I have chosen a winner! There was lots of good suggestions but @Dan Sacco got in there early with a risqué (for my channel at least) slogan of "The best Trials riders shave their pawls!". I chose this one as it really did give me a genuine laugh :P Dan there's no contact information on your page so could you please fire me a message on any of my social media channels and I'll get your postage information to send these pawls and springs your way :) Thanks to everyone else who commented and joined in the fun!

Love this! I’ll never attempt to do it myself, but it’s given me a better understanding of how a hub works! 👍🏾

Finally! I waited for this ever since you announced it and I'm so hyped for this🚀

@Ali_Clarkson

2 жыл бұрын

Always good to hear :)

You're great, guys! Lovely smart mod and very simple to be done. The performance doubes from the two shorten paws and maybe doubles again because of the extra springs. You just inspired me to take angle grinder and the caliper from the garage, well done! Thank you! Wouldn't mind to send me some extra paws and springs if I mess it up (hope not). Cheers!

Even though I won't be doing this mod, I feel vindicated for doubling up my springs to get more life out of my Stans 3.30 hubs. As much as I like the lightweight aluminium construction, they just don't last. So re-using spare parts, namely the springs, from various dead Stans hubs I can get better spring action. Also (if you have more springs like I do), they can be shoved behind the pawls to fill the space that opens up as the hub body wears. I love these in depth modfication videos, you guys are so creative and an amazing workshop at Tarty.

The video kinda gave me a nostalgia trip,I remembered when I was into trials. Ordering online from tartybikes , grinding the rims with an angle grinder, putting tar on your rims. The "TGS" times where Watson, Tunnicliffe and so were big. TRA also. The Beau memorial rides... I might need to get a trials bike again. It would be a shame if the sport dies out... Keep it up!

“Make Hope hubs pro again” cheers for the video Ali, if tarty sold this I can guarantee it would sell amazingly and I truly hope they do

Just done this to my pro 4 works a treat and sounds class

I've been waiting for this. I was staring for ages at your picture on the other video for ages but couldn't figure it out

@Ali_Clarkson

2 жыл бұрын

Happy to be of service!

great work on all fronts :} it may be the case that doubling the springs on just two paws (long+short) would have the same effect of 'snapping' things into place but also keep the drag & wear to a minimum... (theoretically when one claw engages, it's pair should also lock in). imo hubs, just like exhaust pipes, are fun when loud for short periods of time.

Excellent video. I gained quite a bit of insight about hub engagement.

Enjoying this TartyTour!

Was actually curious about this. Sounds mad in comparison to a stock Pro 4!

@Ali_Clarkson

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah it’s noticeable!

@oldmanbucksaw

Жыл бұрын

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"Dont Think, Just Engage!" Thats the slogan! Awesome video! Like this kind of diy bike stuff!

I did this a couple of months ago after someones off-hand comment in the pub about it being a possibility. can say its so much better, still on the alloy free hub - defo ordering a steel one now- its fairly easy to do with a vice and a file.

that was crazy!thanks for this amazing content guys, super interesting

Hey Ali Clarkson! Nice precision hack! Lookin forward to the competition vid next week! Ride ride ride!

I use Tarty for MTB and BMX. Those guys sell super good quality stuff and I've only ever had good experiences with them.

The Double Clicker,loving the single cog conversion

Just did this on my Pro 4. Feels and sounds amazing.

Would be interesting to see what a profile elite would sound like with this mod!

I'm loving these vids Ali great tech vids that guys a guru what a legend

"Here at TartyBikes we bring Hope back 4 Pros" I still think Hope has the best hub sound. Ideally they would make a high engagement boost hub. The fact that this video was so anticipated proves that there's market demand for such a thing. The closest price competitive hubs I've found are Spank's Hex Drives. Call me insane but I'd still take the modified Hope as long as I could find a steel body that matches my prospective cassette.

