Hey Guys, This one was a massive creative experiment. I'm keen to know what you thought of it, and if there's anything I can do to refine this new style a bit more. Also, feel free to join my discord where we talk about films, games, and creative writing. If you're a writer yourself you'll find a nice little community geared towards you there. Here's the link: discord.com/invite/aJpYPQX But thanks for watching, I'm going to crack on with my next video. If you paid attention to this one you'll know exactly what my next upload will be on. - Henry

@noamont9936

3 жыл бұрын

YES

@SilverSpireZ

3 жыл бұрын

I’ve been anxiously awaiting this video!

@user-fx2bc6be3m

3 жыл бұрын

I love it

@Poptart21000

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, how about you stop stealing from nakeyjakey?

@abdulazizmerdad4093

3 жыл бұрын

Did u ever think of doing a vid on Spider-Man 3 bcz I feel like the film didn’t fail bcz of 3 villains bcz Batman returns had 3 villains and it was good so can u do a video on the real reason it failed

If my coworker talked to me about being socially awkward and then asked if I've ever been in love, I would hardcore think they were totally into me.

@ViolentOrchid

3 жыл бұрын

Also, let me fix that line: "It so hard, I can't make friends, my coworkers find me annoying... I can't even find someone to, you know, complain to about it over dinner. Have you ever been in love?"

@laurene988

3 жыл бұрын

Honestly same

@phearamax4146

3 жыл бұрын

@@ViolentOrchid would have made so much more sense if it was like: B- have you ever been in love? D- where’d that come from? B- oh, I’m just thinking about things I’d like to do someday... someday when I’m more like you and less like me.

@KlutzyNinjaKitty

3 жыл бұрын

Adding on to this a little, maybe Barb could say something like, “In Highschool, I tried asking my crush out on a date. But I was so nervous I got sick/panicked right in front of them and they never talked to me again...”(pause while the actress looks sad.) “Have you ever been in love?” Idk, something like that.

@kirbyfazendoummoonwalk9214

3 жыл бұрын

When i heard that Line i genuily thought Barbara was Liking Diana or Something like this

Amateur bad writer:"Have you ever been in love?" Legendary bad writer: "Anyway hows your sex life?"

@derekhofstetler3998

3 жыл бұрын

Why does everyone looks like they are forcefully smiling while they actually want to go to the loo.

@psmith2403

3 жыл бұрын

@@Simo-un2zu "You are my best costumer"

@tru8637

3 жыл бұрын

GODLIKE bad writer: "gotsum dicc?"

@jonathandavis8051

3 жыл бұрын

Virgin armateur vs chad amateur

@zwatkat4643

3 жыл бұрын

@@psmith2403 customer*

I literally laughed in theaters when she said "I want to be an apex peedator" bc I thought it was a joke. And then she turned into a cat, and I realized I was the joke all along.

@ReddFoxx1562

9 ай бұрын

in theaters huh

@TheDennys21

8 ай бұрын

Yeah you're the joke because you paid to watch this trash, bud don't feel bad, almost all movies these days are trash.

@Werewolf.with.Internet.Access

7 ай бұрын

What’s worse is she’s a cheetah, the only cat in Africa who gets absolutely *bodied* by everyone that isn’t an antelope

@wiggard

7 ай бұрын

​@@ReddFoxx1562 yeah?

@ReddFoxx1562

7 ай бұрын

@@wiggard when was this in theaters

If you realize that the protagonist is using the body of her love interest for her own sexual and romantic desires without his consent, this turns from a superhero movie to a dark bleak horror real quick.

@adamh8876

4 ай бұрын

The body of a stranger, not her love interest.

@Daniel-rp7nb

3 ай бұрын

Indeed. They talk about what’s happening in the text of the movie and yet still no-one thought to say “no, Diana wouldn’t even contemplate doing something so disgusting” - not for 1 minute. Maybe if he shows up looking like Chris Pine, and then later they both discover he’s occupying the “space” of a real person, and they confront that price as being too high to pay for their continued love, and that spurs her decision to reject the wish, then it works (conjuring him entirely from thin air doesn’t satisfy the monkey’s paw requirement of the wishes - you have to lose something too).

"It's true, I don't get out much socially. " "What - not even a boyfriend?" There. Dialogue fixed.

@underfirebutok

3 жыл бұрын

That's so smooth actually holy smokes.

@theboredman1450

3 жыл бұрын

Damn that’s good

@pittland44

3 жыл бұрын

Like most great ideas simple and to the point.

@anamariaramirez9341

3 жыл бұрын

That's so good! 10/10!

@tidyheidi9143

3 жыл бұрын

Yep, that’s exactly how it would go. Writing realistic dialogue is as easy as knowing how people hound you about things they care about that others might not.

The message that it's okay to have a love affair with a stranger's unconscious body is a phenomenally poor writing choice

@pittland44

3 жыл бұрын

Where were the metoo people on that one?

@110000116699

3 жыл бұрын

@@pittland44 metoo isn't about sexual assaults in a movie scene it's about powerful Hollywood executives abusing there power over women a scene in a movie isnt Harvey Weinstein that said that scene was fucking offensive

@pittland44

3 жыл бұрын

@@110000116699 Hmm, well I actually appreciate your candor. I'm not sure if I 100% agree with you, but you are actually making a well reasoned, valid point about metoo. Which is not something that happens very often. My main gripe with the metoo stuff is Hollywood latching on to it for wokemon points while tinseltown has always been a breeder reactor for such behavior. Anyways, that's my two cents, cheers and God bless. 😁

@jacobkilborn1738

3 жыл бұрын

See "Meet Joe Black" for a tasteful version.

@Urza26

3 жыл бұрын

That's true. But I find it even more horrifying to have your soul displaced. I mean the soul leaving the body for that long is sort of like temporary death. It's unintentional horror.

Just wanna be clear that the old idiom of no one can love you if you don't love yourself is a harmful message too. A lot of people struggle with self love but the support and care of those around them is a great help. No one should have to conquer their depression or anxiety etc by themselves just to show they're worthy of love.

@Dragorosso95

Жыл бұрын

THANK YOU

@_Sloppyham

Жыл бұрын

The advice might work and apply to some people, it’s just that no advice is universal

@justabearbrowsingyoutube4968

Жыл бұрын

Actually that message helped greatly throughout my life. It means to me that one cannot accept the fact others love them, if they don't have a proper concept of love for themselves. You may think it's harmful, but it is fact that no matter how much others love and care for you, you will never accept or appreciate... That is if your concept of love is negative when directed towards yourself or in general.

@Dr.LightMarker5613

11 ай бұрын

That sounds like an excuse. If you aren't comfortable with who and what you are, how can you live a fulfilling life?

@artyb27

11 ай бұрын

​​​​@@Dr.LightMarker5613"being loved" and "living a fulfilling life" are not the same thing. The point being made is that even people with crippling self-loathing can and often are loved, it just makes it _more difficult_ for people to love them. I don't understand why we as a society collectively agreed that telling people who already hate themselves that "no-one else loves you and they won't until you love yourself" is a good idea, rather than potential sui-fuel.

One of the weirdest things about this complete mess of a movie- and it is not the worst, just one that stood out to me by showing how little knowledge of, well, anything went into this movie- is how Barbara looks like the definite 80’s beauty. From the very voluminous blonde hair, to her body type and even attire, she is the exact kind of woman that the 80’s would idolize. Even the glasses are of the sexier kind, framing her light eyes perfectly. This becomes painfully obvious when you see her in typical 80’s training gear, she looks like she stepped from “Let’s Get Physical”. I mean, this would go even for today’s standards but in the 80’s, Barbara would be the ultimate in terms of mainstream aesthetics. I get that this is a trope, and it is always very bad, but the way it was handled here was perhaps even worse as they cast an actor who IS the impersonation of what the decade in question- the decade that’s in the title!- was known for. If anything, Diana would be the “ugly duckling” of the two. She is obviously gorgeous but the 80’s would not have elected her as “the beautiful one” of the two. And this could have been used to criticize the decade’s notions. If they wanted Barbara to be a victim, this would have been much better achieved by leaning into the way the decade fetishized women like her. She’s an academic, have her suffer by not being taken seriously by professors and peers. Not ignored or hated just cuz, but dismissed precisely because she is “the Barbie”. This could work, it’d be very relevant in the 80’s and could still be very relevant for our time.

@strawberrylime33

10 ай бұрын

Well, you're thinking more than most of the people who worked on this film; what u said kinda makes sense. But WW1984 has a patchwork and nonsensical script where people forgot to think.

@Nocturnalux

10 ай бұрын

@@strawberrylime33 It's amazing how absolutely nothing, at all, works in this movie. It's almost like effort was put into making sure NOTHING worked.

