Son cubano is danced contratiempo, 2-3-4... 6-7-8. Instead of thinking about is as dancing "against" (contra) the "time" (tiempo), I find it more helpful to approach it as dancing WITH the music, namely the clave, drums, and bass. Here's how. For learn the Fundamentals of Son Cubano, April's addition to Casino Next Level, try a month for free: 👉 messinadance.com/casinonextlevel

Black cat is so cute. Very useful explanation thank you 🙏 ❤

@MessinaDance

Жыл бұрын

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Excellent explanation... I got it now, thank you.

@MessinaDance

5 күн бұрын

I couldn't ask for more 🙌 Thanks for letting me know 🙏

I struggle with hearing what is in the music, the instruments and the beats, the different rhythms. Yet I love salsa, so I have a mission to understand, to hear and feel these things. This is a very good lesson, thank you.

@MessinaDance

6 ай бұрын

I appreciate it 🙏 Hope it is helpful

Thanks for the video .. seems like this style of dance is missing in the salsa scene over here

Heyyy question that I can't get an answer to from anywhere! TL;DR: Why does on2 new york style feel different than son cubano? Aren't they both contratiempo? Basically I learned to dance a bit of son this year, and now I decided to give mambo on2 a try, since I heard many people refer to both with son as being contratiempo. Now I get completely why son is contratiempo, but I don't understand the deal about on2. Why do they count 123-567- just like casino? I feel the difference during the pause, it feels like it happens in a different place compared to both son and casino. What confused me even more was an old video of Eddie Torres explaining on2 style and doing precisely son, and not what they teach in the mambo class. Did it change in modern times and why? What's up with that, I feel dumb. Thanks for reading this!

Thanks for teaching me contratiempo. One thing that I can't seem to grasp is why you sometimes step with the left foot on 2 and sometimes with the right foot on 2 going in the opposite direction. Is this something we change throughout the song or do we chose to step on two with right or left foot and keep that throughout the song? Is there a musical reason to choose one over the other? thanks

@MessinaDance

Жыл бұрын

For me... and people LOVE to argue about this, I think it is good practice to be able to prepare to either side, with either foot, marking any side of the clave. Like being able to kick a soccer ball with either foot. If there is a way the song feels better, it's fine to have a preference, but I don't like being beholden to a particular timing convention where if the clave "changes" in a song, I suddenly feel uncomfortable.

@rolandsharp

Жыл бұрын

@@MessinaDance right! Do you also do this when dancing casino or timba? Does it sometimes feel better to step with the right foot on 1 and the left foot on 5? Or to swap over when the clave changes.

@jasonye_salsadancer

Жыл бұрын

@@rolandsharp No further comments other than this thanks though video tutorial is very helpful.

A question - is Salsa on 2 and Son the same thing?

@MessinaDance

2 күн бұрын

In timing and in form, both no. As opposed to a written explanation, I'd suggest taking a look at "son tradicional" and "on2 salsa" videos and compare.

But in music, "contratiempo" is the moment between two "tiempos". 1,2,3,4 are "tiempos" (beats) and 1 1/2 - 2 1/2 ... (1,5 - 2,5 - 3,5....) and so on are "contratiempo". Other thing is dancing on 1 or dancing on 2, where the break happens on the first beat or in the second beat.

@MessinaDance

11 ай бұрын

There is a long list of terms that have different meanings when speaking to musicians vs dancers. On 1 and on 2 are line / "salsa" terminology, so I don't bother with those, but if you speak to Cuban dancers, specifically in the context of son, the contratiempo will mean 2 4 6 8 and dancing contratiempo will mean stepping 2 3 4... 6 7 8

@bailopinto

11 ай бұрын

@@MessinaDance I think they call "Contratiempo" like "contra el tiempo fuerte" = against the strong beat. Strong (1,3 beats) weak (2,4 beats). So instead of stepping on the strong beat (1) , they start on the weak beat (2).

@alejandroteran2981

8 ай бұрын

I work with cubans. They've never heard of dancing on one or on two. They don't mind about what happens on time two. Musically, what really matters is what happens on 4 and 8.

@alejandroteran2981

8 ай бұрын

I'm a son and casino dancer. For me, changing the order of the steps to say you dance or one or on two doesn't make much difference musically. In the end you are stepping the same times.

@bailopinto

8 ай бұрын

@@alejandroteran2981 it depends on the figure, they step first in 4/8 to do the classic Son step, but this is 2. The musically interest depends on song, dancer, moment…. There are a lot of interesting moments, not only the cu-cum part of conga on 4/8.

I still don't get it. Just step on the boom boom tomba if you're dancing one 1 or step on the snare if you're dancing on 2 ie NY Salsa and it's the same thing. That's how I've been taught. Cali and Cuban salsa are usually danced on 1. I come from NY Salsa which is on 2 and also Cali pachanga which is on 1 😊

@MessinaDance

8 ай бұрын

If you have a rhythm convention that works for you for dancing on 1 or on , that is good. I would only add that if at any point you are stepping on the open tone of the drum on a son montuno tumba, 4 and 8, the count you are definitely *not* dancing on is on 1 ( 123 567) as the 4 and 8 would be pauses. Contratiempo is a specific count of 2 3 4... 6 7 8... Most, not all, "new york style" dancers will be deliberate about the 2 3... and 6 7... but give a lot of leeway as to where the other two steps go, often anywhere between 8-1 and 4-5.

More clear can not be for me

@MessinaDance

8 ай бұрын

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Y tú eres cubano? Yo espero que si 🤣🤣

@MessinaDance

10 ай бұрын

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