Honestly i would like to see more of how to make a what would be a strong competitive commander into a casual build

@cedhtv

Ай бұрын

You mean more videos like this on other commanders?

@JohnnyYeTaecanUktena

Ай бұрын

@@cedhtv On other ones that are used or normally too good so they are only competitive commanders like Najeela yes. As it is interesting to see how a competitive commander can be shifted into casual if at all, and if it can't it is a interesting case study to show what makes a card a good commander. Also i do disagree with the that you said casuals don't have combos as yes they do but you would mainly see it in decks that would be considered power level 8 as in high power casual which at the fastest without any control deck at the table can actually win around turn 8 consistently, while some do have a chance of getting a god hand where they just win but that's more rare than it happening in competitive

@MrSteelRino

Ай бұрын

@@cedhtv Yes sir!!! Please!!!

The big problem with “casual” nadu is that it is exactly the same as “competitive” nadu. Kinda like chulane (yes ik it isn’t cEDH) where the deck builds itself and can’t really be casual because of how easy it is to go off.

@dimitriid

Ай бұрын

Yes and no: To expand on a fully casual table, it's strategy is going to be far more potent almost by default even with budget but carefully done deck construction. But if you make a casual Nadu deck and run it on a cedh table, unless nobody at that table knows Nadu as the 'Kill on sight' threat that it is (And given it's immediate raise in the tournament ranks, hardly anybody will not know that information) then without the fast mana and free interaction cards you probably won't be doing much of anything and would still be trying to ramp into the first couple of creatures while someone else on the table is already going for a win or someone threw a Force Of Will the moment you try to cast Nadu. So it's a preview of high-powered tactics from cedh but it's far from cedh without the really key aforementioned strategies.

The "c" in cEDH stands for "casual"

@cedhtv

Ай бұрын

I joke about that to sometimes.

This was a solid lesson in restraint. Know what “breaks” a card, and figure out how to tone it down to “I’m doing things but resources are being spent not infinitely refilled”. Nice video Mons.

@cedhtv

Ай бұрын

Thank you.

Casual play staying healthy is vital for keeping cedh alive and healthy too, so vids like this are super great and appreciated. On a side note, idk man...mental missteping a sol ring, cascading my library, or playing opposition agent at all does make me feel unabashedly evil😈 sometimes lol

Good to see people making Nadu casually. He is OP but can be fun and competitive in casual as well.

like this kind of video. helps seperate & avoid accidental cedhs

I would have loved to see more creative ways to build/play with Nadu in casual, such as a landfall theme... Nadu is also really good as part of the 99 in decks like Ivy, Gleeful Spellthief.

I really hope to not see Nadu in casual… :/

I built it using only cards with birds in the art (including lands)

@cedhtv

Ай бұрын

Well that is spot on correct casual.

@MisterWebb

Ай бұрын

@@cedhtv I also brewed Ghired, Mirror of the Wilds using only cards with axes in the art: “Mirror Ghired Axebros”.

Reads title Me: better be 99 lands and this bastard because the value is to real with this guy

This video is logical thinking. You do not need to ban the bird. You need to restrain yourself from wanting to stomp casual pods. This is the narrative that needs to be pushed by people like the Professor.

@cedhtv

Ай бұрын

Thank you!

Love your video.

@cedhtv

Ай бұрын

Thank you!

"In casual you shouldn't be aiming for combo". Mons need to come to my lgs. XD

@cedhtv

Ай бұрын

hahaha

In my not quite cedh nadu deck I use only basics But I run a winter moon

Can you do this for tymna kraum, just show all the cEDH cards that would go in that deck and remind casual players not to do that too 😂 seriously though I think if casual players are piecing together a similar build to a cEDH player accidentally then they are fully aware of the fact it’s not a casual deck, or don’t you think so? Appreciate the casual card suggestions at the end, interesting video. Thanks man!

The problem both cedh and casual have is not these decks. It’s that players from both ends of the spectrum have become greedy, selfish. They refuse to run the appropriate answers in their deck to deal with commanders like this because it will take away from their goal or objective. Stop being greedy!!! Start upping your spot removal!!!

@evanprimeau3810

Ай бұрын

I’m sorry, you mean so that Nadu can draw a Counterspell off the top, or ramp half of his Commander Cost? (The reason why Golos was banned, by the way.)

