Ya. Bumpers on these sleds are barely bumpers. Always always do any pulling, either out of a hole, or towing behind another sled, by the spindles the skiis are mounted too. Period. Second times a charm. Good recovery. Carrying a small shovel with you helps too. Dig around the track both sides, tip sled on its side, fill in hole with snow, tip back down, and drive away. Cheers.

@sawingwithsandy

3 жыл бұрын

Second times a charm, that’s for sure

Your honest approach is why I watch all your videos.

@sawingwithsandy

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Dave, I don’t hide anything in this channel and that includes mistakes

Awesome video this morning. This reminds me of my father-in-law when he'd get stuck in the snow. He would always stop, stand back to examine the situation and grab a Thermos of coffee from his truck, do a bit of contemplating and proceed to get his equipment unstuck. We learn by doing. Thanks. Stan

@sawingwithsandy

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah sometimes I win and in this case I lose

Haven’t read all the comments. Back in the day when I worked in the woods with a snowmobile we always had rope, a come along, and some sort of cutting tool. The way I was shown to do a self recovery was to cut down a live tree preferably a maple above 2’ longer then the length of the skies. Pass the tree thru the ski loops. Then hook the come along to that and anchor to strong standing tree. Hope this method is helpful. Still haven’t decided if you’re doing all these things on purpose as videos of “what NOT to do”. Keep them coming as it’s like going back in time and watching a younger me.

@sawingwithsandy

3 жыл бұрын

Good idea with the tree through the skis. I wish I could say I was doing these on purpose as that would surely save me a few headaches

Hey Sandy that Winch is an amazing and productive tool. Thanks much for sharing this with us as I always enjoy you vids. I can't imagine the work it must have been trudging through that deep snow for Camera set ups and then the video editing. You're appreciated so keep up the great work and peace and saftey be with you. Oh and congrats on your growing subs!

The best ideas, as we all have learned aren’t always the best out come. You are not alone!

@sawingwithsandy

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Thomas!

Glad you were able to get your snow machine out of the deep snow. I've seen many back country snowmobiler's pack a set of snowshoes on their machines. In the event they get stuck in powder, they can break a trail and walk out without too much misery. That lewis chainsaw winch is sure earning its keep on your property.

That's exactly what I thought would happen when you hooked up. I always pull from the skis

@sawingwithsandy

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah learned a lesson this day

@PNWPrototyping

Жыл бұрын

Yep, pull from the front of the skis, from the loops. Not from the vertical piece as shown in this video. One other trick that gets me out of jams like the is to just roll the machine over 360. Puts the back end on fresh snow. Then pack down in front of the skis. Then power out.

@Spooky4815

19 күн бұрын

I think he would have ripped the loops off if he pulled on them. He pulled from the correct spot imo

That’s a cool rig man, I didn’t know they exist. Thank for sharing.

Sandy you would be better to take some snow shoe's and pack a trail to the machine when it is stuck like that! let it set for a hour and then the machine would come out on its own power without the drag. If your wanting to groom a trail in powered snow take the machine and make a track by itself then hook onto the drag in a hour or so and you should have no problems. A small elan is the way to go for packing a trail in powder and are real cheap to pick up! Check out the snow dog snow machine this is also a great tool for the homestead. Research is your best friend on how to go about something if a person is not sure! Going it alone well one example broken bumper!

What an awesome playground sandy 👍

I almost did the same thing in my 4 wheeler last week. Had taken off my plow and chains and went for a ride around the property. I encountered not only snow but ice and mud. Made it back okay, but learned a valuable lesson. So your not alone in learning.

@sawingwithsandy

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah I can imagine as I’ve been in some similar situations to what you’re describing on the ATV. Sure can be a steep learning curve for me some days. Hope all is well with you Jill

Love your can do attitude. Awesome 👌

@sawingwithsandy

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Sydney

I’ve broken so many of these skidoo bumpers😂my soul hurt a lil bit as soon as you hooked it up

Those winches are handy 👍

If you tow from the skis put a pipe in the ski loops and hook to the pipe between the skis

Nice job Sandy!! ;) Crap like that has happened to all of us if you do any kind of work in your life. Keep up the hard work brother.

