I hope you find this dodge guide useful. It's really a complex boss. If you have further questions, feel free to ask. (New comments are (over time) easier to see in contrast to replies to an old existing comment). Also let me know if you defeated her and how your experience was. PS: 4K resolution is available now. I grinded the boss fight for like 15 hours and I still can't beat the whole fight no damage taken, but getting I'm close. First Phase I often complete no damage taken, but in phase 2 I always do some mistakes.

@praisemidir

2 жыл бұрын

man this is realy bs. first time i got genuily tired of a boss after demon prince in ds3

Man this would be one of my favorite fights in the game if not for that attack

@TPhGames

2 жыл бұрын

Yes agreed. It's really unnecessary. The amount of hours I spent to learn to dodge it, is really far beyond what "normal" players would go through and it's really a gate keeper attack (ofc you can learn it, but that should not require a slow motion analysis 😅). Else the fight would be a 12/10.

@RobertEdwinHouse9

2 жыл бұрын

@@TPhGames yup you either learn how to dodge a completely bs attack and she does it when you're close then you're screwed Or use a mimic and make the fight unsatisfying

@colorgreen8728

Жыл бұрын

This exactly

@blairpreaker

Жыл бұрын

I thought trying to beat and learn a seemingly impossible move is pretty cool

@earlll811

Жыл бұрын

The only problem I have with the move is mainly the start up and first flurry. I find that the last two flurry’s are relatively easy to dodge, when you don’t get hit by the first.

The fact theres alot of guides just on how to dodge an attack really says alot about this fight.

@TPhGames

2 жыл бұрын

yes it's a terrible attack =/ They should reduce the tracking of the first dash at least.

@backstab_bro

2 жыл бұрын

if this attack could be interrupted with any jump attack, that fight would be a lot more balanced

@giuseppecervelli3845

Жыл бұрын

At a certain point this attack becomes the only difficulty of the fight if you dont figure out how to avoid it

@alexandergray5977

Жыл бұрын

Not fight, the fight is a 10/10, the attack ruins the entire thing tho :/

@Ghorda9

Жыл бұрын

@@alexandergray5977 light and medium rolls got buffed, you can dodge at close range without messing with the tracking but there still is a trick to it.

this boss is so hard you need a 12 minute tutorial for 1 attack

@TPhGames

Жыл бұрын

haha yes 😅 I practices dodging that stupid attack for hours. It's terrible

@DECENTcrew

3 ай бұрын

Which is the only attack that makes this fight hard

Fighting her is like going head-to-head against Teresa from Claymore lol. Took me many tries to beat her. The only boss that I lost to so many times, to the point that I’d call it unfair.

@TPhGames

2 жыл бұрын

Yes esp. this attack is simply unfair. I spent really a lot of time figuring out and learn dodging this attack. It's just too much and not fun. Everything else is pretty awesome though.

@michael_krueger

2 жыл бұрын

Whoah that reference takes me back lol

@hightime1239

2 жыл бұрын

Wow what obscure reference..lol dope though..

@Ptolemeian

2 жыл бұрын

dog I feel you. She's killed me over 350 times. I refuse to summon or use my spirits. I will fight her as I did Radahn. And I will win. Eventually. I'll always think of her as Teresa from now on. If I could just get past this damn waterfowl dance I'd almost have her.

@realgaminginc3964

Жыл бұрын

Shit now I want to watch that anime again

Malenia is a boss that is incredibly close to being perfect but unfortunately has critical flaws. One of them being that she is capable of cancelling herself out of a stun and following up with an attack/dodge inconsistently, this is a huge problem as it can lead to a situation where you rightfully attack in one of her windows and then she retaliates with waterfowl dance while you're still in your recovery animation. Another flaw with her is the lack of reward you get after successfully evading her most difficult attacks, I firmly believe that her recovery time on these attacks SHOULD last longer to allow you to get 2-3 hits in. I hope that these issues get addressed to fromsoft and get resolved ideally in the next patch. Malenia is a beautiful bossfight, its a shame these problems have been overlooked.

@El_Ratones

2 жыл бұрын

Jump attack, light hit, procs on maces and katanas give a small stun but her dodging any punishable dashes is a glaring problem in phase two

@ronaldolawyer3865

2 жыл бұрын

Maybe it's a strength build problem I don't understand but I think her recovery time is fine, she has low poise and quite the low hp pool, and there are a lot of attacks that I can constantly punish with a jumping heavy attack, proceeded with an L2 or LB dual katana flurry, which I don't do if she moves after the jumping attack

@Aignith

2 жыл бұрын

Malenia has no flows. she has different rules but they are consistent. it's very easy to do no damage once you fully understand the fight. check my channel for few demonstration. I am not trying to promote my channel, I am not a KZreadr

@patrolaclipagens

Жыл бұрын

@@Aignith easy no damage malenia? lol

@xSilentknifegaming

Жыл бұрын

They wont, miyazaki is a chide

Trying to beat her right now (version 1.07) and in phase 1 she literally did it 4 times, with her health not even having reached 50%. The first two times she did it in a row without any normal attacks in between. Maybe she got mad I completely dodged the first one 😂

@steamedhamlet

Жыл бұрын

I felt that too! It's like if you have a high damage output or DPS she gets mad and does it until she breaks you and saps you of all hope!