Nadu being high on percentage win probably has more to do with the fact that it is literally still the first week the card is even officially out: it will not take much for cedh players to adjust and just pack in a vandalblast to blow up shuko and other such tactics. Not that this takes away from your point though I do agree: while it's not exactly cedh level it's power level is usually far above the average casual table in such a way that it's going to behave like a cedh deck on a casual table if that's the case.

Casual Nadu just play voltron, Nadu has flying and equipment trigger too Sword of animest

To help me understand cEDH winrates, could you tell me how many cEDH tournament games end in a draw? The more games that draw, the crazier a 25% winrate becomes.

@cedhtv

Ай бұрын

I think games goes to draw at 20-30% or so. But I am honestly not sure. But a good winrate is arround 22-23%. Sisay at 27% winrate is crazy!

The problem with nadu is that it gets to powerful with very little effort. Urza highlord artificer had a similar problem in casual but many cards you needed to make urza busted in casual where considered boring and cards that made him cedh are to specific. But cards that make nadu busted are already popular in casual (Field of the dead, scute swarm, lightning greaves, lotus cobra). Urza was also very expensive after his first printing while nadu is not. I think that nadu either ends up being bullied out of casual because people focus the nadu player down or it will get out of hand and get banned. Most people will not power down their list when it's so easy to make nadu busted with cards they already enjoy.

Casual EDH is pretend we all are not trying to kill each other and win. The decks in casual and competitive are otherwise very similar lol…

I know it’s a video about casual but what’s the general opinion of how Nadu will play out in tournaments where time limits are an issue - very easy to draw if you durdle slowly.

@davebiedermann4524

Ай бұрын

I see people saying this a lot but is Krark/Sakashima not a much bigger offender?

its just every simic creature doesnt need this untapped lands come into play thing, and this time its not a draw trigger its a put into hand. it would have been just fine with either case. stand by the whole boring for the table like krak/shak

@doncare8

Ай бұрын

they could have done the wording differently. my example would be "when ever this creature becomes the target of a spell or ability, draw a card if its a land put it onto the battlefield, otherwise reveal the card." whats crazy is my version is less wordy and functionally the same other then allowing cards the function around card draw to actually interact with nadus ability. or they could have you know done the sane thing and have lands enter tapped

Step 1, Add 3 cards that equip for 0 ? (Have not watched the video yet)

@cedhtv

Ай бұрын

That is kindaq what makes it cEDH. Your spot on.

@crokeyza-team7257

Ай бұрын

@@cedhtv Also I trully believe the Cedh version should play the umbral mantle

Where is your casual nadu decklist? :)

What is funny is that I played nadu in moxfield just understand it in a cedh meta, und it did nothing until turn 4, and just stormed aroumd turn6. The card is strong, but you need some cards specifically to make it combo off or storm off. KZreadrs got videos with the best cards in their hands, comboned turn 3-4 and now people are misu derstoding the speed of the deck. Still, is not a forfun casual deck...but I think the ban hammer is a mistake

How to build Nadu casual deck tech. No please don’t 😂

As much fun as Nadu is in theory, there are 2 big problems: (1) in practice the "Modern Deck" and "Commander Deck" has been "solved" (Shuko + Urza's Saga + Landfall makes a guy + Thassa's Oracle.) and (2) because the combo win is non-deterministic, it'll lead to 5-10 minute turns, easy. (1) makes deck building boring and (2) makes it futile since it'll probably be banned in multiple formats.

@ignalol

Ай бұрын

nadu with only this amount of time i has already differents variants that go for a midrange value buid, and other that go for a faster aproach. Is the frist time that we can see an strat around lands fall in cedh wich i love and the non deterministic combos in a format with commanders like krakashima and gitrog, i dont see why this is the problem appart form being too good (the more people play this deck the more is gonna crash it's wr, just like it happened with kinnan, more inexperienced players and more counter cards against its strat)

@williamsimkulet7832

Ай бұрын

@@ignalol This is the "I put Skullclamp/Jitte/Lurrus/CopyCat/etc. in every deck" problem; when a card is so obscenely broken it goes everywhere. You shouldn't be surprised to see it in a dozen archetypes because all of those archetypes already run Urza's Saga, which tutors out the combo piece for this already above rate french vanilla flyer. OTJ had a "bomb problem" and that probably usually amounted to "This otherwise on rate or above rate card also just draws me a card every turn." Nadu doesn't draw you a card every turn in limited (THANKFULLY), but with minimum effort it draws you a minimum of 2 cards every turn on a practically empty board. I want to say it's fun, or could be fun to build around. But it makes Skullclamp look tame. I'm sure I have 99% of what I need to build Shuko in commander, and I might be 3 Nadu shy and a few misc. pieces shy of Modern. But I can't waste an afternoon putting this together knowing it's practically already banned in Modern and probably a single rules committee member coming across it away from being banned in Commander.