@notinthemoodfornames8033

8 ай бұрын

I think historians specializing in public history would do this type of analysis for movies where they evaluate if the costumes and hair and accents and such are properly reflective of the time and place the story is set in, and when I took my ph class the professor told me that those historians (who watching historical movies that they know the history of) usually get extremely annoyed by how inaccurate things are, while ordinary people can't see anything at all and might even enjoy the movie. I feel like your observation is leaning into that area (even though 80s really wasn't that far away), but still, a valid critique.

@Nocturnalux

8 ай бұрын

@@notinthemoodfornames8033 I mean, it doesn’t take an historian or even an expert of any kind, in this case.

@EhrenLoudermilk

7 ай бұрын

*Brabra

"I forgot my son is a human being." We all do at some point.

@TheCloserLook

3 жыл бұрын

Classic villain mistake.

@Cinetasticc

3 жыл бұрын

Screenwriter was a fan of Eraserhead

@jubbalubby

3 жыл бұрын

Happens to the best of us to be quite honest with you

@luis.aacjara

3 жыл бұрын

We all make mistakes in the heart of passion, Jimbo

@marshmallowvampire8503

3 жыл бұрын

... *Eustace* .....

“She becomes instantly more attractive just by taking off her glasses” Oh god not again...

@JustaGuy_Gaming

3 жыл бұрын

@@restfulori212 You'll just have to settle with putting glasses on instantly makes you smarter.

@klystron2010

3 жыл бұрын

Works for me. The blurriness hides some of the ugliness when I look in the mirror.

@pijamassauro

3 жыл бұрын

Thank god you guys don’t seem to get it...

@yuukokagami

3 жыл бұрын

@@pijamassauro I get it. Wish it didn't happen to being with tho... :(

@allurajane4979

3 жыл бұрын

what is sad is that the first movie kinda subverts this trope. When Diana gets some new glasses to disguise herself ig idk the woman that dressed her said that they looked really good on her rather than making her look ugly

I also feel like it should be mentioned that Diana has a really good life and tons of advantages like being an immortal super hero or whatever her deal is- so her saying “life is beautiful so you should give up your wish” rings very hollow. Yeah she has to give up a loved one, but this is a death she should have already come to terms with years ago, now having even more closure after seeing him again and getting to say goodbye again. Shouldn’t it be the Cheetah lady saying this line, at least?

@PhelesDragon

5 ай бұрын

I haven't thought about this movie enough to come to any sort of depthful conclusions about it, but this is a *damn* good point.

@falconeshield

4 ай бұрын

​@PhelesDragon I would've had Steve tell Diana straight forward that he didn't belong in our world as a frozen man from the 40s. He didn't live the 40 year gap between WW2 and 84, so he didn't grow with the changing world like Diana did. I also would've had Steve tell Diana that he could feel he was in an incubator while he was in his new magic body (no grape issue, the body Steve gets has 24 hours to become permanent) because the wish got his soul out of a baby currently in a coma because of Diana's selfish wish. Some weight in Diana's wish and a chance for her and Steve to meet again beyond the afterlife. Like this, Diana either has an option to move on with Cheetah (her being a good guy for a change) or wait for Steve to grow and meet him again. As an immortal herself it ain't creepy. Better than her graping an unconscious man until she tires of Steve's face in weeks.

@chimominino5083

4 ай бұрын

It's almost as hollow as Gal Gadot getting all her celebrity friends to sing "Imagine" from their mansions during a pandemic. Not sure why this came to mind 🤔

@PhelesDragon

4 ай бұрын

@@chimominino5083 because as the rest of the world was suffering from their cramped apartments, the top 1% of the top 1% decided we were all in the exact same boat and wanted to share their struggles.

@itap8880

3 ай бұрын

I think the scene would be so much easier to do well without the whole "people see the truth". Just use the "one has to speak true" power and use it on whatever the wish-granting force inside Max is. Unless of course it cannot work due to some rules established in another movie.

1:18:00 To say “this is the kind of thing that you would expect to see written by like a fifteen year old” is an insult to fifteen year writers

@DanishMicheal

4 ай бұрын

Although being a year younger, truly. My friends are absolutely better than this, and honestly I can't believe he would defame and (opposite of libel) us teens. Atleast 'Super Kitty Adventures' (original fiction my friend made, not online though. I should really tell her to do that) has passion and soul put into it.

Me, a 15 year old writing fanfiction: yeah that's fair

@thenbhdenthusiast3699

3 жыл бұрын

@@Yigash wtf

@Mica_T

3 жыл бұрын

Ngl, I've seen fanfiction better written than this movie

@SuperSteve180

3 жыл бұрын

Awww come on, your fanfiction can't be THIS bad.

@badguybob1174

3 жыл бұрын

I wasn't saying fanfic is as bad as this garbage. I'm saying the tropes he mentions are for the most part common in fanfic.

@monkii5258

3 жыл бұрын

Majority of fan fiction is better than this pile of garbo - this writing is something you make up after drinking a few too many and after seeing 90s comic book movies

"the most toxic moral ever" 13 reasons why peeking around the corner soflty whispering " hey psst if you kill yourself you get everything you ever wanted"

@donnamitsuki281

3 жыл бұрын

That show just... Sucks Why did it got four seasons again

@ShatteredGlass916

3 жыл бұрын

@@donnamitsuki281 because one suicide is not generate enough profit i guess lol

@joshgroban5291

3 жыл бұрын

@@donnamitsuki281 13 reasons why 13rw lasted that long

@Literally-God

3 жыл бұрын

It's the most morally bankrupt thing I've ever seen. Like the demographic it is for should NOT be watching it. Although if you're not a part of that demographic it's hilariously bad.

@horsenuggets1018

3 жыл бұрын

@@joshgroban5291 13 reasons why there are 13 reasons why 13rw lasted that long

This movie broke me mentally and emotionally. Not just because of all the reasons you mentioned here and more, but because the first Wonder Woman movie is arguably the most enjoyable and downright earnest superhero movie I had seen since Raimi's first Spidey film. It blew me away and immediately shot up to the top 5 of my all-time favorite superhero movies of all time. I felt inspired to be a better person after leaving the theater. Then '84 happened and _holy fuck._

@jerkchickenblog

10 ай бұрын

if a superhero movie (and not even the 'best' superhero movie in your eyes, only the best since ...) can break you 'mentally and emotionally' then you are in need of real psychological help. get help`

@Icetea-2000

10 ай бұрын

Earnest? I didn’t like how the germans are portrayed as evil. It was the first world war that was incredibly grey yet Hollywood is unable to write a war story that isn’t based on the second world war. I just would’ve liked if they portrayed the germans more fairer here and not demonize them while romanticizing britain. This really has an influence on people’s minds, many are not going to know anything about the first world war and are just going to be influenced by how it’s presented there

@ShoreFell

9 ай бұрын

WW84 is terrible, and maybe I wasn’t the target audience for the first film, but I didn’t find it enjoyable. Better than the sequel absolutely, but some writing choices were just as bad and dialogue is something that DC writers just haven’t been good at ever. It’s interesting to hear that you loved the first one so much and hated WW84 when I don’t like either. I’m curious as to what you liked about the first one that made it better than any other superhero film since Raimi’s original Spider-Man? I feel as though 80% of the Marvel catalogue is better than any DCU film produced so far, with the other 20% being about as bad.

@Icetea-2000

9 ай бұрын

@@ShoreFell Let me tell you, the simple fact that a worse movie came out. Or not just worse, a newer movie rather. It’s always the same, new movie comes out, people start talking about how much better the earlier one was no matter how bad or good it was. Same thing happened with the Terminator franchise, suddenly godawful movies like T3 that were hated for a good reason when they came out are seen as part of some Terminator holy grail just because Genisys and Dark Fate are newer and were even worse.

@yanasto

7 ай бұрын

My daughter LOVED the first Wonder Woman movie. She is 8 years old now and apart from a couple small parts of the original movie it was a good family film. She really badly wanted to see WW84 and so we previewed it. What a disappointment. We couldn’t let her watch it.

There's no greater illustration of how badly the writers of the DCEU misunderstand these characters than having Wonder Woman allow Maxwell Lord to walk free while Superman breaks a man's neck. Fate really handed us that one.

I genuinely thought that the moral of this movie was to give up on your dreams

@empressjuly

3 жыл бұрын

im screeeeeeaming. this is the message that cost over $100 mil to produce

@syra1541

3 жыл бұрын

actually same, i was so, so confused what the hell i was watching

@jademonass2954

3 жыл бұрын

gotta be honest, same

@keyman245

3 жыл бұрын

And it is

@syra1541

3 жыл бұрын

@Andrew Natanael Herijanto I'm sure that was the goal but it was presented in such a twisted awful way yk

Ten year old Bruce Wayne in 1984. "I can't believe I'm grounded...I wish I didn't have parents..."