@cuterancesama628

5 ай бұрын

I think That she uses this attack at 70-80% health first time and if she is able to heal by hitting the player And again reach that 70-80% mark, she will do it again

Thank you for this - seeing the multiple stage breakdowns in different speeds is super helpful. I can get so close to beating her when I can interrupt this attack with a Hemorrhage, but it just deletes me when I don't.

@TPhGames

2 жыл бұрын

Happy you found this breakdown helpful. Good luck and much success in your fight!

This is far and away the most useful guide on how to dodge waterfowl dance

Thank you so much. I beated her after one week without any summons or ashes of war. For a complete beginner in the souls series, i am very proud of myself and you cant imagie how i was shaking the moment i got her! 😂 Thanks to your guide❤

@TPhGames

Жыл бұрын

Sorry for the late answer 😅 Really well done and I'm glad my guide helped you. One of the toughest bosses (if not the toughest) in Souls for sure (it depends a bit on preference, situation and build, etc). So you can be proud to beat her like that. This attack is also not well designed. It should not take a guide like this (and me grinding this attack for 15+ hours) to overcome it. Playing without summons here is a huge challenge. I "recently" (few weeks ago) beat her in my Level 1 Run (also without parry, no shield, no summons, no ashes) on stream and it was quite tough 😂 I was completely out of training dodging it. As a result it took me 17 to 20 hours to beat her. So I can relate, that final try I had to dodge 5 Waterfowl Dances and nearly died a few times. I still want to grind Level 1 no damage taken.

Classic Fromosftware enjoyer: 6:52. Thank you for the guide 🖐️

@TPhGames

2 жыл бұрын

haha no problem, hope it was helpful 😄

@maculagravy

2 жыл бұрын

the fromsoft foot polygon count finally coming in handy

This guide was super useful. I've seen many videos explaining the point blank dodge but never explaining it like you do.

@TPhGames

11 ай бұрын

Thank you ^^ I really tried my best to explain it. I also noticed at some point, that you can circle without sprinting if you start moving early enough, which is even very consistent for me. Only if you are very late on the dodge, e.g. because you were still in an attack animation, then you have to sprint to get behind her enough, it's really tricky then.

It's a bit late but I'd like to add I'm fighting malenia now on my second full playthrough and on both playthroughs, having light carry load has helped tremendously. It just seems to help get a bit more sprint speed when you need to get out of there, and the rolling really does help going farther. My first build was a simple quality combat build with no spells and I was able to shield method her. I had plenty of stamina to tank the entire first flurry. This go around I'm INT and had to come back to these videos because she blasts my guard open with a shield. Outrunning her 1st flurry on a medium carry load isn't impossible, but might as well be when she can pop up any time. The 60% health thing is right, but keeping distance from her in 1st phase seems to make her do it more often. I've had as many as 5 water fowls first phase. Anyway, try light carry load. You should be aiming to not get hit anyway. I noticed this watching Let Me Solo Her outrun nearly all of her attacks.

I like the multiple solutions and tips granted in this video. I already switched out Radagon's Soreseal on my own, but I'm sure someone needed to hear that, so I think it was a good inclusion.

@TPhGames

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you ^^ Yes for sure. I tried some different talismans and noticed that I suddenly survived her grab attack and received far less damage overall. Soi thought it's a good hint for this video too.

Really good video, extremly clear, precise and nice to the ears. Thank you lots !

Thank you so much for doing this guide! It's easily the most complete explanation I've found, where most guides just explain your first method and assume you're at a safe distance when the attack starts. I've been fighting her for 2 hours at this point and I'd say 75% of my deaths so far involve me being in right under her when she initiates this attack. Your descriptions of other dodging methods might just carry me to victory. Well, that and Tiche.

@TPhGames

2 жыл бұрын

Glad to hear that you found it helpful. I wish you much success and good luck! I assume most people who made a guide did not grind this fight for 20+ hours 😂

Thorough info communicated with excellency. This is perfect. Thank you.

@TPhGames

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you as well. Glad you liked the guide 👍

This actually works quite well once you practice for a bit. Thank you.

Best explanation I've found on KZread so far.

@TPhGames

8 сағат бұрын

Thank you ^^ Glad you found it helpful.

This helped me beat Malenia on a RL1 run! Thanks so much for this guide

This is the best explanetion of this attack, I have seen many videos but gooosh, your advices are so good and You are very goood teaching all the details of her attack

@TPhGames

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you much appreciated :) I hope it helps people dealing with this annoying attack.

Thank you so much for this guide, i had a hard time trying to beat malenia solo using only the star fist solely due to this attack.

@TPhGames

2 жыл бұрын

no problem, glad it was helpful 😄 Yes Waterfowl Dance is a terrible attack. They should reduce the tracking of the first dash.

This will be super helpful, really struggling with waterfowl on my current challenge run. I've had her hit 3 of them in first phase at one point.

I think I’m currently at like 5 hours of only training on her and I’m now at a level where I dodge every of her attack easily and have a lot of fun fighting her, until she do this stupid attack, the first dash is the only thing that get me far away from victory against her, the only one. Even the second and third dash really are understandable but the first one, jeez…

@TPhGames

2 жыл бұрын

Yes they should reduce the tracking of the first dash. It's imo a terribly designed attack in its current form.

