Hey Marc, once again a great video. I only use a naked portafilter. As I always get an even extraction (also because of the distribution tool you recommended) I have no issues with a messy espresso. I feel like the bottomless portafilter gives me a more honest espresso and is of course way easier to clean. Another good side affect is that I can always have an eye on the extraction.

@Wholelattelovepage

4 жыл бұрын

Hi Jonas, Thanks for the comment. Also thank you for participating and offering excellent advice to others in the comments! I try to respond to every comment personally. As the channel has grown it's become a lot more time consuming so I appreciate your input! Marc

Excellent summary. Very helpful. I have found that different coffee roasts expand in the puck different amounts during and after extraction. Some will aggressively expand after extraction and push against the screen if the portafilter is not immediately removed after extraction. In this case a shower screen impression on the coffee puck is not an indication that you are using too much coffee. If I am using a coffee that does this, using an additional mesh screen prevents this from being an issue. Also, as Mark said, if you are using too much coffee and the coffee expands and pushes against the machine screen during extraction, the limited number of holes in the machine's screen can cause chanelling to occur. Using an additional mesh screen guards against this also.

You shoved a ton of information in such a short video. Well done.

@Wholelattelovepage

16 күн бұрын

Hey pm, Thanks for the comment! Marc

Wow so much fantastic info! Every time I watch one of these amazing videos my coffee making improves. Thank you!! xx

@Wholelattelovepage

4 жыл бұрын

Hi AT, You are welcome and thank you for the kind comment! Marc

I start about 3 years ago with the bottomless portaflters and that's the way I really learn my tamping pressure, nice vidéo, thanks

@Wholelattelovepage

4 жыл бұрын

Hi Normand, You are welcome and thank you for the comment! I prefer those sexy naked extractions too! Marc

Wow this video has a TON of comments and replies! Love your stuff Marc. Thanks for posting all of your vast knowledge out there for all of us getting in to this! My comment is that the single and double outlet portafilters which came with my machine wouldn't fit an 18g basket (height) so I had to buy a naked one to fit my machine. It's a bummer because the handle doesn't match the others, but I'll get over it I suppose.

Hi Marc, greetings from Brazil! I just bought a new espresso machine (Breville Infuser Espresso) and I'm learning a lot from your channel! Thank you for the great videos!! Please keep them coming :-)

@Wholelattelovepage

4 жыл бұрын

Hi LE, Greetings from currently snowy and cold North East US! Congrats on your new machine and thanks for your kind comments. We will keep the videos coming! Marc

The videos have gotten next level. Good work team

@Wholelattelovepage

4 жыл бұрын

Hi Jay, Thanks for the comment - it's appreciated! Marc

Thanks for another great video. Being in the UK I would rarely shop at WLL but appreciate these videos 😎

@Wholelattelovepage

4 жыл бұрын

Hi Dan, You are welcome and thank you for the comment! Marc

Moving to a bottomless was the best thing I did and I learnt a lot! It’s all I use now!

@Wholelattelovepage

4 жыл бұрын

Hi Daniel, Thanks for the comment - also 1st! Bottomless PF's help a lot! Marc

@danielwilson6260

4 жыл бұрын

Also, changed from stock to an IMS basket and screen on my Profitec Pro500 PID - makes everything from extraction to cleaning all that much better! Love your videos and information, keep up the good work!

@wa8dpv

4 жыл бұрын

Marc. I got a bottomless portafilter with triple basket from cream. It doesn’t want to go all the way into my Expobar Office Control. I thought that this was the right portafilter when I bought it. Help. Bruce

@Wholelattelovepage

4 жыл бұрын

Daniel Wilson Will keep it up 😂 The shower screen is amazing! Smooth, smooth flow. Marc

@Wholelattelovepage

4 жыл бұрын

@@wa8dpv Which triple basket make/model do you have? Marc

I love this guy. Enthusiasm and expertise.

@Wholelattelovepage

3 жыл бұрын

Hi TLV, Thanks a whole latte for your comment! That guy - Marc

Absolutely awesome channel Marc. Your level of perfection and extensive knowledge is unique. I wish you sold to the uk

@Wholelattelovepage

4 жыл бұрын

Hi Eliiot, Thanks so much for your kind comment. I hear from a lot of you from across the pond! Maybe we'll open a UK branch someday! Marc

@layas8690

3 жыл бұрын

@@Wholelattelovepage Would love to have you here in Canada as well.

The bottomless portafilter was one of my best byes. Not using it anymore, but I have learned a lot through it.

@Wholelattelovepage

3 жыл бұрын

Hi e, Thanks for sharing your experience def a good learning tool! Marc

@eralasch

Жыл бұрын

Using it again. Can't resist the temptation of watching the process of extrusion.-)

@bysyenna5355

9 ай бұрын

What size porta filter can I use with my ultima cosa ?

Good hints. I'll have to look into the bottomless portafilters. Until this viewing I'd never heard of them.

@Wholelattelovepage

4 жыл бұрын

Hi Richard, Thanks for the comment! Marc

Thank you Marc, I learned a lot from you.

@Wholelattelovepage

4 жыл бұрын

Hi Nasser, You are welcome and thank you for the comment! Marc

I'm hailing your attempts to change what manufacturers deliver w/ new machine. Espresso industry, on one hand, is willing to adopt new tech - PIDs and flow control have quickly made their way into machines we use, but no one has been brave enough to break habit of supplying spouted PF's when bottomless clearly is a winner for all mentioned reasons plus bottom of PF and spouts is where coffee residue stays after shot and requires regular cleaning with a detergent. As for baskets, these days I mostly drink americano and 20g basket is a minimum I'm willing to use. I can accept if anyone is drinking 7 espressos a day out of 7 dose, though, as long as they aren't forcing me to follow. Diversity is good!