@StarWarsomania

3 жыл бұрын

🎺🎺 *sad trombone noises*

@Mactav3

3 жыл бұрын

His parents died earlier in 1981

@isaiahthomas9817

3 жыл бұрын

@@Mactav3 he probably wished them back, but was forced to renounce his wish or something idk

@thesurvivorssanctuary6561

3 жыл бұрын

@@isaiahthomas9817 WW: Please, rescind your wish! Bruce: 👁👄👁

@Mactav3

3 жыл бұрын

@@isaiahthomas9817 Or I like to think that Bruce was so traumatized and jaded he thought Maxwell's promise was a lie and ignored it.

The fact that they didn’t even attempt the basic human exchange “You’re very pretty” “No I’m not” “No really, Im sure if you styled your hair, a bit of makeup. You’d get a boyfriend no problem” “You think?” “Absolutely” “So what about you? How’d you meet your boyfriend” “Oh… um… No I don’t have one… well I did but… ” “What? Who would break up with you? “No. It wasn’t a breakup” “…Oh my God im so sorry” “No No don’t worry… it was a long time ago” Like… that is NOT great dialogue. I wrote it in 5 minutes. But it’s at least a dialogue.

What I found when writing dialogue is that there are different levels of smoothness to the flow of a conversation. For example with people I personally feel comfortable with I just talk about whatever, we have a good time and everything flows seemlessly together. If I talk to someone I once knew well but feel estranged from or I just met recently but feel like we can become friends, there are certain parts of the conversation that flow but then there are the awkward pauses and silences when nobody knows what to say, so I change the subject rather abruptly. And with people I just met and don't have an relationship I just don't talk. So TLDR: the relationship between two characters impacts the flow of their conversation.

@oliverford5367

6 ай бұрын

Yes, and while on-the-nose is generally bad, sometimes saying what you mean directly is powerful. Just saying "I love you" isn't usually good, but a character who's ignored his feelings for 2 hours saying it - that would be powerful.

Biggest example of "unintentionally harmful" entertainment: Thirteen Reasons Why. It's basically a suicidal teenagers fantasy of how things will play out after they kill themselves.

@Soulthief4056

3 жыл бұрын

Not exactly. The show is kinda toxic, but very good at representing the pain suicide can have on ones friends and family. I didn’t get emotional until I watched the scene where Hannah’s parents found her body. That brought tears to my eyes.

@nicken8r

3 жыл бұрын

@@Soulthief4056 the depiction of her tapes and motivations comes across as a revenge fantasy. That is dangerous on its own, not to mention the portrayal of mental health

@swa7169

3 жыл бұрын

@@Soulthief4056 The problem is that it functionally shows her speaking and acting from beyond the grave and using her own death to solve problems. Not what the writer intended, but just a huge blindspot.

@mr_motivated7061

3 жыл бұрын

"Unintentionally" No, dude, those people know exactly what they're doing.

@sosasroamaccount

3 жыл бұрын

13RW having suicide hotlines at the end is a fucking joke when whole show revolves around how everybody becomes guilty that you commited suicide and acts the way you wanted them to when you were alive. A suicidal person wants that and might believe that.

"What about character motivation?" "We'll fix it in post." BEST FILMMAKING JOKE EVER!!

You see, when TCL picks up his dog and holds him caringly at 48:50 , that makes the audience think, "Oh this Closer Look guy is a real caring and affectionate human to put his movie-breakdown on hold for a moment so he can introduce us to his dog and give him some attention." Unintentionally good timing for the topic he was explaining, hopefully he found that out while editing.

22:19 So she has absolutely nothing in common with Comics Cheetah. Cheetah was also able to stand toe to toe with Wonder Woman because she was the sole worshipper of a forgotten god of the hunt.

I honestly thought Barbara was in love with Diana for like 20 minutes during the movie.

@fabianzambrano4746

3 жыл бұрын

LOL SAME

@EM-vw7im

3 жыл бұрын

Honestly probably would have been better for the story. A lot you can do with unrequited love as a plot device.

@Nico-gs8il

3 жыл бұрын

Wait, she was not?

@greeneyesgirl467

3 жыл бұрын

Something that sounds both gay and homophobic.... Lol

@areomorales6511

3 жыл бұрын

I refused to believe she wasn’t in love with her honestly, I thought she’d help Diana move on from Steve or something while being a bi icon

This guy deserves an Oscar for making a movie out of a bad movie

@sirgabealot01

3 жыл бұрын

Disaster Artist: The Sequel 😂

@kangthetitan5068

3 жыл бұрын

U watched the whole thing could never be me this is like cw flash but with wonder woman

@ollytherevenant1653

3 жыл бұрын

My only issue is, while I don’t disagree that the movie has bad dialogue, the example was pretty weak. The conversation being poorly segmented fits Barbara as a character, which even he states in the video is a shy social outcast. With that information it makes sense she would awkwardly carry a conversation in that manner so the argument against the dialogue in this video feels a bit weak, when there’s other examples that would have made for a more compelling point. Otherwise this was an excellent video.

@caseyissheep

3 жыл бұрын

*Good movie out of a bad movie

@markuzthe0ne

3 жыл бұрын

You should check out a KZreadr Moviebob. He did this for Batman vs Superman, and it's this same length... 3 times over. He made a trilogy out of a bad movie.

1:13:33 Let's not forget that Steve is somehow able to fly an F-111 after only ever flying World War I biplanes (just look up pictures of the F-111 cockpit and tell me how a WWI pilot is going to understand anything he's looking at, or even know how to start the engines). That's not even considering the fact that it's in a museum and is therefore unfueled and likely not airworthy, is able to fly almost 6000 miles without refueling despite having a range of only 3500 miles even with external tanks, is about 15 times faster than anything he's ever been in before, and even handles completely differently on the ground thanks to a fundamentally different landing gear configuration. And yet he somehow manages to fly it with no trouble.

@ezrakornfeld8436

2 ай бұрын

The F-111 aardvark is my favorite military jet. Also the cockpit in night flying mode (pic on Wikipedia) looks awesome

I love your empathy for that 14 year old girl. As someone who's been there, thank you for caring.

She clearly had no idea how to portray someone accidentally turning themselves into a cat. Its definitely not like that, and I think a certain lawyer on Zoom can attest to that.

@WobblesandBean

3 жыл бұрын

"Uhh.... I'm not a cat"

@eirschu8973

3 жыл бұрын

LMAO good one

@lizp5004

3 жыл бұрын

He was wayyy cuter, too!

@robonator2945

3 жыл бұрын

the only lawyer I know is the half asian super lawyer and that one idiot who simped so hard for captain marvel he tried to defend her breaking a dude's hand because he touched her map so I have no idea who you are referencing here

@ronin4ortyse7en

3 жыл бұрын

You seem to be a woman of culture!

It’s so stupid that they didn’t consider that even one person might have wished for the world to end or something. As soon as the whole wish granting thing happened, it’s highly probable that the world would have just ended

@Bopperann

3 жыл бұрын

Lots of contradictory wishes indeed and there is no time consistency in the granting of the various wishes. Like, surely there are people wishing for world peace or that all stupid people die or mass destruction/murder/ resurrection/ immorality/ fiction into reality, ect ect ect. Even if it is a monkey's paw, it'd be a free for for all. Wait wait... What if Bruce wishes to bring his parents back? Or Clark wishes back Krypton? Or Lex Luther wishes to be stronger than superman?

@Coldheart322

3 жыл бұрын

"I wish I was dead" - Someone overly suicidal, who now can't renounce their wish. "I wish I was on a tropical island" - Assuming teleportation is allowed, no more TV to show WW's message. "I wish all wishes were undone" - Cos no one should have that power, that's just stupid and reckless. It really does sound like the worse plot ever. Also was everyone's memory erased after the event? Cos I'm pretty sure that should have caused reprocussions.

@Bopperann

3 жыл бұрын

@@Coldheart322 omg I just thought, think of the children's wishes. That that's a movie I wanna see.

@Mew_Mokuba_Akari

3 жыл бұрын

@@Bopperann That's easy you should look up Supernatural episode Wishful Thinking. A little girl wishes her teddy bear alive. But since all wishes go haywire it wants to commit suicide..

@Bopperann

3 жыл бұрын

@@Mew_Mokuba_Akari I saw that episode 😆 Imagine that but x100 because far more children were making wishes! And I doubt the toddlers would be excluded so it'd be far worse than that _Honey I Blew Up the Baby_ movie. So giant kids with superpowers and imaginary friends. Super villains making wishes (I'd love to see the Arkham game series Joker make some wishes.) And what happens to contradicting wishes? Surely some are made at the same time? As it's monkey's paw rules, does that mean "I wish for the world to end" would just mean it ending as we know it?

Only thing I disagreed with was that "this is a female director, poorly representing men" comment. This is a female direct poorly representing men, women, children and everything in between.