Really appreciate the effort you made on this video. Thank you.

@TPhGames

2 жыл бұрын

No problem, glad you liked it and found it helpful!

Thank you so much for this guide!!! Incredibly helpful

@TPhGames

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you too for commenting, glad you found it helpful! 😄

First of all, thank you for explaining it in such detail, I've tried it, and successfully felled her after a few hours. I'm also very glad you're not acting in a gatekeeping way like some of the people I asked for the advice. I'd just like to add to the discussion about the waterfowl dance. This is my first ever "soulslike" game and my 1st playthrough. I have decided to play 100% blindly except for the quests, since I've been missing some NPCs in Limgrave. Basically, I didn't skip any bosses, downed them all by myself with no summons or co-op, after more or less time, but the essence is - it is manageable with trial and error, even the whole Malenia fight, except only for this single move. That tells a lot about how out of place it is, that I have to watch KZread videos for a single attack.

@TPhGames

Жыл бұрын

Thank you, glad you liked it and that it helped you ^^ Yes I completely agree. It's out of place. To find out how to dodge it when the game came out, I practiced and experimented for like 15 hours, including recording the attack and looking at it in slow motion. It's just unnecessary.

@bajroslatina496

Жыл бұрын

@@TPhGames That's an admirable dedication to a goal and I'm very appreciative of your kindness to share your hard earned knowledge with us. People who downed her when the game was fresh are the true gigachads xD

Can confirm that she can do 2 times in a row in second phase

@TPhGames

2 жыл бұрын

Really unfortunate 😅 As said in the video, I had it it almost 2 times in a row. I think she did a kick or something in between. Can be really unfun.

@thebluntcrab5407

2 жыл бұрын

@@TPhGames yeah me and buddy were trying to use anything besides RoB to kill her and we almost had it too but if she didn’t do the waterfowl dance twice we would’ve probably gotten it lol

@TPhGames

2 жыл бұрын

wow that sounds devastating =/ Yes Rob is basically her hard counter 😅 It's a ridiculously strong weapon

@thebluntcrab5407

2 жыл бұрын

@@TPhGames I just found out with a lot of buffs and the raptor feathers claw talisman, Millicent prothesis and rotten winged talisman, and lord of blood exultation with white mask while using dual godskin peelers one with frost and one with seppuku makes short work of her

@jamesa1995

Жыл бұрын

she did it 3 times for me once

Even still year later, this is very helpful thank you so much. I find that with no summon just you and her fighting is way more fun :)

@TPhGames

Жыл бұрын

no problem, glad people find the video so helpful ^^ Yes once you can deal with Waterfowl Dance it becomes a lot more fun fighting her

Tysm for showing how to dodge the attack close up without doing the turn off lock on trick like the other guides do. I probably died to waterfowl three dozen times trying to do it by locking off, but i would freeze up or take too long and not be able to get around her. With your strat i dodged it up close first try. Thank you again bro ❤

@TPhGames

9 ай бұрын

Glad to hear ^^ Yes I feel running away can be also a bit inconsistent. You often still get hit lightly and you need to be on low equip load I think. Very impressive, that you got the close range dodge first try 😮 It's imo quite tough timing wise. Though the later you start moving, the more difficult it becomes. I guess i explained it well 😂

Your detailed explanations clarified my mind. Thank you! There were a lot of "how to dodge" videos on the internet easy to watch, but it was really hard for me to get the idea of what input is actually required until now, especially right before the third swirl. I appreciate it. I'm struggling in this boss fight because of the dances. The camera spins too much. I get panicked, scratch damaged and killed. I hope it saves me.

@TPhGames

Жыл бұрын

Good luck! Hope my videos helps. Yes the camera spin really is a problem. It often had me dodging in thee wrong direction when I started practicing this. Waterfowl Dance is really annoying and has too much tracking on the first dash. Also when you fighter on higher terrain in the boss arena, you can also get into trouble during her last dash.

My first run I was faith/dex with Treespear and Fingerprint Stone Shield. At the time it was possible to reach 100 guard boost so I abused that a lot. But not only Malenia has high Holy damage reduction, blocking her attacks also grants her heal, so very bad strategy. Ended up beating her with help from other players. Never had to deal with Waterfowl Dance. Second playthrough, many months later, I played a high int full caster. Night Comet was my best friend, since enemies won't detect it. Double night comet with Mimic Tear was more than enough to keep a constant flow of damage while staying out of her reach. Also didn't have to deal with Waterfowl Dance. Third playthrough, faith/str build, end game equip being Blasphemous Blade and Haligtree Crest Shield. Taker's Flames knocks her down and deal a lot of damage. Double that with Mimic tear. She barely could fight at all. Had to deal with Waterfowl Dance maybe once and got lucky rolls. So yeah, maybe I'm just cheap, but I never got to actually have to learn how to dodge the damn move, and I'm fine with that. She is a total BS boss so whatever strategy you can come up to beat her is valid in my book. But I do admire a lot the effort of much better players than I that actually go to the lengths of learning every single move and fight her fair. To all you true legends, my most sincere congratulations!

thx my man i did it 4x times close up while locked on i never thought i could pull it off now gotta practis to pull it off consistently !!

