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Holy heck, at 55 secs in, it just clicked in my head what I have been doing wrong for say, 2 decades. Explained very clearly, well done! I'm 2 hrs from league play and I can't wait till practice to try this stuff. I'll probably toss a 485 tonight trying this new method 🤣.

@b-lonmusk

Жыл бұрын

How did it work out 4 ya?

@TetrologyGamingBattlefield

Жыл бұрын

Howd it go?

@jimallen-nx8hz

9 ай бұрын

Man that happens to me about y times a day. I'm like I got it. Nope

@metalgamer9647

3 ай бұрын

How did it go?

@metalgamer9647

3 ай бұрын

If I had a coach like you when I was a kid, I would’ve listened to my coach 😂. I’m just getting back into it after 5 years or so and this is the best video I’ve watched.

Great stuff…..I struggle badly trying to change….one of the most non talked about in these types of vids is body tilt. Body tilt allows for a more inside swing. Elbow bend is the other so it was good to hear you mention this

I'm right there with ya, trying to unlearn what I learned from VHS tapes from the 1980s. So easy to just fall back to what's comfortable, but in the end less versatile with the modern game.

great post thank you , been taught the wrong way for years myself , its hard to change this stuff , you gotta get worse again to get better

As someone who uses this release you can play really deep inside the ball or really up the back of it. If I’m really trying to maximize it which is rare because house shots just don’t need it I place the balls middle weight or where the ball touches my hand in between my index and middle finger. Medium I place the ball on top of my middle finger on my hand and more forward roll I place it on my ring finger pad on my hand. But absolutely keep your hand under the ball and roll it like you said my rev rate is 530 pretty effortless with that technique. Keep up the good work you’ll get it lower that right shoulder and keep the elbow bent to stay under it and you’ll have it in no time I promise. It took me a couple months but you’ll love it!!

You mention Mr. 220 and his channel .. also, Darren Tang talks a lot about "rolling the ball off of your hand" .. this is exactly what I am working hard at doing. Fantastic video!

Really great video and explanation thanks!

This is a great video I’m gonna go out on the lanes and practice this technique

I'm waiting for my new bowling ball. Hammer Reactive with 13 lb. Going to try out your tip on coming off the bottom of the ball into upper side release. Need cradle the ball a little more.

One idea if you'd rather not just dump your expensive ball in the gutter doing 1 or no step approaches. Put a bit of contrasting tape on your PAP on a plastic ball and just toss it straight down the middle. You'll be able to see the rotation/tilt of the ball this way especially if you have a video camera behind you as you're doing here. You're far more likely to send the plastic ball straight down the lane and with minimal curve as well. If you want to go extra extra bonus points, add a stripe of tape from the PAP radiating outwards. This will help you calculate your rev rate down the road. Cheers mate!

GREAT GREAT content. I struggle with this and have been working on it myself. 👍👍

@realaverageatbest

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for the comment and hope you keep improving your game!

Great tips, will work on this tomorrow

@bigbuckaknottt

2 жыл бұрын

factsss

Thanks the info. Yes, it’s a very hard habit to break. I thought I was getting the hang of it. I started recording myself … and nope! Even when I think I’m under it I’m not. More practice required!

I noticed that if I'm holding the ball and I point my index finger away from the rest of my fingers, then on my swing I try and draw a straight line with my index finger along the length of the lane until I am pointing straight at the pins that I throw a little more under control and with less wild wrist movement. This is all trial and error on my part so I'm not too sure where that fits relative to a more formal technique development but that has proven to be the one change that has given me the greatest improvement so far.

Great tips. 👌🏾

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR SHOWING THIS. I STRUGGLE WITH SO MUCH LEAVING 10 PIN. I AM SURE THIS WILL HELP WITH MY NO TAB BOWLING... LOL. AND THANK YOU

The release also has to do with hand positioning and how you get your ball drilled. I put my fingers in as deep as they’ll go before inserting thumb and have some inside hand tilt on the approach. Forces more of a flip off the fingers on your release more so than a spin. I’m not a pro, but bowled competitively for a solid 20 years since youth league.

Great stuff. I would have liked to see the view a little more from the side (the camera a few feet left of where it was) to really catch the release and timing.

