes $$$ pushing those outdated pieces of crap??

Combi boilers are not junk, and are fitted in 90% of British homes, yes, the cheap ones are junk, but fit a good quality German boiler and all will be good, in us , Canada I think viessmann are the most popular and efficient choice

@gfriedman99

5 жыл бұрын

Salim Khan what, no chinese models? I dont want to spend a fortune on this.

USE A PANCAKE TERMINATION! Looks so much better than seperate or concentric IMO

Looking to heat a 2000sq radiant house along with hot water for 2 bathrooms and 1 kitchen. What is a good combination unit? Live in northern MN and will also have a outside wood boiler for the winter. Is it a good idea to have the propane as a backup unit when the owb is in use?

@spencerwilton5831

3 жыл бұрын

Joe Ellestad In the U.K. 2000 sq foot would be considered a generously proportioned family home. Two bathrooms is a stretch for most combis if they are used at the same time- it's possible, but showering performance might be disappointing when the incoming water temperature is low. Although combi boilers have been widely used here for decades, for larger family homes with higher hot water demand a mains pressure hot water cylinder is still preferred. We use one boiler and a three port valve to serve both the cylinder and central heating. It eliminates the need for a separate water heater, allows for a backup (electric element in the cylinder) and means your boiler is in use daily rather than sitting idle for months at a time during summer which helps prevent parts seizing etc. It's also possible to integrate a wood boiler into the system by clever plumbing so you can run on either system or even both at the same time. There are various methods of doing so including the use of buffer tanks or simple manifolds that serve as a central point for both boilers, the heating and hot water circuits and allow for any combination of heat production and consumption.

Don’t get to comfortable holding that expansion tank as you install that boiler. Most vulnerable connection on that boiler!

@macpatel7810

4 жыл бұрын

Lol. I was thinking the same...

Limitation 3. It can't cool your house like a forced air furnace/AC combo. Time to add some mini splits. Should have touched on that I think.

Just installed a 30Kw air-to-water heat pump that runs off my Solar panels and wind turbine. free heat and free electricity. all the electricity I produce that I can NOT use or Store on the battery pack is being sold with. it's perfect for a 523901 Square inch house! alto this is a fare more expensive purchase up front but the entire system will pay it self off in about 10 years.

Let me ask you a question what if you still have the old time boiler combo with the hot water intake would new boilers still work with it and how do the new boilers work compared to the boiler combo with the water intake

Lawd I’d hate to troubleshoot that thing

Seems like a great idea..until it breaks down. Parts take days to weeks. Which is fine if you have backup heat for the house. Inevitably the thing will fail when it’s the middle of the winter. When that happens it’s quicker to replace the whole unit than waiting for parts. Supply houses usually have entire boilers in stock. Not so much for parts. Also when using radiators or base board heat you still need to run the boiler temperature at 180deg. Which reduces the efficiency substantially. These work best for radiant in the floor heat where the water temperature is usually at 130 deg. There are multiple plastic parts, sensors and control boards Also yearly maintenance must be done to keep the heat exchanger from becoming plugged with minerals. I’ve worked on these for decades, you won’t find one in my house.

@Keegeth

2 жыл бұрын

Rinnai and Naviens are very easy to get parts for in RI. Lochinvar and nti are a different story.

@jeffwright5794

2 жыл бұрын

@@KeegethIt recently took a week to get a three way valve for a Navien up state NY in a unit that was less than a year old . Other similar type units I've worked on I've always needed to wait for parts. My comments stand.

@Keegeth

2 жыл бұрын

@@jeffwright5794 that sux. For a 3 way valve for an ncb unit that had a bad 3 way valve I called plumbers supply and they had one on hand. An ncb heat exchanger was leaking combustion gases in the cabinet causing cabinet temp to rise, causing oil to be extracted out if the plastic parts and the pcb board to go bad took 2 days.

@adriansmith7104

2 жыл бұрын

What about the Polaris isn't that brand supposed to outlive you and your next generation. Is not tankless but it works for both.

@jeffwright5794

2 жыл бұрын

@@adriansmith7104 never heard of one up here and don’t have a local supplier for parts either

could you use this in a commercial restaurant

9:08 I take really long showers LOL

In the third year when the computer motherboard craters, how much will it cost to repair the machine to running condition?