@Wholelattelovepage

4 жыл бұрын

Hi Event 42, Thanks for your comment and support! With the long history of espresso in Italy change can be slow. A few manufacturers of prosumer level machines like Rocket Espresso have started to include bottomless PFs in their high-end products while still including the single spout. Rocket and ECM now include a real tamper with some machines - does anyone use the plastic tampers that come with many machines? I know people are pulling singles in some parts of the world, but as mentioned in the video I don't know anyone in the US who does. Here they are a waste. Including a bottomless instead would be enticing to buyers here. They probably cost less to make and weigh less to ship! We work closely with manufacturers to bring innovations based on feedback from comments here and from customers. A few from the past: Best in class 2 bar steam boiler pressure in ECM Synchronika, Profitec Pro 700 and 600, design concept of the dual boiler Expobar Brewtus with heat exchange in steam boiler feeding the brew boiler, flow control mushroom valve for ECM/Profitec E61 groups, shorter bean hoppers on a variety of grinders to fit under typical overhanging cabinetry and more. We listen and pass comments and requests to manufacturers. We sometimes take things into our own hands. We now offer custom walnut wood accents on many Rocket Espresso machines. As part of the package we include a bottomless PF and triple basket with the wood knobs, group lever and PF handles. Be sure I will pass on your opinions! Thanks, Marc

@event4216

4 жыл бұрын

Marc, we all know terrible truth about single spout PF's - they require a dedicated tamping stand, which costs extra and what's worse - takes up valuable counter space! BL PF can be tamped almost anywhere and for most of people they are easier to hold level than spouted PF's without stand holding PF firmly in place. Shops like WWL easily convince to order from them, offering expertise and knowledge which is plays big role as no machine itself is capable of producing excellent coffee. Pity I'm not in USA!

Hey Mark, great video! I have the Delonghi Espresso Icona Eco 311.W and I want to make the best coffee I can from that machine since I can't buy a new one! I bought a grinder and a tamper, coffee beans and now I am looking to replace the basket but I can't figure out what basket to buy for that machine.

Your videos are awesome Mark!

@Wholelattelovepage

10 ай бұрын

Hey 1972, Thanks a whole latte for the comment! Marc

Just received my bottomless and it is amazing.

@Wholelattelovepage

2 жыл бұрын

Hi n, So fun! Marc

great video! can i use a non-pressurised filter basket on my at home appliance? it came with pressurised filter baskets thanks

I have been binge watching your channel hopefully going to pick a machine out and order one. Not sure what one yet maybe the Gaggia Classic or just go all in and so i don't regret it later.

@Wholelattelovepage

4 жыл бұрын

I adam, Thanks for the comment and watching! Good luck on your decision. If in US and you'd like one on one advice from a coffee pro to get into the right machine for your needs give us a call at 585-924-7170. Marc

this is literally so helpful!!!!! i just bought a espresso machine today!

@Wholelattelovepage

3 жыл бұрын

Hey BV, Thanks for the comment! Marc

Marc, do I have to step up my equipment to try the bottomless baskets? I’m using a Brim 19 Bar machine with a 54mm handle Thanks

Great video cheers from London England 👍😎🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿🇬🇧

@Wholelattelovepage

Жыл бұрын

Hi A, Thanks for the comment! Marc

brilliant content as usual!

@Wholelattelovepage

3 жыл бұрын

Hey c, Much appreciated! Marc

thank you so much for the great review I visited the website whole latte and ims webbsite for the shower screen and baskets. But got lost and didn't know what to purchase. What would you recommend to buy for my rancilio silva pro x ? (looking for sahower screen with triple and double shots and thank you so much

thank you for the great video, very informative !

@Wholelattelovepage

3 жыл бұрын

Glad it was helpful! Marc

Nice video. I don't have any questions, just wanted to say I hadn't come across that rounded basket before. I may need to get my bottomless some curves

@Wholelattelovepage

4 жыл бұрын

Hi DP, Thanks for the comment. Round bottom does help bring bottomless shots to a single stream. Marc

Hey Mark, I'm using my breville barista touch which has 54mm portafilter. I want to ask, can I use more than 18g dose to dial in my espresso or do I keep my dose at 18g and change grind size?

Fantastic ! Really pertinent Information..thank you !!! Is there a machine that comes with a maximum equipment what is suggested and is it compatible with the baskets that you recommend?

@Wholelattelovepage

4 жыл бұрын

Hi Eric, All of our Rocket Espresso machines with custom walnut wood accents ship with a bottomless portafilter and a triple shot 22g Baritapro Nanotech filter basket in addition to single and double spout portafilters and matching filter baskets. Like this Rocket R58: www.wholelattelove.com/products/rocket-espresso-r58-with-wood-accents Also available on the Appartamento, Type V and Evo R Rocket machines. Marc

Thanks Marc for all these videos and patience to answer every question. Do you need tamper station to level and tamp expresso with bottomless portafilter? There no spouts at the bottom of portafilter to sit when tamping esp. if one uses newer nano baskets (they are curved at bottom)? Does one damages basket over time. I am assuming curved shape will be flat over time?

@Wholelattelovepage

4 жыл бұрын

Hi Acorn, You are welcome... I love answering the questions and helping others! You do not have to have a tamping station for bottomless PFs. I often just put the circular basket containing portion on the edge of a counter with the handle hanging off then level and tamp away! You can use a tamping station if desired, but not required IMO. Use a rubber mat or similar to protect counter from repetitive use damage if needed. The Baristapro NT baskets are flat bottom. Depending on size used and specific portafilter most do not extend beyond the bottom edge of the PF. We do have (and I use occasionally) IMS Competition baskets with curved bottoms like this one: www.wholelattelove.com/products/ims-curved-bottom-precision-portafilter-basket-18-22g With some PFs the bottom of the basket may extend slightly beyond the bottom edge but it's relatively rare. Hope that helps! Marc

Love the videos, always a place for me to look for product knowledge and expand it. I am having issues with my IMS 18g basket, getting rain drops effect instead of a single stream of coffee.. Any guidance on what I am doing wrong?