The thing about Barbara's arc that infuriates me the most? Think about influential people saying the wrong thing on stage and becoming a terrible influence, think about them, and think of the harm they can do and that is forgivable because saying the wrong thing in a split second decision on stage is incredibly easy. A movie. Is not that. A movie, is planned. It has been planned and scripted and reviewed and throughout a process of years, this still came out. This still got out and this is out here and it has this terrible message and its so irresponsible, this is neglect. Neglect of care for your OWN story. This is absolutely unacceptable.

when you pointed out Barbara saying "have you ever been in love" my head immediately jumped to "anyway how's your sex life" in The Room

@pittland44

3 жыл бұрын

I did not hit her! I did not! It's bullshit! Oh, hi Mark!

@ilikeyourname4807

3 жыл бұрын

@@pittland44 Don't forget the bottle

@noosaibazahrah1318

3 жыл бұрын

pittland44 lol I thought I was the only one

@alexrossi2985

3 жыл бұрын

I was looking for this comment, glad I found it

@Xehanort10

3 жыл бұрын

Or the bit where Wiseau goes "Do yew understand loif? Do yew?" to Lisa. That's how the words you and life sound when he says them.

Why was no one talking about how this poor random man’s life was taken from him by a ghost, and Diana was willing to make it permanent. She didn't have a second thought about it. They didn't even gloss over this.

@jalifritz8033

3 жыл бұрын

Council of geek has an entire video about that.

@icebill2

3 жыл бұрын

Don't forget about the fact that they had sex with that guy body and he probably wasn't aware of it happening.

@viddork

3 жыл бұрын

@@icebill2 I'd say it'd be worse if he _was_ aware of it.

@TheTsar1918

3 жыл бұрын

No one is talking about it because it was a MAN. And the ideology these days states that men have had it their way for eons and its time they got the flip side of the coin. You don't need to look far to see that Gadot ignores this thought, and Jenkins replies to the same scenario with laughter, via Twitter.

@mar8408

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheTsar1918 i think they domt cosidered that part tho, also if is a woman, man or etc, sleeping with someone without their consent is r*pe. also. what ideology are talking you about? equal gender oportunities doesnt mean that we like seing men getting r*ped.

Surprisingly enough, random questions that come out of nowhere like "Have you ever been in love" are extremely common in real life conversations. I ask them myself all the time during lulls in conversation. But they do not feel real in a movie unless something has prompted them.

There are just so many bad story decisions - you can suspend belief for one or two of the lack of motivation for the bad guys, the innocent guy rape, Steve’s abilioty to fly a plane (that should also have no fuel”… and then the “renounce your wish”…. But you can’t suspend disbelief for all of them.

Villain: "I'll uSe nUkEs tO dEstrOy thE wOrLd!!" Wonder Woman: "uh, your son is IN the world?!??!! " Villain:" DOH !!!" the End...

@BoredGhostInk

3 жыл бұрын

Reminded me of the Guardians of The Galaxy scene where Starlord yells at Rocket “uh Yeah I’m one of the idiots living in it!!”

@ahmedamine24

3 жыл бұрын

Rocket: "Why would we want to save the Galaxy? What has it ever done for us?" Starlord: "Because we're among the idiots who *live in it.*" Flawless logic, literally.

@nbewarwe

3 жыл бұрын

@Franca Wong Not even the dumbest of fish will fall for such obvious bait

@oH_._

3 жыл бұрын

@@nbewarwe Give it time, there is always someone that will bite the bait

@sprinkelle1165

3 жыл бұрын

@Franca Wong fishing rod

Not only is it a women directed movie poorly representing men, it’s a woman directed and wrote movie poorly depicting women and adding to their stereotypes it does both! especially with female friendships and just how science lady is treated and reacts to her newfound popularity, it like ugh I hate this movie so much

@WobblesandBean

3 жыл бұрын

That's what saddens me. Then men point to this and go "SEE? Women can't make good movies, this is three problem with feminism forcing this BS representation nonsense, and now we all gotta suffer through this" But like...no. Just, no. That's not how any of that works, as if men don't ruin popular franchises, but it hardly matters to them. They'll take any justification they can get. And the worst part is, _Hollywood execs listen._ Now they think female led films are box office poison, and if they DO want to appeal to the female demographic, then they gotta bash men and fill it with toxic messages like "it's wrong to wish for things".

@1000000man1

3 жыл бұрын

@@WobblesandBean How do you not realise that you have Just made the *same* generalisation about Men? You've literally Just put words in People's mouths and claimed that statement represents what men think and say.

@RevolutionaryLoser

3 жыл бұрын

@@WobblesandBean I mean, Wonderwoman 1was pretty good and the men are put on a pedestal as the ultimate force of love in the universe that gives meaning to life and the same shitlords hated that. I don't think anybody honestly thinks the problem here is the director's gender. To be fair, I don't believe directors can be held responsible for everything. It's a scriptwriters job to write jokes and make dialogue natural. Also, I guess a lot of people were sleeping at the wheel to allow this much rape and sexual assault in their superhero movie. Remember all those memorable sexual assault scenes in your favourite superhero movie? I don't.

@myiachanmagicalgirl

3 жыл бұрын

You're right, this movie vilifies the female friendships which perpetuated toxic narrative that women don't need friends only love interest

@motivated2473

3 жыл бұрын

@@WobblesandBean 🤡

what I tend to do when I sit down to write a scene is I make a chart that says "(1)What does each character want from this conversation/interaction (sometimes that may be just "I want to get out of this conversation), (2)what do these characters think of each other (what is their level of trust), (3)"how high is their charisma stat (for lack of a better term)", what is my (the writer's) goal for this scene. Then I have a framework to play in. I know my goal, but I also know the goals of my characters and I can manipulate outside circumstances to help achieve my goals more organically. I'm not published so take with a grain of salt, but it's something that helps me get words on the page that I feel don't completely suck.

i’m halfway through but wanted to leave this comment before I forgot-thank you for putting into words what I think many of us were thinking. it felt off they made barbara into the antagonist, especially starting off with the scene where they purposely had sinister music after she defended herself from an aggressive man at night post wish. you really broke into details exactly why and how the script did this, super cool video so far!!!

The whole "renounce your wish" bit seems to be written by someone who has never had to actually struggle with anything in life.

@AshrafAnam

3 жыл бұрын

Geoff Johns

@elavedelosaugurios704

3 жыл бұрын

Probably it is

@keyman245

3 жыл бұрын

"Wanting something is bad"

People overlook the fact that WW raped the man that Steve was possessing... The hero of the film... rapes a man. This is a AAA title made as a family film by DC. wtf

@dankllamas6984

3 жыл бұрын

Its fine because she's a woman This fact was brought to you by mega sjws

@sin9346

3 жыл бұрын

@@dankllamas6984 I can't see twitter being happy about that either?? lol they seem pretty against men being raped too

@buzzardbeatniks

3 жыл бұрын

Really? Everyone I heard comment on the film at any length brought it up.

@localpleb3875

3 жыл бұрын

@@dankllamas6984 omg no one thinks rape is okay, no matter who’s doing it

@dankllamas6984

3 жыл бұрын

@@localpleb3875 while don't have the source on hand for a person thinking rape is ok, i can find a video of people saying animals can consent to sex Edit: i think it was deleted

“I didn’t really think this through, even slightly did I?” *chefs kiss* - Every terribly written villain ever. Love it.

I really like how you pointed out the jarring segues in dialogs. Tbh the most organic way to combat that, that I had came up with, is to establish that the change of topic was something the character had planned ahead, for example you have your character having second thoughts about a certain topic or thinks about/realizes that they need to bring it up in the upcoming conversation they’re about to have with this second person. This way when there’s this bit of silence when no fresh ‘organic’ topic seems to rise up there’s a chance for that seemingly ‘fabricated’ one to be brought into the picture but - at least for me - it no longer feels as fake because in the back of your mind you were prepared to see it because there was a prompt given that it might’ve been something this character needed to talk about. If anyone has any other ideas on how to combat that fake suddenly switch of topics in a conversation feel free to add it here!

I love how Wonder Woman tells everyone on Earth to renounce their wishes. What if some kid is dying due to a terminal illness, and the kid’s mother wishes for the kid to live? Is that such a bad wish?

@cyrene3682

3 жыл бұрын

But the point wasn’t that they were bad. It was that they weren’t real and they were hurting themselves

@MeesdeFilmliefhebber

3 жыл бұрын

Because these wishes may grant you happiness, but take that away from somebody else. That is not right. For example, to heal one person from a terminal illness here, another person might succumb to it as a consequence. Getting what you desire without working hard for it/earning it through life, possibly at the expense of others, is a toxic mindset. Edit: of course there are desires that could be viewed as an exception, and not everything in life can be "earned"; I chose my words wrong there. But even then, whether it is right to sacrifice someone else's happiness for your own, is at the very least questionable, and at the worst wrong. It all depends on what the desire is, and who are all affected by the decision. It isn't a toxic mindset by default, but it could become one. I dont have all the answers: I try to express my understanding of this movies message, and I am not perfect. Peace and happiness to you all!

