i know i hold my pencil wrong, i also grip my pencil really hard so it quickly makes my hand hurt and makes me want to stop writing. i've been holding my pencil like this for as long as i remember and i can't hold my pencil another way. i know how to hold the pencil as the "tripod grip" way but as i try to write like that my handwriting goes sloppy and i change back to the way i always write unconsciously. how can i stop this?

@ziadtariq997

3 жыл бұрын

me too

@PerfectBiscuits

3 жыл бұрын

There's no trick here except to set aside practice time that is specifically focused on maintaining a relaxed grip. During this time, your letter forms can go to hell. As long as you keep your hand relaxed, you've succeeded. After some time spent doing this, the relaxed grip will become more and more comfortable and you'll start to get your control back without having to revert to your painful grip.

@CorinneWoods

3 жыл бұрын

Same! I’m assuming you rest the bottom part of the pen (the part nearest the paper) slanted on to your ring finger? I do the same.

@BeanBeanMcBean3000

3 жыл бұрын

samee, I remember when I was getting taught how to hold a pen when writing, but I couldn't do it right. My friend kept trying to help me, but I just got annoyed for some reason so I kept doing it the wrong way in defience I guess. My teacher got annoyed as well, so told my friend to leave me. I have been writing the wrong way since, and it really shows since my primary school and most of secondary school has always been really messy and all over the place.

@bvoz.7778

3 жыл бұрын

SAME MY HAND IS REALLY SLOPPY LIKE A FISH

I hold my pen really tight and wrongly and that always caused my ring finger cuticle starts to bruise and makes me want to stop writing so thank you for the help

@spicyorange476

3 жыл бұрын

I have the same exact problem on the same finger

@epictubber1383

2 жыл бұрын

Mee too

@Makruts7

2 жыл бұрын

Ive started having this problem last week, and i have always drawn like this for years, but now im a bit concerned, cause drawing makes my hand unconrfortable when i draw again :/ I hope this goes away... btw, have something changed about it for you?

@adityaarora5847

2 жыл бұрын

My ring finger has bruised so much that the bruised part has hardened that I don't feel pain anymore now.

@Makruts7

2 жыл бұрын

@@adityaarora5847 i hope it happens to me as well...in despite of I start to be getting used to a different grip (tripod). Btw, did it take too long for it to harden? Maybe its like starting to play guitar and hardening the tips 😅

Seriously, THANK YOU! I struggled already, and then I had a brain injury, so my hand hurts more and it never feels natural anymore. This helped right away! I am so thankful!

I cant describe really how Im feeling right now. All my life since I remember I have struggled with writing. I started doing cursive, but it was so undecipherable that I switched to "print letter" style so that people could actually understand something, this after a suggestion from a high school teacher. Im a 39 years old family physician. I didnt want my caligraphy to be the typical medical cliché, but it was. Since I have a memory my caligraphy hasnt been that great, and bc of that I always try to write extra slow, specially with regulated medications, so that the prescription is readable, and even with that extra care sometimes people came back because the pharmacist didnt accept the prescription bc they said it was unreadable. It didnt happen all the time, but a few times a month made me feel bad, bc Im working twice, and the patients are wasting their time. I started using the pen as you said in your video. Turns out I was just holding bad the pen. It was tight. Not fluent. It hurt. For the first time in my life when I write my letters are clear, fluent, beautiful. Im almost crying right now. Thanks for this video.

Oh my god i was looking for this since a long time! thank you very much! I even have problems with mouse and keyboard because of this passive tension I have.. I thought it's something to do with angles and grip but now I know what to do. Now I can draw, write, and type without any pain. Thank you again !

i thought it’s just me who has pain from writing,thx god it’s not just me

Such great insight David. Thank you!

I had a problem with my thumb cramping up when I wrote for even a couple of minutes and this video reminded me to just relax my hand, thanks for the vid!

thank you! trying to get back into journaling and this video helped me with my wrist pain. God bless you

This is really helpful :') i get bruises when im holding my pen 'incorrectly' i didnt know it was wrong since i saw my mom holding a pen thats also why my handwriting is ugly-

Thank you for this. I watched your videos in the past and this was a great video to come back to in order for me to freshen up my technique :)

Thurber (the creator of the D'Nealian handwriting system) describes an alternate grip which may help to eliminate the pressure or the squeezing of the writing tool to hold it in place. "The pencil is placed between the index and middle fingers, resting on the web of the hand. It is then grasped with the thumb, index, and middle fingers about an inch from the point. The thumb gently holds the pencil in place against the other two fingers. The hand rests on the heel of the hand and slides on the tips and nails of the fourth and fifth fingers.The pencil is held with about a twenty-five degree slant from the vertical position. This provides a firm structure that doesn't require much fingertip pressure to hold the writing instrument."