@mickenoss

2 жыл бұрын

Some of the best sounding hubs I've ever heard were a Ringlé from back in the day and even more so a DT Swiss from back in the day. Crispy as hell.

@adrian2057

2 жыл бұрын

Look at Arc 6 pawl 117 POE. Soo cheap, soo good. I use them for 2 years and no problem.

@trailonfire8581

2 жыл бұрын

In my opinion, hope makes some of the best hugs, but if they build hubs, Wich had more clicks, it would be awesome, or at least a easy tuning opportunity like bontrager!

@davebryan1890

Жыл бұрын

@@mickenoss oh wow that makes me feel old thinking back to the days when ringle first came out, can you remember cooks bro, Paul and real engineering as well, I used to look at those and think how many hours I’d have to work on my huge wage of £2.01p an hour to be able to afford them

@mickenoss

Жыл бұрын

@@davebryan1890 I remember Cook Bros, not so much the other 2. £2.01 lol, I remember starting at 89p an hour. 🤣

Nice video will be sharing with my bike gang so we can all be ruthless and loud down the trials. “Pawls springs, make your hub sing”

Looking forward to that BMX build!

Pretty interesting. Definitely going to double up the Pawls and springs on my bontrager hub now.

@OLI-vx1md

Жыл бұрын

You got a steel freehub on there? Because most of them are aluminium as far as I'm aware, and they clearly say that isn't advised.

@Lil_tylenol

11 ай бұрын

Maybe not advised, but def still doable modding the alum driver, depending on both the weight of the rider and the load it’s put thru, if your were light or for the average person that rode about easy, it would be ok and it would still last a while modding the alum one, it would sit right where it should be between Alum/steel pros and cons.. I’d be interested to see if the average generic pawls work just as well compared to the factory hope ones. This was a great video and explanation of how it all works 2!

Tartybikes is absolutely great and this video is too 👍

Thx! Learning something new always good! Keep up the good job. 👍 👍👍.

The spring trick works on most hubs not tryd the double engagement trick tho great vid :) thanks for sharing it :) looking forward to seeing some more street trials to :)

Great info guys i have stretched the springs which work well also . To reduce rolling drag i every paper the id of the green seal to make it thinner with a biggger hole rolls way faster i will definately give this a go i,m what i call a hard xc trials rider emagine moto hard enduro on a mtb , and have brocken a few pauls and stripped a pro 4 drive gear and i do run the steel ones hope have been great with warranties , thanks again makes total sense .

I've been waiting for this since you teased it! I think you would just simply call it "Hope Pro 4 Pro" as a tongue-in-cheek name. I would love to buy a Hope Pro 4 Pro Professional Mod Kit.

Quality video, well explained 👏. Don't think I'll be trying it though. I wouldn't have a HOPE in hell of it going right 😝

Amazing Mod! I call it „Hope goes quick and dirty“.

Good engagement points in this video! Cool

Amazing video and explanation. Thx

Good video gents . Tarty bikes il be in contact soon regarding a rear hub for my bmx race bike

Fantastico rimarrei ore in ufficiale ad imparare e guardare complimenti 🤟🖐👏👏👏

Pro 5 just been released can’t wait to get 1. Better seals better springs and 6 pawls. Probably not gonna buy a i9 hydra now and stick with hope

Like 100 been waiting for this

Running a Profile Elite on my BMX has 204 POE, it's bonkers! Then I started seeing this mod mentioned on a few Trials Riders videos. Definitely interested to see what this is all about! Edit: This is definitely a very clever idea, taking from the newer Hubs design to update the older hubs. Can definitely see why this is a try this at your own risk/not at all haha. Part of me gets a bit nostalgic thinking about bikes BITD when you could modify your bike to pretty much whatever you wanted but of course now bike parts are made from lessons learned & you don't really need to do any heavier modifications to your bike anymore. Now you're dropping hints about a BMX too Ali! I'm absolutely in for this!! Im guessing a street bike with everything you do on the Trials Bike, gunna be interested to see what you come up with!

