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Straight away, this is the best piece of TWMI you've created since it's inception. Absolutely had me riveted and hanging on every word. I'm guessing it was because the intimacy's X10 from the fixed camera angle, and the warms vs blues in the lighting. Well done good sir.

@TilWeMakeIt

Жыл бұрын

Ah, shucks!

A yes, but ....scenario everyone can understand . Even at home/work/personal life . A balance of moral , approval , gain and sacrifice . And which way you choose could possibly change everything . Great video again Mike !

I heard the yes but, storytelling idea from the creators of South Park and I instantly though about pro wrestling, I am a casual fan of aew, wwe, njpw and impact, and I am forever greatfull I stopped hating on pro wrestling because it has taught me so much about storytelling and I never thought I would be into it, but now I see why so many people love the sport. Anyway I'm not sure where I was going with this, nice vid :-)

@TilWeMakeIt

Жыл бұрын

Thanks, I appreciate it! Some of the talks the South Park guys have done, revealing the process of their writers room, have been fascinating!

That is amazing. You are a creativity power bank. Just by this video i got plenty of ideas.

@TilWeMakeIt

Жыл бұрын

I’m glad to hear it- thanks!

very much enjoyed this video, it was a much more natural and free flowing one than usual but still just as informative! You should do this more!

@TilWeMakeIt

Жыл бұрын

Thank you very much - perhaps I will!

@DarkDuckGaming

Жыл бұрын

The lighting is perfect too! Loved it

While I don't run an actual wrestling company. I often play a game called Total Extreme Wrestling, which is a "Booking Simulator" where I get to control a company and get to book for it. Recently I just started a new game with a Japanese Company with a massive roster, and I'm a little taken back by it lol. Also I don't know where to start, is booking for Japanese wrestling different from the American style?

@TilWeMakeIt

Жыл бұрын

In a broad sense: no. Stories need tension and stakes, and the characters have to evolve and grow over time to keep people engaged. If you drill down into specifics, then you can absolutely find ways in which puroresu is booked differently than pro-wrestling here in the States, and even differences in how characters and personalities are showcased.

@BrodieGH

Жыл бұрын

@@TilWeMakeIt Awesome, that's great to know. I'm a wrestling fan who is always trying to learn about the Psychology of Pro Wrestling, and it's one of the things that has drawn me to playing certain games like TEW or EWR back in the day. I like to be able to create stories that I find interesting; I have always loved the Japanese touring style and the way they present their shows. Plus, I'll forever see it as an achievement while playing a 2014 scenario of the Real World. I was controlling New Japan and got an A* Rating with a Tetsuya Naito vs Yujiro Takahashi match.

I get the idea of creating the conflict to advance a story, but... Oh crap, I see what you mean! In all seriousness, I read the comments to see if others felt the same way - this is one of the more compelling pieces you've done. Thank you

@TilWeMakeIt

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for saying so - I'm glad you liked it!

loved this video! it was beautifully said. it helped me get more ideas for a lot of storylines, thank you very much! ❤️🍀

@TilWeMakeIt

Жыл бұрын

Thanks, Dev! I'm glad!

Can someone please give an example on how to use this "yes, but" formula with a heel, in a pro wrestling context? Thanks

@derekborges6473

Ай бұрын

he win but suffer an injurie ou loose but earns sympathy of the public... i think

