IMPORTANT UPDATE: kzread.info/dash/bejne/rGqlu6qmnpyfm7A.html Other drg test/info videos: kzread.info/head/PLqTo6tQ9tCOrABARyls3C94qzGo6TW3h_ All footage is on haz 5, with 4 player scaling. It should be mentioned that the one common way nemesis may be far enough off the ground to not get burned by sticking flames is when it's digging. The spherical holes it digs are big enough that the floor will be too far away, so wait until it comes out of its tunnel before burning it. Also the final conclusions mention that minigun or autocannon with AB are good for shooting off nemesis' armor. Hurricane isn't mentioned because currently its AB mod is bugged and doesn't do anything at all.

I had a game with 6 Nemesis and we had to fight so much with so little downtime that we eventually ran out of ammo and died. I was also using Flame driller. Moral of the story: None of this matters if they throw enough of them at you.

@LazyMaybe

2 жыл бұрын

Good news: one of the changes listed in the patch that dropped this morning was "- Fixed issue where the Nemesis had a much higher chance to spawn repeatedly in Rival Incursions than what was intended"

@camoking3609

2 жыл бұрын

few things will ever compare to the moment where I watched as two of them slowly decended on the minehead on a point extraction mission

@squeezyjibbs6643

2 жыл бұрын

@@LazyMaybe oh damn. I had 5 Nemesis and 4 Bulk Detonators in one mission yesterday. Someway somehow we managed to fight them all off, survive and complete the mission, using all of our IWs and nitra. At one point I killed one Nemesis using one of the Bulks. Twas one of the craziest missions I've ever had. Makes me sad there will be less Nemesis now.

@TheRedeemingWolf

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, in this week's EDD my first two attempts were met with one nemesis after another on top of a bulk det, in the second attempt we had fought like 6 nemeses + the bulk det on the first stage, we wiped cause the team wasn't coordinated enough to ignite them effectively, the mission stalled, and we hardly had any time to do the objective or look for nitra.

@huseyin8751

2 жыл бұрын

Okay then try it with 2 Nemesis in the same time with Glyphid Dreadnought. Bad ending for the team at Hazard 5.

Excellent content as usual lazy. Rock and Stone! Time to make a sticky flame build.

Unexpected Rabi-Ribi music, should've guessed with the touhou in the earlier video that it'll eventually show up, lol. Good info all around.

You make perhaps the most useful and informative content for DRG. I appreciate it.

I *greatly* appreciate your usage of Hellfire Mantle for the Gunner portion of the video. And an absolutely stellar and informative video overall, well done!

@unconscious5630

2 жыл бұрын

2hu ganggg

@fireemblemistrash75

2 жыл бұрын

2hu gang

@lilvampire7439

Жыл бұрын

2hu

@abystrous

Жыл бұрын

2hu gaming

Great video, had no idea sticky flames reached that high! Definitely a gamechanger.

I’m surprised you didn’t mention the Lok-1's Armor Break Module OC. It tears through the Nemesis' armor faster than you can say "rock and stone." It suffers against patrol bots, but as you showed, you can make up for that with a flaming Hyper Prop PGL.

Great video as always. I got to try some of these builds out. The touhou music was just icing on the cake.

*NEW PATCH JUST DROPPED SORRY ABOUT YOUR TESTING MR KZreadR* - Reduced how quickly the Nemesis sheds heat to improve direct heat weapon viability - Fixed bug with the Nemesis igniting too quickly from Incendiary Grenades, Sticky Flames, and other heat sources.

Wonderfully informative and excellent testing documentation. Thank you for making this.

honestly was waiting for you to upload something since the new update. Always expect high quality in depth analysis from you! :) Good job!

very good and informative. Thank you for putting this together, it was very insightful.

Found myself getting rolled by these guys pretty regularly since they were added. Thanks. This is really helpful.

Informative as ever. Retooling all my "fire fighter" anti-bot builds. I look forward to May 5th and regret missing out on the too-many-nemesis mission bug (but maybe they'll fix AB one day 😢)

Ran into a Nemesis for the first time the other day - I only just started, but it's good to know there's information like this floating around to flick back through.

The amount of effort that went into this video is insane. Mad props to you dude. A+

Probably the best video ive seen on this!

I like your music selection for your videos. Subbed.

Thanks for the Nemesis-o-away video! I didn't expected sticky heating stuff to be this great, I wonder lava geysers on Magma Core could be helpful too?

Tremendous work! Thank you!

Very good video, straight to the point and well researched. 10/10 ROCK AND STONE!

Really well made video and helped me a lot

Very needed video, thank you. Also, finally crappy heat overclock for BC is good for something!

AI Stability Engine for the Deepcore Gk2 is another great one to use against nemesis. It has good weakpoint damage and the weakpoints don't break very quickly because of the mediocre damage the Deepcore does. I was using it in Haz 5 for reference

Another banger. Thanks LM

Nice info, but even better bgm.. .nice vid keep it up !

