I would like to see a video focusing on ALL motherboards for a NAS. I really don't care about the size, I am more concerned with power efficiency, reliability and cost. Thank you for all of your valuable work.

@Miyconst

2 ай бұрын

Okay, I will put it into my plans.

@Nelevita

2 ай бұрын

i build a friend in austria and 24/7 streaming and nas in 1 box with my old 1600x and 32gb ram and 6x 12tb HDD so how much is youre budjet ? thats the main question

@zazelskycrest2525

12 күн бұрын

yes, seconded this

this is underrated. thanks for calling out bad frankenstein motherboards to make a reliable NAS

I agree with you. NAS has to work 24/7, and therefore should not be power hungry. This excludes most X99 or X79. An i3 or celeron with ITX board.

@DanSuneKronvold

18 күн бұрын

Spot on!

Maxsun bought out Soyo some years ago, and rebrands Soyo designed boards for their own. Soyo was a low end mainstream brand back in the day, and perfectly acceptable in quality.

great video! I would appreciate you make more of these covering some more itx motherboards (even newer ones)

@Miyconst

2 ай бұрын

I will try to do more covers like this.

I built a NAS during the pandemic, using old hardware available: i5 4690, atx Z97 board from Gigabyte, 16GB ram, silent cooler from Thermalright,SSD 128GB for system install (Crucial). I got a PCI sata controller (Fujitsu) that can handle uo to 8 hdds, and 5 WD purple 4GB drives (I know the red is recommended, I went purple because is used for 24/7 video) and a brand new Corsair PSU (10 year warranty). I used Truenas to setup a raid with 2 drives as redundancy, my NAS has 12 GB available and very robust. I use to backup important stuff (have also on separated drives, one needs 2 backups to consider something minimally safe) on the home network. I don’t keep it 24/7, I usually leave it on on weekends so it can run, scrub and check data. I spent a fraction of a NAS (without the drives), very happy with it and learned a lot. It is very good content to cover, glad you did and hope I can learn more about it. Kind regards

Really helpful video - I'd love to hear your opinions on mATX and ATX options as I'm currnently looking to build a low-power NAS and open to larger form factors.

Thank you for making this video. I was looking into making a nas and almost certainly would have just bought one of those boards without thinking and probably had all sorts of tech issues way above my skill level to fix. Now at least I have something to go off

nice video. I agree upon the reliability really curios to see your choices with full ATX and micro ATX boards

I bought a HP Microserver G8 plus a RAID card. Yes it is pretty old, but it does everything I need and does it well...

@giovannigatto1974

Ай бұрын

you can change the cpu with a xeon. the only limit is 16gb of ram

Great video man. o a, wondering if any of those boards guives support to SAS hdd drivers or if does have one option for such kind device. TY

@Miyconst

Ай бұрын

The good thing about these boards is that you have full specification available from the manufacturer. So, you can check which board has SAS support. If I remember correctly, from this list only one or two had SAS support.

Huh, I had no idea there is a revision of this Gigabyte from your last social post - one with actual pcie slot (this EC0 rev 1.2) this actually changes 180 degree my view for that board. BTW what do you think overall of those "Topton" motherboards?

@Miyconst

2 ай бұрын

I have not tested a single Topton board so my opinion is very biased but from what I have seen online, I don't feel comfortable recommending them, at the same time it feels like a lesser evil compared to the noname X99 and ERYING.

@thegeekno72

2 ай бұрын

​@@Miyconst if you do reviews of topton type boards, I'd like to mention Qotom which appears to be a seemingly much more competent board manufacturer for all kinds of things

@Miyconst

2 ай бұрын

@@thegeekno72 Qotom actually looks way much more serious than Topton, maybe I could even get some of their units for testing.

@thegeekno72

2 ай бұрын

@@Miyconst I own one of their router mini PCs, x4 SFP+, x5 2.5G i-225v, C3758R 8c/8t Atom Denverton CPU, which can be found in big brand name switches and routers like Netgear, I don't know about their NAS models and purpose focused boards for industrial applications but they sure as hell made a nice router, ServeTheHome made a review on the fanless version of the model I have, he did praise it much more than I expected and in the end it was a good purchase !

Definitely interested in mATX and ATX boards. Please go ahead and make it.

@Miyconst

2 ай бұрын

Ok, I will put it into my schedule.

I made a NAS with an Minisforum AR900i 96 GB DDR5 RAM and an LSI 9201-16I SAS 2116 works as intended with 0 problems for more than 3 months - I use Synology 1821+ as remote back-up.

@smudgeous4068

Ай бұрын

My BD790i cousin of your board is on order and I'm all kinds of excited for its arrival. I'm planning on seeing how it fares with x8/x4/x4 trifurcation, with the x8 going to a 9305-16i and one of the x4s to power a 2-port 10GBe NIC.

@send2ady

Ай бұрын

@@smudgeous4068 I hope you get lucky - I tried BD790i 8x8 with an JMT PCI-E 4.0 x16 1 to 2 Expansion Card Gen4 Split Card PCIe Bifurcation with no luck. tested various combos LSI HBA + Mellanox DAC , 2 x4 PCI with AQC107 etc with no luck - i hope the splitter is bad - (I'm lazy to test on another ATX MB for the moment :D ). What i can confirm is that KALEA-INFORMATIQUE M2 M.2 NGFF PCIe B M Key 10 Gigabit RJ45 LAN wit AQC107 works perfectly in one of the 2 x M2 slots on BD790i and in none of the 4 x M2 slots of AR900i

@smudgeous4068

Ай бұрын

@@send2ady ahh, thanks for the info. There's a chance the Intel vs AMD chip sets cause separate behavior but I appreciate you sharing the model info

Mobos that use an external power supply are fine for a server that only uses the one m.2 for storage. How would you power the sata drives without having a second psu?

