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@retardno002

3 ай бұрын

Hey guys, any chance you could maybe get in touch with David Malan for an artist spotlight episode? He's my personal favorite portrait artist, his economy of line and the expensiveness of his portraits are inspiring and unique. His iterative process could be super useful for Proko followers.

@ProkoTV

3 ай бұрын

@@retardno002 We'll never say no to working with a new artist. But we're pretty full up on the videos we already have in the backlog to edit right now. Maybe in the future!

@retardno002

3 ай бұрын

@@ProkoTV thanks for replying, I just wanted to put him on your radar, a short look at some of his work is all it took for me to become a fan, I'm really curious what you think. Fingers crossed for that future episode ❤️

@lukepattinson3108

2 ай бұрын

​@@ProkoTVHi Proko. Is this course suitable for someone who is a complete beginner? I haven't done any drawing in about 14 years, and was never really big into art when I was a kid (I did the occasional doodle and painted watercolour with my grandad sometimes), but I'm looking to pick it back up as a hobby.

@ProkoTV

2 ай бұрын

@@lukepattinson3108 You're exactly the audience for it! We cover all the starting topics, even how to sharpen all the different pencils and how you can hold them for different line qualities.

Proko tutorials- the gold standard for all tutorials

@ProkoTV

3 ай бұрын

Aww, shucks! Thank you.

@banasribiswas680

3 ай бұрын

😅⁹😅😅9😅⁹999​@@ProkoTV

@jdnart

Ай бұрын

​@@ProkoTV it's true!

I've been drawing (not professionally) for 20 years now, and I never knew that the centerpoint of an ellipse was "further away" than the major axis. Mind. Blown.

@ugosergio4520

3 ай бұрын

Attention. In reality the major axis of the ellipse passes perfectly through the center (it couldn't be otherwise); the center of the object described by the ellipse is not at the center of the ellipse. In other words, the ellipse is the geometric figure that represents the contour of the object and is "symmetrical". The central point of the object inside is not exactly halfway along the ellipse because it is seen in perspective and therefore the half closest to the observer's eye is larger than the one farthest away. Look carefully at the part of the video where there is the vinyl and clearly observe where the center of the ellipse and the center of the vinyl are located respectively, which are two different things.

@arnedirlelwy

2 ай бұрын

@@ugosergio4520 Great explanation! Although I don't understand why. If you draw a flat square in perspective over the record, when the record tilts, the center point of that square in perspective will shift away from us. But an oval in perspective will shift it's center of axis towards the viewer? Logically this doesn't make sense to me, but as you've explained it, the visual representation of the center axis of the oval shifts due to the perspective in order to maintain it's symmetry, and the center axis of the oval must remain equidistant from the close and far edge of the box in order for the oval to stay symmetrical and touch all 4 sides. I'm not understanding how an oval doesn't "skew" like a box and how the visual center of the record can somehow visually be different than the external center of the oval?

@ugosergio4520

2 ай бұрын

@@arnedirlelwy HI. Try to think of it this way: The disk is the object. The circle is the geometric figure that describes the outline of the object. If you put the object in perspective, a visual deformation occurs whereby the half of the object closest to the observer's eye appears larger than the farthest half. and due to the same deformation the circle visually becomes an ellipse. This is where you have to be careful. The real center of the circle is located further from the observer's eye than the axis of the ellipse that describes its contour. We see two distinct things together: 1) the object observed in perspective and 2) the contour of the object, which we consider as a flat figure in frontal view, for this reason the two centers do not match: one is the center of the object in perspective and the other is the center of the geometric figure that describes its outline. Example to clarify further: Put a square in perspective. The geometric figure that describes its outline is an isosceles trapezoid. Measure half the height of this trapezoid and you will see that it will not match the center of the square (but compared to the latter it will be closer to the observer's eye). I hope I have clarified something and not complicated it even more :)

@ugosergio4520

2 ай бұрын

@@arnedirlelwy Hi. I believe that circles create more difficulty for understanding concepts, so I'll give you a similar example that I hope can help: Put a square in one point perspective and observe its outline. it is a trapezoid. So we have two different things that coexist: 1) the object in perspective (in this example a square) and 2) the contour of the object which is a flat geometric figure (in this example the isosceles trapezoid). If you see where half the height of the trapezoid falls you will see that it does not correspond with the center of the square in perspective, exactly as happens for the circle in perspective whose contour is an ellipse.