Very high quality content, props!

I got a question for the heat of the flamethrower. Does it takes more heat with 4 players? I know enemies have more health, but do they have more resistance to elemental damage with a full squad?

@LazyMaybe

2 жыл бұрын

Temps for igniting/freezing enemies don't change with playercount. Also in these clips I'm using custom difficulty settings to scale the HP of the enemies as if there were 4 players.

@TheBouregard

2 жыл бұрын

@@LazyMaybe So just to clarify the video was shot basically at Haz5/4P?

@squeezyjibbs6643

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheBouregard yes.

Damn, what a great and useful Video thanks a lot

Clear and concise, I love it!

Good use of the Rabi-Ribi soundtrack, my trauma came back just as much as it usually does whenever I debate playing that game again

your thoughts on testing the armskore coil gun? things like how far it can penetrate through terrain and how far in the open, how many enemies it can penetrate, what counts as "one layer of terrain" (the mole oc), what upgrades/oc's affect the damage trail/are affected by the damage trail (for example how both the T5A and T5B upgrades work in combination with hellfire oc), and so on - basically how exactly the damn thing works since the game itself doesn't do a good job of explaining such details or how it behaves in specific situations, like usual. Great content btw, I'm binging a bunch of it right now - rock and stone!

apparently sticky flames and incendiary being that good was a bug, with was fixed about... 30 minutes ago? 45? but it loses heat slower now so everything needs retesting to some extend

thx this video will save me so much explaining

The fact that driller can just “lmao die” the nemesis with CRSPR is hilarious.

Could you examine the charge percentage interactions for the Armskore Coil Gun? Things like does the trail DoT or Duration scale? Distance Penetrated through terrain? What about stun/fear effects?

Very informative video!

You're my lifesaver

Great video!

I respect your choice of Rabi-Ribi music

Thank you for the valuable information, oh graybeard. ROCK AND STONE!!!!!

11:27 typo on BC build's max ammo, but the 48% ammo remaining is using the correct value.

@LazyMaybe

2 жыл бұрын

True! Should be 13/27.

Awesome vid man. The sticky flame size and the fact the Nemesis can be slowed is huge news. For PGL, would fire mod Fat Boy be of use? The dmg is lower but the heat should be significant, no?

The first time I heard the recorded dwarf lines from deep in the cave I was so freaked out!

Thanks for this guide, the first time I encountered a nemesis the pod killed it

To add to this, the hellfire coilgun pretty much ones shots every drone type, at least when I combine it with the stun ability to lock them in place for a bit.

goo bomber special has been on my sludge pump ever since I got the overclock and if going straight for people is what it does then that mod should come in handy since the puddle last a very long time and it can still be lit of fire

now just waiting for some insight and wisdom on the new secondaries.

perfect details

Also worth mentioning is that the Nemesis grab can also be baited with engineer's lures, which looks hilarious, but ideally shouldn't be needed as opposed to staying out of range. Also, it seems like it can't grab you when you're inside a bubble shield (which you demonstrated in this video but didn't explicitly mention as an option)

I LIKE YOUR STICKY FUEL SETUP ALSO MAGAZINE SIZE WILL OVERHEAT IT FOR LONGER

I never thought to use sticky flames to prevent the heat from going down, that's super smart!

A question about hellfire: would mod that allows you to partially charge the shot affect the trail? Because to me it seems like it would be extremely ammo efficient if you could partially charge shots not worrying about direct damage and just going for trail damage

@spazattaz

2 жыл бұрын

I tried this, and in my experience you don't get the heat trail for anything less than a fully charged shot

@KorotasGeckoGamingCorner

2 жыл бұрын

@@spazattaz Yeah, that upgrade's mostly good if you just need a shot out right now, not really caring it it ignites anything

@marcuso7350

2 жыл бұрын

Sadly the Heat inflicted in the trial is scaled to the level of your charge, so the mod still is only useful if you just need a quick shot wihout wasting ammo doing a full charge.

Very happy to hear that the tier 5 mod ingredient/compound X is now innate on the weapon. I thought it was outright removed. I can't wait for the new season, 2'ish more days to go.

Didn't expect the rabi ribi miru theme

Doing the lord's work my friend.

Incendiary grenades are a must then!

Very interesting stuff.

I would personally go for SD hyperburst and while it recharges, I would start spamming lok-1 with fast locks - it delivers extremely high burst damage while hyperburster is on cooldown

thanks for the info

you can get it to self destruct as engi. Keep getting it trapped with the platform gun and eventually it will kill itself with the ground clearing attack. Still works as of the hotfix

For my sticky flame builds I've been using sticky additive instead and go for extra heat but I lose out on range. It's a great hybrid for killing swarms and bots very easily when I bring the microwave gun

0:08 That’s the dwarf that was greasy and soppy and looked like he smelled really bad

What an amazing video, thank you for making this! I feel like the robots are the first enemies that we have gotten where the type of damage you do matters. Great content from LazyMaybe once again!