@Wholelattelovepage

Жыл бұрын

Hey neo, Thanks for the love! Sounds like you're doing bottomless extractions and espresso is not coming together into 1 stream? My guess is grind size issue. I can imagine raindrops if grind is too fine so the extraction is very slow. Flow rate out of the bottom is so slow there's not enough liquid for surface tension to bring the flow together. Can also imagine grind is too course so flow is far too fast and watery. If you have a scale you can weigh the extraction. You're looking for about 36g of espresso in 25-30 seconds from pump on. If you do not have a scale a liquid volume of about 45-65ml including any crema in the liquid volume measurement. If you are getting far more or far less in 25-30 seconds grind size is the issue and you will need to adjust grind finer to slow the extraction or coarser to speed it up. Hope that helps! Marc

hi. thanks for the video. I am trying to understand something. are 58 mm portafilters 'better' than narrower portafilters because they let you grind finer? do they simply produce superior espresso with more texture?

Hi Marc I really appreciate your channel. I’m learning so much. I have a Starbucks Barista by Saeco. Can you please recommend a naked portafilter and double shot basket? Thanks

@Wholelattelovepage

4 жыл бұрын

Hi v, Thanks for the question. I'm sorry I do not have a good recommendation. The product you have uses a pressurized portafilter. It's not designed to work with standard non-pressurized portafilter/filter baskets. I'm sure someone has hacked it or maybe a third party vendor makes one but IMO it will not work well. Here's a video on difference between pressurized appliance grade products and standard non-pressurized espresso machines: kzread.info/dash/bejne/qGFt06ybnabNc7Q.html Marc

Hi Marc, Loved the video as always! I was wondering if you could help me figure out why do single shot baskets not make a good espresso at all than a double shot basket, despite all the parameters being taken as same (i.e grind size, time, proportion of dosage)? Is it because of the too much taper ?

@Wholelattelovepage

2 жыл бұрын

Hi IS, Thanks for the kind comment. Singles are more difficult to use as they magnify any problems. So if you get a channel thru the coffee puck it's impact will be greater. One could argue the taper in a single basket changes an extraction at the base level. Marc

Recipe for triple shot (in, out, time) in ECM bottomless portafilter and basket that came with it from WLL. Thanks. Machine is a Synchronika. Love your videos.

@Wholelattelovepage

22 күн бұрын

Hey c, thanks for the comment! Marc

Somehow I'm still looking for the verb in this YT title; How to.... choose? Upgrade? Shop for? Something? Haha, but great video and sharp glasses Marc.

@Wholelattelovepage

4 жыл бұрын

Hi CM, I hate glasses so much so thanks for the comment! Hear you on the lack of verb - guess it's implied :) Marc

Thanks for the informative video. Quick question, I recently picked up a Breville Oracle Touch. It comes with both Single and Double shot basket but I noticed that the machine is dosing the same amount of coffee about 22g regardless if you choose Single or Double shot. Do you know why and if there if a reason to use the Single Basket? Thanks

@Wholelattelovepage

4 жыл бұрын

Hi g, Thanks for the question. Not sure why you are getting the same amount. I personally do not do single shots so I would not use it. Marc

Thank you. I now understand. Great job

@Wholelattelovepage

5 ай бұрын

You are welcome! Marc

Great video. Thanks

@Wholelattelovepage

Жыл бұрын

You are welcome! Marc

Hey Marc, great video! Can you recommend a ridged or ridgeless basket for a profitec portafilter? I‘m wondering if the Baristapro nano will fit tight enough. Thanks! Michael

@Wholelattelovepage

4 жыл бұрын

Hi Michael, Thanks for the comment and question. All Baristapro Nanotech baskets fit Profitec portfilters with the exception of the 22g which is just a little too deep and prevents the PF from clocking in fully. Marc

Hi Marc, thank you for the great video. I have been using mostly the single curved basket for single espresso shots with my ECM. I now understand it would be better to use the double straight basket. What would be the recommended coffee dosage and am I right?

@Wholelattelovepage

3 жыл бұрын

Hi DK, You are welcome and thank you for the question. It's not that you cannot use a single basket it's just they are far more difficult to be successful with on a consistent basis. Don't know what it's like where you are but pulling singles is incredibly rare in my area. Stock ECM double baskets have a capacity of ~18g. Personally I dose in the 17-18g range. If you see an impression of the shower screen in your puck after an extraction you've dosed too much. Hope that helps! Marc

Hi Marc, it was a nice video. I have a concern about replacing the original aluminum portafilter of my spresso prima latte machine (a model made by Oster) by a stainless steel naked portafilter and I really appreciate your guide on it. This low cost machine has an aluminum portafilter (as I said before) maybe fixed into an aluminum structure, beyond the plastic case, so, I'm thinking that replacing it with a stainless steel portafilter (made with a harder material) could increase the risk of broken the case of the machine. I know the stainless steel is a far more thermal stable, so it would be better than aluminum to extract the coffee flavors, oils, etc... but considering the hardness differences, maybe it'd not be a good idea to replacing it. I saw naked portafilters made in aluminum, but I'm not sure if these would work well. Maybe that'd be the way I must explore... (Sorry for my terrible english level) 😊

Hey Marc! Do you still prefer the bowl-bottom baskets over flat-bottom baskets?

VERY helpful video. Thank you.