@iammyowncommunity5698

Жыл бұрын

that's what iI do lol

@aoitetsu2947

6 ай бұрын

thank you so much for this!

@TheBearDrewww

5 ай бұрын

Thank you. Your suggestion was far more helpful than the video.

@belphegor_dev

5 күн бұрын

It's a terrible suggestion. The optimal angle for writing is 45 deg, not 25. ​@@TheBearDrewww

Thanks for this i have written with basically all my fingers (except my pinkey) gripping the pen/pencil for most of my life. And everytime I wrote for long periods of times my hand and fingers would always be sore afterwards. Now i am going to make a change and finally make it easier on myself whenever i have to write anything down.

Awesome video with spectacular tips and tricks

Thank you! I am interested in improving my handwriting and your channel is a great help.

I've always held my pen tightly and i've always known it. But the way I held it always made it so hard to keep it light. Thank you so much. Literally just changing to this grip has completely changed how tiring writing is. I actually feel like I can lessen my grip, even if it'll take some practice still to do unconsciously.

I've been looking for a video how to hold a pencil while writing without hurting my hand. This was after I did an evening course where I was required to write an essay with my hand word for word what my tutor said. After practicing with this new technique (as you demonstrated in this video) I have new handwriting, but I'm sure I'll get used to it. At least I didn't feel any pain while writing so I know it's working 🙂

Omg tysm! I'm ten and since its online classes alot I have to write for hours together so this helped alot❤️

@erex9875

3 жыл бұрын

Good to learn it early

@brunokocinas1635

3 жыл бұрын

@@erex9875 true, im very jealous. I dont know if ill be able to change the way I hold it now... :(

@iiiam.kayla0548

2 жыл бұрын

I'm 11 and same

@asoupling4076

2 жыл бұрын

What does your age have to do with anything?

This was extremely helpful. Thanks for the great uploads

This is exactly what I need. Thank you

Such great news. Keep it up, David.

I'm Brazilian and I watch several planner channels. It always intrigues me a lot the way most of the people of these channels ( basicaly Americans and Canadians) hold the pen. It is very different from how we are taught here in Brazil. I can't exactly describe how they do it, but the thumb goes over the index finger. I've tried writing that way and besides being very difficult, it hurts my whole hand. Sincerely it baffles me why ensinar crianças a escreverem dessa forma.

Thank you. Been using wrong pen Grip all this time. Even disliked writing because my arm and hand became so painful always when writing..believe this will help me😍

Thank you dude for this simple tip now my writing is so beautiful

Thanks for the ultimate tip.

Something that we should do here is teach kids how to write neatly. My father and uncle were taught how to do it in their homeland and I'm over here struggling on every letter so that it looks nice.

I have to say, I love your Parker pen! So slim and aerodynamic!

This actually helped because my problem was the right grip. My index finger DIP joint was hyperextended and I hadn't noticed it till now.

thank you so much, i used to hold my pen on my ring finger, and it even created a bruise because I really forced the ink out of it. This really helped because today I had a huge test and thankfully my finger didnt hurt as bad.

This is the most useful handwriting video I’ve seen. Even though it seems obvious, I never really thought about it as the main issue. Thanks!

Thanks, brother. Very helpful video for applying in own life.

Shoulder injury has be concerned so I decided now would be a good time to learn how to write well my my non-dominant hand (right). My hand would always hurt after 15 minutes of practice though and while the writing was pretty decent looking for only using my right for only a few days I always had to go at it slowly. With the tripod grip you've shown me(which is kind of different from the way I wrote with my left and how I initially tried to write with my right. No wonder I got writer's callus at a young age, still have it actually) it become much more comfortable to deal with. Thank you

@PerfectBiscuits

3 жыл бұрын

Great to hear!

Thank you for this! I knew that I've always held a pen correctly, so I didn't know why writing fatigues and hurts my hand so much! I am tense in general, so it makes sense that this was my problem, but I never noticed it before, so thank you! I tried writing with a relaxed hand and I noticed that when my hand would tense up again, my shoulder got tense too. I will be working on this now.

excellent tutorial

Thanks guy ! This helped.