@lucastavares1431

3 жыл бұрын

Her kid would be healed and then he would be run over or something. Monkey's paw

@lonewalkerproductions

3 жыл бұрын

@@MeesdeFilmliefhebber the point is though, if you just wished for your terminally ill child to get better (which isn't something you can work hard/earn), then some superhero on tv tells you to renounce that wish because someone out there is supposedly suffering due to that wish, would the average person listen?

@shadowrundas

3 жыл бұрын

yes, monkey paws grant your wish but the wish will screw you over worse, the kid would have likely suffered a much worse fate then dying from the sickness the wish cured as literary devices its often used as the easy but incorrect solution to a problem that will hurt you in the long run for not dealing with it properly

"I want to be an apex predator" is such a stupid line. It's one of the many in this movie that don't make sense. HUMANS ARE ALREADY APEX PREDATORS. THAT WOULD BE NO CHANGE

@williamstark9568

3 жыл бұрын

Does komodos and tigers eating us count or do apex predators eating apex predators not count?

@zachclawges6932

3 жыл бұрын

@@williamstark9568 no that doesn't count because humans aren't a natural food source to those animals. Elephants can and do kill lions, but the lion is still the apex predator. You become an apex predator when you're at the very top of your respective food chain, there is no animal that relies on your species as part of it's natural diet. Humans aren't a natural part of any animal's diet, we are the very top of our food chain. We're apex predators. Not only that, but humans are actually the most dominant apex predator in the world, so becoming anything else is technically a downgrade because humans are already the world's most dangerous predators

@commandercat10

3 жыл бұрын

@@zachclawges6932 that is neat

@CarloisBuriedAlive

3 жыл бұрын

I also like that the line after was “like something that has never been seen before” and then the stone turns her into a creature that exists in nature lol

@captainahab5522

3 жыл бұрын

We aren’t apex predators We are hyper-predators we hunt and kill apex predators for fun or food

They could have easily avoided this if they included an arc of Diana fighting her darkness during the movie. Then you can draw the parallel of them both fighting their inner demons and one of them is able to overcome theirs.

18:11 A: *eats bread* *muffling* this bread tastes pretty good. B: I think a baquette would be better for you *starts sliding a finger across hand of A*. A: *still eating bread* while we are talking about baquettes you know that my uncle put a baquette up his [redacted] last night. B: what the [redacted] is wrong with you?! A: what?! *bread crumbs now are spit towards B* what did I do? B: *slaps A* You ruined our date! *runs out crying* A: Bread is good. Bread dosen't slap you. *eats raw bread*.

That's the most sarcastic “wow you're so funny” I've ever heard. Gal gadot's delivery was borderline criminal

@alexbennet4195

3 жыл бұрын

I honestly thought that was the point, initially - that WW was trying to be snarky. But I guess not.

@ljjjordan1175

3 жыл бұрын

Nah bro, it's just she was trying to show how powerful of a woman she was by not showing emotion. You see, Patty Jenkins here was showing woman power, it was all on purpose, I swear

@marshmallowvampire8503

3 жыл бұрын

It is.😄😄😄 I was never super critical of this movie, but that whole conversation was very artificial.

@Jay-Jones

3 жыл бұрын

Worst person they could have picked to play someone as fiery and commanding as Wonder Woman. Been saying that since the first movie.

@elvibora6218

3 жыл бұрын

@@Jay-Jones that's why I like perfectionist directors. There's no way Tarantino is letting her get away with delivery like that

people deconstructing bad movies is my new addiction lol

@ausername8699

3 жыл бұрын

Seriously, this has been single greatest source of entertainment for the past 3 years and made me consider going into film school.

@bboyleftfoot

3 жыл бұрын

Same here

@qunningStunts

3 жыл бұрын

If you somehow haven't seen or heard Mauler's work...check him out.

@jamilabrownie

3 жыл бұрын

Been in this game for the past 10 years...welcome to the cynical cinephile club!

@siddiqsmouse5004

3 жыл бұрын

Literally just came from HelloFuture Me's 2 hour The Last Airbender video

This is one of my comfort videos and is inspiring me to do better in the world and that I matter. I remember when I saw that movie everyone was ether gone or hated me and I just really wanted to be more like others… normal. It send me down a bad path and this video changed that it made me realize I was important and I just want to say thanks

1:12:06 Unfortunately the praise for Mjolnir did not age well. In Thor Love and Thunder, Mjolnir and Stormbreaker now have minds of their own, and Thor talks to the weapons constantly. All in the name of classic MCU “humor” of course

The movie is so bad he had to show himself to truly show his disappointment.

Hey, don’t diss fan fictions like that. I’ve read many that are faaaaarrrrrrr better than whatever WW1984 was trying to be

@jonathandavis8051

3 жыл бұрын

Ok, to be fair, there are actually a lot of underapriciated fanfiction writers. Some are REALLY good. I started with fanfiction, and I was pretty good for my age. If I wrote consistently since then, I'd probably be an actual author already XD

@leslie_grace

3 жыл бұрын

All the Young Dudes is ELITE

@sageleaf8962

3 жыл бұрын

I just came from reading a amazing fan fic and I thought this thing too

@SaSPonchICo

3 жыл бұрын

Fanfiction doesn't have the same production value as a Hollywood script, that's why comparing the script to the fanfiction always does the former (but not the latter) a disservice. It's not that fanfics are bad. It's that people can achieve better results having much less resources and experience.

@MegaTaximan

3 жыл бұрын

He wasn't. He specifically dissed FIFTEEN YEAR OLD'S FF...

I love the way that conversations can evolve. Me and my friend went from talking about how fun it is to play mermaids in the pool to talking about how much we like death .... real conversations are wild

37:40 *throws book* "i keep damaging my stuff" *door handle also hanging off"

A fix to the end of the movie: Diana is said to have lost faith in humanity, with the events of BvS and Justice League finally bringing her faith back. So show it here; Diana begs humanity to rescind their wishes or the world will end, with the only other option being to kill Lord. Humanity refuses. At her wit's end, she is forced to kill Lord, depriving a child of his father and soiling her own hands for the sake of a race who couldn't be bothered to save themselves. Disgusted at what she's been forced into doing, she abandons her role as the savior of humanity and goes into the shadows until the events of BvS, where she comes face to face with the truth that humans are more complex than what she thought. Does it fix the movie? No, but at least it ties into the rest of the continuity. Also, you've got a new villain in Lord's kid, if you want to go that route.

@kareemjoseph3569

3 жыл бұрын

Damn that's a good and realistic ending.

@hannahmoses5736

3 жыл бұрын

THANK YOU

@Marcelo-Vega

3 жыл бұрын

They didn't even have to invent that, Wonder Woman breaks Maxwell Lord's neck to free Superman of his mind control during the Crisis of Infinite Earths or shortly before so the idea was already in the comics.

@motivated2473

3 жыл бұрын

Or maybe be more original, and the kid decides to move on with his life instead of following such a stupid path like revenge

@Marcelo-Vega

3 жыл бұрын

@@motivated2473 don't forget this is a superhero movie, stupid revenge plans are the bread and butter of this genre. 😂

The Closer Look: Captain America Me: *slowly raises pitchfork* The Closer Look: No no no, THIS Captain America Me: *Slowly lowers pitchfork*

@verbulent_flow6229

3 жыл бұрын

WHO'S STRONG AND BRAVE HERE TO SAVE THE AMERICAN WAAAAAY

@markparkinson6947

3 жыл бұрын

That was a really good comment to read! 🤣

@kongmengyang1098

3 жыл бұрын

When Captain America throws his mighty shield!!

@lunaangeleclipse9745

4 ай бұрын

It always surprises me when people say the Captain America 1 is one of the worst MCU films. I only watched it once or twice, but I remember liking it a lot!

Fun fact, the "bad dialog" because it's jumping subject without any kind of logic... Sounds just like my mother's way of speaking. Just changing subject like it's natural, looking at me not understanding a thing since I'm still trying to link it to the previous topic. And then her being aggressive because I can't follow.

You can tell this guy is a good writer simply by the way he does his ad transitions. Seamlessly connected in his flow of dialogue, and no awkward cutaway to him saying “This video is sponsored by …”

The “moral” of the movie is to “Stay in your Lane”. Barbra is punished for trying to be anything other than the reclusive nerd, that only naturally attractive women get what they want, and men are objects for women. Diana is naturally attractive so she gets her man back. But this is done in the worst way possible which should be raising concern about the role of consent on part of men. He’s even labeled as ‘handsome man’ in the credits. Objectified for his looks. His body is stolen and used to have sex with another woman. What if the man had a wife, or girlfriend? What if he was gay, or had taken a religious vow of chastity? What if he was asexual? None of those things are considered. So, in short: don’t be unattractive.

