I like how this video is not propaganda and it actually recognises that the Soviets are a real and present danger.

@antonionegron3230

10 ай бұрын

Lmao

@matthewjones39

2 ай бұрын

@@antonionegron3230What’s so funny?

@sdhubbard

Ай бұрын

Yeah most of the American videos on the Soviets seem to take them very, very seriously. I'm not entirely sure about the Soviet videos on the Americans.

Hi I'm Troy Mclure, you might remember me from army training videos such as.....

@mrichar9

4 жыл бұрын

You may remember me from such military films as "Has anyone seen my grenade pins?" And " Don't Ask, Don't Tell the drill sergeant."

@cgustafson240

4 жыл бұрын

@@mrichar9 you forgot "what is this drip" 😂

@ricardoaguirre6126

4 жыл бұрын

😄😄😄

@cascadianrangers728

10 күн бұрын

Rofl now I can't unhear it

The Russo-Ukrainian war is proving that knowledge of proper combined arms is crucial and that these tactics are still relevant to this day

@matthewjones39

6 ай бұрын

Who thought it wasn’t?

@thecoolestofthe834s2

4 ай бұрын

@@matthewjones39 nato obviously

"Our tank round is about 10% slower, but were working on that!" Haha, like that comforts anyone.

@roguevector1268

7 жыл бұрын

Low velocity tank rounds are better suited for killing fortifications (you can pack more explosives into a shell as high velocity rounds need thicker casings for the stress of high speeds). Its less a 'we can't make a high speed shell' and more 'we want to balance our tank's ability to engage both fortifications AND other tanks', among other factors.

@madigorfkgoogle9349

7 жыл бұрын

the issue here is that he was talking about high velocity AP rounds. The fortifications are attacked with HE rounds not AP. Those high velocity AP rounds do not have casings, its a very simple "metal dart" not hollow charge full of explosives.

@RonJohn63

7 жыл бұрын

_Haha, like that comforts anyone._ Why shouldn't it?

@mamurshed1

6 жыл бұрын

Julius yes abrams has 105 and 120 while the soviet has 115 and 125 mm but wasn’t that good in the gulf war

@aaronquak2139

6 жыл бұрын

It was later discovered that Soviet metallurgy at that time couldn't produce hard-enough penetrators, which would shatter more easily than Western APFSDS ammunition. Of course, the M60A1 wasn't that well armoured.

wow he really predicted at 12:40 that future battlefield will be some urban city in the middle East

I love the old uniforms & equipment,good times!

While stationed in W. Germany with the US Army in the mid-80's, our unit's fighting life expectancy was 4 hrs. Even then, the lethality of combat had almost doubled from what this probably mid-70's video shows.

@LUCNUKEM

6 жыл бұрын

friendofcoal Yeah conventional war between 2 modern enemies is just a giant meat grinder. The casualties would be astronomical & nowhere near sustainable. A good book to check out on the subject would be Red Thrust by Stephen Zaloga, written in 89.

@cascadianrangers728

10 күн бұрын

4 hours is a long time comparatively, units in the Fulda gap and stuff must have only been expected to last minutes, boy I'm sure glad things never went hot

This is no doubt outdated, but the way we fight with mechanized armor and infantry is still similar

@tangocharliedd-2146

5 жыл бұрын

That's why as an officer I watched this video they used different weapon but the used are still the same

@tangocharliedd-2146

5 жыл бұрын

The think we should studied after this it's learning uav tactis

@brig.gen.georgiiisserson7226

5 жыл бұрын

No this video is still very relevant to modern warfare

@nickysimi9866

4 жыл бұрын

This is relevant to conventional warfare imo

@luket1085

3 жыл бұрын

@ultrabaiter In the pacific its a different story altogether.

"Capt. Shultz, pass me The Penatrater."

"Sovee-yet"

@grimfist_one

3 жыл бұрын

Sovee-yeet

By the time this film was made, T-64 was already in full service, and even with all of the inherent issues it suffered, it was the best tank of its era.