The try pod grip helped my handwriting alot

Thanks a lot,this helps me very much. Keep rocking....👍

Fantastic hands!

thx i was holding my pen and pencil like a mass and now i understood how to hold it and write with it and now i dont have any pain and my letters are way better thx for teaching me

It has to do with the fact that we have always been used to writing with a pencil. Back in the day, when writing with a number two pencil, you had to really dig in for the writing to be coherent.

Thankyou. You can also try just applying the amount of pressure weight the writing utensil weighs. I found this to be better for me while holding a pickelball paddle.

my parents stopped complaining

@Pulak_Plays

3 жыл бұрын

why

@GaneshMKarhale

3 жыл бұрын

@@Pulak_Plays it means that his parents write his homework

@Pulak_Plays

3 жыл бұрын

@@GaneshMKarhale bruh😂😂

@_BikashEditZ_

3 жыл бұрын

My handwriting and English language is too much good I love it 😍😍😙😙

My pencil grip is very weird and I definitely have the hard grip problem. In my case it causes the first knuckle of my thumb to bend inwards, concave. It looks very unnatural, puts so much pressure on the knuckle, and hurts after just a couple paragraphs. It's been so frustrating trying to re-learn my grip, especially since I'm an artist and use the same grip for all my drawing coordination. I'm going to start trying practice exercises to completely relearn it. Up until now I thought it was impossible to fix.

I’m glad you mentioned about the shakiness. I thought it was just me :) I’m trying to adjust my grip and sometimes it feels like a pen just flies off the page lol I have to really concentrate on relaxation… I realize a big part of my problem in my grip has been holding it too tight since I was a little kid (which is an extremely long time ago). All through grade school and university I always had a big bump on the first knuckle of my middle finger from the pressure applied there. Interestingly, the stress from the grip translates itself to my wrist which is where I get my pain. Thanks, not only for the tips, but being an understanding “teacher“, readily recognizing what are the challenges, and how to overcome them.

@PerfectBiscuits

3 жыл бұрын

You're welcome! Thanks for watching and leaving your thoughts.

@dhruvansh5602

3 жыл бұрын

Omg same issue with me !! 😨😨 Either I write with stress or pen flies on paper

Thank you!

Thanks for this video❤❤

THANK YOU SO SO MUCH. I was struggling so hard to write lately and my hand was shaking due to the pain in my wrist. I hold the pen the same way I do when I draw, so my pinky scrapes against the paper and it hurts after a while. doesn't help that when I'm signing documents or filling out forms, there's the additional pressure to not make a mistake and then the shaking gets worse because the nervousness makes me grip even harder! It's so frustrating! I think these days, because we type more than we write, handwriting issues have becomes less of an issue. It's not untill I'm forced to write whole paragraphs of text by hand that I notice this is a big problem and I really need to fix it or else I literally can't write anything longer than a sentence or two by hand. After I tried the "textbook posture" my pinky no longer scrapes against the paper and it felt really weird at first, but the pain is reduced by like a whole 3/4 and I was able to write like 3 pages by hand without shaking or jittering. I could barely believe it. ten minutes and I was able to get used to the new pen-holding posture. This is such a life-saver! I thought I was just going to have to deal with wrist pain and shaking my whole life! I'll continue to practice this posture until my hand automatically goes to it when I pick up a pen. When I'm not deliberately using the tripod posture, I revert back to my habitual posture. You have no idea how big of a difference this made for me. I was filling out i9 and handwriting so much text a few days ago due to new job and I was so close to tears because the shaking and pain keeps coming back so fast. It was exhausting!! This is probably something a lot of people experience but don't openly talk about so I'm so glad you made this video and shared it.

I leave a comment here, so in future i would remember that i learn neat writing from this channel

Thank you so much

Thank you, very very much

Great video. I am a freshman in college and I'm currently in the middle of a math final. Thank you

@x3luh_mon

Жыл бұрын

college is a scam

@Eternal_Tech

Жыл бұрын

@@x3luh_mon It all depends on what your goals are. If you want to have a career that requires a college education, such as being a teacher, physician, or engineer, then college is not a scam. However, if you have no clear career path in mind, then just majoring in the liberal arts may prove to be not financially beneficial.

Thank you so much!

Im watching this video as im experiencing this paint. Bro thanks for the video.

I hold it like the tripod way but stick the pencil between the pointer and middle finger but I tend to hold it tightly.

Ive gripped my writing utensils too hard since i was a kid. I would ALWAYS break my crayons and it was so frustrating. I'm a writer now at 26yo who adores handwriting but the pain i experience is ridiculous. Im watching this video to help undo that habit. Thanks for teaching us!

Thank you sir 👍🙂

Thank You.