If everyone just packs a ton of removal and such it will be fine.

@solarupdraft

Ай бұрын

Pointing removal at Nadu will either draw them a card or ramp them. Even when he's losing, he's winning.

@Kryptnyt

Ай бұрын

You are now imagining sitting across from three Nadu players Hopefully you have access to Rule of Law, Portcullis, and Stony Silence

idc what the deck is, there is nothing casual about nadu and you cant really change my mind on that

UG enchantress Nadu exists, seems casual.

@sepeterson86

Ай бұрын

It is.

Casual or cedh just dirdle the birdle, Don’t ban another great commander like Golos!!!!

2 words: clone tribal

Casual Nadu? No…. I don’t think so…. Not when my pod is running turn 7 infinite combos lol

I agree with the sentiment that casual EDH-players (including myself, before goldfishing my build) will vastly underestimate how unimaginable pushed Nadu is. But I don"t agree with the statement (beginning of the video) that in casual commander we should not utilize combos. For me (I know this is a very personal topic for us EDH players) c-EDHs main difference to casual is, that during deck construction you assume a different set of expectations from the other players in your pod. c-EDH: threaten a win consistently by turn 3 or have the tools to stop such a win, anything (every legal card / mechanic) goes casual-EDH: I use the knowledge about my playgroups preferences what constitutes as a fun game of EDH and try to build a deck which I also will find interesting and fun to play, while being able to answer all or most things, I anticipate which will win faster then me or try to stop me from winning. So in casual the expected / desired play experience will vary drastically between people but for c-EDH they are agreed upon. I love combos, but because my playgroups don't like wins with no or very little telegraphing, I mostly play convoluted combos with many (2 or more, excluding commander) pieces to give them an easier time to interact with my game-plan. Back to the video topic: For building a "balanced" as can be, nadu deck, I recommend building him true voltron tempo. So slotting 15 to 25 protection spells (most green), some blue for 1 or 2 mana into the deck and purpously leaving out anything which allows you to trigger nadus ability for free, as well as things that generate a large amount of creatures.The green protection spells often make nadu bigger just on the side with +1/+1 counters. Then you just beat your opponents to death "slowly" while being able to protect nadu, because any spot removal against nadu becomes a 1 for -1 (opponent invests 1 card, you invest 1 card and get 2 back) to your advantage. If you read till here, thank you for your attention and have a nice day!

I imagine theres gonna be a lot of whining and tears on this deck tech lmao

"Nadu needs to be banned." Me Nahhh dude

How to build casual Nadu? NO YOU DON'T

It’s not possible to make it casual. It’s a cedh card and that’s ok

@cedhtv

Ай бұрын

That could be true. But there has to be ways to power it down. You just really have to cut a lot of auto includes.

@renatosanhueza890

Ай бұрын

@@cedhtv If you have to cut a lot of cheap auto-includes is it really possible in practice? The only groups that could really accomplish this are those that play with "theme" decks, but those groups don't exist in my area and I suspect they may be even less extreme casual players than cEDH players.

@sepeterson86

Ай бұрын

It's totally possible

If there is any card that deserves banning its definitely Nadu. On top of that, the pieces that go into Nadu are fairly cheap to acquire. He one of those rare commanders that its hard not to make it good. Aint nothing casual about this commander lol. #banthebird

How to play this commander in a "fair" manner. Stop playing 0 equip artifacts. That is about as fair as it is going to get with this card. MH3 was basically a commander set made legal for modern. This card is just another format warping simic card.

just here to say ban nadu.

@cedhtv

Ай бұрын

I am not against that. use your voice to send you opinion!

you dont

@cedhtv

Ай бұрын

?

@w.s6124

Ай бұрын

@@cedhtv nobody is gonna cut those cheap synergistic pieces.

The goal aimed on this video only tells me.... Nadu must be banned xD

@cedhtv

Ай бұрын

Well if people keep playing lightning greaves and say nadu is casual then yes.