@sufimuslimlion4114

4 жыл бұрын

Ok but they weren’t the main armored force that the Us would face that the time... Even if the roles were reversed the US M1 May have possibly been introduced at this time or shortly after - it would still not be the main armored force but that applies way more when facing soviet armor since soviets were overwhelmingly larger their in their armored force

@nicgur_6981

Жыл бұрын

Auto loader go boom

@BigSmartArmed

Жыл бұрын

@@nicgur_6981 only when hit from the side

@cascadianrangers728

10 күн бұрын

One of the best tanks of all time, bleeding edge, at least on paper

@cascadianrangers728

10 күн бұрын

​​@@sufimuslimlion4114holy shit if they made the t64 their main battle tank the Soviet Union would have gone bankrupt and that's the '70s for sure, wasn't it like 3x the cost of a t72

I love these "America, Fuck Yea!" era films. I consider myself privileged to have been a kid during the '80's when we said the pledge of allegiance first thing in school, the Soviets were the 'evil empire' and Reagan built up our military to a cutting edge after a serious post-Vietnam slump. It seems we've lost our 'can do' optimistic outlook and now have this deep rooted cynicism for anything that makes us feel remotely patriotic.

@tomservo5347

8 жыл бұрын

Stevo Reno Cool. Thanks for the tip. Seems like all of Western civilization is under demoralization.

@cascadianrangers728

10 күн бұрын

That's the thing tho...why bother with a can-do attitude when the people before you have done everything and there's basically nothing serious left to do! You all left some seriously big shoes to fill, thank you for all of your hard work

I like how they haven't considered Soviet artillery; despite it being outlined in the 'Soviet Battle Manual', as the primary means of attack!

@cascadianrangers728

10 күн бұрын

It gets it's own episode, so do aircraft

7:06 “don’t let them see you” Real sound advice there, Eisenhower. Maybe we ought to wear camouflage, oh wait!!

I like how they manage to respect their ennemies, that what makes us army number 1

@mcsmash4905

3 жыл бұрын

ye you gotta be careful no matter what cause theory is always nice when it comes to tactics and doctrine but the enemy might just throw a wrench at you

This video despite being outdated is way better then SSD

Thanks for sharing this video. Great format and very interesting subject.

I've been looking for these kinds of videos, thanks. Subbed.

Priceless both for it's camp quality but also as a time capsule in terms of what was understood, developed or where we assumed warfare might go - I love this stuff 👍🍻🇨🇦

Ahh yes the dragon! First generation thermal ! Anyone remember carrying a 3rd pack with just batteries and coolant bottles

@cascadianrangers728

10 күн бұрын

That sounds heavy AF, I'm glad I have no memories and never did that! Worse or better than TOW? Tow was also 'man portable '

great video thank you for uploading this

These vodeo's are brilliant!! Haha even some of the music isnt bad, the soviet atgm video about .40 secs in was quite catchy!

'76 huh, already dated but still pertinent in many ways. I wonder how much fuel a modern formation uses per day/per mile?

that little suitcase missile goddamn WW3 in the 80s would have been wild as shit

I love this material

928 never saw a muzzle brake like that before very good video I love all the old stuff

Love the intro!

The only thing that bothers me is that they were not talking about soviet top of line equipment of those days. In 1976 the soviets had much more advanced antitank missiles AT-4 and AT-5. They also had the T-64 and T-72 a generation ahead of T-62 and M60 tank. Another thing that was omitted was the Soviet Artillery, which was extremely destructive.

@revolrz22

8 жыл бұрын

It's a half hour video that aims to serve as a single part of a training regimen regarding the bulk of the Russian forces. The T-64 was not formally revealed until the 70s, and it was not the mainstay at any point during its service life.

@LokiG36

8 жыл бұрын

Oddball I agree, but why didn't they mention what to do with soviet artillery. Shells (mortars and heavier artillery) would be raining down on the attacking force and any other reinforcements that are coming from behind.

@revolrz22

8 жыл бұрын

LokiG36 You can ask that question about a lot of things. Why didn't they mention what to do about enemy air defenses? Why didn't they mention what to do in the event of enemy air attack? So on, and so on. It's a half hour video and one part of a series of videos that, together, serve as a part of a training system. You don't open a text book and get everything laid out to you in chapter one.

@cascadianrangers728

10 күн бұрын

Artillery gets it's whole own episode, so do aircraft, and air defense

Aside from the actual content of the video interesting to see the chaps all wearing ERDL tropical uniform, for those who served was this common in the 1970s?