One of your best videos ever. I follow the other channel also, and notice some issues same as you. Congratulations on the content !

@Miyconst

2 ай бұрын

I am glad you liked it.

I would also include one additional board on the list since you already had a couple of boards around the $400 mark: the ASRock Rack X570D4I-2T. I bought one of these around a year or so ago for $380, which is a lot, unfortunately. But I was looking for something with IPMI, ECC support, and possibly AMD-based. It was such a nice board, but my use case changed during the last couple of months, so I looked for something else that has more power than 4th-5th-6th gen Intel, with a built-in media encoder, so that I do not need to use the only PCIe slot for a GPU just to have decent video encoding/decoding. I ended up buying an Erying ITX board (12800H version), which I am still using today. At the start, I used a virtualized TrueNAS with it (utilizing one of the M.2 slots for a 6 SATA port card), and it worked perfectly, but I ended up buying a separate NAS device because I also wanted to transition into 10G. However, my PCIe is used by a Tesla card on this machine. In my case, I had a backup board, and the data is not mission-critical (although it would suck if I needed to rip all of my Blu-rays again since it takes so much time), so I had no issues with it. Also, I did some undervolting on it, which improved the thermals and power consumption. But I agree, it is definitely not the best platform (and the BIOS had some issues, although I received a BIOS update package from the seller) for a NAS. I also transitioned to some RPi-based KVM from IPMIs, so the miss of that functionality is not an issue for me anymore. My most exotic piece of ITX hardware is definitely my Kontron KTQ87/mITX (i7-4860EQ variant). A guy in my country sold a ton of these boards for really cheap a couple of years ago (around $100). It was my first ever industrial-quality board, and I really loved it.

Hello @Miyconst, I recently flashed my mr9a pro motherboard bios with the huanzhi 8-mf bios with 70/50 in mi899. The motherboard seems to work fine, but the resizable bar option is not available in the bios despite mi899 listing the bios as having it. GPU-z also reports it not being enabled. I was wondering if there were any extra steps to get resizable bar with the new bios.

@Miyconst

Ай бұрын

Yes, you need to enable it through a Windows app. Please watch this video: kzread.info/dash/bejne/qJd-prmGoNvWmqg.htmlsi=R8sVg9zUyj0dc8Xg

@Jmoney5138

Ай бұрын

@@Miyconst thank you it works perfectly. You are very helpful and I'm grateful for your tools, guides, and support!

I personally feel the same but I can say I know a couple people who have built NAS units or low power servers with some Topton motherboards and they haven't had problems. I have a N100 topton unit running pfsense and it's been solid running 24/7 for a few months now but part of me wants to grab a second unit just in case the first one fails. I'd be interested in that video about other board sizes, I'm not worried about size since I'm going to be rack mounting my NAS anyway.

@Miyconst

2 ай бұрын

The Topton boards are actually less of an evil compared to ERYING and the huge variety of noname X99/X79 boards.

очень интересное видео, посмотрел комбо сборки под нас, спасибо за труды

I saw a previous video of yours concerning Dual xeon boards sold on Ali Express. Will this work for a DIY Nas / Server? ( HUANANZHI X99-F8D PLUS Motherboard & Set Dual CPU 2696 V4 22 Cores 2696 V3 2698 V4 2686 V4 8*64G Memory 512G DDR4 2400 RECC RAM)

@Miyconst

Ай бұрын

I can guarantee absolutely nothing when it comes to the Chinese motherboards, plus it's a total overkill for a NAS, unless you actually need a server and not a NAS.

Hey bro, I've been using the X99 E5-H9, the latest orange variant, for a year now with the 2690 v4, and it's been great. With two NVME slots available, I want to add another 500GB NVME as one slot is already occupied. Will adding another NVME cause any issues? I don't want to waste money only to find out that I can only use one at a time. Please reply.? 🥺

@Miyconst

2 ай бұрын

In general it should be just fine but I can guarantee absolutely nothing when it comes to the Chinese motherboards. To avoid compatibility issues, make sure to get a branded SSD, not Chinese.

@insanetech5893

2 ай бұрын

@@Miyconstok. Will buy the same that I am already using in the first NVME slot. Thank you

I have recently purchased a used Supermicro X10SRM-TF motherboard with a Xeon e5 1650 v4 CPU, 128 GB ECC DDR4 and a 256 GB SSD for $300 (I am in the EU, so the total price was around €400 with shipping and duties, since it came from the US). I also bought 10 pcs of 20TB Toshiba enterprise drives (€300 each), put everything in a Fractal Design Define 7 XL case and installed TrueNAS. So if you don't count the beefy UPS (which was around €600), I spent about €4000 for a NAS with 160 TiB of usable storage (RAID Z2) included. I'd say that is a bargain for a Supermicro/XEON/ECC/IPMI system of that size.

@Miyconst

2 ай бұрын

Most NAS users don't need more than 10 TB of redundant storage, so your server is a total overkill, BUT! If you need all the storage - it's a great build.