Who is down on 41 and 42 do you keep looking at? Is that tank top pink or fuchsia? Great video and the tips are perfect. Thank you

I do the same thing, top and to the side. I have a relaxed hold too. I feel that the bowling ball is too heavy. It's 15 lbs ball and travels down the lane at 10 to 11 mph. With a house ball, 13 lbs can go at 13 to 14 mph down the lane. I'm having fun with a 14 lb ball and then with an old 15 lb urethane ball. Thank you for sharing this video. I need to cradle the ball more.

I’ve been squeezing and pulling my shot for years. I went to a 14 from 15 last year and have had problems with my swing. Last nite in league I was doing my normal squeeze and pull shot and was missing left for the first 2 crappy games. Something clicked in my head, and game 3 I stopped trying to squeeze and force the shot. My ball instantly had more speed, went longer, and rolled into a hook. I missed a solid 10 pin, but went out with a 218. Now I just have to remember this for next week, and drop the bad habits I’ve gained over the years. Nice video, it helped me affirm what I was doing last night. When you let the ball do what it knows how to do on its own, the scores will go up.

@realaverageatbest

Жыл бұрын

Good to hear. Glad you liked the video!

@Donfleebie1

Жыл бұрын

@@realaverageatbest BTW, I’m 71 years old, and my body can’t do what my brain wants it to do as well anymore.

@dennisdeluca7115

Жыл бұрын

The only thing that will help you from week to week, is throw in a couple practice hours between your weekly league sessions, Practice,practice practice.

The habit I have developed that changed my game is , in about my second step towards the foul line after I’ve pushed forward on my swing ,just about when the ball is at my side going backwards in my swing I look down at the ball to make sure my hand is where I want it on the ball , then I immediately look to the spot I want to release my bowl , after I look at the pins we’re I want the ball to hit , it assures me that I get the release every time , I’ve tried to stop but I find out , eventually my hand and ball is not where I want. Next I always say to my self “ drag the knuckles” helps me keep my hand under the ball I’ve only been bowling for about 4 years , but I throw 3 hours a day , knock down 1500 pins a day , keeps the doctor away

Going to try this tomorrow I'm a league average around 180 and I don't get under the ball at all and I leave a lot of 10 pins and also always play the straight down the right side shot because I can't hook it from the left enough.

First time seeing your channel and I’m impressed, you’re like a perfect mix of Brad and Kyle and 220 Average Bowler.

@realaverageatbest

2 жыл бұрын

That’s exactly what we’re trying to do! We try to have a good mix of fun stuff like league and trickshots, while also including more serious stuff like tips, tournaments, and latest news. Thank you for the comment!

@gigachad7729

Жыл бұрын

@@realaverageatbest u r da goodest

I enjoyed the video. Is it possible to film the releases in slow motion to see the release more isolated?

@realaverageatbest

2 жыл бұрын

We’ll have another video coming out today and I’ll be sure to slow the releases down more so it’s easier to see what I’m talking about. Thank you for the question!

Thought you didn’t have a shirt on lmaooo

@AsanKaliqAllah

Жыл бұрын

Perv🤣😂🤣

Very good tutorial. If you want to see a great swing and release on what ya talkin about , check out Thomas Larsen , he does the yo yo like no one else , I think his game is very unique thank you

Glad I found your channel...maybe more the camera over so we can see the shot? Hard to see what the ball is doing after you release.

@realaverageatbest

Жыл бұрын

We're glad you found it as well! For future videos like this one there will definitely be some different camera angles. I had to film this one alone so just set the camera up on a tripod. Thanks for the comment!

I think sleeves is my problem. Thanks!!

Now I see what you mean by inside the ball!!

I still haven’t heard the answer of a question I have been asking many people. My bowling instructor (ya… I’m paying for lessons…) told me the ball should leave my hand by the side of my middle finger. From all the videos I have been watching it looks like the ball leaves the hand from the palm side of the ring and middle finger. Next video for noobs, please talk about the feeling of the weight on your hand/fingers through out the throw.

I'm a full roller, do I have to do something different to throw like that. I also need to lean down more and not loft so much.

Cool content. You bowling regionals?

@realaverageatbest

2 жыл бұрын

Haven’t bowled any as of yet. But, looking into possibly doing some soon!

I started doing this, my ball hooks and flips into a roll sooner, I got significantly better impact and ball speed, more strikes less 10’s

Thanks Roy Munson

@realaverageatbest

2 жыл бұрын

Love the Kingpin reference!