@sawingwithsandy

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Andy

I don't know what it's like getting stuck in the snow being from Louisiana but I do know what it's like getting stuck in the mud lol as always enjoy the videos

Just got my 660 a week ago and the Lewis winch mounted on, i can use my 572 for cutting again! Glad you got snow machine out dude, cheers.

@sawingwithsandy

3 жыл бұрын

How do you like the 572? I hear it’s quite the saw

@Madspusher

3 жыл бұрын

@@sawingwithsandy hard to start in the cold sometimes, other than that no issues.

Glad to see you got it out there is nothing worse than when you break your own stuff then kicking yourself saying that was dumb. I've been there quite a few times. It was probably would have been funny to see you taking both sleds back to the house. I know how it would have looked if I did it.

That winch looks like a Great tool that you will find countless uses for :)

@sawingwithsandy

3 жыл бұрын

I agree!

Oh that is a really cool setup :) :) ...... Just remember when pulling out a stuck snowmobile hook to the ski's

Just in case you think that you have the "walk of shame" down to all by yourself.... nope had to do it more than I will admit too. I am full of ideas for getting a machine like that out and one that you will probably say "NO" to. That cowl is already broken so take advantage of it and run some smooth bar through the holes now provided in front and do appropriate things to get the bar.. that smooth bar all the way around to each side.... the next I probably should of been said first which is lift the hood assembly off and find the frame. You will have to fight for real estate so that you can rig something to the chassis and make a solid mount of your own that can have a solid brace bolt/welded to it permanent. You will have to take into account that if you pull on the spot that you pick then what could happen when pulled from the angle picked ( I did a lot of fab work for years in the bush) because if it just bends or breaks it in a new spot that your reducing that machine to garage jewelry on its walls. Sometimes braces need braces as well... meaning make the pulling point chosen to keep going even further back or multiple places it is pulling on instead of just one spot. Once all those places are secure then tag the rod that you threaded inside. Another would be to just repair the broken spots real well so that it has its face back and make a spot under the machine to pull from that won't break under power from being pulled under. That has to have a access point when stuck or its no help it can't be reach/accessed. The reason is sure you don't get that tangled up often but when you do, you get that right. Facts are facts and if its logging equipment then use it accordingly, with out just out and out abuse. I have made skeleton bodies on snow machines that could be taken off and nice stuff put back on. I think we all would like a snow cat but not on these wages. There is not enough room to mount its own little winch spot to mount too. Or if you been hiding money from us all then a dozer that can build a highway through you pristen forest. Thats not going to happen I am sure even if your filthy rich. I sure do know a lot as I know , why ain't I rich and add famous since I get to do the adding. I sure hope that it won't break the bank what ever comes of this. Sorry it happened

Shame about the damage but that box for the winch is a inspired idea, better than the piece of ply that you started with. Keeps it out of the snow and surely easier on the back. Multi-purpose equipment is the best equipment. Greeting from a balmy Southern Ontario...

@sawingwithsandy

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Grant. It sure has worked out well

Thanks sandy for sharing your lesson's learned. That is one thing I really like about your videos. You have no problem sharing and don't edit to only show only your good accomplishments. Too bad for your machine. Hate to play the safety police but can't help on this one. I am not familiar with your winch but the concept is similar to the forestry winch we use. They warn you not to stand in the ''operation triangle'' formed by your winch, the pulley and the anchor point (time 11:45 in your video). We had a strap that was holding a 40 pound snatch block snap while winching a huge log. The 40 pounds snatch block flew a good 25 feet and buried itself in deep snow. Had someone been in its path, he would definitely be dead. That was my learning experience and I now assess carefully where I stand when operating the winch. I'd rather have a few subscribers complain that I am playing safety police then have all of them mourning for you and missing your videos...lol ... safety first

@sawingwithsandy

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching Yves

Thanks for sharing.... love the channel. Craig. Pa.

Hey buddy how are ya? I sure like those pathways you made with the snow blower on your tractor. Ya know thinking back to Grandpas gas winch, he had a piece of 2 foot tow chain on his with a hook so he would wrap a chain around what ever then hook the winch hook to that chain loop. Was quick and strong. Pulleys are the bomb for pulling stuff apart hehehe. I’m glad ya got your snow machine out. Take care God bless you and yours. It’s always a good day when your videos pop up.

@sawingwithsandy

3 жыл бұрын

Great to hear that you’re still enjoying the videos !