Thank you very much

Hello. Hey dude ! Thanks a lot. Now I can write my homeworks and other works very smoothly. Earlier it used to start paining only from 5 mins of writing and now after mere 40 mins or more. I thought this problem only persisted with me, but thanks for relaxing me. The tight writing always proved to be a curse. You also explained very nicely. Thanks a lot again ! I'm very happy now

Thank you sir☺️ I actually almost forgot how to write after the quarantine 🙄 And your video is of great help😘

anyone know if there are finger gloves for a small callus on the finger from excessive writing?

Bro the resting part; rest your pen with your middle finger and don't stress fore finger and the middle finger, is the best study of writing. I found my technique just to practice more.

I needed this because i have been using the pencile and pen wrong and it starts to slowly scrape off the skin from my nails.

it tried to write one page with this method ,what actually is 1.set your mind to your content rather than writings and fonts 2. get medium thickness pen with rubber grip 3.make your hand totally dry for more natural friction 4.use some techniques like shown in vid. before this i get pain in my shoulder very very quick like after 2,3 lines and after, i write whole paper with barely any pain ,writings look average but that writing is your real writing ,worked for me

I write with a really intense grip and when I use a relaxed grip my writing is a lot lighter is there a way to have a relaxed grip and still write letters with a darker shade?

@PerfectBiscuits

3 жыл бұрын

You're going to need to grip a little tighter to write darker, but that doesn't mean you need to squeeze the pen. Start practicing writing at the shade you want, but trying to use the lightest grip you can to apply that shade.

@henryyu4694

2 жыл бұрын

there is a difference between the finger muscles gripping the pen and the wrist muscles used to push the pen down on the paper. I don't have pain when I write and I like bold font handwriting. So grip the pen just enough with your fingers but keep it relaxed. Now keep this pen grip forever. What you need to test out now is how much downward force your wrist needs to apply to the paper. Don't overexert, just right is enough and perfect.

thank you

A Parker Jotter, a man of culture I see! Just got mine in the mail today :) so happy that I searched for a tutorial to learn how to better grip such a tapered-bodied yet beautifully crafted steel pen, and voilà, I stumbled upon this one~

Iv been holding My pencil with my middle ,ring and thumb finger for as long as I can remember . I tried to change it but ended up have pain . Well I want to change it now since I know it's not right . Thanks for the video

As a lefty under-writer, I find that the classic tripod grip with the elongated/relaxed finger puts my pen at a terrible angle. It digs the point right into the paper. My adaptation has always been a more curled grip with the pen resting on the ring finger. Might not work for everyone but it works for me!

@PerfectBiscuits

4 жыл бұрын

As long as it works and it doesn't hurt, you're good!

@laurenamber3709

4 жыл бұрын

I do that too! However, i grip wayy too tight and i get pain within 5 minutes of writing!!!! AND exams are soon... HELP!!

@LeilaAMMartin

4 жыл бұрын

@@laurenamber3709 I've had a LOT of pain in my index finger lately because I've been holding every muscle tighter because everything is stressful. It sucks. I'm trying to relax but it's not easy!

@caughtcrjfever2107

3 жыл бұрын

I'm left handed too. And the grip which he described is wonderful.

Thank you I always get worried people may judge me because of my writing.

My problem isn't really my hand hurting, it's my finger. The way I hold my pen to draw is similar to the one you showed except the pen is resting on the middle part of my middle finger. Or to be more specific, right beneath the distal phalanges and at the top of the middle phalanges. I unconsciously press too hard sometimes and my skin get's sore and occasionally bruised. My skin isn't very tough and I have to press the pen down hard to get the right density for my sketches(I draw digitally). I've tried other ways of sketching and so far I haven't found any that I like and don't get frustrated with.

@Eternal_Tech

Жыл бұрын

Many drawing tablets come with software to change the pressure required when using the digital pen. For example, my XP-PEN tablet has a setting in its software called, "Hardness." I can move the slider in several graduations between "Soft" and "Hard." If your drawing tablet has such an option, I recommend sliding it towards "Soft," so less pressure will be required.

@cweepydragon761

Жыл бұрын

@@IdontknooooowO_O I've managed to get my hand to be comfortable in a different position where it's isn't resting on my finger, I usually switch in between these two. I don't write as much as I draw so my new position might not be the greatest for writing. Basically I just use the tips of my thumb, pointer and middle finger to hold the pencil. It took a while to get use to but it has helped me greatly.

Been wanting to know if I'm holding my pen right.