@mikes5687

3 жыл бұрын

Yea they were called bdu (battle dress uniform) my dad served from 1970 to 1997 when he died of cancer and they had bdu's starting in mid 70's I believe

@RiflemanMoore

3 жыл бұрын

The uniform shown in the video predates BDU, it's the Vietnam era tropical combat uniform in ERDL camouflage.

@HO-bndk

3 жыл бұрын

@@RiflemanMoore Maybe to give the film longevity with the M81 uniform almost ready for general issue? In the actual "battle reenactments" they are all wearing OGs. You sometimes would see trials kit being used in British training films for that reason.

It's refreshing to see a video so cleansed of stereotypical American idiocy and recklessness - total respect, even admiration, for their enemy. That's the makings a professional army.

@Trypartisan

8 жыл бұрын

this is back when Americans had a real enemy to fight.

@VT-mw2zb

7 жыл бұрын

Well, these are by professionals for professionals. The professionals are a lot more pessimistic than the politicians; though it's the latter who need to sell the war to the public. If you look at, for eg, Master and PhD thesis by modern American officers, the warrior-scholar of today, they shows the American military still has some intellectual strains to it.

@greencommander9760

7 жыл бұрын

I think the stereotypical idiocy and recklessness are more closely associated with Hollywood than the Pentagon.

@TheLoyalOfficer

7 жыл бұрын

Plenty of idiocy at the Pentagon!

@revolrz22

6 жыл бұрын

You must have met an American once on the internet who happened to say something silly, and now you're painting every piece of American media with the same brush. Shame on you. American wartime training videos, even the hokey ones from back in the 40s, tend to show respect to the enemy and their equipment.

Sergeant Major's hair, holy shit. And I think that's CPT America at 1:38. Other than that, great video. Glad I watched it voluntarily rather than being forced to in my Army days

5 seconds into seeing audio and footage .... oooh this is gonna be good. *saved *

Sat through this twice in my career.

great strategy guide for RTS :)

Really great production, well filmed, written, maybe not the best acted, but they're not filming actors

These guys are so damn cool

The cheese on this video. god damn

15:00 For a second I thought the officer went bonkers and was about to strangle a soldier.

awesome! where can i find more or all of these "how to fight" videos?

@HistoryCollectorsForum

9 жыл бұрын

decimated550 Stay tuned to my channel as I'll be uploading more of them.

@decimated550

9 жыл бұрын

Cool. I eat this stuff up. I've always been interested by the WW3 scenario and was a crew chief of the prime bird of the USAF, the F15. The two best books on WW3 are Red Army, an utter masterpiece, and Red Storm Rising. These videos you've uploaded are haunting reminders of how it might have been.

@AndrewTubbiolo

8 жыл бұрын

+decimated550 Ever find it a bit strange that we're spending ourselves broke fighting religious nut cases hiding in caves than we were getting ready for WWIII?

@jeffreyskoritowski4114

8 жыл бұрын

+decimated550 If you like those books you should try to find Team Yankee. It tells a story of world war 3 from a tank heavy company task force.

@decimated550

8 жыл бұрын

i have it - the comic book too, which is super rare

Guess I’m ready for red dragon now

A few yrs before my time. Same equipment. That short barreled 8 inch was gone the long barreled was here.OD green to BDU ,steel pot to Kevlar. ETS 85

Sargent Major is still the guy you wanna listen to, he the true leader of an outfit.

@cascadianrangers728

10 күн бұрын

Ya sgt maj knows whats up but in my experience they aren't really the talkative type, but when they do speak it's the law and you better listen

It's so refreshing to see a video which is not made by American propaganda.

@rre9121

8 жыл бұрын

*facepalm*

@raulkiss9124

8 жыл бұрын

Are you sure about that? You call this "not propagandistic"..........

@potatopotato8360

7 жыл бұрын

Its respecting and admiring the enemy.

@majungasaurusaaaa

7 жыл бұрын

It's not propaganda. This is a teaching vid for troops.

@possiblyadickhead6653

6 жыл бұрын

majungasaurusaaaa it has a somewhat propaganda thing it s goal is to strengthen the morality of the soldiers although telling them that their military Tec is inferior

These old Vulcan carriers were so cool. They got completely obsoleted by the Stinger missile, afaik.

I never thought I'd watch Freddy Mercury and the Village People debate Soviet weaponry in the middle of a forest.

23:19 Good camo!