I grew up in the Kawartha’s/Hastings region of Ontario. I know what the winter snows there can be like. For our family fire wood was our heat and cutting our own was the economical choice. It was normal for us to cut our fire wood this winter for next winter. If you need to be in the woods there bug free winter is your only sane choice and the more time green cut has to dry the better. We always prefer to cut dead black ash off the local swamps. Dad had an old Alpine (double track) snow machine with electric start. That was our work horse for the woods/swamp. To help haul our wood out dad mounted an electric winch to the back. We’d break trail to our work area and cut to cable length either side. With a sleigh behind that old skidoo we could skid/haul out well over a face cord of wood at a go. Your saw/winch is a fine tool I think if your tried a winch mounted on your snow machine your hauling would be a lot easier.

It's all about learning there eh! how much do you figure the winch set up cost you? wondering as I pick up a gas powered capscan winch works great but was little costly... Thanks for sharing Denis Losier Outdoors

I would be interested in seeing the video of you burying your sled, showing how you kept your calm, professional demeanour. Lol. I had a Grand touring 700 and buried it, my demeanour was quite colourful as I had 2 hours to kill before work and thought I would go for a quick ride in our field. Well that turned into the next day and I was late for work. Lol. I feel your pain.

@sawingwithsandy

3 жыл бұрын

Haha I wasn’t exactly please when I first got stuck that’s for sure haha sounds like you’ve been there and done that

Hey Sandy! Yes little detours can be fun sometimes like that.. been there before… first vid I’ve watched with the winch! Pretty cool unit! Just wondering, I noticed about half way out there, looks like you had something over the cable, an I was thinking, was this some sort of item to throw over the cable so if snapped an whipped back it would stay low? I’ve seen other peps do that with winches sometimes. Anyways yes, I knew as soon as you said there was a fail, I was 99% sure you were gonna hook to the bumper 🥴. Ya olde bumpers aren’t what they used to be unfortunately.. Anyway glad it worked out.. now you gonna walk back again to get both machines out lol anyway take care! Andrew from NB :)

Could have been so much worse, thank an engineer for designing week points lol learning is so expensive, thanks Sandy.

First view of your channel - good presentation and video editing. The destruction of the front pull bar was predictable but entertaining (so long as it wan't my sled - LOL)

@sawingwithsandy

Жыл бұрын

Hahah I learned a lot this day

It looks like you are doing a very nice job getting the cable to wind up on the winch. No more bird nesting. Experience is a wonderful thing.

@sawingwithsandy

3 жыл бұрын

Absolutely. But of a learning curve and things are working well now

That winch was a back saver today!

Awesome video. The trails looked pretty cool with the snow banks on both sides. I guess riding a snow machine is like riding an ATV. Push them to their limits just to see what they will do.

@sawingwithsandy

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah I am guilty of getting this stuck in what I knew was going to be a 50% chance of getting through the deep snow. Guess I lost out haha

when winching or pulling anything, the area in between the lines ( the V area) is called the triangle of death. stand on the outside of that. also something as simple as a jacket or floor mat on the line out in front of you is enough to drop it to the ground if broken.

@sawingwithsandy

3 жыл бұрын

I agree. I typically have a coat or my chainsaw chaps over the line. May not have shown that in this video. Hope all is well. All the best.

Free at Last! 😂😂Good video 👍🏼🚜🪵🇺🇸

Have to give three thumbs up to the script writer on this one, trying to groom a trail in a non travelled area of bush 😏 , winch company loves this vid. Pull by the two front skies, read your manual 🤪

@sawingwithsandy

3 жыл бұрын

No script writing here at SWS 😉

It's called a bumper and not a puller🤣. We always pull by the "pull loops" on the front of the skis just like if you had 2 people pulling you out 👍😎👌

I wonder if a tree stand could be modified for the winch? No more lugging the big box around.

Sandy, Rance here in southern Miss gulfcoast (no snow) but there is a down side.....I have grass to cut ! I'm sorry that the bumper on the snow machine was inadvertently broken. Just cost more money that you didn't have to spend. I would like to know the rated pounds of pulling power your winch is rated, thanks in advance. Keep those feet dry...dont get frost bite of toes.

@sawingwithsandy

3 жыл бұрын

Hi Rance thanks for watching. The winch is rated for 4000lbs in a straight pull without any pulleys being used

No worries Sandy ...I did the same thing.