@Wholelattelovepage

3 жыл бұрын

Glad it was helpful! Marc

Hey Mark, just bought my first espresso machine wondering why you prefer ims competition basket versus regular basket?

Marc I havee a profitec 700 Pro. I also have all 3 Porto filters and baskets. I even have there ims competition basket. I have a couple of questions 1)can you use and should you use the ims 18/22gram filter basket in you double group Porto filter or is it just for the bottomless Porto filter. 2)how many grams should my double shot in standard basket yeld liquid wise in your clear measuring cup with oz and mil.written on the side I purchased from you yeld. Figuring on 17 grams of espresso

Hi Mark, would the 20mm NT fit a ECM’s Mechanika V Slim stock

Thanks Mark for this informative video. The filter baskets comes with different capacities (Baristapro offers 6 sizes). Does it affect the extraction time and why?

@Wholelattelovepage

4 жыл бұрын

Hi Chung, You are welcome and thanks for the question. As mentioned in the video I pull doubles almost exclusively. All the Baristapro double baskets have 661 holes. If one were to use the same coffee dose weight and grind size in any of the double baskets timing would likely be about the same. Might be some slight differences due to changes in open space between top of coffee puck and the shower screen. Not mentioned in the vide: Baristapro single baskets are engineered with 269 holes such that the same grind size at half the dose weight used in a double will produce about the same timing in a single basket. Marc

Great video again marc, i just bought the 22g IMS precision basket what the min grind dose you think works for the 22g can you get 20-21g and still pull a good shot?

@Wholelattelovepage

3 жыл бұрын

Hi AF, Thanks for the kind comment and good question. Yes, you should be fine with 20-21g in basket rated for 22g. Overfilling to the point of leaving an impression of shower screen in coffee puck is not a good idea. About the worse that can happen from under-filling is a maybe a little more water left on the puck when all is done. Hope that helps! Marc

Solid video! On the Breville Barrista machine using the standard single shot basket, I find that the the basket frequently 'sticks' when I remove the portafilter so I then have to struggle with wedging it out. Any thoughts?

@Wholelattelovepage

3 жыл бұрын

Hey RB, Thanks for the comment. Sticking basket happens to me even on higher-end prosumer level machines. One should always leave their portafilter attached to the machine when not in use so it stays warm. But when attaching lock it in loosely to prevent sticking. Also, keep the group gasket and filter basket clean. Coffee oils/residues can be kinda sticky. On many machines I'll switch out the stock rubber group gasket to silicone which is a bit more supple and less likely to grab the basket rim and cause sticking. Unfortunately I'm not aware of silicone gaskets available for the Breville Barista. Marc

Thanks, how about using bottomless basket with single spout Portafilter for avoiding channels mess?

Hi Mark, Great explanation. I use a 7 gr single shot VST basket, and a 18gr. Double shot. The double shot is easy to distribute and tamp, but the single shot a bit messy, as the tampers are not the right size for the smaller cake diameter. Any remedidy/suggestions?

@Wholelattelovepage

Жыл бұрын

Hi K, Not sure I understand... your single shot baskets have a smaller diameter than your doubles? Outside rim diameter should be the same. I understand singles have a taper towards center, but a proper dose in a single should result in the top of cake being same diameter as in a double basket.

Hello, great video, many thx! I`m using a 15-16g dose, sometimes 18g, and i`m looking for a basket for Gaggia Classic Pro. VST baskets are out of my bugdet. can u please recommend one basket to go for? IMS seems like an option but it's pretty confusing with all the sizes and styles...I`m planning to buy a bottomless portafilter to go with it. Also, i got a 58mm tamper. With the stock basket from Gaggia, this one is a little small, should have bought a 58.3-4mm. Should i change the tamper also? Many thanks again!

@Wholelattelovepage

2 жыл бұрын

Hi AD, Thanks for the question. Here's a selection of filter baskets from BIT, Barista Improving Taste: www.wholelattelove.com/collections/portafilters-and-filter-baskets?_=pf&pf_v_brand=Barista%20Improving%20Taste The "BoB" line are lower cost precision baskets designed by former Italian Cup Tasting Champion and manufactured by IMS. For your dose I'd select the 18g BoB filter basket currently $15: www.wholelattelove.com/collections/portafilters-and-filter-baskets/products/barista-improving-taste-bob-filter-basket-18g Here's the Gaggia Bottomless PF which includes a 21g triple shot basket: www.wholelattelove.com/products/gaggia-bottomless-portafilter For a tamper, this BIT tamper is 58.6mm and designed to work in tandem with the BoB filter basket: www.wholelattelove.com/products/bit-espresso-tamper Hope that helps! Marc

Hey Mark! Thanks for the video. A couple of months ago I upgraded my basket to a 20gr barista pro with nano tech. I also changed the group head components (gasket, shower screen and brass holder) on my Gaggia classic pro. I'm getting beautiful shots indeed, however, I did notice that the puck is slightly more wet compared to when I use the basket that the Gaggia came with. What do you think this is due to?

@Wholelattelovepage

4 жыл бұрын

Hi Andrea, Nice performance upgrades! The IMS Nanotech shower screen in the Classic flows nice compared to stock: www.wholelattelove.com/products/ims-nanotech-gaggia-classic-shower-screen I wonder if larger coffee dose or more clearance between puck and shower screen might be resulting in a slightly wetter puck. Also, are you backflushing with something like Cafiza on a regular basis? Over time coffee gunk and oils build up in the solenoid release plumbing and can restrict water flow off the puck. Marc

@itsameandrea

4 жыл бұрын

@@Wholelattelovepage interesting take - I do backflush every couple of weeks with the cafiza, however, I did not take into account the fact that the basket is bigger and thus I may need to up the dose slightly. I've been brewing with 18g pretty much since I got the Gaggia. I'll start using 19g as a test. Will report back with my findings. Thanks, Marc!