@TPhGames

2 жыл бұрын

nice, it was really tough for me to get somewhat consistent with it 😄 Hope it takes you less time.

I have almost 10 playthroughs under my belt by this point but I never fought her 1V1 seriously before because of this move, it wasn't worth it for me, but now I'm trying to do it just for the experience. She is my favorite character and part of the lore and it made me sad to see how the devs handled her as a boss because she's so close to being great. Oh well, thank you for this guide friend, I'll continue practicing until I get it done!

@basvangeest5485

5 ай бұрын

Good thing then that she’s probably not dead yet and you’ll likely have another chance to fight her as a true godess of rot.

You can also block the first string of attacks and then roll into her and then roll back immediatelly. I did it like that because I was rarely out of her range to be able to just avoid the first string of attacks.

Very helpful I appreciate you TPh for making a detailed guide, thankyou.

@TPhGames

Ай бұрын

Thank you, glad you found it helpful ^^

This was super helpful thank you! I feel like a god dodging her reliably now.

@TPhGames

2 жыл бұрын

awesome, well done ^^ And thank you, glad it helped :)

Thank you for this awesome Guide! You could've just said that u have this on your channel in my stream haha! xD I'm very glad that i found you :D!

@TPhGames

Ай бұрын

I did not want to advertise without permission 😅

this is the best video on this attack I've seen, tysm

@TPhGames

Жыл бұрын

Thank you :) Glad it was helpful ^^

best guide I've seen. your amount of subs is ridiculous. Fantastic work, well done mate

@TPhGames

Жыл бұрын

Thank you, much appreciated! I unfortunately rarely upload videos here, so subs are hard to get. On my main channel I cover Lord of the Rings lore stuff and it's better there sub-wise (almost 45k), but that's also where most of my video output capabilities go 😅 Really need to make some gaming related content for this channel again.

Thanks dude legit helped me , was doing a strength build great sword only no summons and man this was the only attack that would kill me everytime because I’d be too close and couldn’t dodge that first waterfowl the other 2 are easy to dodge but that first one up close is so annoying 😭 but the tracking of her feet detail was crucial. I’d see vids of this move but couldn’t understand how long I need to run under her , now I know it’s until she has her back facing you , I’d always run to much around her and she would track me killing me.

@TPhGames

3 ай бұрын

Glad you found it helpful. Yes the hint with looking at her foot is really helpful. There is also this variant of this where you lock out the camera and circle around her very close and run out of it. Interestingly this only works when the camera is locked out. I have not learnt that technique yet, but plan on trying that out as well. Still "my" current technique works quite well too. Only If I'm a bit away from her, it gets really difficult to impossible.

This is the most complete guide to this dance I’ve seen yet.

@TPhGames

2 ай бұрын

Thank you ^^ A few things are I found out since I made this guide are missing though: - There is a weird back roll dodge, that is possible; not sure how consistent it is yet. - And you can cancel Waterfowl Dance with one Freezing Pot (as long as Malenia has no frostbite state). This works 2 (or 3?) times instantly, then you need an additional pot to freeze her. - Also there is this lock the camera out and circle around her move to close range dodge WFD. It seems to be more consistent than my method.

Studied this guide and learned this attack pattern thoroughly only for Malenia to use it once during the whole fight. Gg tho ain't complaining

@TPhGames

Ай бұрын

haha, well glad it still helped you that one time 😅 But yes can happen that she does not use it.

Really helpful guide ❤✌️ even though i managed to beat her this morning legit for the first time 🥳

@TPhGames

3 ай бұрын

Congrats and thank you ^^

It always seems that the game can sense when your doing good because i had an excellent attempt and taken pretty much no damage except from a few minor attacks but nothing huge then she done Waterfowl 3 times in a row i mostly dodged them all and then followed up with nonstop attack chain for near on 20 seconds and i didn't even get a hit in she eventually killed me due to me running out of stamina while in the nonstop attack chain dude like that is nuts

You helped me a lot! Thanks to you I defeated her solo.

@TPhGames

Жыл бұрын

awesome congrats, glad my guide helped ^^ (sorry for the late answer)

Actually cold proc cancels her Flurry as well. Throw a Freezing Pot at her and she goes down lol. However this works only 2 times per fight. Also you don't have to use Turtle Shield at RL1. There are other %100 physical negation shields like Brass Shield. Use that instead if you want to use Barricade Shield. Another AoW you can use for your shield is Vow of Indomitable. Can be used to avoid all the flurries and she won't get healed as if you would block with Barricade Shield.

@TPhGames

2 жыл бұрын

Good to know ^^ I assumed it worked too, but did not remember (also tried her early on with a cold proc sword). The reason I picked the turtle shield was that it gives Stamina Regeneration (so a lot of people might find it interesting) and it's really easy to get, so I went with that. But ofc other shields would work as well. Vow of Indomitable is a good hint too.

@hakimonn

2 жыл бұрын

@@TPhGames Turtle Shield was a good pick pre-nerf. But since the physical negation is lower now, i think it's better to go with a %100 physical negation shield if your intend is to block the first flurry. Can always craft Pickled Turtle Neck for stamina regen if you are into that. But obviously you can keep it offhand just to get stamina regen if you are not gonna use it for blocking.