Usually a NEW PEN ,you know, starts on rough so i put more pressure, also grip it more tightly, to write better...but overtime it becomes smooth and i continue to write that way...

i was writing for ever 6 hours yesterday in preperation for my exams and ive had pain ever since last night. it was a struggle to write an exam today with a sore arm

Thanks

My dad writes with the tripod grip. eventually the area where the pen rests (on the middle finger) swelled. And it never healed. So I don't know if it's really the right way but as he said its all about putting little pressure.

Bro I cannot believe im 15 and searching for tutorials five days before school starts becuase LAST YEAR my hand suffered

This should be thought on schools

As a retired high school teacher it does make a difference how you hold a writing utensil. Incorrectly held tools lead to illegible penmanship and hand fatigue. In the meantime the rest of the class is waiting for these folks to finish taking notes. The entire class is slowed down. Seems there’s a lot for elementary schools to get right and stop not bothering.

I always having trouble holding the pencil it’s making my fingers loose and a SPEACIL THANK YOU.😊

Thanks brother

I've always held the tripod abnormally. My middle finger doesn't rest under the pen. Instead it sort of presses against the side of the pen. It's weird, but I'm gonna try the "right" way and see if it benefits me or not. My writing has always been sloppy and I'd like to improve. Thanks for this vid!

@jvsh7

2 жыл бұрын

I hold it the exact same way, it feels like I need something to press against the pen for my writing to be normal otherwise I can’t write properly, so I can’t do the tripod grip properly

@sirrahatthegreat8485

2 жыл бұрын

I do the same my fingers bend as well

This really help bc Im going in highschool n my penmanship was very bad now I'm getting better at it 😉

@PerfectBiscuits

3 жыл бұрын

Good to hear, best of luck in high school!

@othneilcampbell5517

3 жыл бұрын

@@PerfectBiscuits thank u

Tysm

The tripod grip invites a tighter grip. A fat pen and easier grip with the thumb wrapped around the rubber grip helps ease pain when writing

Thanks i have a lot of homework. Remind me next year thanks

@PerfectBiscuits

2 жыл бұрын

You might not get a next year.

@theillusionist9506

2 жыл бұрын

@@PerfectBiscuits why

when i write i hold my pen/pencil near the tip, and after around 10 minutes i have an intense pain in my thumb. thank you for this.

It's not much of a solution but you made me more closer to the solution for this annoying problem, I thank you for this awesome effort and guidance, I hope I can be able to return favour to you sometime.

@PerfectBiscuits

3 жыл бұрын

You’re right I don’t have a solution for this, except to spend a lot of time unlearning a bad habit. If I gave you a trick, it would work for a few minutes and then you’d go back to gripping the pen too tightly.

I hold the pen using my long middle finger, It is super clean and accurate yet I get a left tilt due to my figure length, and also slower speed. So I'm trying other grips

Same for me

In that thumbnail, you're holding using the D'nealian grasp and I thought for sure you were gonna punk me. XD Great vid, Dave!

@PerfectBiscuits

4 жыл бұрын

Haha just changed the thumbnail!

I'm sore when I try it and I think I'll use the way I usually use it because it's more comfortable haha

Mine is sweaty palm.. as the sweats starts coming the grip between hand n pen lessens so inorder to get better hold of pen I need to tighten my grip n thus my hand starts to Hut..

Yo dude I've got the exact same black parker pen right here, ready to write with

The way that I hold my pencil is I put my thumb over my pointer finger and gripping tight , I’ve been holding it like that ever since I was old enough to write and my mom said that my writing is bad . I’ve been trying to write with the proper way but since I grip my pencil tight it’s hard to adjust and my writings are always squiggly .

@AhmadMohamed-gp7vg

Жыл бұрын

I have the same problem, did you mange to get your pen grip better?

I’m used to write with the tripod method since I started in 1st grade. But after writing over 1 page my hand still hurts and I can’t write anymore:( Should i use one of the other methods? And how can I change method when I’ve used it since I learned to write?

Try using a fountain pen with a wide section

I had a very firm hrip on my pen before, and i know it is ineffective because after just 15 minutes i get tired with writing easily. When i was in 6th grade i searched what is the proper pen hold and they said the tripod method, when i first tried it my writing looks like a wreck. But now i am getting used to it (grade 11) but my main concern is that my thumb pressed down to the tip of my pointer which hurts like hell. How do i resolve this?

My problem is when I write, my hands get a bit sweaty, so the pen becomes a bit slippy as well. With this grip the pen is slipping a bit, so I keep having to fix it.

I usually draw with my pen/pencil between my middle and ring finger then writing with the tripod. But mostly varies for me