@zzaretube

2 ай бұрын

@@Miyconst Yeah, I am aware of that. But I am a freelance video editor and I gobble terabytes of video files every week. My backups before I built that NAS were spread across dozens of external drives and it was a mess. I was looking for a turnkey solution, but they were all prohibitely expensive and much weaker than the one I built myself.

Thank you for your time. How can we support you?

@Miyconst

Ай бұрын

Welcome to like and share the video, that helps. You can also join the KZread membership.

This video is great! I went down the road the affordable road of alliexpress x99 hardware for my homelab, and I have had more downtime than up, anytime I want to make a hardware change (e.g. adding an HDD, 10Gbe, or a GPU) I end up running in several other issues that keep my server down for a couple days at a time. It has been very frustrating, and I planning to move over to something more reliable.

@Miyconst

Ай бұрын

I hope you at least had some fun fiddling with the hardware and learned a thing or two. Replace the motherboard with something more reliable and keep X99 as a toy.

@joseph3164

Ай бұрын

@@Miyconst of course, always good to learn and experiment!

Thanks a lot

Nice QR Easter egg 🤠

What do you think of the "Home Nas X99 Motherboard Combo LGA2011 C612 for NAS Router Sever 6x2.5GbE I226 10xSATA Support Raid Intel Xeon E5-V3 V4" on AliExpress as the backbone for a NAS? I tried asking this question earlier with the link, but the comment was dropped, so I apologize for not including a link to the board here.

@Miyconst

Ай бұрын

Yeah, KZread is very brutal with comments, even mine get removed. I know the motherboard you are talking about and I can't trust it. The BIOS is atrocious, the VRM is pathetic, the quality is unknown, the support is absent. If BIOS-iEngineer makes BIOS for it - I will consider the motherboard, otherwise no.

@icmann4296

Ай бұрын

Thank you for the response. I was looking very seriously at this board because it's priced so well and has so many nice features. I have a very old motherboard with an i5-4590, 16G DDR3 RAM, and only 4 SATA ports. I'm looking for a reasonably priced option, and by reasonably priced I mean 50-60% lower priced than the boards you recommended in this video. They are MAD expensive.

@icmann4296

Ай бұрын

Oh, I'm sorry. I just saw the video again and it's the board you were discussing at the beginning.

I would like to hear your opinion of the new MinisForum motherboards for a NAS. MINISFORUM BD770i/BD790i and MINISFORUM AR900i. My pick would be the AR900i because it has ATX Power. They are expensive but you seem to get what you pay for!

@Miyconst

2 ай бұрын

I have not tested the MinisForum offerings but from what I can find online it's a very decent option.

Well, I used the E5-2697 v3 on x99 M-G v2 board. With Nvme cache + Nvme 6port SATA. 32gb ECC SK hynix server Ram. Xpenology DSM 7.2. Runs fine compared to my old Asus B85 E3 1226 xeon running dsm 7.1 for months on end 24/7. Both with usb3 2.5Gnic.

I would love the video about micro ATX and full size ATX. They have more space for I/O, cheaper and more flexible than ITX. In my opinion, mini ITX are mostly for beautiful, compact computer. They require more works to be functional (cooler size, custom cable, PCIe riser, etc.)

@Miyconst

2 ай бұрын

Ok, I will do another video.

Using a Chinese AliExpress motherboard special for a NAS is little too bold. I would consider looking into the W680 chip set as well.

@Miyconst

2 ай бұрын

Yes, that's an interesting options as well, too bad the offers are scarce and overpriced.

ah man just orded the c612 nas motherboard bundle reviews claims it has a real c612 and pci bifurcation works can you make a review on it

great video! can you make a video for workstation or home lab motherboard offering good number of cores and memory for virtualization please

@Miyconst

Ай бұрын

I can try, when my current video queue runs out.

The only MB which is comparable in terms of connectivity to $150 chinese N100 combo is IMB-1231 which costs 3 times more and you still need to buy a CPU, a PCI-E extension for SATA ports and the CPU cooler. Sound like an overkill... Same result can be achieved with just buying a reserve N100 combo for $150. For my usecase anyway. Great video though! Makes you think :)

I had motherboard from my last PC build, ASRock B450 itx/ac. I've build NAS on it, with Ryzen 4350GE and 32GB ECC RAM. Motherboard have everything what I need: NVMe M.2 slot, 4x SATA ports and PCIE x16 slot for more SATA or 10Gbit LAN ports. Regular BIOS upgrade' sand wake on LAN too. There's no need to looking for no-name matherboards, when you can find goood motherboard around you, usually cheaper than typical, industrial motherboards. For home use - you don't need nothing more.

@Miyconst

Ай бұрын

Could you please verify for me if ECC is actually enabled or the ECC RAM works in non-ECC mode?

@CryptTM

Ай бұрын

@@Miyconst ECC is ENABLED and works in ECC mode. Thats a beauty of Asrock motherboards. I've verify that in W11, by powershell commands: wmic MEMORYCHIP get DataWidth,TotalWidth and wmic memphysical get memoryerrorcorrection. On TrueNAS you have that option visible on main menu (32GB RAM, ECC).