@gwynbleidd1917

2 жыл бұрын

@@hakimonn thats a terrible strategy because she gains health every time you block, regardless if you take damage. You're better off using bloodhound step, or vow of indomitable

@hakimonn

2 жыл бұрын

@@gwynbleidd1917 I didn't mean to block the entire combo. You can block the first flurry and dodge the second and third. As demonstrated in this video. It's not a bad strategy at all. Easy and accesible for most builds.

@gwynbleidd1917

2 жыл бұрын

@@hakimonn except that you're literally healing her every time you block. It's literally a bad strategy, regardless of your delusions.

Wow you’re such a good teacher here, so clear and precise! Thanks for sharing your tips, this is the fight I’m dreading the most…

@TPhGames

Жыл бұрын

Thank you, much appreciated. Glad you found this guide helpful. I make videos explaining stuff on YT for some years now, so I have some practice I guess 😄 (also sorry for the late answer; busy on my main channel right now)

Rebinding roll after a few minutes struggling with furled finger rolling just changed this whole game for me

thank you SO SO SO much, I do decent against Malenia but I could never get past her first phase because I always end up dying to her Waterfowl, or I take too much damage and immediately get killed by a follow up attack or combo.

@TPhGames

Жыл бұрын

Glad it helped you, much success ^^ Also the roll distance on light weight was increased in the current patch, which can for sure help against her.

Best guide out there. Cheers!

@TPhGames

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you, much appreciated ^^

thanks a lot for the great, detailed guide

@TPhGames

Жыл бұрын

no problem, happy it was helpful and thanks for commenting 👍

My man you need to get highlighted, the quality of this video is surprisingly S tier

@TPhGames

Жыл бұрын

Thank you much appreciated ^^ (sorry for eh late answer)

Another downside to blocking is she still manages to heal from all the hits you're taking

I used s shield, where I was able to dodge most of her spinning attacks. The shield was fully upgraded. I used the rivers of blood with that, so....she did not take me that long at all, well less than 30 deaths. Malikath and Godfry took me way longer.

@TPhGames

2 жыл бұрын

Yes I guess the approach can make a difference. I didn't use a shield on my first playthrough, so Malenia took me the longest. The 2nd Godfrey/Hoarah Loux I got in like 10-15 tries (irrelatively fast). Maliketh also took a long time for me, but more because his timings are my Kryptonite (took for ever to learn them), but he dies very fast. I played with a normal straight sword (Lordsworn's Straight Sword ) for the most part and later just with the Uchi and glass cannon-ish, so some of the bosses took a lot of time 😄

Thanks for this man. Already died to her like 20 times today

This seems like an attack they accidentally left in from Sekiro. It's BS and ruins what would otherwise possibly be my favorite boss. When I beat her I had just started using Bloodhound Step eventually because I didn't feel like sitting there waiting forever for her to do it, and didn't know about the weird underneath manipulation at the time. It's the only time in this entire series I felt I HAD to change my approach in terms of equipment or gear in order to succeed. I guess if I knew about the underneath I could have done it without but I don't understand how people even figured that out, guess I'm just bad :) Anyways, good video!

@TPhGames

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you ^^ Yes this attack is really nonsensical. Could be a 12/10 boss fight without it, I agree. I guess it at times also feels a bit random (really hard to predict what she is doing next). I figured it out by accident that you can get behind her before she dashes and got less damage. From there I experimented with that a bit but I was highly inconsistent. I grinded this boss for 15 hours or something and after that I was decent, but still not consistent. By now I'm OK-ish, but for "no damage taken" I still need to practice some more. It's hard to believe that this attack is in the game at all. It feels really off. I think if they would reduce the tracking of the first dash, it would fit a bit more. I also struggle with her Phantom Spirits if I'm too close (or whatever this attack is called), but here I know it's my fault for messing up the timings.

This attack made what would have been a perfect fight into what might be the worst fight in the game

@TPhGames

Жыл бұрын

Yes agreed =/ I guess once you get it down, the fight becomes cool, but the way to that point, is just too long and frustrating even for Souls.

@alric8940

Жыл бұрын

@@TPhGames agreed I am able to pretty consistently cancel her dance with my frost bombs (which I also do with her clone attack I don’t like that one either but not as much as waterfowl) but you have to have really good timing 1 extra roll or drink form your flask and you are screwed You may be happy to hear that I have successfully beat her legit twice as if this comment

@TPhGames

Жыл бұрын

Oh that is an interesting technique as well. Nice to hear. Congrats and well done ^^ (Unfortunately I look far too infrequent into the comments here, esp. over the holidays 😅)

great video. cold proc works twice. she sometimes will do an extra leap towards the player in the 3rd attack, but i’m not sure why. i think it has to do with player location/movement.