I did this with a quadsport 250 atv in a mud hole.... Little did I know it was a jeeps mud pit.... The quad only weighed 220 pounds so I lifted it out with pure rage. Took it easy ever since

@sawingwithsandy

3 жыл бұрын

That sure would be a surprise driving into the pit

@matthewharvey8755

3 жыл бұрын

@@sawingwithsandy yes sir!

Little slower with pulley but you did it . Nice video

@sawingwithsandy

3 жыл бұрын

Worked out in the end

That's snow like we used to have in Vermont. Used to get snow storms well into march and april. 50's-60's F this week. Sad.

@sawingwithsandy

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah certainly is a wild weather swing even here this week

Sorry to see you break your snow mobile. Life can be harsh. 🖖

@sawingwithsandy

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Del. I live and learn some days

ohio here sandy - sometimes i learn more from being dumb than being smart.... BTW - ive binged watched your new lumber shed, saw shed and little house builds - Which puts you in the same company of me binge watching of GOT and Breaking Bad - not to shabby... Thanks for the entertainment, and im off to get some sludge.....

@sawingwithsandy

3 жыл бұрын

Great to hear you’re liking the other videos William! Enjoy the sludge!

Looks like your trees were planted by man ? Was property clear cut the replanted I am currently in orchard county and your trees look like and orchard perfect rows no matter what direction you look

@sawingwithsandy

3 жыл бұрын

This is in fact a plantation planted about 35 years ago

@roberto.peterson9917

3 жыл бұрын

@@sawingwithsandy That is why so many tree are the same size for a natural setting tree sizes would be more random and not in rows That is also why they are all so tall trying to find sun . If thinned and better spacing i believe would slow the up growth and grow wider tree base Enjoy watching your channel

You need to pack down trail without groomer then take groomer when trail is packed down also when pulling snow mobile remove drive belt before pulling it will move much easier

Hope the pup is doing good

@sawingwithsandy

3 жыл бұрын

Koda is living life and the almost spring weather

@allenchancery4847

3 жыл бұрын

Mine just had nine pups what fun

I use a 4 foot steel pipe thru the ski handles and a strap to the center. Never failed.

@sawingwithsandy

3 жыл бұрын

Good setup!

Yup, I could see the bumper come off before you attached the cable. Same thing would've happened if it was a car bumper ... they are made for impact and not pulling. If there had been a metal bar under the plastic it would most likely have been destroyed since you're pulling from such a high point. Rule of thumb, anything you drive in the bush needs tow hooks on the front or back. On the bright side you got more value out of your winch along with a couple lessons learned.

@sawingwithsandy

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah I’ll not make this mistake again. Good learning opportunity

When you first showed up and saw the layout , I thought to myself, why winch? It's not that stuck especially that close to the trail, l would have lifted it to it's side thrown some snow under the track stomped out the skies and go. Winched the groomer out after, but then again i'm a monday morning qurterback. But i've been stuck far worse. Sorry bout that bumper, they're better for bumping than pulling.

@sawingwithsandy

3 жыл бұрын

It may not appear deep but it’s well over 2 feet and since the machine with fluids weighs close to 500lbs, I’m unable to lift it far enough to a spot where it is solid enough to drive out. The winch help save the day here for me

Harvesting buried wood in the thick of winter .... worth it?

@sawingwithsandy

3 жыл бұрын

I was out grooming my trails with a drag hiked up behind my snowmobile

I always thought pulling out both skis like that would bend them towards eachother

We learned from mistakes. 👍

Sandy how we lean, but the winch did the job.

@sawingwithsandy

3 жыл бұрын

You’re right about that Duncan

Hooking up to a bit of plastic is optimistic, to say the least...

Oops. Who would have thought Bombardier would cheap out on the most logical place to tow from?

@sawingwithsandy

3 жыл бұрын

Ah well, I should have done a bit more investigation Before hooking up to this but who knew

@JimDockrellWatertone

3 жыл бұрын

@@sawingwithsandy Not me, last snow machine I owned had bogie wheel suspension and lots of metal.

I cringed so hard when you hooked up to that plastic bumper! Did you hear me yelling at you to tie on to the ski loops???