@arnedirlelwy

2 ай бұрын

@@ugosergio4520 That's exactly where I find it confusing. Let's say the square is drawn to the left of the one point perspective. The center line of the trapezoid (the square in one point perspective) would be found by drawing a line from top left corner to bottom right corner and bottom left corner to top right corner, then finding the meeting point and drawing a vertical line. That vertical line would be further to the right (closer to the vanishing point) than the measured middle point between the left line and the right line of the trapezoid (square in one point perspective). So if a circle drawn in a square touches all 4 edges at the middle of the 4 edges, then why in perspective does it still not touch all 4 edges at those points?

"Both cylinder and a box are hard" ok this makes feel a lot better coming from someone like Proko😅😊

Ellipses…my enemy

@reanozeon9459

3 ай бұрын

🙄🙄.......

@PatrickTheArtist715

3 ай бұрын

I've got an insight on ellipses today

@napoleonkhan7943

3 ай бұрын

You mean your nemesis?

@marielcarey4288

3 ай бұрын

​@@reanozeon9459??💀

Perspective is so important for artists to understand. I didn't do well in perspective class, but I went through art school before youtube was a thing. Thanks for what you do.

@reanozeon9459

3 ай бұрын

I think you are right 🤔....

Car designers are often really good at ellipses and construction, I'd love to see one on your channel to show the perspective knowledge (and tricks) they know about drawing modern cars! Someone like Murad Baste for instance

thank you for the beginner video (1st month of drawing)

@ProkoTV

3 ай бұрын

Congratulations on starting drawing! Remember to always have fun with it.

You learn something new every day. I did not know that the elipses are perpendicular to the axis 🤯. Wheels, logs, I've been drawing them all wrong.

I always appreciate a precise explaination.

FINALLY ! I HAVE BEEN LOOKING FOR THIS FOR SO LONG

drawing the cylinder in a box section is by far the hardest thing i have ever seen. It feels like every time i have to do a cylinder i have to bring out a calculator and a math book everytime i will try to do this

proko my majestic goat

never skip fundamentals day

I roughly knew how to draw ellipses, but i never considered the axis to help with the foreshortening... I always eyeballed it. Great tip

@JayAr709

3 ай бұрын

Eyeballing is more efficient

I’ve been chasing down the major and minor access for a few years trying to draw better wheeled vehicles. I bought countless books and still it eludes but this is the most concise and digestible explanation out there! Bravo proko!!!

Keep it up with the basics videos I believe that they are the most important thing to practice even when at a advanced level

Understanding fundamentals, Helps,a great deal. 👍

this came at the perfect time for me I've been trying to work on my perspective more

@ProkoTV

3 ай бұрын

Hope it helps!

Great video! Awesome fundamental video

Well explained 👏

Proko is great

Great video!!

i’ve been having sm trouble with finding major axis and all that BUT THIS HELPED SM THANK UUUU🧡🧡🧡🧡🧡🧡🧡🧡🧡🧡

@ProkoTV

3 ай бұрын

Glad to hear it!

this is genius. thank you!

i just finished my 1st week of studying art via your tutorials and self-practise, and yeah this is like the hardest one by far

@ProkoTV

2 ай бұрын

It's a heady one! Don't worry if it doesn't sink in at first. You can can keep progressing with drawing, even without this particular bit and revisit it when it seems like it makes easier sense.

As someone studying vector calculus, this is helpful. Thank you.

Very useful!

Amazing❤

This video came in handy, I'm currently learning to draw them

Did a lot of these for the illustrations in “Inheritors: Ashes of Imidia.” Keep on spreading the knowledge!

Thank you sir...

I’ve tried to figure out how circles work in perspective for 2 years, and today i finally got it. Thanks Proko 🖤🖤🖤

@ProkoTV

3 ай бұрын

Nice!