I've never had anything to do with the wrestling business (meaning working in it), but as a long-time fan, and a writer/creative type myself, I will say that one thing I think is sorely missing from MOST wrestling I see these days (and certainly from WWE and AEW), is deeper, more elaborate storytelling. A deeper focus on any kind of actual, real character depth. And certainly, a serious lack of respect for continuity, and fans' memory capacity or "attention span". Chikara booking wasn't always gold, in fact there were times when I straight up disliked things that happened. But overall, I would say that Chikara had an unusual focus on characters and stories, and attention to detail, that most promotions don't even bother trying to have. Would I have liked it to be even MORE focused and elaborate, or certain little continuity errors or specific story threads seemingly forgotten to be addressed? Sure. But overall, I think Chikara had a sense of history and continuity that you don't get from most wrestling. Nice callbacks to things that happens sometimes even years prior. Or a sense of progression, such as the BDK leading to Titor leading to the Flood leading to Nazmaldun, etc. Those things didn't just pop up randomly, as the new random story of the month. They were things that has traces and seeds dating back sometimes years. And that was nice. It'd be amazing to see that kind of focus on story and history, but even better, with a big "mainstream" promotion budget behind it. Not that we likely ever will see that. I think the other thing I feel one could argue is largely "missing" from modern wrestling, is good, focused "psychology". Match psychology, character psychology, promo psychology, you name it. Meaning, of course, "why is my character doing this?", "what are my characters reasons for acting this way?", "does how I'm acting or what I'm currently doing make actual sense?". I'd love to see more modern wrestlers really invested in their characters, the way you used to get with guys like Undertaker, Yokozuna, Sting, etc. One of the best modern examples I can think of, is Soldier Ant's sadly brief stint as the brainwashed "Winter Soldier Ant" persona. He was very Taker-esque during that period, in that he was ALWAYS 100% on, 100% in character, constantly acting like a man possessed, "doesn't feel pain", etc. He didn't have much if any wasted motion, and everything he did tended to make sense, both for individual matches, and in the continuity and progression of his character at the time. One of the best overall wrestling performances I've ever seen, I really wish he had retained some of those character traits and ring-style when he reverted back to "regular" Soldier Ant, it was so good. But it's also, while endemic I think of indie wrestling in general, that has bled to the bigger companies over the years, I think to some extent, one could argue that "telling a story in the ring", in a given match, and a dedication to THAT kind of "ring psychology", is somewhat a lot art too. You see far too many matches that feel very random and slapped together, so-called "spot fests", that feel like a random collection of moves being done, instead of two performers actually playing out a thought out and "realistic" fight between them. Not enough focus on, again, "WHY am I doing this move right here, right now?", "does this spot actually make sense in the greater context of the match, or am I just doing it to do it?", etc. AGAIN, I fully acknowledge that I'm just an outsider looking in when I say all this. But from perspective as a fan, and a creative, it DOES seem like you tended to get more/better psychology back in the 80s/90s. Not always, of course. But overall. Sorry for the "novel", Quack. Great video, as usual!

I have a problem that has been on my mind for a while now and I would appreciate it if you made a video on it or responded to me...I am from south Africa and the people here aren't very familiar with pro wrestling, so how can promotions and wrestlers around here draw more fans to the shows and keep them engaged to the product that they are offering?

@TilWeMakeIt

Жыл бұрын

Well...there's a lot of ways to answer this question. But it comes down to finding a method of promoting and publicizing the cards that will resonate within South African culture. The American scene is obsessed with social media, and it is a powerful tool for promotion. But that may not resonate with a South African audience. What kind of marketing grabs attention? Posters? Advertising on TV? Billboards? Publicity stunts in public places? Getting local celebrities involved? I don't understand South African culture, but you do. So...if a circus came to town, or a special touring attraction, how would they be advertised to the public?

When I get older I wanna start wrestling cause I’m 14 rn but how do overcome the feeling that my dream might seem corny to other peoples?

@duckmercy11

Жыл бұрын

Don't worry about others, follow your dreams no matter what!

@extremepop324

4 ай бұрын

Here's a big tip. Do not share your dreams with others, except a select few who you know will be supportive. Most will not understand your dreams and goals and some might say some joke or say wrestling is stupid etc. talking to people about it is a waste of time unless they're gonna help in some sort of way

This was a great video, thank you! How do you find people to start a promotion with?? I tried reddit and others, but no one i could find is into starting a promotion around my area. The most i can find is wrestlers themselves. Is there a recommended platform to scout people?

@TilWeMakeIt

4 ай бұрын

Not at this time. I am aware of a mobile app that's in development that might ease this process, should it actually get to market. What area are you trying to promote in?

9:59 gotta debate here Walter White was an ineffective Babyface that turned by necessity and THRILLS into the most Dangerous HEEL

I really dig where your coming from here . I feel the same way when I here stuff like this . But Ive been in the "wrestling bubble" so long now , its sometimes kinda hard to see it the way normal/mainstream people do . But I totally get why they think that way . I grew up watching wrestling since 85 . But I wonder if I was born in the late 90s or later even like most younger fans these days , would I even like Pro Wrestling ? It is so different now . While I still love wrestling , would I still if I hadn't grown up in that heyday ? I cant answer that .