I love how Hellfire mantle starts playing when gunner is about to burn Nemesis

So what about the heat from sticky flames plus the wave cookers temperature thingy

Of course you can also do what I did during my last two missions, get into the drop pod and go home. (Might only be an option if you are 90% done with your objective, and the last of the Morkite is in a different room from the Nemesis.) (Might be a requirement if you only have 30 seconds before the drop pod leaves anyway.)

A little off topic, but what are your opinions on the shard diffractor? One thing that irks me is the movment penalty while firing, which none of engi's other guns have. I personaly think engi already has the hardest time kiting or defending from enemies compared ot the other classes, so I find this to be an annoying hinderance that furthur exacerbates that issue. Do you think the shard diffractor is powerful enough to justify the movment penalty?

Nemesis: “I’m hurt! I need help!” Damn we didn’t know he was *serious*

these secondaries cept for the wavecooker are all very fun but suffer from having awful ammo problems, I just personally hope they'll all get tuned out, especially some of the builds on the crossbow because they're just awful (fire bolts LMAO)

THANK YOU for this video!!! I use gunner and for the life of me couldn't figure out how to kill nemesis fast enough. Fire bombs are the way to go!

Wouldn't Return to Sender on brech cutter be better? With 12 ammo, that's 24 "effective" ammo as you can hit it twice per shot where as your Light-Weight Cases is only 21 ammo

M100 with weakpoint damage upgrade can be really powerful when you keep your distance, just shoot it I the eye.

Summarisation screen is the best thumbs up.

It’s kinda cool that with all the fire options we have now and with the robots being weak to fire this sorta feels like an unofficial fire update. So wonder if there’ll be an ice one later on?

@DankDwarf

2 жыл бұрын

I NEED my cryo weapons to return to the forefront of meta lol

@electrum5579

2 жыл бұрын

Cryo's still just as busted as ever, just play a mission without rival presence

How is ice storm effective against robot? They dont get frozen, but they take direct frost damage not so well?

I really want to see combined slow of sludge puddles, wave cooker, electricity, IFG nade, shard diffractor and stickyflames. But unlikely I dont have enough friends to test it.

I used to think incindiary grenade was useless. Oh, what a fool I was. Also, thanks for introducing me to Rabi-Ribi.

On the second tier upgrades for sticky flames build why take Unfiltered Fuel (damage) over Triple Filtered Fuel (Heat)? Is the heat only applied to direct damage?

@Verrskel

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, it's only for direct attacks, which makes the other 2 mods significantly better choices.

Plasma burster missiles on the hurricane (gunner) is also very effective imo

Ok, but what to do when it spawns in the ceiling above you within grab range and insta-grabs you and your duo partner ?

FYI, patch today made Nemisis's heat dispersion weaker, so it'll be a little easier to build heat on the slower buildup methods

Nemesis was buffed against sticky flames so might need to redo the tests.

Just wanted to say that pheromone bolts are very good against nemesis. Bugs actually attack him because he is close to the ground. And robots attack enemies affliced by pheromones too, for some reason

Was quite sure this was touhou music, despite having not played touhou for over a decade 😎

As an engie main, I was looking foward to hyperpropellant >:D

you are God send... ROCK AND STONE

thanks

Hold up, where did you get the test-room mod and visual/numerical-damage-display mod shown at 1:23?

@LazyMaybe

2 жыл бұрын

Sandbox utilities/Damage Numbers/Health and Shield Numbers

The most important tip for any fight is: "if you don't rock and stone, your not coming home!"

I like how my preferred Gunner technique is labeled "the comedy option".

rip. this is outdated already - devs released a nerf/bug fix to some heat sources and made Nemesis cool down slower, so all the heat source methods (or almost all) are already inaccurate, it seems? gonna try Gunner flame carpet anyway, see if it's still worth.

Would re-atomizer on the coilgun work?

Cyro Drillers with the wave cooker: *cries in a corner*

So why does the nemesis have like 2 Attacks if it’s supposed to Be purposely designed to kick our ass I’d figure it have like 4 with like a Laser Shot attack and summoning Shreaders rather then Shoot Pulse shield and Close range one shot grab

You should test the goo gun with the microwave gun with the mod that does 30% more damage against corroded targets. Also use a full damage build and overdrive for it, and I think that might make the sludge pump more useable

I think the nemesis would be more dangerous if it had a more expansive range type attack as the only thing that it has for a ranged is that pusher field or whatever it’s called

Great research video - is it normal that sometimes bots dont die even if opverheated (white heat symbol) the first two nemesis I kept setting on fire simply continued attacking, so I dindnt try afterwards. Same happens rarely with bots.

@LazyMaybe

2 жыл бұрын

It's a bug. Hopefully fixed at some point, but for now if you're using heat and nemesis doesn't die try letting it cool and then heating it again. Can also carry VB bulldog as gunner so you at least get some reward against burning bots.

"heat hurricane, while normally pretty bad" Heat hurricane is amazing wtf