@merlin9240

3 ай бұрын

just wait another 2 years and you'll realise you only *thought* you understood circles in perspective

This was so eye opening, Proko you are going to heaven for providing this for free

@ProkoTV

2 ай бұрын

Yes! 😇

@Debbie-jm1mz

2 ай бұрын

@@ProkoTV You replied! I love you ❤️

This is one thing I had to figure out by myself. I used to "correct" myself by redrawing the round side of cylinders (like a car wheel) by aligning the major axis with the up and down axis, but then it would look worse than the intuitive sketch I started off with. When I really decided to figure it out, was when I had to draw cylinders at odd angles. I spent a good amount of time studying my cylindrical pencil sharpener, and drawing and redrawing, until I could pinpoint a solid rule for orienting the major axis of an ellipse. When I did figure it out, let me tell you, it was the most satisfying feeling. All that time spent, all that frustration, had paid off. And I took particular satisfaction in the fact that I figured it out on my own, by drawing, and studying real life examples.

Beautifulllll

Nice proko! I’ve been working on my wheels

@ProkoTV

3 ай бұрын

That's a great practice!

Cool video

please do a dip pen tutorial

Your video is very nice and imformative

@ProkoTV

2 ай бұрын

Thanks!

Stan 😊 Always helps us in Our Artistic Expression.... through his Tutorials....classes......all stuff....Great 🎉 job Stan ...keep Guiding us !!!

It's the same rule I have about rectangles. A square is a rectangle, but not all rectangles are square. An ellipse is an oval, but not all ovals are elliptical.

@ProkoTV

3 ай бұрын

Exactly

I just want to draw realistic coffee mugs.

When is the new perspective course coming out?

Muchas gracias por tus videos. Me ayudan mucho. Tengo debilidad por dibujar árboles y no consigo dar "vida" a las ramas. Tienes algo específico para ésto?

That’s crazy I was just searching ellipses in perspective I knew you’d have a video or two but this post was obviously for me. I’m so confused about everything I’m learning so this is amazing thank you!

@cranberrycanvas

3 ай бұрын

I was trying to clear up the difference between an ellipse and an oval in particular and why another video I watched said that ellipses that are standing are vertically tilted apparently? It that in relation to the other perspective point to make the minor axis perpendicular cuz that what I’ve heard twice so far but it feels like if it wasn’t vertically tilted the minor axis would still be on the same angle. I’m suspecting that the other video and the brief explanation you gave is based on simplifying the ellipses to be isometric or orthographic or something of the nature. In other words no skewed because I don’t understand how any ellipse especially on that’s standing straight up in 3 point perspective would be a perfect ellipse. You’ll probably explain it after I’m done writing this and watch the rest of the video and I’ll end up deleting this comment

@cranberrycanvas

3 ай бұрын

I guess I’m starting to fucking understand 🙄 ughh.

@cranberrycanvas

3 ай бұрын

I’m just not understand how ur getting your major axis after finding the halfway points on the box. It’s not actually perpendicular(it’s perpendicular in perspective not on the page) and I feel like if I could eyeball it I wouldn’t need to do any of this is the first place lol

so how exactly do you find the center of the ellipse in perspective? Just only by eyeballing the intersection of the major and minor axes? Im confused…

Omg ellipses my enemy BUT as a 2d animator beginner is so important to learn perspective 😤 thanks proko like always ! 😭💗

The Marshall course is real!

@ProkoTV

3 ай бұрын

This one's from Stan's Drawing Basics course. But Marshall's course will be out this year.

@rockyofnaniwa

3 ай бұрын

​@@ProkoTV Awesome!

Does anyone know when that perspective course he mentioned will be available?

came right on time for geometry for me :0

Oh, boy. As a mathematician, this idea that any oval that has horizontal and vertical symmetry is an ellipse is hard to stomach.