Dude. I have the same issues. I was taught to hook a ball you shake someone’s hand. Now I’m trying to break that habit

@realaverageatbest

2 жыл бұрын

Incredibly difficult habit to break. I bowled a tournament over the weekend and found myself falling back into the "spin" release because that's what I'm used to. On tougher patterns it makes it much harder for your ball to properly read the lane. Definitely need to practice this more and hopefully continue to improve at the tournaments

I have been working on this same thing, but, I still spin it. I have been on the top most of my bowli g life. my wrist is not flexible so I can't cup it much but I can bend my elbow. occasionally, I feel this awesome wrist action that sorta "snaps" the ball out of my hand and everything about those shots feel so good, but, I don't know what to key on to keep repeating this "action". ideas? .

@realaverageatbest

Жыл бұрын

Hmmm, well I'd say recording some of your own shots would be a good start. Try to record a shot that feels normal and then a shot that has that 'snapping' action. Sometimes, you can see a difference on video and it makes it easier to identify when it happens in the approach. If there seems to be something specific then try to repeat the 'feeling' of throwing that shot. Try that and let me know if anything helps, thanks!

@rayraybonne8469

Жыл бұрын

@@realaverageatbest I video all the time. I see my swing slide & release but nothing really gives me an "ah hah" that's what I need to do. it is a lot different between what it feels like vs what it looks like. for instance, last night I tried what a previous coach at kegel told me. drop my right shoulder as far as I can. well last night I felt like my right shoulder was perpendicular with the floor. in the video I could hardly see any difference! Or if I turn my hand out - like way out - then watch the video, it just looks like I'm more behind the ball, not turned way out away from me. stuff like that

Who's channel are you talking about to watch?

Where’s that at our town only have 24 lane’s

What ball are you using, and what size?

@realaverageatbest

2 жыл бұрын

Pretty sure I was throwing the Motiv Blue Coral Venom during this. I throw 15 pounds

A trick that helped me is imagine drawing an imaginary line through the center of the ball and trace it with your ring finger.

Earl Anthony didn't worry about all of this

In the simplest explanation how do you release for the curve?

2:34 mailman reference

I have a really good release, I'm just horrible at spare shooting and have 0 shot repeatability

@turtlejeremy6980

Жыл бұрын

I have a pretty good approach and swing. It's just my accuracy thats bad at this point.

How do you perform the push away... My wrist keeps breaking.. I don't believe it's ball weight... Was two a finger bowler

@realaverageatbest

Жыл бұрын

For myself, as a five step bowler, I push away on my second step. Having a slightly broken wrist out of the push away isn’t the worst thing in the world. Now, a broken wrist at release is a more of an issue. Really what I try to focus on to keep my wrist and hand under the ball is feeling like my fingers are scraping the ground when I’m bowling (obviously my hand is a solid 6-12 inches from the ground but you want to have that feel at release). Also the feeling of having the back of your hand pointed straight back behind you at release helps. No-step and one step drills are really good for focusing on release things and we have some of those videos on the channel from earlier this year. Let me know if anything is confusing and maybe we can make another video discussing it :)

@jesslong75

Жыл бұрын

@@realaverageatbest Brad and Kyle put it as a hinge drop more than the push away term

You can't compare those first two shots in the video. You didn't target the same board at the arrows (10 on the first and 15 on the second), so your ball reaction would be different. Other than that, everything else was very helpful!

@realaverageatbest

Жыл бұрын

Looking back, I definitely could've done a better job having identical shots with a more exaggerated focus on the hand position. No matter what the information still applies! Thank you for the comment!

Yeah it's cool to try and produce a more professional release but really when you watch some of the pros there style and release are something that they have been doing for more than 10 years and they make it look effortless and that is what it is effortless. They relax and let it happen they don't try to make it happen. I personally think it's most important for amateur bowlers to first learn how to relax the grip and arm swing and not worry so much about if you are inside the ball or bending the elbow, just relax everything and get the thumb out first and fingers last and let your personal style develop from there, once you get that down then work on different rotations and remember that the pros only play the extreme inside of the ball because the condition that they bowl on requires them to, this is not something that needs to be done on a house shot, it's totally unnecessary, you'll get way better ball roll if you learn to be comfortable with who you are and how you do it and let it happen.

You can throw a 300 with a straight ball, you don't need a bazillion revs. Especially youngsters who are still developing muscle. If you want to score,, be consistent with speed and delivery.. you don't need 16 balls. Learn to adjust on the approach..

I liked the content, I subscribed. But why are you constantly looking towards the door...??