@pismodude2

3 жыл бұрын

DC movies: Be beautiful and powerful or keep your head down and hope you don't die nerd Marvel movies: Thor is fat, Rocket's a bunny, saving the world can be cool and funny

@SuperCosmicMutantSquid

3 жыл бұрын

The thing that irks me the most is how the lesson from the start doesn't have anything to do with the lesson we're told Diana learns in the movie. Her mother teachers her that cheating is bad and to never take shortcuts. Here's the problem, in the past she was activity doing that through her own choice. As an adult, her 'wish' was granted without her knowing and without her really taking it seriously outside of it being a random thought and desire. How the fuck does that count as Diana cheating when that was never her intention from the start? The lesson at the stat is don't cheat but the lesson after that is 'be careful what you wish for' yet they try to slam them into being the same lesson when neither of it feel deserved.

@dean_l33

3 жыл бұрын

@@SuperCosmicMutantSquid But still though what flustercluck of a story

@EfrenDNa

3 жыл бұрын

Oh my god

@blackosprey2219

3 жыл бұрын

Can you even imagine the absolute shitstorm that would be raised if the protagonist was male and the love interest and body-stealer was female? Possession's always been a squicky horror concept to me in any context, 'cause even if that stolen body isn't used for sex, it's still such a fundamental violation of someone's existence that only villains could treat it so nonchalantly.

Honestly that "have you ever been in love" moment could have been *completely* fixed if they'd just had an awkward pause. They run out of things to talk about, they both kinda glance around, then Barbara asks a question she thinks will kind of restart the conversation. Literally nothing in the script changes, and you add like 6 seconds to the runtime.

@JTm0nsteR

3 жыл бұрын

Would also give characterization to Barbara by making her look even more socially awkward. And it would be actually funny

@fabianhebestreit3240

3 жыл бұрын

This movie is already 18 hours long and you want to add even more seconds?

@peytonmac1131

3 жыл бұрын

@@fabianhebestreit3240 If it was interesting, yes. I don't understand why movies have to be less than an hour and half or people complain about how long they are.

@fabianhebestreit3240

3 жыл бұрын

@@peytonmac1131 They don't have to be. But we aren't talking about well-paced long movies like Magnolia or Love Exposure. WW84 is a movie that is definitely 40 minutes too long and feels endless.

@yesno7889

3 жыл бұрын

@@peytonmac1131 for me I just wanna get out of the cinema ASAP from just how cringey it was, I’d rather be out of the cinema a second faster than have just one scene be slightly more tolerable. I thoroughly regret inviting my friends along.

The Room dialogue was actually better. WW 84 - "I am X, you are Y." The Room - "My situation is X and the reason is Y." The Room is actually conveying information between characters that they might not both know.

I remember watching the movie and feeling the whole time that it didn't feel like a movie: it felt like an episode of a TV show. And I'm not talking about modern cinematic TV like Breaking Bad. I'm talking about 1980s sitcoms: the kind where they cranked out like 30 episodes a season by putting their writers in a boiler-room environment where they cracked the whip and scripts were barely finished in time each week.

@iantaakalla8180

Ай бұрын

Wonder Woman 1984, indeed

15:12 We all have our struggles.... _Anyway how's your sex life?_

@jadynmurrell80

3 жыл бұрын

nonexistent

@MasterofBeats

3 жыл бұрын

nonexistent

@yesno7889

3 жыл бұрын

nonexistent

@TintedVisionMovies

3 жыл бұрын

Oh hi Mark

@connersnow2173

3 жыл бұрын

@@TintedVisionMovies Your tearing me apart Lisa!

Remember the OTHER superhero story where an American soldier named Steve sacrificed himself in a plane and then came back after 70 years and visited his true love? Yeah, that movie was way better.

@rickeybernard8156

3 жыл бұрын

The funny part is they could have referenced it 😂😂😂

@mwagner1996

3 жыл бұрын

Oh, do you mean the other movie where the American soldier Steve is played by Chris?

@Prodigious1One

3 жыл бұрын

But he could have landed somewhere.

@Spiceodog

3 жыл бұрын

The main character didn’t even rape someone in that movie.......... unlike this one, and nobody even talks about it

@roxanne_

3 жыл бұрын

Owen Keenan and who the fuck would want that in a movie anyways. It depends on what its going to be about mostly but its a story about a SUPERHERO KIDS WATCH IT

So late to the conversation on this one, but I am autistic. I had very little exposure to social interactions, because I was the weird introverted kid. I learned social standards from TV and movies. It was the only thing I could. I learned never to compliment myself, because all the mean girl bullies do that, and I don’t want to be one of those. I learned that all bad acts should be forgiven if apologized for, regardless of context, because that’s what the heroes did. I learned that when a friendship is rocky, it will always heal if the two people fighting are good people, because that’s what always happened. I learned many bad things from media because of this. It made my self esteem rocky, my apologies hollow, and my friend breakups heart breaking. Now I try to subvert those lessons and teach hopefully but realistic lessons about the world, so those who read that are in my position can learn something better. We all need to be aware of the accidental morals we teach, both on a blatant and subtextual level.

Patty Jenkins didn't write the first Wonder Woman movie. Why the hell did she suddenly decide she could write a script? Reminds me of George Lucas who basically came up with the bare skeleton of a story for Star Wars and had a dozen people around him chipping and molding it into an actual story. Then when Lucas had the power to make scripts without the help the resulting movies were awful.

Wonder Woman telling everyone to give up on their wishes: Batman wishing for his parents back: 👁👄👁 Superman wishing for his *planet* back: 👁👄👁

@kirbyfazendoummoonwalk9214

3 жыл бұрын

Some guy wishing for world peace: 🤡

@Mekkidolila

3 жыл бұрын

Some guy wishing for the world to go back to normal

@littlen8279

3 жыл бұрын

Quite surprising that not a single depressed edgelord wished for the world destruction

@TheKueiJin

3 жыл бұрын

@@kirbyfazendoummoonwalk9214 What do you think world peace would mean for a djin? What do you think peace means? The only way that wish would have come true, would have been for every single thing on earth to die, and guess what, that would have happened. Superman wishing or his planet back? Hmmmmm kinda like what Zod did? Batman fo.. actually I'm just gonna stop. That's the thing, it wasn't that the people wishing stuff was evil, but keeping that wish KNOWING the cost, and usually not to you, is what was evil. That thing, the god that made that wishing stone, was a trickster.

@sapphirestarblazer6805

3 жыл бұрын

Some guy wishing to dismantle the toxic capitalist hiearchy that we live in: (:

When she asked "are you in love" I thought that she was coming on to her

@your_dad_on_vacation

3 жыл бұрын

Same

@everperplexing

3 жыл бұрын

Oh thank god I’m not alone

@Schnort

3 жыл бұрын

Why would that have been such a better movie. Why. I want that now.

@mr.x16829

3 жыл бұрын

the entire setup with diana not being over steve and barbara being lonely and feeling bad about herself really made me think they were going to make this a hero-needs-to-save-the-world-but-can't-do-it-alone-and-falls-for-the-person-helping-them thing and i was soooo confused when they instead pulled the steve thing, so all that goes a long way to say thank god i'm not the only one who saw that

@nightnavin

3 жыл бұрын

@@mr.x16829 this probably would have been a better movie 🍿

17:25 As someone with ADHD, I'll have a stray thought that's barely related to a single detail of the previous conversation and then follow up on that, and blurt out things that to the other person comes out of nowhere.

The sad thing is the invisible jet idea was better done in the animated series by having her take it from an enemy. Thus, they could have it early on that she's fighting a supervillain with that jet, it is then buried in a museum by people who don't understand the special capabilities, they take it from the museum; it's magic so there's no problems with fuel but it couldn't fly etc without someone magical at the controls. You then have an awesome early fight scene, you have chekhov's gun instead of deus ex machina, and you have a reminder that her powers are magical in nature.

"Sir, I'm gonna need you to get ALLLLLLLLL the way off my back about this dialogue"

@BeautifulEarthJa

3 жыл бұрын

lol

@droneeye2618

3 жыл бұрын

😅

@mgtocrateezspeaks3971

3 жыл бұрын

Okay. Let me get off of that thing.

@998576999

3 жыл бұрын

That's super easy, barely an inconvenience

@ninjablack4347

3 жыл бұрын

Oh making references to other vids is tight!

It’s amazing to me they tried to make the morale be “there’s no shortcuts to success” in a Wonder Woman movie. You know, the woman who didn’t have to work hard for anything she has because she was given the perfect Amazon genes at birth and born into royalty. “You have to work hard for what you want!” says the woman who just naturally has super strength and just learns to make things invisible or fly without any actual practice. Myth of Meritocracy: The Movie more like.

@Crabgar

3 жыл бұрын

i mean, *IF* you're competent you could write about how diana had to work hard to be viewed as exceptional and a hero, even in the amazon society but that's a big if

@shaynevalencia3865

3 жыл бұрын

@@Crabgar oh yeah totally; I think they definitely could have written a movie about how intensely trained Amazon warriors are, and have the morale be that raw power without proper training can be unwieldy. But that’s clearly a very very different script to pull that off.