OMG, the part about minor axis of an ellipse aligning with axis of a cylinder was literally an eureka moment for me! It never made sense for me when I was drawing cylinders in perspective and cross sections appeared to be squashed because I was drawing them aligned vertically and not to the orientation of the cylinder

@ookami5329

3 ай бұрын

I was doing that as well, before figuring it out. Stupid thing was I'd intuitively draw it correctly in the initial sketch, and then when refining it, "correct" it by redrawing the major axis vertically

@capsey_

3 ай бұрын

@@ookami5329 exactly, I was doing the same

@ookami5329

3 ай бұрын

@@capsey_ I mean it sounded logical, but then when you actually apply that logic, it looks trash 😂

Realizing that the long axis does not cross the center point of the circle is like when your older brother tells you that Santa doesn't exist

Salamat po

Just practising this in art school, coulnd't be better timing 😂❤

10:03 here the elipse is bigger on the left half when you centre it on the major axis? Other than the centre of the box. A bit confused

@ioga1977

3 ай бұрын

I am confused too . looks totally opposite to what must be ?

@aelion7761

3 ай бұрын

@@ioga1977 I tried finding answers, I think it is because he is free handing it, the box needs to be completely perfect for it to line up perfectly. Also no one really draws a perfect box or elipse just close enough, from what I've heard.

Okay, but once you know the 4 tangent points and the major and minor axes, how do you actually _draw_ the ellipse? The step at 8:26 might as well have been magic to me.

If you're starting with a box... Then how do you know the wall of your box is a square? Cause it has to be square not a rectangle to fit a perfect elipse inside (circle in perspective) 😉🧐 So actually the point for this exercise is to make 1st wall of your box look like a square in perspective 😊 I'm a drawing teacher and I watch your videos to refresh and strengthen my skills 👍Thanks for your videos!

One thing I thing I struggle with after seeing your video is : why the major axis is on the up-right of the center of the square (building the cylinder), as this part is closer to us (as it seems we look from right above) shouldn't we see more and the major axis be lower left ? When you moved the vinyl disc it was so and it "feels" more logical according to perspective rules (the farther, the smaller).

@brmoosh7380

3 ай бұрын

I did question that part for a bit and figured out an answer for myself: 2:07 When you look at the disc, the major axis is closer to us and the center of the disc is further from us. The reason is that the major axis divides the ellipse into two halfs: • The first half is FURTHER, hence appears SMALLER but shows MORE of the whole disc. That's why we see both one half and the center of the disc. • The second half is CLOSER, hence appears BIGGER but also shows LESS of the whole disc. That's why we only see the remaining half of the disc. 10:18 So when sketching out the ellipse from the box, he put the major axis closer to us and let the further half have the center. This is how I understand the video and I tried to explain the best way I can, hope this help! :)

I need to know how you knew how much to move the major axis from the center on the squished diamond square... thats the confusing point for me

@queyrel05

3 ай бұрын

Hi, just ignore the photograph of the disk and focus on the drawing of the ellipse. You can identify the major axis by joining the 2 points that are the widest appart (were the ellipse is the more "curved"). Hope that makes sense…

0:17 Iltempo Gigante!!

How do I master the box? How do I practice properly

Stan, you have really great content on your channel, but I found out recently, that the statement regarding the axle of rotation and the minor axis (that they are both on the same line) is wrong. I took a picture of the circle inscribed in a square and used editor to put ellipse over it, and the diagonal intersection is in most cases offset from the minor axis.

Hi proko, I love your videos and content, the information in there is so valuable and well presented, I’ve been following you for a long time now a great deal of my anatomical knowledge comes from your tutorials! Nevertheless, and its pains me to say so, the affirmation "the minor axis of the ellipse is aligned with the axis of rotation" is unfortunately false (and that’s a bummer because it would be incredibely usefull!) I know many books (and good ones!) and content on perspective do say so but it is simply false, and can be proved mathematically. But more easily, just grab an image with a tilted circle where the perpendicular axis, or rotational axis can easily be identified and you’ll see that if you (very) carefully identify the ellipse and its minor axis (maybe major first because its easier to see), it’s not aligned with the axis... In your video that can actually be seen when pausing on the barbell image… Sure it’s pretty close but its less inclined. When the perspective becomes more distorted or when you’re approaching the 60° CoV its even more false. I’d be happy to discuss this further, that’s something that’s always bothered me: I try to spread the good (or rather "bad" in this case…) word when I get the chance!