You can also recommend MAXSUN Terminator B760MITX D4WIFI also great. Anyway, im searching for mini-itx board with Option to connect 9 SATA ports and ECC RAM! And good gpu power for Plex hardware transcoding or option to connect external GPU

@Miyconst

Ай бұрын

Stay tuned, I am coming with a video about such a motherboard.

@HaimPeretz

Ай бұрын

@@Miyconst thanks! Will fit great with my new Jonsbo N3

@whatistmesis

22 күн бұрын

@@Miyconst Were you referring here to the MJ11-EC1 or Gigabyte B550i Aorus, or...? I am also interested in the same thing as this commentor, though for better or worse I am specifically also looking for something with an iGPU for occasional encoding/transcoding. (I know that technically this makes it not a "true" NAS which is what your video seems more about.)

@Miyconst

18 күн бұрын

@@whatistmesis I had B550i in mind but didn't have time to review it.

About X299 - you can dig a little deeper, there is range of bioses that supports RDIMMs (manufacturers silently add RDIMM support and then Intel comes with ban hummer :), but for ASRock ITX it's not about - I don't know any RDIMM sodimms.

@Miyconst

Ай бұрын

Yeah, we have the same shitty Intel's police with LGA 1700. Most of the Core i CPUs support ECC UDIMM memory but Intel explicitly and artificially locked the chipset support to the W variants only. So silly and so disgusting.

For just home use, what about use a laptop as home server/NAS? Here in BR can be found 12450h, 4600h, 5700u for exemple for +- r$2500 (~500us$). These models usually came with just single slot/channel of ram, sometimes without eternet, few upgrade options like one or two sata, but has low power consumption and heat dissiparion, are reliable, you can eventualy use as regular pc and can resell for decent price if you need

@Miyconst

2 ай бұрын

Why would you bother with a NAS then? Just connect the storage to your PC and that's it.

@hermysdorfff

2 ай бұрын

@@Miyconst I don't have a NAS now, so I make a backup in my Pc. I'm planning to make a dedicated one, due to price I'm considering use an laptop.

@mastroitek

2 ай бұрын

​​@@hermysdorfffI mean, I guess? Though I never heard of ppl buying new laptops for NAS use, would the price be higher if you would buy used hardware? Because I'm not sure what you plan to do with the NAS, but for office/home use they really do not need much CPU power. My current NAS (handles Plex for my and my gf plus all files and pictures generated by our families) runns just fine on a 2019 dual core. Just saying that probably 5y old hardware might be more than fine for your needs. That is why I would go for a NAS/PC (and you would also have easy expansion...)

I am using a x99 cheapest mobo on aliexpress as a NAS lol I am also using the same PC to mine salad on, and as a web server. I wouldnt recommend it either for a professional or business, but as someone just trying to learn and tinker around, I am ok with the cheap mobo as if i make a huge mistake the most I can be out of pocket is like $35 for the mobo+cpu combo. I still wish there was a way to unlock full turbo on v4's

Good videer. I have another NAS server just to backup my primary NAS and then a 3rd to backup my NAS VMs and containers and Proxmox server. Putting all that investment of time and money protecting my data and then sticking a cheap Chinese mobo at the core is insane. I’d definitely be fine using a Chinese motherboard for a non-critical workload, but that’s not my NAS.

Correct! NAScompare guy never came across as a real hardware expert. Now, I have several firewalls with Chinese motherboards and none have failed for the last 7 years. Of course I always protect them with a UPS, and that may be the “secret”! But most of the electronics are off the shelf parts that everybody uses. Perhaps they use cheaper capacitors that may go bad earlier, but my experience has been good with them!

@Miyconst

2 ай бұрын

7 years? May I ask what motherboards are these?

@thetechcorner7204

2 ай бұрын

@@MiyconstZX motherboard😂

@Miyconst

2 ай бұрын

@@thetechcorner7204 X79 or X99? Their X79 boards were one of the best Ali offers, I assembled dozens of PCs using those.

@thetechcorner7204

2 ай бұрын

@@Miyconst zx_99 of course, I was bring ironic😅

Please build a few NAS's I would love to see what you choose for an ATX or M-ATX. The reason is that I need a board that has more than one PCIe card so that I can get a 10gb nic and a graphics card as well as an expansion of Sata ports which I will probably do through one of the M2 slots.

@Miyconst

Ай бұрын

That sound more like a proper server with storage rather than a NAS. Is that what you are looking for?

@ExpatKeith

Ай бұрын

@@Miyconst Yes!

@kirileman

Ай бұрын

FUJITSU D3401-H21, 5 sata, 1 M2, 2 pcie

Appreciate your views on NAS. But at times in this video I get a little confused. Sometimes you talk about NAS but you're also referring to NAS as servers which can be capable of some heavy computational lifting. From my point of view a NAS sole purpose is storage over LAN (a little computer serving storage). Anything more than this and we are talking servers which is a whole other ball game. My point being: do I want my network computer for storage only... or should it be able to perform more complex tasks as well. The heavier the lift the heavier the price. But I absolutely agree with you when it comes to selecting mainboard.

@Miyconst

18 күн бұрын

Technically you are right, as soon as a NAS does extra tasks, it's a server with NAS as one of THE roles but some (maybe many) people use NAS as a media streaming/encoding machine, so it's a bit more than just NAS.