Great video ! Slogan “Engage” 🚴‍♂️

slogan: we hope it works :), great video whilst I'm a mtb/djer game me a greater understanding of hubs, cheers lads

OMG... I CANNOT believe Master Adam hand-held an angle grinder for that job. LEGENDARY!! lol

Great stuff ali

Hi Ali, commenting on a year-old video but I wanted to give you credit for this solid modification. ❤ Engaging half the pawls at a time, __symmetrically__, is so much more sound than the way I9 do it, with gradual engagement as the hub and axle flex. Hope axles don't have a reputation for snapping, unlike the ones from North Carolina that depend on flexing an aluminium axle to get those points of engagement.

Very informative video!…thanks for sharing!…😎

Love the techie videos Ali....

Not connected to the video just wanted to tell you that you Inspired me to finally order a trials bike, I’ve wanted one for a long time and watching your videos made me realize it was time to order one. I ordered a Inspired Fourplay Pro and am expecting it next week.😃

@Ali_Clarkson

2 жыл бұрын

That’s actually amazing! Thanks for letting me know…I hope you have an absolute blast on it! 😁🤘🏻

That click is the click of an alarm clock bomb from cartoons when I was a kid!

Engagements cant find them ? grind them ! awesome little tech tips like this are always fun to watch :)

i literally have 0 need to do this, but i sure WANT to do it now :)

Good to know its something we always do ourselves so might end up on one the enduros for a test

I love these types of videos. I use double springs and love it.

I love these tweeks! "Hub Nerds"

Definitely going to do this dispite the disclaimers as I’m sure most people watching will want to do haha! I’d calm the the product “hope pro pawls”

Gotta love the angle grinder technique, especially when there's a mill sitting right there. I suppose the grinder is quick with zero setup but If your are gonna do a few and want them accurate the mill is the way to go.

@rogeriocosta1035

2 жыл бұрын

Those pawls are usually hardened and tempered too. One more reason to use the grinder.

@Savagetechie

2 жыл бұрын

@@rogeriocosta1035 carbide will still easily go through them.

@rogeriocosta1035

2 жыл бұрын

@@Savagetechie Sure! You just need a good setup to hold such small hardened parts to cut them without caching and breaking the tool (or making a dent on the wise etc). Like you said before, It depends on the quantity.

@stanleykachuik2589

Жыл бұрын

This demo is relatable to most of the audience. I have all the tools necessary in my garage.

@rollinrat4850

Ай бұрын

@@rogeriocosta1035 By the discoloration you can see after grinding, he's annealed the steel making it SOFTER. Not 'ideal'. Im a retired machinist. I'd machine new pawls from tool steel, THEN properly harden them. Thats the proper way. To best control heat on such a tiny piece of metal , you'd best use a temp controlled oven. Not a kitchen oven!! None of this is rocket science. This guy's a hack. At the VERY LEAST, grind and quench in water to avoid annealing. We always keep a bucket of water next to our bench grinders. Precision grinders use flood coolant as well.

cant wait to see a bmx video ;)

Love this

Thanks Ali!! Makes me want a hope hub on my mod even more. What's the advantages over a freewheel?!

@rollinrat4850

Ай бұрын

Cassette hubs will have a much stronger axle, which is supported by 4 bearings. A freewheel hub has two bearings and the drive-side end of the axle extends way out past the DS bearing. This increases the bending moment upon the axle. I havent broken an axle on an SS wheel yet, not that Ive really tried. My White Industry axle is 15mm steel though. Pretty big and strong.

Pop the pawl in a wee set of vice grips👌👍 save your digits. Most interesting, hub modification coming right up

I have a steel freehub... I may have to do this!

we edit the hubs for only changing the spring but some do remove the grease which makes alot faster to wear out.