Maybe some of the new equipment for the Soviets of the era not mentioned in the film was somewhat mysterious to the West. Right now I found photos of a British intel report from 1978, mentioning the tank ( suspected to be the T-72 ) in large numbers with Soviet forces in Sept/Oct 1976 in East Germany. Later the determination was that the tank was the T-64.

KZread algorithm sent me this masterpiece

The M60 is the most formidable looking battle tank of all time.

@FN_FAL_4_ever

Жыл бұрын

I love the Patton too, but I wouldn’t want to crew one when you have to face the newer generation of Spigot, Spandrel, and Spiral anti-tank missiles.

@u.s.militia7682

Жыл бұрын

@@FN_FAL_4_ever exactly. I was talking about looks only. It looks meaner than any other armor, and it used to be, but it isn’t.

@cascadianrangers728

10 күн бұрын

Idk id rate it even with the tiger 1, they are both pants browningly scarry looking to me! All around tho the Patton has graceful curves like a late muscle car, it looks phenomenal and the tiger 1 is ugly in a LOT of ways

Holy fuck that SgtMaj was in the second world war, so cool.

I want that soundtrack :D

I wonder if the Soviets had instructive videos like this

@boumostafa

8 жыл бұрын

They had videos and catalogs and some reviews for western guns this days

@Ocodo

7 жыл бұрын

They did.

@5anjuro

4 жыл бұрын

We did. The magazine "Zarubezhnoye Voyennoye Obozreniye" (Foreign Military Review) was in open circulation, anyone could subscribe to it. I remember reading in the late 1980s about the latest small arms development like micro-Uzi, Lynx and Defender helicopters, Merkawa tanks etc etc cool stuff. If regular citizens could read about foreign military kit, there's little doubt specialists had access to Jane's publications and internally produced videos. The Soviets were somehow fascinated with the Israelis, the US-Israel military cooperation, that whole thing. To this day, the phrase "amerikano-izrayelskaya voyenschina" (American-Israeli military circles) triggers chuckles among post-Soviet dudes.

@Grimenoughtomaketherobotcry

4 жыл бұрын

Tons of East German training films on YT. Type NVA-National Volks Armee

@jurisprudens

3 жыл бұрын

Soviet 1989 helicopter tactic video kzread.info/dash/bejne/rJh8l82MmNnficY.html

"No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms, forever. There is no power in the universe greater than the need for freedom." - G'Kar Americans discovered this in Vietnam, too bad they forgot it, especially since their ancestors taught it to the british.

@stasbyelov2100

9 жыл бұрын

***** it all depends on circumstances, type of battlefield, objectives etc and many more. Have you forgot 'Nam?

@lobsterbark

8 жыл бұрын

+Zamolxes77 Except we never tried to hold Vietnam, we just killed insurgents without holding ground.

@Alex-lc6jv

7 жыл бұрын

you really must be private joker if you think our goal wasn't to wipe vietnam completely off the map. Dropped more bombs (7 million tons) on that rain forest of a country than all of WW2 combined. take into account the advancement of technology and lethality of the strikes and you end up with a country that was and still is as decimated as it would have had we dropped nukes. But for obvious reasons we could not do that, so it became the largest air campaign in military history. Had to use that massive budget somehow right?

@MrChickennugget360

6 жыл бұрын

That is a stupid quote. History of American Indians and the Mongols prove otherwise. If all you can point to is Vietnam you need to do more historic research.

@MrChickennugget360

6 жыл бұрын

"no power in the universe greater than the need for freedom" i guess this guy never saw a super nova

Yes, total lack of mention of the massive arty bombardment that would precede a Soviet attack (with probably the odd chemical munition thrown in for chuckles too).

" What can be seen can be hit... What can be hit can be killed."

always scary to think we were that close to fighting the Soviet army. unless nukes were finally used, I don't think a war like that would end within a decade. the kill tally would have dwarfed WWII and made it look like a cake walk...

@broncosgjn

7 жыл бұрын

Yes. In fact the Soviets were planning to use tactical nukes from day one. That was the battle plan. This was revealed after the fall of the Soviet Union and the release of the Soviet files. They did not intend to use strategic nukes but for example they planned an amphibious flank invasion of Denmark to draw away NATO reserves. 500 tactical nukes were to be used in that battle alone. scary right? They calculated that The USA would not go Strategic nuclear over battlefield nuclear release.