@realaverageatbest

Жыл бұрын

Just had some people looking at me a little strange with the camera set up and talking to myself. Made it hard not to make eye contact with them sometimes. Thank you for subscribing and commenting!

Juan A, Stockton Ca My gues 1195 grams

I watched the entire video. I'm really not trying to be that guy.. Your first and second releases are nearly identical, same tilt as well. You're already behind and at the equator of the ball in both shots. Your information is all correct. The only difference is that your elbow is slightly bent but almost unnoticeable. Most of that extra rev rate you got is from your left shoulder calming down. I really don't think your "bad" shot is nearly what you think it is

@realaverageatbest

Жыл бұрын

Yeah I agree the difference isn’t as noticeable with the actual form as it with ball reaction. I wish I could’ve exaggerated it a little more to make it more noticeable for the viewers. Nonetheless the lesson is still there and hopefully can help people realize why the pros do what they do with their release and swing. Thank you for the comment!

@IceBergs

Жыл бұрын

@@realaverageatbest definitely wasn't a Jab at you at all the roll was already good definitely not even close to the suitcase youre talking about

@realaverageatbest

Жыл бұрын

I understand what you’re saying. Love hearing feedback and/or constructive from any viewer of ours! We’ll have plenty more videos that go through different nuances of bowling and technique. I’ll be sure to keep this in mind next time we make a video like this :)

@SirJoelsuf1

Жыл бұрын

Was gonna say, the first and second shot were pretty much the same but on the second one he hit a better target.

Almost subbed but, you have nothing for lefties

Keep the elbow inside

Did anyone else hear a ringing?

funny thing is, you can get strikes and pars and end up with a decent score without spin with a hard roll and heavy ball. this guy is showing high level technique and hes leaving splits........ so whats the advantage of spending 500 payed trips to the alley practicing what works for you if you can get near similar results smashing it down the middle.

@realaverageatbest

Жыл бұрын

Yep, you can throw a strike and spares by just throwing it down the middle. But, the point of this video is the “professional” release. So of course I’m going to show the high level technique. At the end of the day, bowl how you want to

I throw overhand 🤣

If you want to get under the ball drop your right shoulder more.

If you always stay in the way of the camera, we can't see what is your ball reaction.

Also...u need to just go over to the lane next to you and just ask her for her Number....geez

U were not behind it at all..u started in then rolled your wrist on top...

One tip, keep your eyes on the camera when talking to us. We can tell you are distracted. There must of been some hot woman a few lanes down

I'm sorry to say that you seem so distracted by whatever is going on to the left of you in the house, that I'm distracted too.

@realaverageatbest

Жыл бұрын

My apologies! Had to film this alone and there were a lot of people watching and/or staring. Takes time to get used to that in public.

@dmez4481

Жыл бұрын

I watched the whole video nonetheless. 😉

Nice video

A tank top is distracting.

@realaverageatbest

5 ай бұрын

My eyes are up here

Amateurs work the outside of the ball, pros work the inside.

@realaverageatbest

2 жыл бұрын

Yep!

@seymourbutts5277

Жыл бұрын

Not true. There are plenty of amateurs with elite games

There is no such thing as a PBA RELEASE V AN AMATEUR RELEASE??? IF YOU BELIEVE THAT I HAVE LAND IN TEXAS AND FLORIDA TO SELL

@realaverageatbest

Жыл бұрын

So you're selling land? How much is it?

@Caddiator

Жыл бұрын

Any land in TX FL with easy access to bowling museum & KTC 🙃

To be honest in my opinion rev is overrated. You can be very good with little to not rev. I know some guys that have a lot of too spin but are very good. And alot of these young new bowlers they wanna bowl two hands cause of rev but don’t know how to control it.

@Jesusfanatic0711

2 жыл бұрын

Spinning the ball is very ball dependent when it comes to different patterns and lane surfaces, whereas just rolling the ball which I admit some two handers make it look so difficult is actually fundamentally easier to be consistent based on your hand position and allows you to gain better control of the midlane and backend reactions. Spinning does have its qualities when lanes have a lot of friction or on the burn don’t get me wrong but that amount of tilt is very difficult to be consistent day to day or shot to shot.

@seymourbutts5277

Жыл бұрын

There isn't a single player on Tour with "little to no rev" though.

This is why we need dislike counts

Same story here,,as a teen ager I thought I had to impart that spin. I still,at 52 can`t get out of that habit.