@aawillma

3 жыл бұрын

Not to mention the fact that the scene with the horse race that supposedly showed her cheating was not cut and dry. She didn't intentionally take a shortcut and it wasn't obvious she even knew she did anything other than pull a sweet come back move. Cool scene but a horrible choice when trying to establish a theme of deception which requires intent.

@erenerikci3263

3 жыл бұрын

It’s almost as bad as Captain America preaching against drugs

@nicholauscrawford7903

2 жыл бұрын

The original movie was at least about about Diana emotionally, intellectually, and even spiritually maturing and didn't short cut it.

Powerlifter here, I've never seen this movie before, but just wanted to weigh in on this frame shown at 12:50 . Those plates should add up to somewhere between 225lbs and 250lbs. Which is good for a strict overhead press, but for a clean and jerk, this would be very mid. Also, the bar is bending and would not be at that load.

Two years late but here's a couple things you can do if you're having trouble getting from one topic to another convincingly in dialogue. 1. Silence. Awkwardness. Not too long 'cause that'll ruin the scene in other ways, but depending on the relationship between your characters, it's perfectly okay for the conversation to die. Have your characters trail off, sip at their drinks or chew on their food for a couple of seconds. Follow that up with one character visibly fishing for something interesting to talk about - and there's your way in. 2. Noise, and lots of it. If your scene is in a public place, you have plenty of filler that will make a subject jump less obvious, and can present visual cues for tangents. A restaurant scene in which a rowdy patron disrupts the conversation by yelling at a waiter is an easy segue into "That reminds me, my uncle's a shitheel." Can be easy to trap yourself into only seeing the dialogue, and try to make the conversation support itself, but using your setting can be a real advantage. If the new topic is "have you ever been in love", though, there is no trick and no tool that can ever pull you out. You committed that line to paper, and it will punish you for it. I don't think anyone has ever asked another real human being this question, and I cannot see how it contributes to any scene ever.

I think the worst thing about the Barbara storyline is that Wonder Woman was created as a role model for young girls to look up to and aspire to be. Wonder Woman is supposed to be an empowering symbol, a message that girls and women can be strong and brave and kind and noble, too. But then Barbara aspires to be like Wonder Woman and she's turned into a monster. It undermines the entire point of Wonder Woman's existence. It looks at women who want to be like Wonder Woman and tells them, "You can't be like her. Even if you could have every wish granted, you'd never be as good as her," and that's such a terrible message to include in a movie intended to empower and inspire women and girls.

@IkesPimpHand

Жыл бұрын

"empower and inspire" "strong and brave" 😂😂🤮🤮🤮

@insertname2035

Жыл бұрын

​@@IkesPimpHand incel

@spacekid2157

Жыл бұрын

@etherealvaleska4483 I completely agree, even if Barbra hadn’t gone crazy the film sets up a view of reality that is dangerous with the opposite sex being the villain which is not a world I would want my daughter growing up in.

@joshraid1550

Жыл бұрын

@@IkesPimpHandWhat’s so funny?

@mev2441

Жыл бұрын

what about boys who also want to be strong and brave and kind and noble? are they just not allowed 😕😕

2:20 “why do you want to save the galaxy? What has it ever done for you?” “Cause I’m one of the idiots who lives in it!” -Guardians of the Galaxy

@michaelclarkj

3 жыл бұрын

Producer Guy: That works!

@KN-hg2nv

3 жыл бұрын

the only right answer

I mean, i agree with you that it’s good to delete the scene that doesn’t fit the overall story FROM THE STORY but don’t throw it away! Copy and paste it into its own document for crying out loud. Because if it’s the best thing you’ve ever written, it has inherent value to YOU the writer and it may prove useful down the line! It bothers me so much when people write something and it doesn’t work, and then for one reason or another it’s gone forever. Like when my 5th grade teacher took my story and just tossed it in the trash can. Decades later i wonder what was in that story. I’d love to re-examine it. Like by all means kill your darlings, but keep an archive of the stuff you’ve written even if it’s “useless”.

@Guineapigsreadingbooks

Жыл бұрын

This is something I am considering right now. I am writing a novel, and wrote a sub plot in it that I really like. But it doesn’t feel like it can be properly handled in the grand series. So I am considering just Making that plot line a short story in its own right, instead of cramming it into the novel series. It would only require a little tweaking of the the plot line to make it unrelated, so then I can simply extract my darling

I always thought the moral was “no-one’s perfect, not everyone is gonna get what they want and that’s ok”

And let's not forget how *SHIT* Wonder Woman's speech was at the end of the movie.

@TintedVisionMovies

3 жыл бұрын

For me that was one of the few decent scenes, wasn’t powerful, was just acceptable

@rananawito3526

3 жыл бұрын

I can’t get over the fact that this speech was also targeted at parents who wished their kids weren’t sick anymore, poor people who wished for food or little kids who wished for their dead parents back or toys or some crap, just good people wishing for normal good things. So her entire speech was just dumb to me and I hated it.

@PrechtGaebolgHades

3 жыл бұрын

Well she was rehearsing "Imagine" but in a speechy style.

@truepotential206

3 жыл бұрын

It was worse than the love letter i wrote in the name of my crush when i was 12 and decided it was shit and flushed it down the toilet

The moral of this movie literally is, "Ambition is evil, tear other women down to teach them a lesson."

@midwings00

3 жыл бұрын

Isn't it a defense of movies that there are no morals just mindless fun?

@AlyxDG

3 жыл бұрын

@@midwings00 There’s no such thing as “mindless fun”. Everything has a billion strings attached which can affect the audience in any number of ways.

@istvankovacs4154

3 жыл бұрын

So that is the reason why his movie resonated with feminists so much. It tries to look and sound like it is doing something noble, but the real motivation as you so aptly summarised is: "Ambition is evil, tear other women down to teach them a lesson." I feel like how probably Neo did in the first Matrix when he started seeing that everything is made of code.

@TheSquallAce

3 жыл бұрын

@@midwings00 Sure... If that's true. If a movie DOES try to teach a moral and bungles it, or just has unfortunate implications, then saying it is 'mindless fun' is not true, nor does it address the issue.

@almalone3282

3 жыл бұрын

@@AlyxDG Michael Bay transformers would like a word with you

The one piece of arguably shit writing I don’t fully hate is “I wish we had more time” because in my mind this is how Diana phrases her wish she made in her head. That would also explain why she stops in her tracks when she hears it.

The major mistake of this film was bringing back Chris Pine. They should’ve let his heroic death from Part 1 stand. Trying to find a way to wedge him into the film destroyed it.

Here I was so distracted by all the rape that I didn't even consider the whole "trying to become a better person will ruin you" narrative.

@maxkordon

3 жыл бұрын

So much wrong with it, but honestly we should just be happy with how it is and stop wishing to have better movies made instead

@BilamanaJika

3 жыл бұрын

@@maxkordon what a wise human being😂

@donutguy1281

3 жыл бұрын

@@maxkordon or convince them to make better movies in the future...

@lincolnduke

3 жыл бұрын

Here's a weird thing, have you seen Coming 2 America yet? Everyone was in uproar over WonderWomans rape scene but in Coming 2 America Eddie Murphie's character gets drugged and is so out of it he thinks he's having sex with an animal. In fact it's important to the plot that he didnt know it was happenning, but no one seems bothered over that?

@spaghetto9836

3 жыл бұрын

Alright, that's enough... I'm pretending this movie didn't happen. Only the 1st WW is canon in my eyes, just like the DC comics where Batman is actually a good father.

It's actually worse than "having a role model and improving yourself is bad." Barbra breaks down after almost being sexually ASSAULTED and saved by Diana. She wants to be strong like Diana TO DEFEND HERSELF FROM PREDATORS. And the movie paints her as BAD for that.

@joeyg29jgjg

3 жыл бұрын

didnt think of that thank you for that

@djstuntfox

2 жыл бұрын

Barbara is justified in wanting to be strong. Nothing wrong with that, but it is wrong to beat someone so badly, all knowing you are 20x stronger than they are. Barbara became her attacker. She lost her humanity when she became powerful. She could have easily just pushed him aside. Instead, she beat him up, even though at this point he poses no threat to her. After throwing him against the truck and saying no, she should have walked away. She is not someone to look up to.

@visassess8607

2 жыл бұрын

Her actions were bad though. Just because you feel slighted and want something doesn't mean you should be able to do anything you want.

@djstuntfox

2 жыл бұрын

@@visassess8607 Exactly!