@rollinrat4850

Ай бұрын

Those who remove lube from hub drivers, 😂(just to make them noisier) lack common sense. They'll get noisy alright. Then make no noise at all! Its their own hub to trash. They paid for it. Haha. Its 'job security' for us mechanics and pro wheel builders.

“Sometimes you want four at one time and sometimes you want two at seperate times. The best part is it’s up to you.”

Hey, Algorithm, Bluey and I had a great ride today, fantastic weather and 2234 feet of climbing, but we found a newly-opened cafe with millionaire shortbread to die for!

Wow. I would love to have that Hope Pro4 Plus. 🤭

How about get your pawls on these for a slogan. great video as always keep up the good work

So, if two short pawls and double springs was a product tv advert what would the slogan be? Best one wins the springs and pawls we made/used in this video 😁🤘🏻

@dansacco1964

2 жыл бұрын

The best Trials riders shave their pawls!

@swhoknows6241

2 жыл бұрын

Less is more, shave your pawls and gain on crawls 🤘🏽😂

@mathismignard7420

2 жыл бұрын

Slogan for the giveaway : With our new pawls and springs modifications, there is HOPE for better 😁!

@greenfefo_fpv465

2 жыл бұрын

Double the engagement, double the pawsibilities!

@markomarkus199

2 жыл бұрын

double the engagements, double the hope

what are your thoughts on the double toothed pawls inside bmx hubs like a colony wasp or some profile hubs? what is your general opinion on profile hubs?

Love the bike hacking with Adam!! This is the "Hope and Roll the Dice" mod. Due to the voided warranty and minor risk,

@cliveramsbotty6077

2 жыл бұрын

'voided warranty and minor risk' sounds very american

@joeldriver381

2 жыл бұрын

@@cliveramsbotty6077 hmm, I did not know that was stereotypical American. 😂 I like F1, Rally, the metric system, not going bankrupt due to medical costs, and trials.

@rollinrat4850

Ай бұрын

As a US aerospace machinist, I dont approve. After he grinds the pawls, by the discoloration I can see he's annealed the steel pawl. That makes the steel softer! Not ideal.

A jig would take much of the sudden lethality out of the equation.

I thought that this was a mod you did yourself off camera in your fat bike build video. For some reason I thought that one pair of the teeth would be ground down completely/ taken out so only one remains. Interesting stuff. Also; do the lads ship world wide?

@thetart20

2 жыл бұрын

Tarty will ship anywhere yep - over 85 countries so far, and counting...

Double the engagement, double the fun

Great video Ali! Is it still strong enough for trials use? A lot of people have problems with their i9 hub with mini pawls as well. Thats why I ask. :)

@Ali_Clarkson

2 жыл бұрын

Pretty much ends up the same as their trials hub which only has two pawls engaging at a time so yeah it’s fine for trials 👍🏻

@nathananson5445

2 жыл бұрын

@@Ali_Clarkson so whats the difference between this and their trials hub?

@Ali_Clarkson

2 жыл бұрын

@@nathananson5445 Adam might have to correct me here but I think the trials freehub body has two pawl pockets machined slightly offset to give the same result as two pawls being physically shorter. This mod isn’t needed if you already have the trials hub, it’s more for people who have the standard pro2/4 and want more EPs (in my case I couldn’t find a Fatbike hub with a decent number of EPs so this mod allowed me to double the number in the Hope fat hub)

@romana.2599

2 жыл бұрын

So hope pro 4 trials is already 2 pawls at a time? Thought yours sounds like way more clicks then mine :D Thanks Ali!

You can call it The Adder mod. Made by Adam your adding engagement points the snake reference as well.

LOUD AND PROUD

I "hope" to see more of this kind of content.

Thanks. My hub i9 super loud.