@sawingwithsandy

3 жыл бұрын

I thought I heard something but couldn’t quite tell, must have been you warning me haha

Seems like allot of work and effort to avoid 10min of shoveling.

You must always put a damper over the cable. Incase of break

@sawingwithsandy

Жыл бұрын

I agree

@loydtromblay411

Жыл бұрын

@@sawingwithsandy so i have nasty terrain bush where i am and want to pull logs to the trails available….do you think the winch is worth the money

@sawingwithsandy

Жыл бұрын

Hi Loyd. I think it's a great option to consider for sure. In terms of speed of setup, my tractor winch is faster for day-to-day use just because it's always ready to go and can skid the trees as well. This Lewis Winch is well built though and plenty strong. If you don't mind the steel cable and you want maximum portability it's a great option in my opinion.

You need some more equipment. A little more lowtech than what you are using. A pair of snowshoes 😃😃

@sawingwithsandy

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah they sure would make walking easier haha

You haven't snowmobiled until you bury a sled (usually many times)

@sawingwithsandy

3 жыл бұрын

Isn’t that the truth

Best spot is pull it by the skis

You need snow shoes

@sawingwithsandy

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah sure would’ve helped out in this deep snow that’s for sure

You almost need hip waders

@sawingwithsandy

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah sure was deep here

You are soooooo far from stuck that is why I use my tracking the atv at least I have a winch and it will go through anything like butter

@sawingwithsandy

3 жыл бұрын

I’ve seen ATV’s with tracks but have not seen them get through really deep snow. I’d be interested to see a tracked ATV in the same deep powder for comparison

@Antoineoutdoors

3 жыл бұрын

@@sawingwithsandy mine flote on about 3t0 4 feet of snow unstoppable you need one and get ride of the snowmobile at least you can used it all year around specially this month the snowmobile is useless

They cut weight where they can but come on, give me a steel bumper.

Well I be darn. You mean to tell me that that plastic bar would hold to pull out that machine, lol that was so funny.

@sawingwithsandy

3 жыл бұрын

I thought there was a steel bar within the plastic piece

@donw.2715

3 жыл бұрын

Looks like somebody didn't pay attention to the dialogue within the whole video, lol - well I'll be darn! (he thought there was a steel bar inside the plastic...)

Looks like a tree farm not the bush

@sawingwithsandy

3 жыл бұрын

This red pine forest is only one small part of the land

gold cup is guilty????

@sawingwithsandy

3 жыл бұрын

Guilty of causing the machine to get stuck?

Wow wish we had that much snow this year. I was yelling "Dont use the bumper". You didnt hear me

@sawingwithsandy

3 жыл бұрын

Wish I did hear ya after all

What a same sandy good machine but chip material now you have to get new bumpher . ok learn the lesson.

@sawingwithsandy

3 жыл бұрын

Yup learned a lesson this day

I hope you don't hook to that little flimsy bumper it's attached to the hood.go to ski legs.oh boy not going to be good buddy.opps.

@sawingwithsandy

3 жыл бұрын

Some things I have to learn the hard way

@exotictones1054

3 жыл бұрын

@@sawingwithsandy been there n done that .that's how I learned.

I seen the problem right off....you did NOT have a shot of sludge before you started you wasnt thinking clearly...got to have sludge to clear the head

@sawingwithsandy

3 жыл бұрын

I agree, not enough sludge made me have a lapse in judgement haha

@toddmeanie6003

3 жыл бұрын

@@sawingwithsandy I dont mean to be dogging on you I just want your channel to do good and support you for I really enjoy your post...I am 62 and kinda crippled.. I am building a sawmill (homemade) and hope to get it done this summer..people think I am crazy because there's not a lot of trees here but we do have some of the best black walnut in the world because our windy location stresses the trees and makes great figured wood the trees we have is walnut ,osage orange ,locust, elm, cotton wood,aromatic cedar and pecan east of here about a 100 miles

@sawingwithsandy

3 жыл бұрын

Sounds like some nice wood to mill to me !

7:38 boots full of snow because you didn't put your work pants over top like I've been recommending for ages. Stop tucking your pants into your boots and you'll have drier feet! Shame you busted the front off your machine too.

@sawingwithsandy

3 жыл бұрын

It’s a trade off between dumping out snow from my boot from time to time it having wet lower pant legs. I prefer the dry pant legs