How to book a tournament? N how to make yours different from others

Th quickest way to explain this IMO, look at the colors that Grace mike in the shot. There's Two sides to conflict, The Gold (the Good) and the Greyish (the Bad). To make a Deal that Follows The "Yes, And..." format is tough to pull off unless you're a Heel. the bad guy knows he's A Dick so Any Which way he sees victory Is A Positive. the only situation where the heel may be faced with the latter would be An unlikely ally interfering. so "yes" he gets the Win "but" why would "They" of all superstars help the heel? is it for the gold? or is he Grasping the heels message despite being an outsider? Just a Random Shot 😕

Great scenario , wrestling 101 . It doesn't have to be too convoluted , over thought and contrived . What you laid out everyone can understand yet it still has enough layers to where your not sure what could happen next . Will the babyface fall in to the devils snare ? Or will he overcome the temptation to keep the gold at any cost ? Fans be damned ? Or fight valiantly against evil whether he loses the belt or not ? A ton of ways you can go to keep the fans guessing if pulled off right .

What a great principle and explanation. I was looking into it because im starting up a for fun wrestling company with the help of wwe 2k23 called the Internet Wrestling Corporation on my KZread. The idea is to take stuff from the internet wrestling community and incorporate it into angles. My match to crown the inagural champion was cm punk vs chris jericho if that tells you anything 😂 Anyway i love the yes but concept it helps me alot even in this case coming up with stories and ideas for stories with that. I dont know why cuz im a guitar player too but my creativity has been coming up with alot of wrestling stuff lately so i wanna capitalize on it.

I very much agree that the engaging long term storytelling provides tension and entertainment, all those reasons are why I loved Lucha Underground (besides being just great cinema in general) .. but if I may submit an alternate theory: the late night audience laughed at the headline because the stigma associated with wrestling still makes it a punchline. Even with the legitimacy of being covered on ESPN and Sports Illustrated occasionally, it's still perceived as not "on the level" with "established" entities like the NFL or the NBA; I personally find this hypocritical because a lot of enjoyment comes from getting angry at the rules (commissioners / GMs), following the daily SportsCenter cycle (dirt sheets), and saying the game is fixed (the stigma wrestling is fake). So I feel the bigger question is how do we convince the public wrestling is legitimate and worthy of sports cathedral levels of investment? I long for the day stadiums like my hometown's T-Mobile Park and Lumen Field will be adorned with wrestling icons the way that men who throw a ball are considered deities in modern society.

@TilWeMakeIt

Жыл бұрын

This is such a great take, Sol. And yes, I think there's a lot of validity in what you wrote here. Simply put: I don't know the answer to the question you are posing. The whole "wrestling is fake" stigma has been around for nearly a century now, and it requires such a nuanced conversation to understand fully...in an age where nuanced conversations rarely happen. Whoever screams loudest is rightest, on the internet. However, I think (slowly) the tide can be turned by allowing people to understand exactly how challenging and demanding pro-wrestling is. It will earn their respect, if they bother to learn.

@TheSolXP

Жыл бұрын

@@TilWeMakeIt It's not an easy question to answer, but it's always worth engaging in to entertain the concept that maybe an answer can be found one day if we all pitch together; a philosophical rumble, if you will.

@delavega989

Жыл бұрын

I guess I'll put in my two cents too. I think it's also important to point out that professional wrestling has never really recovered from the death of kayfabe. I tell people this all the time, but the most disaffected, "apathetic towards wrestling" individual you'll meet, was probably, at some point, a wrestling fan . The average person is, at the very least, familiar with The Rock, Stone Cold, Hogan, Cena, or Vince McMahon, and possesses JUST enough knowledge about wrestling to have formed a strong opinion about it (which is why Fallon's writers most likely picked the betting story to talk about). WWE is also responsible for this shift from long-form story telling, to easily digestible month-long programs designed with the express intent and purpose of simply filling a card, or padding a three-hour runtime, with no real payoff. 50/50 booking just doesn't work, and SURPRISE SURPRISE, the hottest act in pro wrestling right now (The Bloodline) just so happens to be telling the longest, most compelling and comprehensive story. Honestly, I think the betting thing is a terrible call. It comes off as tone deaf and predatory, as gambling IS a serious addiction for some folks, and I'm assuming these same people lack the self-control or wherewithal to stop themselves from betting on something they KNOW is predetermined by WWE Creative. What's next, betting on who wins and who loses in the next MCU movie? As a lifelong wrestling fan, I read the betting news last week, shook my head in disbelief and disappointment and walked away from my phone. Ultimately, I suspect this idea will just be another one of VKM's many ill-fated attempts to make money outside of wrestling, by using wrestlers as the hook. ICOPRO, WBF, WWE New York, and the XFL, just to name a few.