So you’re doubling the number of clicks per revolution, but halving the number of pawls engaged at one time from 4 to 2? Kinda tricky, if you dont grind the pawls to the exact same length you could end up with only one engagement point… but sounds cool! 😁

@rollinrat4850

Ай бұрын

By the discoloration in the pawl after grinding that I can see, hes overheated and cooked the temper out of the steel, making it softer when it needs to be quite hard. Not exactly ideal! Maybe thats why he doesn't recommend this!

Think I'll do this to my Pro 5!

@Ali_Clarkson

Жыл бұрын

I really don’t think you need to, plus I have a feeling they’ve upped the engagement points by essentially doing something very similar to what we did in this video

aPAWlingly quick engagement!

@Ali_Clarkson

2 жыл бұрын

Good good 😁

New Hope Pawls! Put them on your hub if you have the bawlls

Can you still get the old style leaf springs (bigger) , or put 2 leaf springs behind each pawl :)

I've got work tomorrow at the bike shop where I have access to an angle grinder, I'll see how it goes 😈

@thetart20

2 жыл бұрын

Let us know how you get on!

@ryansara3398

2 жыл бұрын

@@thetart20 it worked and sounds amazing especially as I've already double springed it

would recomend doing this with a grinder. As the metal turns blue I think it gets to hot and has a negativ affect of the hardnes of the material.

Hope X2 mod “Twice the engagement, Twice as loud” 🚴💪

Would there be any benefit to just doubling up on the springs and leaving the pawls?

This is a nice mod, would like them on mine. "Hope Rattlesnake 🐍 mod" 👍

@James-cs3hp

Ай бұрын

Exactly what I was thinking....rattlesnake 🐍lol

I found this educational on how hubs work.

Twice the hope of engagement!

Do you only double up the springs on the modified pawls? I have to admit it does make it sound loads better!👌🏻

@thetart20

2 жыл бұрын

You can do it on all of them - that's what we did here.

I have a Hope hub on my MTB, it is a lot louder than most, gets attention when coming up behind someone on the trail.

@bmxonel0ve

Жыл бұрын

Same here, loudest hub on track 😮‍💨 better than music sometimes

If you have both of the mod's with double spring on one modified and one unmodified paw... All of them should make a uniqe noeice/click... might sound interesting! =D

Super nice video but..... You can clearly hear that those shorten ones doesn't engage at the same time . There are actually three clicks. Reason for that is because it's done by hand with not enough accuracy. You would need some sort of a jig to shorten those pawns equal. That means two things: 1. Those hubs actually work on one point engagement at time. 2. You could probably shorten three of them to have 4x the engagement form original. What do you guys think?

Halo's come with more engagement mu friends had one and it wore out im a year where as the hopes ive got have been good for years no problems. Would 100% recommend hope components

More interested in fitting a trials hub on a boost frame. Any suggestions?

Brilliant idea with doubling the springs! Being not that smart as Adam, I've tried to bend springs to make them more powerful.

Double down short paws 👍 I take it I shouldn’t do this to my 90s ti xc hub’s though 🤦‍♂️👍✌️

Slogan for the giveaway : With our new pawls and springs modifications, there is HOPE for better 😁!

@cypri1101

2 жыл бұрын

@rollinrat4850

Ай бұрын

Nope, he annealed the steel by overheating it. You can see the discoloration. That makes the steel softer!

My slogan would be “Tarty Snazzy Snappers”

It's a great idea, and great execution. But as a machinist I know how relatively short of time it would take to make a real replacement for something like this, the correct way, and it sucks these guys don't have access to advanced technology.

@rollinrat4850

Ай бұрын

Somebody commented there was a mill in the background. Mills, lathes and grinders are hardly advanced technology these days. I believe they've existed for over a century. Not every garage hack has one though. Didn't you notice the discoloration after the grinding? Any machinist knows what that means. Its certainly not ideal. But I agree, machine new pawls, THEN properly harden them. NOT anneal them. Haha, Most 'machinists' use a bucket of water next to the bench grinder! Whether they know what it's there for or not.