Just beat her today, I managed to dodge the waterfowl with minor damage cause of this video. Liked 👍

@TPhGames

Жыл бұрын

congrats ^^ glad my video was helpful (sorry for the late answer)

Very helpful guide my friend

@TPhGames

Жыл бұрын

Thank you! Glad you found it useful 😄

If you attack her with ranged spells cannot dodge, like night shard or frenzy burst, then she will spam waterfowl dance very frequently even in the first phase. If you can dodge this one attack then she becomes almost trivial with a spell like night shard.

thanks man, best vid on the subject

@TPhGames

Жыл бұрын

Thank you ^^

Fighting malenia with waterfowl is like walking under the storm with no protection. 💀

@TPhGames

7 ай бұрын

Yes 😅

This boss makes me forget all the fun I had with this game.

This fight is great. Music, lore, atmosphere, mechanics, sound design, visual design, all on point. Except for fucking waterfowl dance. It is easily the most unfair and unfun mechanic of most any boss I’ve fought in a game. I can dodge through the first and second flurries fairly well while running, but I’ll still be basically guaranteed to get hit. I would be fine with this if it was consistent, couldn’t initiate in literally an instant, and couldn’t happen multiple times in the fight. Mohg has his blood rite which is cool, dangerous, and consistent in when it happens. He doesn’t do it multiple times in the fight, it doesn’t come out the moment you start a jump attack or as soon as he gets up from a stun, and most importantly it can be countered in a fair way. You can actually heal through it, which yes, wastes flasks but you have the option. Additionally there’s an item you can find that counteracts the effect, which I think is cool. He also has a shackle, much like Margit. Malenia has none of these types of counter items at all, while still having an attack that is, for most people, a guaranteed loss of a decent portion of their hp that can, mind you, initiate immediately after she recovers from being staggered or anytime after she passes 60ish percent health. If you could get something like blasphemous claw or the Purifying Crystal Tear for malenia, maybe even just for waterfowl, that might cheapen the attack slightly, but that’s fine imo because the dance ruins the fight anyways. Or, if she only used it once in both phases, and had some special dialogue about it like Mohg had, it could be cool and maintain difficulty. Hell, you could even do both and get some dialogue about how it was the same method Mohg used to steal Miquella. And maybe then she could open a new attack set from that as a trade off for waterfowl out of anger.

Thank you for this video it helps me allot❤

@TPhGames

Жыл бұрын

no problem, glad it was helpful 👍 Good luck and much fun on your further playthrough!

Melania is what it feels like to fight Isshin from sekiro without: deflect, shinobi tools, mikiri counter .......

Light rolling back and sprint backwards + jump are the most consistent for me. But they are still only like 80%. I can't figure out what makes the difference. She just catches me on flurry 1 sometimes. Especially if I start further away.

Sounds good. I should probably try my Darkmoon GS with Jellyfish Great Shield setup but block the first attacj.

I must say, it's been a lot of fun watching numerous youtubers getting severely beaten up over the last few months by this mighty lady! :D

Interesting and informative video :-)

@TPhGames

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you 😄

I have never had to watch a guide for a boss yet in this game and now I am having to watch it for ONE attack 😂

@TPhGames

27 күн бұрын

Yes it's a nonsense attack 😅 The rest of her stuff is more straight forward to dodge though, but also very difficult.

@harry6270

27 күн бұрын

@@TPhGames Yeah I am really enjoying countering her other attacks. Honestly, this would be one of my favorite bosses if it weren’t for this one attack.

I see, so I truly need to run around her during singleplayer. I still need a friend to test but I believe for ping issues the game actually slows her down during waterfowl making for a easier dodge. I'll practice that, gotta impress my friends. Thanks, pal.

useful thanks

Brother you are the best thanks!

@TPhGames

5 ай бұрын

Happy it helped 😄 It also helped me recently to defeat her rune level 1 without taking damage ( kzread.info/dash/bejne/n3-Ns5WHp823nso.html ). So the close range dodge strat is still carrying me to this day ^^ Though I know there is a slightly different one, where you lock out the camera when you circle around her.

@frezzeir4033

5 ай бұрын

@@TPhGames just beaten her (2. time but without summons so 1v1) your tutorial helped me and i could dodge it like 7/10 times but if she was colse i died faster than i walked into that boss room. The close dodge i just cant figure it out.

@TPhGames

5 ай бұрын

Congratulations ^^ Yes the close range dodge is really really difficult. I practiced Malenia alone like 70-80 hours by now and I only get the close range dodge something like 8/10 times. The later you start circling around her the more precise it becomes. It's in that regard a stupid attack.

Died 100 times, killed in the first try after watching this video. thanks

I beat her without guides using mimic tear and getting lucky with her barely using the waterfowl dance. I felt bad for cheesing her, but in hindsight, if she has an attack that's so bullshit that tons of guides are made for it, going for a cheese strat it isn't that bad i guess.

@TPhGames

Жыл бұрын

Yes this attack is really nonsensical. They should just reduce its tracking (also sorry for the late answer)!

Your video helped me defeat Malenia

@TPhGames

2 жыл бұрын

Nice and well done, happy it was helpful for you :) Much fun on your further journey through Elden Ring!