Oh goody' so if one small thing in the combi failed you lose both hot water and your heating. I would have left the old setup in place but isolated from the sistem as an emergency backup.

@iandouglas4992

4 жыл бұрын

That would be extremely combersum on the heating side, those systems have to be bled.

what's the average installation price for one of these in California

wow, how do I get you guys out to my house? This would be perfect for my place!!!

Kills me how quick this old house is to punch holes in exterior walls. 😱

@chipdayton1625

3 жыл бұрын

So you want them to vent the boiler into the basement?

@jaredsmith1871

2 жыл бұрын

@@chipdayton1625 Why couldn't they run an intake and exhaust vent up the existing chimney? They make concentric pipe for this purpose. Then you don't penetrate the wall with unsightly and possibly obtrusive venting. The woman moved the units to the wall but now has an unused chimney.

@chipdayton1625

2 жыл бұрын

@@jaredsmith1871 That can be an option sometimes.

We just had one installed and i been so worried that it is close to a window. I see though 12" is enough. Things have changed!!

Would be great if you showed an installation with a combi unit and a new Style forced air handler using a coil. Seems to be the future. Combi Runs the whole house.

@spencerwilton5831

3 жыл бұрын

Living the Spu Life Forced air is not the future. We ditched it in europe forty years ago! Who wants all that noise, drafts, dust blowing around? Underfloor heating is the best option, otherwise ordinary radiators.

@SunSandAndSea

3 жыл бұрын

@@spencerwilton5831 maybe so. But i havent seen one home running that setup in my area. Toronto canada. 99% run gas forced air furnace

@autonomy5649

3 жыл бұрын

@@spencerwilton5831 Seems like these combi units have been getting popular in the US only in the past 10 years or so. We're very much behind, and there's a lot of slap-dash construction over here. Underfloor heating is nice but not if you have to rip up floors and not sure it'd work all that well in a drafty Minnesotan house when it's -30 deg outside.

@fortmcmurtry

Жыл бұрын

@@spencerwilton5831 Only high end homes in north america are designed with infloor heating. 99% use forced air and yes a hydronic air handler is the way to go if you are coming from a traditional furnace

hello i´m from south of brasil, and we used this wather heater a lot of time, we never used a boiler, we used a gás passager. He just work wen you open the shower, when you closed he stop whith a gás.... This way we can saver money!

@bwckplumbingfixtures1864

3 жыл бұрын

I wouldn’t be effective

better than a house fullllllll of ductwork but no A/C

I have Navien ncb 190/080h goes off on thermostat but it keeps running no/off every few minutes

I love how many commenters here know better than Trethewy. Or think they do. #Dunning-Kruger

@kyleholland527

5 жыл бұрын

Dunning Kruger IS the internet. And the White House.

No bbn primer?

Of course in winter you will certainly notice that youre getting enough heat in the house if its 10 -15 minutes thats long enough

all these how to videos are in homes that are freakin ridiculous. So much space to work... where is this paradise?

Wondering what's the company's name that did the work? Can hear his name Barry Cohen?

These combi boilers are expensive and so are the parts (if you can find them). For example, that Rinnai condensate neutralizer kit costs $122 but you could make your own out of PVC and limestone for less than 20 bucks.

@MrPoofydrop

4 жыл бұрын

i know i made one from twizzlers and chopsticks and an old condom inside of a musturd jar

What is part failure rate of each component of each unit with or without a service contract.

@MMKLYH

5 жыл бұрын

Not that common, depending on the type of boiler but most of the parts you get within a few days, combi boilers are one of the best inventions ever honestly would highly recommend getting one if you don’t have too many radiators

Very nice! But will it be Ok in - 40? I've seen the exhaust frozen on condensing units, then pressure switch shuts it down .

@jadakkawi8152

4 жыл бұрын

Your supposed to have a slope on the exhaust which is stated in the code book of your region to have the water go back into the appliance, there is a condensate trap in the appliance then it goes to a drain

@OMGWTFLOLSMH

Жыл бұрын

That can happen on any type of high efficiency unit. It happened last winter on my parent's new natural gas forced air furnace. It's all about the install, which was shabby, in their case.

@thisoldhouse this looks like a wonderful system but you didn't talk about price. how does it cost??