@Paciat

7 жыл бұрын

Im from Poland. In WWIII my countrys role was to secure enough river crossings on the Oder river for our Soviet "allies" when the US tactical nukes hit normal bridges to stop the Soviet armored armored waves. Then the Polish army would be used for low priority roles - to take Denmark. Poland was a puppet state so that kind of planning was fine with "our" generals.

@broncosgjn

7 жыл бұрын

Paciat People of the current generation forget how deadly serious this all was.

@williammontroy9024

6 ай бұрын

There was no way this wouldn’t have gone nuclear . The Soviet’s had many plans most of them involved using tactical nuclear strikes and nato was upfront about plans to use nukes first once pact forces reached a certain point . And these are plans we are aware of

when the m61 Vulcan fired in the video, to me it sounded like someone doing a atomic fart

No battle plan survives the first contact with the enemy

@wanshwakharbani7307

4 жыл бұрын

@Andy the Malevolent if that is not a part of a battle plan than what do u call guide on how to fight a tank

@dudududu1926

Жыл бұрын

I'm 14 and this is deep.

They forgot to mention how many rads your body will be absorbing from the theatre and tactical nukes being lobbed by everyone and his brother. I hear radiation can't tell which side's uniform you're wearing.

For everyone wondering why they didn't mention certain Soviet kit it's because it's a secret and America didn't actually know about this stuff at the time!

They wear BDU and I see some M1 abrams in the video, this must be recorded in the 80.

@noface4176

4 жыл бұрын

No at the end it says 76’ and no they aren’t wearing BDUs I only spotted RDF and ERDL

Yup when I was in a mechanized infantry we had M60a1 tanks and M113s ...I was a dragon gunner ! 11BC2!!!

@cascadianrangers728

10 күн бұрын

M60 was a freaking beast, m113 I am less enthusiastic about but is also with a doubt single-handedly the most comfortable military vehicle I've ever been in

@baekdutiger631

4 күн бұрын

@@cascadianrangers728 ;op It was an aluminum casket with a track

I didn't know that Liberace did Army training videos. Hmmm

22:14 does anyone appreciate how *low* that hull down aspect of the BMP is? only 4 feet it seems. that would have made them very difficult to see and hit had we gone on the attack

Everyone of them needs a haircut. Semper Fi

Fun fact: the uniforms are the beginning are ERDL not BDU.

@cascadianrangers728

10 күн бұрын

I legit thought it was just an awful recording quality

Is Part II available?

Gotta say, the production value of these older film are so good.

Proud of EgyptiAn Army

"i don't even wanna think about what that steel going a mile a second would do to a tank" "you'd better sergeant" "have you not heard that expression before you fucking gomer?"

The Americans were damn scared of two weapons at that point in time! the Soviet Sagger Anti-Tank Missiles and the SAMs ..like SA- 2, SA-3, SA-4, SA-5 and etc. The Arab-Israeli war of 1973 changed the entire perspective of modern ground warfare for once and for all!

ALL of that without a SINGLE cuss word????

I’m watching this to get better at Wargame European Escalation lol

hey, hey, hey that's me...................................

4:41 I belive he meant depleted uranium

@MrChickennugget360

2 жыл бұрын

he did not. because its a T-62 Sabot and they were never made of DU.

Are they wearing ERDL or woodland?

@noface4176

4 жыл бұрын

ERDL and RDF

The sagger was deadly but a simple smoke screen would render it useless

@madigorfkgoogle9349

7 жыл бұрын

but you have to remember that smoke screen made them blind both. Hard to use TOW at 3000m if you dont see sht.

@Herberberber

7 жыл бұрын

MadIgor FKGoogle True, but a weakness of the sagger is when fired it gives its position away. so a smoke screen paired with local arty on the sagger position is a great counter. i think the isralies defeated it with this tactic

@RonJohn63

7 жыл бұрын

_smoke screen made them blind both_ That's what IR goggles are for.