@andreyostr

2 ай бұрын

You are absolutely right, that was also my recent discovery. However there is are few reasons, why this rule is used. 1. this simplification is rather useful for artists who don't aim to create a constructive drawing. 2. Human eye is capable to see things in focus in a very limited range (round 5 degrees). So in order to draw a picture we will move our focus on that object. And as soon as you move it to ellipse (as a cylinder base) this rule with minor axis will immediately work. Yes, if we create constructive drawing with wide CoV, than you should consider that this rule is not working. Also on photos you'll always see the difference, because photo can fit much more information in focus, than the human eye (and that you see on dumbbell pic example)

Hello! So in izometric view the circles center should be the center of the ellipse too, right?

@ProkoTV

3 ай бұрын

Yep! Isometric is an odd little beast where there can be a rotating form but there won't be any really diminution.

Learning perspective at 12 am

Wooooo we're coming full circle again hahah.

@ProkoTV

3 ай бұрын

😆

Wht s that minors angle and major angle

There is a difference between an oval and an ellipse. Ovals, specifically with two simmetry axis are composed of circunference arcs. Ellipses, what this video is about, are different curves that can not be drawn with a compass.

IDK why but the shape you drew for the thumbnail reminded me of the Taken King's Dreadnaught from Destiny.

can u do a tutorial for anime / manga pls i subbed

Projected geometry gives simple solution. All what you need is point where ellipse tangents cross diagonals of square. Take half of side of perspective square and draw real rectangle over that side , draw diagonal , draw arc from one side of diagonal that has radius sam as side of square . Where diagonal and arc intersect , project that point to common side real square and perspective half square . Project that point in perscpective on diagonals , and you have point where ellipse meets diagonals . Than you draw tangents that are paralle to opossite diagonals . You have 8 point and 8 tangents . Its easy to connect that

Brings to mind the DVD logo, where the center isn't in perspective

Me: skipping box drawing and going for fun with ellipses Boxes: "Where Did That Bring You? Back To Me"

Hello sir, Sir currently I'm pursuing my 12th grade studies can you suggest mi a regular drawing schedule b.coz due to edu study I'm not able to manage time to do art and improve art

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How does the long axis move towards us? It should move away right

@ProkoTV

3 ай бұрын

Can you drop a time code for which part you mean?

@merlin9240

3 ай бұрын

remember, the long axis is referring to the *ellipse* which the 2D shape that describes the *circle* that is tilted in a third dimension. Finding the centre of the ellipse does not find the centre of the circle.

@risaalshaan

3 ай бұрын

@@ProkoTV no problem I had to rewatch it a few times! I get it now.

@risaalshaan

3 ай бұрын

@@merlin9240 thanks

9:27 I don't know about that. I think that when the minor axis is aligned in such a way that it points to the vanishing point, the center of the elipse has to be closer to the vanishing point and the major axis needs to be closer to the observer, not the other way around. The portion of the elipse closer to the observer and farther from the vanishing point is, as you mentioned before, bigger, so it pushes the center of the elipse away from the observer and closer to the vanishing point relative to the major axis. If there is no vanishing point, or if the minor axis isn't in the aforementioned alignment, then it's hard to determine the placing of the major axis and the center of the elipse relative to each other, at least that's how it seems to me. In that case, I think it's just best to follow the geometry of the square, keeping the center of the elipse over the center of the square, and eyeballing how the elipse needs to fill the square without thinking too much about the positioning of the major axis.

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0:11

Okay i am looking, drawing along, observating what your doing and i still cant do it... Is there anywhere i can show you guys how i am doing it so that you can tell me what i am doing wrong here cus i feel like i need to learn this if i ever want to be good at drawing.

@ProkoTV

2 ай бұрын

Absolutely! The Proko community is free and full of instructors, critiquers, the Proko team and other artists who can help you out with art you share and ask for help with. All for free! www.proko.com/community

10:04 are you sure ? I am confused . U made close part of the ellipse smaller, than far one ?

@andreyostr

2 ай бұрын

just a free hand drawing mistake.

9:25 I still don’t understand why the long axis doesn’t meet the center point of the square, and I especially don’t understand why it’s a little closer to the viewer since in the vinyl example it‘s a little bit further from the viewer? ;_; help

@andreyostr

2 ай бұрын

major (long) axis of the ellipse should be exactly in the middle of the ellipse. In the video it's a mistake. But it's never goes through the center of the square in the perspective. The reason is: perspective foreshortening

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Hey proko! I have hard time figuring out where the major axis has to be in the square? It would be so good if you respond to my text!!