Hey Marc, amazing easy information, I own a Smeg ecf01 espresso coffee machine, and I think it haves 51mm filter, do you know is there is a bottomless portafilter and non-pressurized filter? Thanks for the help!

@Wholelattelovepage

3 жыл бұрын

Hi JR, Thanks for the kind comment. I am not aware of a bottomless for that machine. One might exist but my guess it would be made be 3rd party manufacturer as I'm fairly certain that machine was designed for pressurized basket only. Marc

Hey Marc! I am upgrading the OEM filter basket of the Classika to an IMS. I typically tamp the puck with my distributor only (same as I saw you like to do) and my experience says that is totally valid. Q: given that distributors get a super flat surface, should I avoid curved bottom IMS baskets to keep puck thickness commonality at all times or you believe that is irrelevant?? Thanks!

@Wholelattelovepage

3 жыл бұрын

Hi AM, Thanks for the comment and question. IME it's irrelevant. All kinds of variables involved but I see little difference with a flat puck surface in a curved basket. One thing that is a bit different is you'll likely use a slightly finer grind in the IMS vs the stock basket. Marc

I have a ecmp50 and I'm wondering if i can switch to a nonpressurized basket?

Thanks for the video! I purchased a cheap non-pressurized filter to use with my entry level Delonghi. I’m definitely getting a better espresso out of it but I’m noticing coffee grinds in the espresso. Is this something I can reduce with tamping pressure/grind size or is it due to a low quality filter ? (Holes too wide?)

@Wholelattelovepage

4 жыл бұрын

Hi Jonathan, Thanks for the question. I have not used a non-pressurized basket in an entry-level appliance grade product. I suspect the holes are too big and allowing some grind through. I doubt tamping pressure would do much and if you change grind size you will change your espresso quality. Marc

Hi Marc. Great video. Thanks. What basket would you recommend for a Gaggia Classic (standard portafilter) please ? Would an IMS Nanotech 18g basket work well for double shots ? Thanks, Dave.

@Wholelattelovepage

3 жыл бұрын

Hi Dave, Thanks for the comment and question. Yes, the Nanotech 18g works well with the Classic. Be aware you may need to grind a hair finer than with the Classic's stock basket. Marc

Thanks for this video, Marc. Any 51mm IMS baskets? Or do they only make 58mm baskets?

@Wholelattelovepage

3 жыл бұрын

Hi Franco, You are welcome. IMS does make 51mm baskets but not that we carry :( Marc

Hey Marc, thanks for all the information. Got a question on bottomless portafilters for you. I've seen them where the bottom edge of the portafilter is almost even with the bottom of the basket and then some where the portafilter is much deeper, with the bottom edge well below the basket. Aside from the former providing easier visual access to the bottom of the basket, does this make any difference? Are there any other considerations that would help determine which bottomless filter is better than another or is there one you recommend in the 51mm size?

@Wholelattelovepage

Жыл бұрын

Hi EA, You are welcome for the info! More metal in the portafilter = more heat retention. It's rare, but I've run into a few bottomless PF's which limit the size of the filter basket used as the bottom curvature prevents use of triple shot 22g capacity rated baskets. If you want to do triples - common when pulling naked extractions make sure the PF you choose will accommodate the depth of the filter basket. Unfortunately I have no recommendations for 51mm. Overwhelming majority are made for standard 58mm commercial size with a few available for 54mm. Marc

man, your Set is stunning and flawless!! Very attractive

@Wholelattelovepage

3 жыл бұрын

Hey DrBrain, Thanks! Marc

Great video, lots of valuable info condensed in only 7+mins, love it!

@Wholelattelovepage

3 жыл бұрын

Hey VA, Thanks for the love! Marc

Whats the best Tampa station for a naked/bottomless portafilter 58mm, can you do a video to show the differences please

Hi Marc - Just started using a VST 20 / bottomless PF / Silvia / Rocky grinder. Amazing taste improvement, but extractions are very from the center and going watery before achieving 2oz. I use a PF funnel while grinding which leaves an indentation around the periphery and shake / bump the PF to fill the ridge and to settle the Rocky's somewhat clumpy grind. Since the VST is flat should I be using a domed tamper instead of the flat one I have? Any other tips? Thanks so much.

@Wholelattelovepage

3 жыл бұрын

Hi Vic, Filter baskets can make a big difference! If finding your shots are developing mostly from center I think a convex based tamper would only increase that tendency. Convex leaves you with thinner coffee bed in center of puck so less resistance to flow there. I don't use the Silvia much but I wonder what your water distribution looks like from the shower screen. Do you get a nice even drip from all areas of the screen? Or does it focus toward the center. If using the stock screen and flow is center focused you might consider upgrading to an IMS screen. They tend to give a more even distribution of water onto the puck leading to a more dispersed/even flow through all areas of the puck. Here's the screen for Miss Silvia: www.wholelattelove.com/products/ims-nanotech-bezzera-rancilio-shower-screen Another thought (and perhaps something you are already aware of) Be sure you're not hitting your puck with overheated flash boiling brew water. That blast of steam can blast through the coffee! Hope that helps! Marc

Fantastic ! Thank you!! I do have 2 questions..of i may 1- how do you know if there is enough coffee in the basket ? 2- I noticed that my best espresso shot was when the stream was wider, coming out of my bottomless.. But I don't know how I did that and don't know how to do it again.. Thanks !!