This is a fantastic video

@TPhGames

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you, glad you liked it 😄

@GodWarsX

2 жыл бұрын

@@TPhGames I've been using the outrun, roll thru, redirect strategy for months.. but man for the more advanced strategy I just could not figure out the close up circle around dodge for the first wave. Not until you pointed out the back of Malenia's foot. That was the one crucial piece of info. Now I can do it! You unlocked my potential hahaha

@TPhGames

Жыл бұрын

haha yes I can see how this little hint is very helpful. Also helped me getting a lot more consistent with it. Glad it helped! (sorry for the late answer; was busy on the main channel covering LotR Rings of Power trailers 😅)

thank you

@TPhGames

2 жыл бұрын

no problem, glad the guide was helpful ^^

I played a game where she literally did waterfowl dance 5 times in a row without any other attacks in-between. I couldn’t believe it.

@TPhGames

2 ай бұрын

haha OK that is unfortunate. I have seen it 3-times in a row, but it#s extremely rare - at least if you play melee. She does not far more often, if you attack her with ranged attacks.

I just had her do dance 3 times in a row in phase 1. I dont know if it was my spacing or that i kept trying to cast flame of the fell god, but she really didnt like what I was doing

Meanwhile the 1st one is the only one I can't avoid. I'm never quick enough to run away. As for the 2nd and 3rd wave, I just roll backwards at the right timing and it works every time. 1st wave is the only one that keeps me from beating her hitless Will try your close range method!

@TPhGames

2 жыл бұрын

Good luck. I also still have to grind a hitless try 😅 Usually I fail when she cats her phantoms in phase 2. I'm just too stupid to dodge that - I know it's my fault.

@calamityalix_tfg

2 жыл бұрын

@@TPhGames that's quite a cheesy strat but now i use crystal darts to trigger her AI from afar, and shield block if i'm too close, works pretty well. P2 wrecks me tho

So when I'm circling around her to get behind her, is strafing not fast enough to break her tracking, I need to sprint around her instead? Also what direction are you rolling away from her attack? It looks like when you finish circling around her you roll kind of perpendicular to her but idk if that's just the screen being weird.

@TPhGames

Жыл бұрын

Yes you need to sprint when you circle around her. I try to role into the direction the bottom of her foot is facing, so that she dashes away from me. It's hard to hit and quite precise.

thanks a lot such a good content and low subs. im perfectly avoiding this attack when i on a long distance from her but when i close its really insane and hard.

@TPhGames

Жыл бұрын

Thank you ^^ Yes I upload almost never here, doing mostly Lord of the Rings Lore videos on my main channel, which eats a lot of time. Yes, when she is far away it's relatively easy, once you get the feeling for the dodges. But close range is really precise and difficult. Like trained 15 hours and I was still not 100% consistent. Not even close, but survivability on my level 1 character increased dramatically. I also beat her with that character at some point, but as said I still died to it. Just really over tuned attack. First dash needs a bit less tracking.

@fradenxD

Жыл бұрын

@@TPhGamesthanks for answer)) im counting my tries now its 401. really funny

@TPhGames

Жыл бұрын

Oh good luck then. Which weapon/build are you using? Do you have any limitations on what to use in the fight?

@fradenxD

Жыл бұрын

​@@TPhGames its my first playthrough so i just using blood river and no armor. im reaaly think so its doesnt matter what weapon u are using cause its all about learn how to dodge punches

@TPhGames

Жыл бұрын

forgot to answer, sorry. You probably beat her by now. I would have suggest maybe try the shield method, i showed in the video, it's the most reliable one if you are close.

I got the tombstone shield and blocked the first attack, on the 2nd I walk backwards, shield raised, if you continue to walk backwards you'll avoid the AoE third attack.

@TPhGames

2 жыл бұрын

yes with one of the best great shields you have some options ^^

cool to see you uploading more Elden Ring stuff :)

@TPhGames

2 жыл бұрын

Yes I'm still playing it, so it's a good opportunity to produce some content in parallel. Wanted to complete the video weeks ago, but producing content for the main channel takes up quite some time 😅 is there anything Elden Ring related you would like to see?

@elliehugg

2 жыл бұрын

@@TPhGames Hmm, I'm not a very creative person tbh, but I do find your voice pretty soothing, so maybe you could do boss reviews or in-depth tutorials, or maybe an overall game review (if you're finished). Maybe if you ever do a challenge run, like an SL1, you could record it and do a post-commentary where you just talk about the strategies used or something idk, I'm down to watch anything ^^

Thanks

@TPhGames

Жыл бұрын

glad it was helpful ^^

hardest dodge ever. i fight close and im always getting spammed close by this move. im watching this guide. but i still cant do it. i just want this over with.

i heard somewhere that proc is short for ‘procure’, as in, the weapon’s special effect ‘procures’ a status ailment or extra damage on the opponent

@TPhGames

Жыл бұрын

I guess also possible, but the other explanation is imo also plausible (sorry for the late answer) ^^

@galenburnett9791

Жыл бұрын

@@TPhGames sure. i think it’s funny that the information isn’t readily available somewhere. as in, millions of people are using an abbreviation which they don’t even know from where it comes, yet still think they’re cool for using it. a bit like when people say ‘caP’

4:28 could crouch-walking help? I’ve noticed that if you’re low enough (like after whiffing a jumping heavy,) a number of her horizontal slashes will miss you entirely.