The situation with Chinese x99 & Mutants is that it could work well, but the statistical likelihood of failure is high. KZreadrs like Craftcomputing have had great results with Erying and cheap x99 and it can be deployed, but it is smart to use cast off server hardware or newer low power consumer hardware from a trusted brand and hopefully with warranty. If you don't need ECC you CAN use 8th gen or newer i3 and a board from a trusted manufacturer. Advantage of modern i3 is it can ALSO be used for transcoding of your videos if you want to host a media server on your NAS which is VERY popular for home lab community. Consumer gear is perfectly fine for less critical personal home use. IF you work from home OR if you are a small business I will definitely recommend ECC/ enterprise solution. I personally do a bunch of file hosting for my family so I deployed an older used super micro 12 bay server with ECC and 12x Dell enterprise drives.

@Miyconst

2 ай бұрын

I might be wrong but something tells me that those mentioned KZreadrs don't use Chinese X99/ERYING boards as their workstations, servers, NAS devices. Test, (maybe deploy), make video, disregard. This is a typical lifecycle of the hardware in a reviewers hands.

@greenprotag

2 ай бұрын

@@Miyconst Jeff (craftcomputing) has had long term 10th or 11th gen erying mutant with no issues. To be fair, he had a stable batch of boards he tested himself and is running. It is true that some content creators that can afford to invest in these solutions can afford redundant systems. The best way to protect you data is to have multiple copies if possible. Jeff definitely ALSO has HIGH grade enterprise/ small business style solutions for his primary nas storage deployments. As stated, it is smart to invest in a proven/ stable solution for your data. The more value to your data, the more you should safegard it. For high risk data OR for a business, you should spend appropriately. ALSO getting a UPS battery back up is important if to protect the data from power failure. Even the most robust NAS will struggle and possibly fail without power. Jeffs long term deployments prove it is possible, but it is smart to invest in something MORE proven. Like hardware DESIGNED for ecc, remote access, and 24/7 operation.

I tried to use a machinist motherboard that I had in a computer I built for my daughter to upgrade my x79 era rack mounted servers to x99 but every time I tried to do something I ran into another issue so I said F it and got a supermicro motherboard

I was looking at the SuperMicro X11SSM-F but it has more features that i actually need. The power consumption is too high. Then i searched and thought i am going to buy the ASRock A520M-ITX/AC mainboard with a AMD Ryzen 5 PRO 4650G CPU. Then i would have ECC Support and could install a 10gb ethernet pcie. The problem is that i would like to have up to 6 HDDs. I could need a recommendation tbh 😅

@M4XD4B0ZZ

2 ай бұрын

Yes i have seen the videos of nascompares but i am not sure about Chinese boards for a nas

@Miyconst

2 ай бұрын

As far as I know the G series Ryzen CPUs don't support ECC RAM, only the G Pro ones. Also keep in mind that ECC and ECC REG are not the same. For 6 SATA ports you can either go with someone like the Gigabyte board with embedded EPYC CPU or buy an M.2 to 2 x SATA adapter.

@M4XD4B0ZZ

2 ай бұрын

@@Miyconst you mean the MJ11-EC0 board right? Looks really good indeed

@Miyconst

2 ай бұрын

@@M4XD4B0ZZ I meant the MJ11-EC1 variant from the video that's currently available for less than $100 on eBay.

@M4XD4B0ZZ

2 ай бұрын

@@Miyconst 🤔 not sure how to go about the power connector problem. I found a link that suggests soldering the connector because there are no adapters to buy. Thabk you for your time i think i will go with this configuration :)

What about AMD Ryzen options?

@Miyconst

2 ай бұрын

Which ones?

@waynetaylor2784

2 ай бұрын

@@Miyconst itx for nas ?

@Miyconst

2 ай бұрын

@@waynetaylor2784 do you have any specific model in mind or you are asking about general recommendations?

A note: I think in this type of videos you should clarify what your testing consists in. Simply because a new viewer like myself has no idea what type of test you refer to. Still the video had useful info, I always found the Frankenstein motherboards a bit sketchy, mostly due to their often dubious origin.

@Miyconst

2 ай бұрын

Are you referring to the "proper testing" that I mentioned in the video? I think I have provided enough info but I will try to be more clear with it.

@mastroitek

2 ай бұрын

Unless I missed it, you do not specify what you mean by it, although you do bring up shortcomings of the boards and problems you encountered (like the ones bios related). Regardless of that, you might have saved me sone troubles, because despite being different about the frankenstein boards I did somewhat consider to get one for an experimental homelab server. Needless to say that after your video I definitely won't buy one

@Miyconst

Ай бұрын

@@mastroitek ok, I will try to clarify a bit, with these Chinese motherboards it's not enough to check if a feature is available in the BIOS, if a SATA port works, very often you have unexpected issues, for example you have six SATA ports but the motherboard refuses to see more than 4 devices connected at a time due to poor tracing, or you have the Wake On Lan feature in the BIOS but it doesn't work, or the motherboard boots and works with ECC REG RAM but the Error Correction is actually disabled.

@mastroitek

Ай бұрын

@@Miyconst I see, thx. So it's like a combination between a misery box and a booby trap, once you get it up and running you find out what a really works and what not and after some time it will self destruct and stop working all together. Amazing pieces of tech! /s

@Miyconst

Ай бұрын

@@mastroitek something like that but the reality is not so dramatic, most of the Chinese hardware sold abroad is at least somehow usable but you shall always search for "hidden gems", thus I can't just recommend anyone to use it in critical devices such as NAS.