@Wholelattelovepage

3 жыл бұрын

Hi Eric, You're welcome! 1. Many baskets have a ridge line on the side wall of the basket which indicates a normal fill level after the coffee is compressed/tamped. You can use a little less or more with no problem. Just try to be consistent with the amount you use. If you see an impression of the shower screen in the coffee puck after an extraction you used too much coffee. 2. Bottomless shots are tricky but an excellent tool for improving your technique. Producing a good bottomless shot requires control of variables... being consistent with each from shot to shot. So get the grind size right, use the same coffee dose, good distribution in filter basket, level tamp with same pressure, controlling brew temperature etc. Marc

Hi Marc, I just got a Breville Brista Pro and was wondering if you change the stock double filter basket will it make any difference, if so what size and kind to go for? Thank you.

@Wholelattelovepage

4 жыл бұрын

Hi Scott, Thanks for the question. The Barista Pro uses a 54mm filter basket. Upgrading may help. At this time we do not carry any upgrades in 54mm. They can be hard to find! Marc

0:21 wow~~ I want everything~

@Wholelattelovepage

4 жыл бұрын

lol

Hello Marc, Good video. I have a Breville Bambino Plus and I would like to know what bottomless basket and portafilter do you recommend. Thank you, Alex

@Wholelattelovepage

3 жыл бұрын

Hi AH, Thanks for the question. As far as I know there is no recommended bottomless PF for the Bambino. It's designed to work with a pressurized filter basket and bottomless PFs are not pressurized. Marc

I just received my DUOMO The Eight Distribution Tool. Because I have to set the depth, I would like to use the same basket for my all of my portafilters. So if you had to use the same one all the time, would you go with the Baristapro or the IMS curved? Thank you for the video, it was great, as always!

@Wholelattelovepage

Жыл бұрын

Hey Dean, Well, there's a bit of personal preference involved. I will say I get great results from the Baristapro baskets. IMS curved are a little more finicky in my experience. Marc

Hey Marc, Two questions. I have a Profitec Pro 800. I'm thinking about switching out one or more of the Stock Baskets for IMS Baristapro. I read in an earlier comment I may be capped at the 20g Basket. Is that only for the Single and Double Portafilters or including the Naked Triple Portafilter? Secondly do you know the size of the Stock Triple Basket and do you sell Naked Portafilters for the Pro 800 as I only see Pro 300-700 on the website? I appreciate all your videos and information. Thank you.

@Wholelattelovepage

3 жыл бұрын

Hi Randy, Thanks for the questions. The parts diagram list the stock triple capacity at 21g. I have a Pro 800 in the studio and just tried the 22g Baristapro filter basket in the Pro 800 stock bottomless. It fits without issue. We do not carry an individual bottomless for the Pro 800 - probably because it comes with one and that portafilter will not fit other Profitec machines. Hope that helps! Marc

Does IMS have a single shot filter basket?

Great video! Very interesting point @4:42 about seeing the shower screen indent on the puck. I use a Breville Barista Express Espresso machine at home and have seen this imprint multiple times, I always use 18g with the double basket. how many grams of coffee do you suggest for someone using this machine? Thanks! Edit: The Breville Barista Express uses 54mm portafilters

@Wholelattelovepage

4 жыл бұрын

Hi Lauren, Thanks for the comment and question! It's been awhile since I've used a Breville with 54mm baskets like the Barista Express. My guess is capacity depending on coffee used may be less than 18g. If seeing imprint of shower screen I would back off on dose weight until you no longer see an imprint. Marc

Hey Marc! Im looking for the bottomless portafilter holder (not basket) but couldnt find the one made from gaggia. I found the brand called CAPFEI(58mm) but not sure if this is compatible with Gaggia new classic. Is there any of your recommended brands ?

@Wholelattelovepage

Жыл бұрын

Hey ck oh, here's the bottomless made by Gaggia: www.wholelattelove.com/collections/portafilters-and-filter-baskets/products/gaggia-bottomless-portafilter Marc

That’s a huge collection Marc! Why do the prosumer machines come with ridged baskets? Surely their R&D have proved these are the best? Penny for your thoughts.

@Wholelattelovepage

4 жыл бұрын

Hi sc74, In some baskets ridges are reference for max fill. Things sometimes change slowly so years ago a company or two was making filter baskets and that's the way they were made. I was introduced to Baristapro baskets a few years ago by an Italian Cup Tasting champion who worked with the company to develop higher end basket resulting in Baristapro. Marc

Hi Marc. Would I be able to use a pressurised basket with an oriole touch to make decaf with pre ground coffee. Thanks Sue

@Wholelattelovepage

3 жыл бұрын

Hey Sue, You should be able to. Just make sure your pre-ground is ground fine enough. Grind size intended for drip/filter brewing will not produce good results. Marc

Hey Marc with the curved baskets do I need another tamper or my 58.5 tamper should be fine

@Wholelattelovepage

2 жыл бұрын

Hi Samantha, You can use the same tamper for baskets with a slight curve at the bottom. Marc

Thanks for the video! Love the great content. What is the stock basket size for the Rocket Appartamento double portafilter? What size basket will the portafilter accomodate? 18g? 20g? Thanks!

@Wholelattelovepage

3 жыл бұрын

Hi PO, Thanks for the kind comment and question. Appartamento comes stock with a single and double basket. Double capacity is ~18g. Portafilter can accommodate up to 22g Baristapro filter basket with a height of 28mm. This one: www.wholelattelove.com/products/baristapro-22g-nanotech-precision-portafilter-basket Hope that helps! Marc

@Philthethrill14

3 жыл бұрын

@@Wholelattelovepage Thanks for the quick and helpful answer! Cheers!

I recently got the ECM Classika PID would a triple basket fit in the stock portafilter, do all basket sizes work in the standard portafilters?