@Herberberber

7 жыл бұрын

RonJohn63 IR has never been standard issue for soviet infantry

@tankolad

7 жыл бұрын

All missile systems give away their position when fired to some extent. The sagger is completely typical. It isn't a weakness in any way. How fast can the arty respond? You need to have seen where the sagger launched from in the first place, and if you put a smokescreen between it and yourself, you can't exactly take a long hard look at where it came from. You also couldn't use your rangefinder in that case, again, because of the smoke. So you had to make a guess of where it is, find it on your map, and then contact artillery HQ to get them to put a few shots there. Assuming that they are just sitting there picking their noses, how long will they take to confirm the request, aim at their new target and fire? The Sagger takes 23 seconds to travel 3 km, so if you are within its engagement envelope, you have 23 seconds at best to do all of that. Plus, if you deploy a smokescreen, you broadcast your position to everyone, including helicopters. And when you deploy a smokescreen, you have to stay behind it, so you are a stationary target. What if the Rooskis decide to call artillery on your smokescreen?

11:59 food for thought mmhmm

Excuse me sir, When you pick up the RPG. get your fucking finger off the trigger, roger?

@BROperatorTIME

7 жыл бұрын

+Lukas Yanni sorry I forgot that dummies are perfect for showing poor trigger discipline.

@Tezcax

7 жыл бұрын

In the past they didn't give a fuck about it, I wonder how many accidents happened

Классно было на бумаге,но забыли про овраги. А овраги такие,что основа С.А СССР в бою тогда ,это АРТИЛЛЕРИЯ всех видов ,ТАНКИ и мощная ПВО !!!

*MY KIND OF CARTOONS*

THIS GUY GOT THE SPIRIT!!! I WANA KILL TANKS!!!

"this war is gonna be more deadly than ever!" that was stupid to say even in that time period. Troop concentrations were waaay less than they were in WWII battles. In general, the further you go back in time, the more concentrated units would have been because of communication and firepower restrictions, this is what made the American Civil war so deadly. A modern war isnt even half as dangerous as a war at the turn of the 20th century, it was a bloodbath back then.

@noface4176

4 жыл бұрын

Ehh

@MrChickennugget360

2 жыл бұрын

deadly is not just a matter of people on the battlefield but also how deadly the weapons are. The main point of this video was to hammer home how lethal modern weapons were becoming and why team work between arms is so important.

@Flamechr

2 жыл бұрын

@@MrChickennugget360 jep Ukraine is displaying that to the fullest atm

M1 Abram 100%accuracy

could it be any cheesier?

@808INFantry11X

6 жыл бұрын

Jesse Dean sometimes cheesy works I know I found myself receptive to such presentations beets a boring power point where you are struggling to stay awake rather then learn something.

14:56 The Battle of 73 Easting!!!

By chance there are Soviet films on the same theme?

Yeah they later found out artillery also beats armour

The LAAW could not penetrate the T72 armor...

If you are watching this and wore this uniform you need to book a colonoscopy

this had to be filmed no later than 1980, no mention of the M1 Abrams I'm pretty sure this was before the air-land battle doctrine. *1976 this is practically ancient...

@torbai

5 жыл бұрын

This video was following the criticized 1976 doctrine which in fact was the prelude to the air-land battle. If you have read the FM 100-5, Operations, 1976, you would find that this video revealed the manual very well.

looks like Vietnam war era they already 30 rounder m16a1

@majorborngusfluunduch8694

6 жыл бұрын

Ceasar Nero 1976

Kasserine

This is a real art of war we respect and not understimate our enemy's but we have positive thinking to destroyed our enemy's coz we are the best

Meanwhile in WT Not full ace crew : 1 in whole damn ammo JK

Сооl filмs

Look at these hippies! Get a haircut!

@pinz2022

9 жыл бұрын

Seamus "Lighten up, Francis."

@IrishCarney

4 жыл бұрын

Get a load of how shaggy the East Germans were. I just can't get over their big floppy hair. A totalitarian, goose stepping, funny helmeted German army with literally jackbooted officers - but a long way from high and tight.

Sorry, but I know several guys who could hit targets using the Malyutka (9M14, AT3) at ranges well under 500m. In fact, it is very dangerous to use it at long range because the missile is very slow.

So dated, yet somehow so present, with the concepts still standing true in Ukraine

The people who made the game "World in Conflict" must have seen this.

@vaultsuit

9 жыл бұрын

bigchunk1 why?

@bigchunk1

9 жыл бұрын

vaultsuit The game is played using a lot of the tactics expressed in this video.

@strangeperson700

8 жыл бұрын

also wargame air land battle.