I like the Gigabyte MB10--DS4, but it's too expensive. I'm looking for a replacement for my NAS, mainly to lower power consumption but can't justify the investment. I have a Jingsha X99-8D3, Xeon E5-2678v3, 128GB DDR3 ECC, Dual port 10Gbps SFP+ and 16 port SAS3 controller LSI 9300 with 12x 7.68TB SAS3 SSDs. I have 5 X99s boards in total, Huananzhi and Jingsha, but they are not very reliable for 7x24 operation. I'll replace my lab with Epyc CPUs and known brand motherboards sooner or later.

Boa noite, um abraço

Its generally true that chinese vendors do not have firmware / bios / drivers update. If it work on day 1 then great, otherwise you are stuff! However the N series reviewed by nascompars there are bios updates / drivers as they are intel chipsets.

@Miyconst

2 ай бұрын

These N series are the least evil but ERYING and X99 noname is a big no go in my opinion.

I do not disagree with you, but the cheap x99 motherboards do serve a purpose, especially for those getting into a Nas for cheap, I personally have a x99 k9 from machinist, and found the board to be working 24/7 since late October with no issues

@Miyconst

2 ай бұрын

I am glad for you.

I can give you and the community 2 tipps. 1 Gigabyte motherboards are dont like the Magwell capturecards .. they have a problem with it. 2 Tipp these "Sas HBA´s" can also use sata Drives .. Sas can use sata but not the other way around. and ther are for like 200€ with cabels hba´s that do 16 drives.

@Miyconst

2 ай бұрын

Do you mean that the Slimline X8 connector can be used as SATA? I think the problem is that it's not SAS, it just PCI-E lanes with a different physical connector. The SlimSAS X4 is either PCI-E X4 or 4 x SATA, so this one works.

@Nelevita

2 ай бұрын

@@Miyconst You can convert from pci-e to near everything also m.2 or u.2.there is a nice educational video for the madness what you can do with pci-e lanes.Wendel from Level1Techs are an expert. "kzread.info/dash/bejne/nmxoqZuMeb2Tm5s.html" is one of them. Even cabels are painfull to test and validate and what you have and not and what carrys were .. and it goes on and on and on.

Hello thanks for this vidéo. I think you miss something realy important for nas and homelab in general. Support of c state. A nas or a homelab have a low load. So for me the most important is iddle power cosumption. Sorry for my Bad english.

@Miyconst

2 ай бұрын

In that case the Chinese X99 are a big no no.

I Have one Huananzhi X99-TF motherboard with a 2682V4 Xeon and 128GB of DDR4-ECC Cisco memory in one of my servers, working for 3 years without a single drop with truenas Scale. However I understand it might be not the most suitable hardware on the paper in terms of reliability.

@Miyconst

2 ай бұрын

I also have a couple of Huananzhi boards that work for years with no issues, that does not change the whole picture though.

@pablosantiago5711

2 ай бұрын

whats the power consumption on these having them 24/7?

@Miyconst

2 ай бұрын

@@pablosantiago5711 It greatly depends on what other devices are plugged in and what you are using it for. No general answer. The idle consumption is 40-60 Watts.

Планую збирати собі сервер, як NAS як одне з головних використань, але бажано було б щоб він і інші завдання як сервер виконував. Тому чекаю на відео по mATX/ATX

@M4XD4B0ZZ

2 ай бұрын

Do you know a nice small case for 6 HDDs?

@Miyconst

2 ай бұрын

Take a look at MODCASE MASS.

@Miyconst

2 ай бұрын

Інші завдання це які саме? Бо потужне залізо буде споживати забагато енергії та для NAS не дуже оптимально.

@M4XD4B0ZZ

2 ай бұрын

@@Miyconst thank you that is awesome

@Alex_Railnolds

Ай бұрын

@@Miyconst Мне например нужно только кодирование видео. Но я пока не могу понять насколько мощный нужен для этого процессор. Сейчас у меня Synology DS218+, вроде кодирует нормально.

Tnx god someone with channel tells public those Chinese boards are not for Nas or server, those applications needs stability reliability and excellent support which those boards don't have

When a N100-baser mini PC outperforms 7th gen i5s at multithreading and video de/en/transcoding tasks while also consuming less than 30 watts at full tilt, it absolutely baffles me why so many recommendations here are for motherboards powered by processors that are over a decade old

@Miyconst

Ай бұрын

Mini-PC is not a NAS, the Topton or similar boards have nor support, nor guarantee, nor enterprise features, plus many of these Chinese brands were spotted injecting malware or using evaluation copy of the BIOS.