@afrosymphony8207

2 жыл бұрын

i tthink you're just refusing to admit the fact that just cause you were a "victim" doesn't mean you have the right to go full hulk on everything. Complex truths like that are what gives superhero comics great depth

Damn, part 2 was terrifying. As you were going through that summery, having never seen the movie, (Thank Goodness) the number one message I was pulling from that is that self-improvement is dangerous. I am currently on the young end of things, and though I won't be telling my exact age for privacy reasons, I will say that I am at an age where most people are forming their identity as an independent human being and are going through some major mental upheaval, myself included. I am also having some real issues with self-esteem/depression/suicidal thoughts atm, and I can very easily see how that message could be *literally deadly* for someone in a similar situation (Don't worry about me, I'm too stubborn to ever let the world win, and it's more wonderings than true contemplation anyway). I am just very glad that I have the ability to look at the world from a logical and objective standpoint outside of my experience/feelings to know that that message is blatantly incorrect.

I always saw the moral as "Don't try to become who idolize the most, because even our idols have flaws." It is worth more mentally and phsycially to understand ourselves and become a person we want to be. So that when someone seeks us as a role model they can find genuine characteristics/lifestyle/personaility that reflects positively.

Saying that this is like a fifteen-year-old's fanfic is an insult to fifteen-year-olds. Believe it or not, they can write way more thought out stories with better moral lessons and themes. Also, there is one case where an abrupt topic change is okay, is if one character isn't comfortable with the topic.

@SleepyMatt-zzz

3 жыл бұрын

Morals aside, I think what would make teen fanfiction better than this film is that there is at least some enthusiasm put into the work.

@mreverything7056

3 жыл бұрын

Me who’s sixteen working to write a good story: HAHA! I beat the system!!

@yikes7639

3 жыл бұрын

im 15 and I was kind of offended that my stories were compared to this bombshell of a movie.

@yikes7639

3 жыл бұрын

I'm

@l.l.2046

3 жыл бұрын

@@yikes7639 Same, that's why I commented

Did i just spend an hour and 20 minutes watching a break down of a movie i have never seen? Yes Do i regret it? Nope

@ayekantspeylgud

3 жыл бұрын

Same. And it was actually pretty entertaining.

@TheRonnieaj

3 жыл бұрын

Same. A friend who LOVED the first WW had an impressively long rant about how much she hated this one. Then my husband watched it, and now we’re not allowed to mention it in the house, he hated it so much 🤣

@koalaeucalyptus

3 жыл бұрын

Same here, as well. I haven't and will not watch it, that's how bad all reviews are... but this was an entertaining video, I learned a lot about screenwriting and how it is actually very possible to make bad movies into better ones, if only the production cared to do it.

@onerosegrowing936

3 жыл бұрын

Yup.

@donaldtrumpselbow8142

3 жыл бұрын

It’s a better use of your time than watching the actual movie, I made that mistake, fell asleep halfway through, rewound the movie, but then somehow the movie made more sense after missing a quarter of it than watching the part that I missed

When I rewatched this, the beginning skit had me flabbergasted. It was literally so accurate to the end of Wonder Woman 1984.

11:01 There's a scene I really like in the croods that does introduce with a joke and doesn't go "WoW YoUrE SO FUNNY". but instead of introducing us with a reaction or the full joke, it does introduce you with a punchline, and that single scene helps 1. Make guy look as charismatic. 2. get us into a really quick context of the scene. 3. Connects with gran and let's her know what a joke is. 4. foreshadows gran using a joke to connect with her family. and that only on a minute frame, wow that was really funny.

I think an easier way to word the messy theme of Barbara’s character is this: Aspiring to be hot and confident makes you a bad person.

@dapperdavid3193

3 жыл бұрын

Don't go to the gym, don't wear nice cloths and absolutely don't be confident in front of your colleagues

@oops6876

3 жыл бұрын

@@dapperdavid3193 NEVER take off your glasses nor let your hair down. It’s villainous.

@nyetzdyec3391

3 жыл бұрын

@@dapperdavid3193 Never, EVER, aspire to be all you can be... never aspire to self-improve.

@Bowserjr-wi4dn

3 жыл бұрын

@@nyetzdyec3391 This is an instance where joining the dark side is honestly the better option.

@stefansauvageonwhat-a-twis1369

3 жыл бұрын

Be quirky

I never got why Barbara's character went evil. II honestly have no idea what they were thinking when writing her arc. Moral of the story is if you are unattractive, insecure, socially awkward, just don't try to change because ... reasons?

@Neutral_Tired

3 жыл бұрын

that was her punishment for her wish, she lost her humanity

@j.b9218

3 жыл бұрын

(Edit: added spaces because this is near illegible otherwise lol) Same here, but I think it's her lack of a good motive to blame. Like, ok, from the start of the movie, she and Diana hit it off well when they meet. They're friendly to each other when they talk, and because of the atrocious dialogue, seem a little TOO friendly than what the writers were shooting for (I'm still bitter about that). But Barbara's fascination with Diana didn't clearly transition into jealousy and outright hostility when she got her superpowers. The movie largely ignores their dynamic in favor of focusing on Steve and Diana, like seriously if you cut her out of the movie entirely, the movie remains pretty much the exact same. She only inconveniences Diana from getting to the main villain as Barbara takes to protect him even though she arguably knows him LESS than she knows Diana through their acquaintanceship because the writers couldn't think of anything better to connect the two than "eh just throw 'em in a relationship". So, what real grudge does she have against Diana besides being jealous?? That by itself is such a stupid thing to motivate her because it just adds to stereotype that women will attack other women for the most minute things and aren't allowed to have a deeper motivation than "I wanted men to look at me instead of her". It's so dumb! And it makes me so pissed off.

@audreypasternak8270

3 жыл бұрын

@@Neutral_Tired Which sucks worse bc that robbed her of any agency. It would've been better had it compounded bitterness she was already harboring towards Diana and her situation. Something, anything to raise the personal stakes.

@kirbyfazendoummoonwalk9214

3 жыл бұрын

The Whole Moral of the Movie is bad "If your Life Sucks, Dont Wish for the best because its not gonna Happen"

@hariman7727

6 ай бұрын

The ATTEMPTED moral is that of "Don't try to be someone else, be a better you instead." But that's lost in "She made wishes to be the hero so now she's the villain... and probably dead."

How do I know the writers in this film didn't care? In 1984 there was an actual "invisible jet" called the U2 spy plane on display in the Smithsonian Institute. And guess what band also had a major album release in 1984...U2. The fact that the writers missed these obvious cultural touch points and went with WW rubbing her hands together to make the plane invisible (which would still make it detectable by radar) shows how little effort they put into writing this film.

I'm actually really glad I stumbled on this video when I did. I'm gearing up for a lil' bit of exposition for a DnD session and need to make sure it's engaging and leads to further insight and wrote in my notes a few bullet points on what to say. When you spoke about the "checklist" approach to writing I though I'd need to re-work how I lay out my notes, but the example you gave of naturally leading the conversation into another topic is something I've been doing since the very start, thank you for the insight, it's very reassuring.

Probably one of the most disappointing sequels of all time. How they went from the first film to THIS is beyond me

@purpleplanetary

3 жыл бұрын

All the good writers left, no joke. It was written by the director and another bad writer smh

@sunsetskye483

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed. The first one was actually good

@nyahnyahson523

3 жыл бұрын

@@purpleplanetary Ah, so Hollywood putting all the success on the director as usual instead of the writers

@hrdkorebp

3 жыл бұрын

In the first one they just copied what Captain America first avenger did.

@erenerikci3263

3 жыл бұрын

The sequel has no Zack Snyder

I actually wrote a little skeleton of a story when I was 14 where the villain’s goal was: "I’m going to destroy the universe." But even I was considerate enough to give him a motivation and a reason and a plan and a backstory. Boy, how these writers fucked up...

@DoomguyIsGrinningAtYou.

3 жыл бұрын

Was the villian self aware of the fact he was trapped within a fictional story, so he decides to do everything in his power to fight 'you' the writer and destroy everything you made?

@golden.fire.princess9653

3 жыл бұрын

@@DoomguyIsGrinningAtYou. I would love to read that

@DoomguyIsGrinningAtYou.

3 жыл бұрын

@@golden.fire.princess9653 "Deadpool kills the marvel univeres" comes to mind.

@Pablo360able

3 жыл бұрын

I had an idea once for a story where the villain wants to destroy the sun because, and I quote: “I don't know if it'll help in any way, but I'll never know unless I try.” That would have been more believable.

@shihoblade

3 жыл бұрын

@@DoomguyIsGrinningAtYou. reminds me of a story called omniscient reader. The characters are forced to risk their lives to maintain the entertainment of the gods. The reader is encouraged to hate the gods until you realize you are one of the gods in question. If the the story bores you, you stop reading, and the universe simply fades away. That story is very interesting in how they approach audience vs participant.

The part with the guys being "creepy" I felt like that's what she was trying to say, but some of them sounded awful but some of them were just talking to her and not doing anything wrong. Plus, she's super strong so why is she so intimidated by the men.