@TPhGames

Жыл бұрын

maybe? Did not test it. Maybe you are a bit too slow with this though, but I guess it could work

@TheActualMrLink

Жыл бұрын

@@TPhGames update: according to my one (1) test, it doesn’t: she still bonks you on the noggin as she flies forward. So either the answer is no, or I’m just doing it wrong.

Thank you man

@TPhGames

2 жыл бұрын

glad my video was helpful :)

@friedrichderkleine5460

2 жыл бұрын

@@TPhGames it was! I still suck at dodging her but it was enough to beat her :D

How do you sprint and immediately go into a roll? Because the sprint and roll are the same god damn button it causes a delay if I try to roll from out of a sprint

@TPhGames

2 ай бұрын

Same as you. I let go of sprint and press it again as fast as I can. You have to get a feeling for that slight delay caused by it, if yu are fast you also keep a bit of the sprint momentum. I have never really thought about this delay, because I play those game for such a long time (since 2011) and it was always the same (except for DaS1, where you would do a jump instead, so in addition you had to hold block while sprinting to no jump and get the roll out). So it feels natural for me by now.

She use waterfowl dance not only at those percentages of health. I was just attached by that skill at around 80%, 50%, 10%, etc. today. Sometimes she casted 3 times of Waterfowl dance during phrase 1.

@TPhGames

2 жыл бұрын

there is a variety of reasons for that. I experienced that too. E.g. Sometimes she is stubborn and won't do it at 60-70%, and it happens at 50%, but that was in my experience more an exception, but it can happen (the 60% and 40% thresholds are hard coded triggers; the 60% threshold just "unlocks" the move and the probability of her using it increases significantly; the 40% one is similar, but it considers the cooldown of the attack). Maybe you were just before the threshold and she did an attack that you can punish a lot, so that she gets a lot of damage in a short time, so it looks like she did it at 50%. If you proc cold or bleed or stagger her, when she just wants to start with waterfowl dance (on the first few frames of the animation), you probably won't notice that it was interrupted and then it goes on Cooldown and she does it much later in the fight out of nowhere it seems (had this a lot with my bleeding g build). All can happen. If the fight takes to long she can do it a third time as well. I assume even more than 3 times.

@swordwalker59

2 жыл бұрын

@@TPhGames Thanks :) I just killed her with restrictions set by myself... melee only, no magic, no shield, no summon, no great rune. Timing of her waterfowl dance was still strange but finally I did it~ See you again in NG, Malenia :)

@TPhGames

2 жыл бұрын

congrats ^^

@swordwalker59

2 жыл бұрын

@@TPhGames Thank U :D

When I manage to dodge this combo Malenia will die, the rest of the fight is very easy, thanks for the tips

You can run away from all 3 phases if you are far enough, just keep running and don't stop

@TPhGames

4 ай бұрын

Yes if you have the distance that might work as well, but I think if you play melee and a bit more aggressive, you often won't have the needed distance. You might also run out of space to run.

i found a way to hitless it, but all of a sudden she choses to not go infront of me when she does that last weird tracking final flurry and instead goes right to the direction i dodge, but when i dodge the other way she now goes infront of me and hits me again

@TPhGames

5 ай бұрын

hard to tell what you do wrong. I also had a phase where I could not dodge the first part of WFD anymore. In my case I for some reason started to cycle too far away from her centre point (which has a collision if you run against it). When I fixed this, it worked again. Positioning is very important for this precise dodge.

Hey Chris, I was wondering if you were planning to post more videos on this channel soon? No pressure, I'm just curious

@TPhGames

Жыл бұрын

In my min yes, I definitely want to do more stuff here, but I was so busy with the main lore channel the past few months, that I could not find the time/motivation. Currently I work a bit less, to recover from these two marathon months I had 😅 Are there topics you would like to see here?

@Argos_RB

Жыл бұрын

@@TPhGames Yeah I get that, that was also my guess as to why, with the Elrond videos and Rings of Power and everything. I’d love to see more game reviews, I always think you have something interesting to say on whatever you talk about. I don’t know what you’ve played so I can’t really specify a specific game, and that doesn’t really matter to me as long as it’s a game you’re interested in talking about. So yeah I’d just love to see game review/discussions

i cant man i just cant. this is the only souls like game ive ever played and i cant. i give up.

@TPhGames

Жыл бұрын

=/ Yes I can see how frustrating this must be for a lot of players. She is imo the hardest boss in Elden Ring and this specific attack is just badly designed and total bs. The close range dodge feels like it's not even intended, which just makes the fight stupid. On paper a 12/10 boss, but imo ruined by this attack. It took me like 15 hours of practice to figure out how to handle this attack and I'm not even close to be 100% consistent with dodging it. Luckily she is optional and you can beat the game without fighting her. Maybe level up a lot (get enough the survivability maybe up to 60 Vigor), summon an ash and try out bloodhound step or using a good shield. If nothing helps: respec your stats (dexterity and arcane), bring the Katana Rivers of Blood to +10 and just destroy her. Every bleed proc interrupts her. One could even try fighting phase 1 without a bleeding weapon and switch to a bleeding weapon in phase 2, so you get the procs faster (after very bleeding proc you will need more hits to proc bleeding again). Maybe that helps, if you have not beaten her yet. (Sorry for the late answer)