@smudgeous4068

Ай бұрын

@@Miyconst My point was the N100 CPU is substantially more power efficient than 22nm CPUs from 2013 are; the only reason I mentioned mini-PCs was to provide real world wattage values as I don't have a NAS board with one. Super Micro was unwittingly providing customers motherboards with malware years ago until the FBI blew the whole operation up, and more recently millions of Asus and Gigabyte motherboards have been found at risk of injected malware that survives OS reinstalls, so the notion that larger, more well-known brands are guaranteed to be safer is not the smoking gun your response suggests. I have also not seen any reports of Topton/CWWK NAS motherboards injecting malware or performing anything nefarious. Can you cite where you saw this? Multiple other recommended boards also eschewed enterprise features. Your point about support is valid, although moreso with the frequency of BIOS updates. The larger brands do typically release somewhere around 5x the number of updates based upon what I've seen with LGA1700 motherboards I own

@andeddokira

Ай бұрын

I agree with @smudgeous4068 your recommendations all pull over 20 watts at idle just on the processor alone, quite a lot of countries have pretty expensive power so for a homelab setup you certainly don’t want something old or server grade running 24/7 or your power bill will be through the roof for something that has zero ROI, if you really want to stay away from these boards and build an efficient nas you need to spend the money and purchase a 13th or 14th gen i3, by the end of a year you’d have easily spent the price of that setup in power with what you’ve recommended in this video in countries that don’t have cheap power

@andeddokira

Ай бұрын

I also think it’s worth pointing out that you talk about lack of support and malware but you completely ignore the fact that a bunch of the old products your recommending have zero warranty and zero support because they’re EOL, there’s also a ton of security vulnerabilities in a bunch of those old intel cpus including the Xeon ones that haven’t been patched, spectre being one of them

For just network storage, such multi core solutions make no sense in general. Unless you don't care about your energy bill. They use far too much energy even in idle, while for this task you take very little advantage of their potential. So even besides the reliability concerns it makes no sense to recommend it in the first place.

It is mini-dtx that in kzread.info/dash/bejne/o4OYp7evoLmudsY.htmlm39s Also I think the his reason for combo motherboard is low cost

@Miyconst

Ай бұрын

I don't buy the "low cost argument" as R5 3600 + B450/B550 and i3-12100 + H610/B660/B760 can certainly complete on price with much better performance out of the box.

Apologies but there are quite a few factors pertaining to NAS specific motherboards that your recommendations do not take into account: 1) Motherboards to build a new from scratch NAS should be purchasable as new - most (if not all) your recommendations are older and discontinued models that one can only buy used. 2) Motherboards for home NAS applications should use embedded CPUs for low power consumption as NAS' tend to work 24/7. Most of your recommendations have no embedded CPUs and some even require older server-grade CPUs which are not know for their power efficiency. 3) A motherboard for a NAS should have a CPU with a mixture of high and low performance cores since modern NAS operating systems are not only tasked with the mundane task of storing and retrieving data to and from a RAID array (a basic single-core NAS from 10 years ago could do that) but also running applications in containers, hosting services, decoding video and much more (these tasks require capable enough CPUs). 4) A NAS motherboard should provide enough SATA ports to support the number of drives of the hot-swap disk enclosure of a NAS chassis (such chassis' are offered with four 5.25" bays at minimum). 5) A NAS motherboard should provide at least two ethernet ports that can be link-aggregated to minimise the download/upload bottleneck of a single slow G-ethernet connection when serving multiple computers or when downloading/uploading large files from a computer with a higher connection speed (2.5Gbps ethernet ports are becoming more and more common). Taking all the above factors into account, one can see that there are not many motherboards from major manufacturers left that would fit the bill without the buyer having to perform hacky modifications to it. Possibly there is no big enough market for these manufacturers to create such a product or maybe it would eat market-share from their own NAS offerings (think of ASUS' own asustore line of NAS'). Unfortunately low-volume Chinese manufacturers are all we NAS enthusiasts are left with, for creating a NAS from scratch if we don't want to experiment with m.2 adaptors that provide extra SATA ports and PCIe cards that give fast 2.5G ethernet ports.

@Miyconst

2 ай бұрын

I disagree with all of your points either completely or partially but even if I take just the first point "Motherboards to build a new from scratch NAS should be purchasable as new" then we have to disregard ALL Chinese offers because they very often reuse salvaged components on "new" motherboards.

@rokritos2670

2 ай бұрын

@@Miyconst Would you mind sharing evidence that motherboard manufacturers like CWWK and Erying repurpose used components on their new motherboards? If you could make such a video you could get viral. In any case, a used motherboard (especially a server grade) will definitely have all its components well used :-)

@Miyconst

Ай бұрын

@@rokritos2670 this is a well known fact, I am not sure what I can add on top and what kind of evidence will be convincing enough for you. Maybe this video helps a bit? kzread.info/dash/bejne/o4Kex5hsptudY9Y.htmlsi=eLCuMU-OGD7sVGiW

@rokritos2670

Ай бұрын

@@Miyconst I don't think a 4 year old review of a noname motherboard proves that CWWK, Topton or Erying repurpose used components, unless you truly believe it is reasonable to extrapolate this based on the country of origin (Do all Chinese motherboard manufacturers repurpose used components if one noname manufacturer did so 4 years ago?).

@Miyconst

Ай бұрын

@@rokritos2670 what makes you think that CWWK, Topton, or Erying are any better? I tested several ERYING motherboards, the quality and service is just laughable, the warranty does not exist. I also lived in China for 5 years, I know how they do business. One or several factories result in dozens of brands for sales. The brand's cycle is: do some good things, sell with no profit or even at a loss, gain popularity, produce a pile of crap, sell at a high margin, die out. With that being said, I did not test and did not interact with Topton or CWWK, thus it's just my speculation based on my experience with the Chinese and what I can find online.

just get an older hp system - cheap, great documentation, readily available - no need to go anywhere else and pay 2-10x more

Cogito ergo sum

It is a nice video as usual. But I feel uncomfortable when you put down "Chinese motherboards" to a habit. It sounds exactly like NSA does. The quality might not be great, but it worths to its price.