How’s this for theory: YOU say good pro wrestling is just good story telling. yes, but I would say you’re JUST above the foundation. The foundation is classical conditioning. Good pro wrestling like any good story leverages basic human psychology.. That Fallon audience had been conditioned to have the reaction they had to that proposition Jimmy read Ivan Pavlov’s classical conditioning at work. Just as the public can be conditioned to jeer and laugh at pro wrestling despite the lack of transparency that any critical analysis of demand them to react the same way toward NFL or NBA OR Boxing outcomes The same way they CAN be conditioned to react differently towards pro wrestling. It starts with leveraging basic human psychology. The best in ring example of this done very well that I could point you to is the post match angle where terry funk challenges is refused and then attacks ric flair in 1989. From the body language to the facial expressions to commentary it was all presented as It was real. Terry funk evoked uneasy feelings and distrust and an imposing threat. So when the mask comes off and he attacks flair then not only is anyone not surprised it’s believable and it’s easy to get emotionally invested. That emotional reaction is where the money is Instead today if you look at a promotion on tv like AEW. they present Jon Moxley as a babyface despite the fact that when you look at the physical appearance of him he evokes the same feelings that you get from watching SAW. HOSTEL OR HELLRAISER. This guy should be a heel but instead they force the audience to insult their intelligence by expecting the audience to cheer him. Blood is a useful tool in wrestling when it comes towards conditioning, it has to blur the lines and be presented as real and for a real reason. People don’t use basic human psychology in modern wrestling and that’s the biggest flaw I think. IQ’s in the average person is not going up it’s going down. They’re ripe for being classically conditioned because critical thinking is pretty rare. There is opportunity here for pro wrestling promotions not just tyrannical regimes.

Mike, I think your assessment of how wrestling should be booked is spot on, BUT when you frame that as a solution to the reaction you heard, I think you're missing the point. I can't imagine anyone in that Tonight Show audience was laughing because "there's not enough drama in wrestling" I'd bet you damned good money they're laughing for two reasons - 1) That it compares wrestling (which they don't respect and take seriously) with "legitimate spots, and more importantly 2) Because this suggests they're working on implementing gambling on explicitly pre-determined outcomes, which I have to agree with them, is pretty silly. Consider guys like Pete Rose, who are disgraced for life for even trying to put a thumb on the scale of a gambled-on sporting event. Now stop and think about the hypocrisy of that when you add a fully scripted contest into the practice. Not only is there the risk of small-scale nefarious shit (i.e. a low-level WWE employee is having money problems, but catches wind of who's winning a big match so he texts a relative or somebody he owes money to the result, to place a bet, etc.) but on a grand scale - i.e. want a quick way to make all your betting site sponsors happy? Occasionally sway the booking on a big match so that the result cuts their way and they make a killing. And how would a regulator even know you were doing that? You wouldn't even need to have the sportsbook companies messaging WWE execs saying "Hey, would ya mind putting Roman over at Mania?" All it takes is for someone in WWE to keep tabs on where people are voting, wait until some match has a ton of action on one side, and then go "ok, not THAT" - now you might as well have paid out millions to your sportsbook "partners." So, yeah, I get it. I find the idea ridiculous as well. Who the hell would think it was a good idea?

The destination (match finish, feud conclusion) may be concrete but the journey is not.

It’s like if they were taking bets on who would get snapped at the end of Infinity War. 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

Really don't understand why people would laugh at the idea of betting on pro wrestling results. Here in the UK it's already a thing. I placed a bet in 2018 for Nakamura to win the Rumble for example. But you can bet on all kinds of things like characters in TV shows getting killed off or even the names of the next royal babies. Wrestling may be pre-determined but there's always room for a swerve or unexpected returns etc

@TilWeMakeIt

Жыл бұрын

I had no idea this was a thing. Where do you bet money on TV characters being killed off? That's wild!

@dafyddroberts6065

Жыл бұрын

@@TilWeMakeIt I've seen it on a betting app years ago. But never been in an actual bookie's so I can't say anything for that

Thats probably true fir the casual fan but not the core fans. Wwe dies this corny storytelling and the in ring stuffers vreatly. AEW has the best in ring matches action but lack story my persinal prederence is AEA cause it follows that Jim Crockett NWA 1980s in ring model!