@Wholelattelovepage

10 ай бұрын

Hey lw, Thanks for the question. This IMS curved bottom 18/22g fits in the stock portafilter: www.wholelattelove.com/products/ims-curved-bottom-precision-portafilter-basket-18-22g But not all basket sizes fit in all portafilters. For instance this 22g rated Barista pro basket does not work in the stock ECM portafilter (it fits in the portafilter but rises to high to allow PF lock in): www.wholelattelove.com/products/baristapro-22g-nanotech-precision-portafilter-basket You might consider a bottomless portafilter like this which comes with a triple shot basket: www.wholelattelove.com/products/ecm-angled-bottomless-portafilter Hope that helps! Marc

Hey there, great video. Could you do a video on the VST baskets? Heard a lot about them.

@LuckyDragon289

4 жыл бұрын

VST baskets have been around the longest; I think they were the first "precision" baskets to hit the market. From my experiences they tend to be far less forgiving of poor technique than even a BaristaPro/IMS basket. VST baskets have holes that extend further to the perimeter, which means that any slight imperfections in distribution/tamping will show up. Notice how the BaristaPro basket actually has wider margin between the edges and the perforations. The Competition basket seems to function similarly to a convex tamper, in that it promotes that "single stream" more easily, but it's very slightly slightly altering the density distribution of the coffee grounds.

@Wholelattelovepage

4 жыл бұрын

Hi LD, Thanks for your input! Much appreciation! Marc

If I use 18g double shots Should I be buying 18g basket Or can I get a 19-20g basket which allows me option for higher dose

How does the shot flavor from a portafilter (from something like the entry level Gaggia) compare to a superautomatic?

@Wholelattelovepage

4 жыл бұрын

Hi JK, Thanks for the question. One can do potentially better quality with a semi-automatic (portafilter) than a super-automatic bean to cup machine. But, It does take a bit of skill/knowledge, a decent grinder and of course a good coffee to get there. Super-autos offer consistent convenience. If you can push a button and set the grinder to fine that's about all you need to know. Marc

Hey Marc from WLL, How often should one replace the IMS basket and screen compare to the stock ones ? Thanks!

@Wholelattelovepage

3 жыл бұрын

Hey B, Unless damaged there's no reason to replace either. Marc

Hi Mark! After returning from a tuneup, my Silvia came back with a different screw for holding the shower screen. The head of that screw is much thicker than the original one and that cuts the clearance to the puck enough that my usual doze doesn’t fit anymore. (Read nice imprint of the screw head on the puck). Problem. I can’t seem to find a OEM size screw. Any advice? I use An IMS screen. (It goes without saying the tune up shop will never see me again). Thanks !

@Wholelattelovepage

4 жыл бұрын

Hi Martin, I'd be calling that shop and asking where my screw is! Anyway, if in US give our tech support a call at 585-924-7170. That screw is not the type of part we'd have listed on our website but we may have one. If so, they can help! Marc

Hey. Looking at the IMS Precision 14/20 v the Barista Pro 20g. Why does the IMS give a range but the barista pro does not? P.s. I’m gonna aim closer to 20g dose for a double ristretto shot.

Hi Marc - Great stuff as always. I bought the appartamento + the jack leveler from you guys. Noticing channeling. At least 3-5 holds. Any suggestions? What is the stock basket size on appatamento? I am using 17g/34g. Any suggestions to improve my extraction. Since I have the jack leverler, i dont tamp. Thanks

@Wholelattelovepage

3 жыл бұрын

Hi TF, Thanks for the comment, question and your patronage! Stock double basket runs 16-18g capacity depending on coffee type. Towards the higher end for lighter roast specialty coffees and lower for darker roast blends. If you see any impression of the shower screen in the puck after an extraction you've exceeded the basket capacity. If not already doing so be sure and run a short cooling flush prior to an extraction to remove over-heated brew water. Without a cooling flush, in most cases the coffee will be hit by an initial shot of steam and over-heated water which increases chance of channeling. With the Jack set the depth as deep as possible without the depth adjustment slipping when spinning. Hope that helps! Marc

@ThinkFinance

3 жыл бұрын

@@Wholelattelovepage thanks Marc.

I have the La Specialista from Delonghi, do u know if there is on the market a bottomless portafilter compatible or any other kind of portafilter bc this one is pressurized...

@Wholelattelovepage

3 жыл бұрын

Hi e, Thanks for the question. I do not believe Delonghi makes a bottomless for that machine and we do not carry one. A quick Google search did turn up some results from 3rd party vendors. Marc

Do you need a special basket for a bottomless portafilter?

Hey, i have a question for you! If i change the portafilter in my machine and put anotherone to make my machine non-pressureced is ok?

@Wholelattelovepage

3 жыл бұрын

Hi ME, Thanks for the question. Most machine which come only with a pressurized basket are designed to work with those. That said, I know many people modify or purchase 3rd party non-pressurized baskets and do okay. IMO it's best to start with a machine designed to work with non-pressurized baskets in the first place. Machine that ship pressurized basket only are typically appliance grade and have other issues like poor temp control, small lightweight portafilters and more which limit their potential. Marc

Hey Mark! I just bought a Izzo Vivi PID, and I noticed it does not come with a bottomless portafilter. Which kind can I buy that would fit my machine? I want an 18gr - double shots.

@Wholelattelovepage

2 жыл бұрын

Hey Ray, any bottomless for E61 group will work. This one includes a triple basket accommodating about 21g. Many who go bottomless and it’s likely your machine will come with a double for 18g. Check it out here www.wholelattelove.com/products/profitec-bottomless-portafilter Marc

I just purchased a portafilter for delonghi stilosa and finding that I'm not getting a good extraction. I'm not getting any crema. What am I doing wrong?