@Miyconst

2 ай бұрын

How much your lost data is worth? I have nothing against budget gaming X99 builds, all the games can be downloaded from the internet but if you store your family photos, your work, video production results, then it's a different story.

@longzhou3088

2 ай бұрын

@@Miyconst I totally agree what you said. I do think the x99 is not suitable for NAS either. But those motherboards are not going to steal your personal data or destroy your files on purpose. They are just cheap and useful, but not evil.

@Miyconst

Ай бұрын

@@longzhou3088 maybe I use the word "lost" in a wrong way but I meant to say gone, vanished, not available any more. Regarding being evil, then you need to watch some videos about infected Chinese mini PCs and why EU banned all Chinese hardware from the telecommunication sector. They DO steal your data, maybe not exactly photos from your PC but telemetry, statistics, and so on. So far, I have not yet seen any evidence that the X99 motherboards from China come with an infected BIOS but I am also not an expert to verify it.

I want my nas to do 10g+2.5+2.5 storage 16 drives 8 rust/8 ssd fast + run at least plex/jellyfin, and as all my media is moving to AV1 ability to transcode to my non av1 devices, so meteor lake embedded or i guess I wait for arrow lake. such a limited supply of meteor lake though.

@Miyconst

2 ай бұрын

You can easily throw in an Arc A380 GPU for fast AV1 transcoding or just use any 12/13/14th gen Core CPU with an iGPU.

@flibustieros

2 ай бұрын

If you generally need transcode ALL your's videos to av1 there is only one option - 4070+ . Check tests, others videocards inc igpu (OMG) suck

There is no point in limiting yourself with micro size mobos. Too expensive and limited choice....

@Miyconst

2 ай бұрын

There is a point - tiny cute builds. 😻 In general, I agree, mATX and ATX have so many better options.

Honestly these recommendations are as bad as NAScompares one's. What a disappointing video

@Miyconst

Ай бұрын

You are welcome to come with better offers 😀

This is just wrong. If you are thinking about NAS. I went down the same way with x99, and it is just wrong. First, for NAS, the only thing you care is your data and you should buy new MB and 2 new large disks, put them in ZFS, and make it do weekly backup to anything, forget about the place you actually placed machine, and just fill with data when needed. Consider brand name N100 board, 8gb mem max. Anything over this is overkill if you are a homeuser. Either your network connection will be too slow, your disks underutilized, your living space wasted. I understand this youtuber is from Ukraine where electricity is cheap or paid by someone else, or living square meter cheap, but for the rest of us in EU or wherever - we cannot afford 4th gen cpu that eats 60w every time syncthing kicks in, and 8 abused enterprise HDDs that will copy itself to other self in infinity, each eating 10w just so we can say we are RAID-like safe, and listening if spindown happens or not. Be practical, value your time, and living space your machine will take away from you, your wife and everything. IF, just IF on the other hand, you think about putting proxmox on it, and about wasting some time trying to setup samba or whatever - then you can safely say this is just a rant, and in that case it is. Because you are then no homeuser, and you already know what you need for yourself.

@vicolin6126

2 ай бұрын

Pretty sure Miyconst is a Ukrainian living in Sweden (all sites are in Swedish), so he most likely knows about how bad our electric bills can get. Sweden often has a surplus of power from our electric grid, which is then sold to Germany - because profit. We could get cheaper electricity here, but nope. For my own take on NAS - I'm a pretty basic user, I don't use RAID. So I went with 2x 18TB drives. 1 for daily use, the other for periodic backups. Started out with a 4th gen ITX system I had around, but it felt limited. Upgraded to a Z4 G4 workstation with a 18 core Xeon and 128GB RAM, smacked Proxmox on it and slotted in a used HBA in IT-mode (sata mode). Made a passthrough of the card and the drives directly to the OMV-VM i use as my NAS. Rest of the machine runs other stuff as my main home server. Replaced all fans with noctuas, and is is pretty quiet 99% of the time. Pretty sleek looking machine too, also it is pretty small for a ATX-sized computer. Cost a bit to set all of this up, but feels worth having a pretty robust system. Draws around 100W if you were curious :)

@theunsortedfolder6082

2 ай бұрын

@@vicolin6126 It is a bottomless pit. I went similar way, but instead of noctua ended with water cooling xeon 2690v4. When having proxmox, its tempting to try anything, so why not add old 3080ti just for the sake of AI things. And then more disks, and more memory, one more network card, and sata controller, because...well, passtrough? Right? It will all drag you down, it will take your valuable space, it will blink, make your wife question you, power consumption, and in summer, it will heat room. That is certain! But my point for this video is - 98% of homeusers just need simple NAS, and 100W on yours is optimistic, and you know it. I will argue that instead of all this junk we bought, we should have had N100, on a new brand board (or low i3), and make it sit idle, waiting to do its thing. Again, what no one is telling users - you will waste time on this OR on new system, but on this one somewhat more. And your time is NOT free, however you may justify it for yourself - it is not, and it costs more than this equipment. Old components that have at least few capacitors fail eventually, and everyone should instead ask himself - is all this junk worth the time and eventual data loss.

C’mon, motherboards from yesteryear? Maybe even used? Sorry, but there is no better NAS Source on YT then @nascompares , but anyway, thanks for the fish!

@Miyconst

2 ай бұрын

You are welcome. 😃