You still young sir❤❤

Does the side of ellipse toward to us is thinner than far from us?

@ProkoTV

3 ай бұрын

You can see a breakdown of this with examples at 3:44 of the video. Hope that answers your question.

@HrUtubel

3 ай бұрын

He corrected the major axis but didn’t notice that now the ellipse is not symmetrical around that axis anymore. Also the farther ellipse should be rounder, corners outside it should appear to be of equal size.

@marcusjohnson6212

3 ай бұрын

​@HrUtubel sorry for misunderstanding, i mean the half of ellipse from center toward to us is thinner than from center away from us? because in example of Stan at 10:00 he correct his previous drawn line and makes it thinner towards to us than the one that away from us.

@marcusjohnson6212

3 ай бұрын

​@@HrUtubel on example on 02:44 he shows on disc that half of ellipse from center toward is thicker that the other

now the real challenge is to draw a cylinder that has been squashed to have an ellipse cross section... What does an ellipse in perspective look like? More ellipses?!?

@andreyostr

2 ай бұрын

Any ellipse will be another ellipse in the perspective.

Oval from ou/ egg , lips for elips becouse lips are mostly simatrical

borderline witchcraft! Thianks. I would have looked-without-seeing for ages that a tilted circle was a symetrical elipse but the middle wasn't the middle. (edit: was bad sentense)

The text on the thumbnail is incorrect, "ellipse" and "oval" should be reversed. Like he says here 0:36 Edit: it has been fixed

@seanramsey

3 ай бұрын

Good catch! Should be fixed soon

I normally draw orthogonal non-perspective cubes and seeing a perspective rectangular box just screws me up. It personally looks wrong to me. I'm a CAD major so the software doesn't institute perspective so drawing an elliptical object makes zero sense until I train myself to reflectively think of its vanishing point. Thank you for the upload.

5:28 !!

wait, i though two side of the ellipse must have the same size as you said at 2:20 But the two sides of the ellipse you drew at 10:16 are not the same size

both claims at 2:41 are wrong. in most cases the minor axis neither goes through the center point, nor does it aim at the perpendicular vanishing point. He has chosen examples in this video where these claims appear true, for example by holding the vinyl record horizontally centered in front of the camera. Also a narrow camera fov helps conceiling this, as a narrow fov is closer to an orthographic projection, which has much nicer properties. You can easily confirm this by drawing multiple parallel cylinder columns standing on the floor and the boxes that surround them. At some point you notice that you cannot satisfy both conditions of - touching all 4 sides of the box at their center AND - having the minor axis go towards the vanishing point (the false claim)

I just realized I've been drawing ellipses wrong this whole time😭 But I know this can help me draw the head more correctly I guess (Loomis Head)

I really really would like to try this course but… i cant afford it

@ProkoTV

3 ай бұрын

That's why we try to upload a lot of free lessons for the course. Hopefully, these work in the meantime. We'll have a sale in the summer as well but you can get a ton for free here on the channel. Hope it helps!

@RoddVeiler

3 ай бұрын

@@ProkoTV thats enough

Jesus Christ ... This opened my eyes. What the f*ck ... This changes everything.

I don't get it. I opened Blender and saw it's true, but I don't get it. How does it stays ellipse in any perspective? The centre point gets offset, that I get, since when a square got distorted into a trapezoid, the same thing happen; But no matter how hard the perspective distort a circle, it stays ellipse in any angle. HOW???

@13x666

3 ай бұрын

I'm very confused by this type of question tbh. Personally, I'd be flabbergasted if it became anything other than an ellipse at any point, I'd shout HOW??? then... What other shape would feel more intuitive to you?

@Evitrea

3 ай бұрын

@@13x666 Oval, since whatever closer to the camera looks bigger I know that the widest part in the eye is not the widest part of the object, but how does it stays perfect symmetrical in 2 axis??

@andreyostr

2 ай бұрын

@@Evitrea read about conic sections. There you'll get an answer, since conic sections (with two other cases) are ellipses.

@Evitrea

2 ай бұрын

@@andreyostr Thanks