Liked the video. Interesting though, no mention in the video even of the existence of 51 mm or 49 mm baskets, which are the most commonly used pf sizes in most lever espresso machines - and which, though "niche" machines, are decidedly not low-end appliance machines! (In fact, I bought both of my Gaggia Factory 106 lever machines from you in 2007 or 2008 - and both, with their 51mm baskets, are still going strong!) I almost exclusively use naked PFs in my two machines, ever since having two extra PFs "cut" just a few years after purchasing the machines. I don't think I've used the stock dual spout PFs more than a handful of times since then. I recently "retired" one of the "cut" naked PFs and replaced it with a "straight wall" naked PF so that I could experiment with a triple basket, as the triple baskets don't fit into "cut" PFs due to the slightly too small "cutout" hole. Can't say I've yet noticed any real improvement in the cup when using the triple basket, but I'm still experimenting with it - and enjoying the experimentation...

@Wholelattelovepage

3 жыл бұрын

Hey Richard, Sorry I did not mention. And thank you for your patronage! As you're well aware 58mm is most common in commercial style non-lever machines. A few high-end machines like Dalla Corte use 54mm baskets. And yes, levers are a bit niche so I did not get into those. But they are most definitely not appliance grade! Those smaller lightweight aluminum baskets with lower capacity are the norm on the appliance grade machines and they are almost always pressurized to allow for use of subpar grind or pre-ground coffee. Marc

Hi Marc, as usual, another helpful video. Can it be possible that there is a basket from IMS that can fit the Breville Barista Touch portafilter the same as you show at 6:57?

@Wholelattelovepage

4 жыл бұрын

Hi AA, Thanks for the kind comment and question. The Barista Touch uses a 54mm filter basket. To the best of my knowledge IMS does not make a 54mm which fits the Barista Touch. :( Marc

@iGarni

4 жыл бұрын

Whole Latte Love sad to here this. Thanks for the reply. Any suggestions?

Hi, in My work we are using a rocket REA 3, Im traying to dial in with 20gr, but I dont have any idea the correct amount of coffee, and in the basket it has nothing written

@Wholelattelovepage

4 жыл бұрын

Hi Arturo, Maybe I'm missing something but if dialing in with 20g then 20g is the correct amount. Perhaps you mean the basket size? If yes then just be sure you are not leaving an impression of the shower screen on the puck. If no impression then basket size should be good. Marc

Thanks for yet another excellent video! I wanted to know how to match a bottomless portafilter to a specific machine, so that it lines up nicely at 6 o’clock…? (Mine is a pasquini Livia 90s). Thanks!

@Wholelattelovepage

2 жыл бұрын

Hi GR, Thanks for the question. Get a bottomless designed to fit your machine. Getting a perfect clock-in to 6 is more a function of your group gasket being the right size. Filter basket may play a role as well as some have a slightly higher ridge that others. If you're clocking to far it may be time to replace your group gasket or add a shim behind it. If replacing your group gasekt consider a silicone version which last longer and those don't require as hard a clock-in to create a seal. Marc

@guymross

2 жыл бұрын

@@Wholelattelovepage thanks again!

Hey Marc, I have a question. Does a 22 g basket from VST fit into an Expobar brewtus IV stock portafilter (it is not bottomless)?

@Wholelattelovepage

4 жыл бұрын

Hi CT, Thanks for the question. Well, I do not have a VST 22g basket at the moment. But I did try an IMS competition 22g basket in an Expobar PF and it fits. IT was this one: www.wholelattelove.com/products/ims-curved-bottom-precision-portafilter-basket-18-22g The IMS basket height is 28mm in height so if the VST is 28mm or less it should fit. Hope that helps! Marc

Hey thanks for the video I have been looking for a portafilter handle for my Elektra micro casa (leva) - do you sell these?

@Wholelattelovepage

Ай бұрын

Hi H, thanks for the comment. It's possible but guessing it would not be original equipment. I'd inquire with our Tech Support team here: support.wholelattelove.com/hc/en-us Marc

As usual, great information. I'd love to see a discussion about the intersection where shower screen meets filter basket. Does upgrading the basket make good sense without upgrading the shower screen? For example, with the Rancilio Silvia M's stock shower screen, is it worthwhile upgrading to an IMS basket? Upgrade both?

@Wholelattelovepage

Жыл бұрын

Hi s, Upgrading a basket can make a huge difference! Precision baskets usually have a higher flow rate meaning you'll generally use a finer grind which opens up deeper extractions. Especially true in comparison to the stock Silvia basket which is smaller than most and has a fairly low flow rate. If you upgrade the basket be aware the Silvia portafilter is fairly shallow so you'll be limited to an 18g capacity filter basket like this one: www.wholelattelove.com/products/baristapro-18g-nanotech-precision-portafilter-basket Larger triple baskets and IMS competition baskets are too deep to fit in stock Silvia PF. Upgrading a shower screen can help provide a more even flow of brew water onto the coffee. That improves consistency by reducing the chance of channeling. Upgraded shower screens also stay cleaner and are easier to clean when needed. Have a look at your stock screen. It's an actual screen texture with nooks and crannies where coffee oils/particles accumulate. Upgrade screens are smooth, often have non-stick coatings and have openings designed to create even flow of water onto the coffee. Marc

@slukas1375

Жыл бұрын

@@Wholelattelovepage Hey Marc, can't thank you enough for the detailed response. I've noted your recommendation for the basket. Do you also have a recommendation for upgrading the shower screen? If I'm going to upgrade one, might as well upgrade both. Thx/Rgds from western Canada. S>

Hey Marc Which basket would you recommend to use on a a Gaggia classic pro for naked shots, nanotech or curved bottom? I´m pulling 17gr shots on standard basket? Hope you can help me so i can finish my order on the webpage... thanks

@Wholelattelovepage

Жыл бұрын

Hi Bernardo, Thanks for your patience. I find that flat bottom Nanotech is easier to work with - more consistent and more forgiving than curved bottom baskets. Marc