@malachy1847

7 жыл бұрын

Greetimgs from Ireland....They are mainstream over here in Europe so in that regard once sales in North America ramp up, the price will tumble..[.have a unit running off bulk kerosene unit installed in a rental property for the last 10 years ours is a 'Boiler house ' model ..... and apart from annual service zero issues] grantengineering.ie/high-efficiency-heating_products/best-oil-boiler-brand/

@andreyyaromich8277

4 жыл бұрын

10g+ installed

@autonomy5649

3 жыл бұрын

The units aren't very expensive, relatively speaking, but for some reason installing them the labor jumps 3x despite all the propress, premade manifolds, and combi valves that are out there these days. $10K is about what I've heard, for labor only.

Do these types of units exist for oil? Or are they just available for Natural Gas?

@Jessedog11

Жыл бұрын

no only gas- oil exhaust would clog the heat exchangers.

I see hydraulic, air and dirt seprator, but where is the expansion tank? I guess rennai doesn't require it? But hydronic principle does...

@jamesfisher5391

4 жыл бұрын

it's the red thing inside the boiler. You could add another depending on the water content of the heating system. 3:36 you can see him trying to break it off while hanging the boiler. lol

The installation won’t be approve in New York The flue pipe under a window. A foot is not enough.

@hp11208

4 жыл бұрын

I know, NY don't play.

@macpatel7810

4 жыл бұрын

Yep. Same in the UK. 300mm not enough below an opening..

@babysealclub11

4 жыл бұрын

Just make it longer as needed.

Why not use PPR pipeline?

Should have installed an IBC.

What is the brand Combi was that?

Amazed they still don’t work in metric... But why not install a condenser builder that recycles more of the exhaust heat with a pipe-in-pipe flue?

Hi! Could you please tell me what Make and Model you used? I see Rinnai? I'm looking at installing one This Week in my house. (in Ontario, Canada). It is a big old house, probably close to 3000 sqft, so I am curious if current models can handle that? My guy is recommending Navien combo boiler. (not sure what size. I think 240) Thank you for your help!

@thomasmacgowan

8 жыл бұрын

+David Learmonth IBC Boilers are made in Vancouver!

@davidalearmonth

8 жыл бұрын

+Thomas Macgowan Thanks! I installed mine back in February. Ended up going with Viessmann. Works fairly well.

@tombomombodombo

3 жыл бұрын

@@davidalearmonth how come you got it over the navien? My plumber is recommending the navien.

@davidalearmonth

3 жыл бұрын

@@tombomombodombo Viessmann is just a really good name, and I think our previous boiler from the 80s might have been from them. We've been quite happy with it. Although the one change I would make is I would have had the boiler heat a small tank for domestic hot water instead of doing it completely on demand with the combi unit. The on demand domestic hot water is very quick to start, but the problem is due to safety the system still runs for 30 seconds after you turn off the hot water at the tap, which means that if you or an appliance request hot water again in that time suddenly you are getting cold water.

Ahhhhhh, so the combi gas boiler/hot water heater may NOT be able to handle 2.5 bathrooms operating at the same time showering/tub filling) plus, a dishwasher and supply hot water to a full house of baseboard heat.

I can't do both heat and hot water at the same time, not good for Me.

In the uk we have Combi but no intake but a flu.

@spencerwilton5831

3 жыл бұрын

David the flue is coaxial, the intake is the outer pipe, the exhaust is the inner pipe. Both come out of the same four inch hole. Much neater.

Where are you located at . I would like you to come to my house and look at it

Is that expansion tank okay to be horizontal like that?

@macpatel7810

4 жыл бұрын

Perfectly fine.. water in one half and compressed air in the other..

Do we have electric unit? thanks

What happens when you lose power in the winter? No hot water and no heat?

@autonomy5649

3 жыл бұрын

Get a generator and you've got both, assuming you have hydronic heat and not a hardwired forced air handler.

How come you did not use a low profile termination kit on the side of the house for the vents? Something like Rheem Horizontal Vent Termination Kit, or the IPEX Plastic Side Wall Vent Kit, or Trane BayVent?

Are these available for Oil fuel?

@Ryan_D1994

6 жыл бұрын

dcavic6157 yes