Long awaited follow up video is now up, this still works and a lot of fun has been had as Alpha accounts this last month or so. kzread.info/dash/bejne/h4R10cmiY6WWmLA.html

I know this is an old upload but someone get this man a medal.

always come back to this video .. warms my cold heart.

@hikingphotog

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks, great to see that this video is at least somewhat actively making its rounds still. Shame I'm too busy to make a worthy followup.

I'm conflicted, I do like those incredibly stupid lossmails, but your efficency at Salt extraction is truely amazing...

@hikingphotog

7 жыл бұрын

Yessir, ganker tears are much saltier than normal tears. Best part is 2 days later we baited that same guy to use 3 nado's on another hauler, but never heard a peep :(

@Th3Siam

3 жыл бұрын

@@hikingphotog haha that's awesome

@tramendu1

2 жыл бұрын

@@hikingphotog For sure they have your name engraved with tears in theyr ego, have you tried it with a new character?

@hikingphotog

2 жыл бұрын

@@tramendu1 A couple did flag one or two of my characters, which was great as being blacklisted by gankers just made hauling my shiney stuff around that much safer. Between my 2 accounts and my brother's account we probably cycled through maybe 7 different characters hauling bait in bait tanked badgers and whatnot. I did have one guy tell me to not try everything I see on KZread after the video made it's rounds, heheh, sure.

never laughed so hard at an EVE video on youtube. Well done sir, doing God's work.

@hikingphotog

7 жыл бұрын

Glad I could enlighten your day a little bit. Shame I didn't get the triple nado hit on video, I've never laughed so hard from playing than that one.

You may have single handedly managed to extract the most saltiest of tears. the most rarest of tears in the universe. I adore you sir.

@hikingphotog

6 жыл бұрын

Your kind words are much appreciated. Just fighting for the little guys and having much fun.

@solitude9875

3 жыл бұрын

@@hikingphotog he has Salt Mining, Adv Salt Mining and Specialist Salt Mining trained to V

Thanks a lot for this video, I tried to follow you - and sucessfully survived a CODE attack of 6 catalysts in Uedama, using a tanking Nereus!

@hikingphotog

6 жыл бұрын

Glad I could be of service. Its better to make more trips in a tanked ship and earn some killrights along the way than to try to fit it all and get popped with minimal effort. You can even tank a crow/raptor to take a full nado hit in perfect conditions (not moving/in optimal) to use for smaller autopilot runs.

@summonsays2610

6 жыл бұрын

you missed the point of this video I think.

Nicely done... but 1 thumbs down? Must have been one of the guys that got baited.

It's 2019 and i'm Lucy Klopapier, the first dude in the video. I gank for a living now and I just completely randomly found this Video. My brain is completely shattered.

@hikingphotog

4 жыл бұрын

I just wish I had recorded all the gate vexor baiting I did before I got lazy and resorted to station nado baiting.

@gerbilkill

2 жыл бұрын

I hate master baitors.

@stuartredmann7515

Жыл бұрын

@@gerbilkill This comment deserves a lot more upvotes ;-)

Just an update, I hauled a few billion in random drugs back from Amarr and Dodixie the other day in my badger and suckered both nado's I saw on the whole trip into taking the bait. And I wasn't even trying to bait, just legit needing to bring stuff back to Jita.

@shortsdeliveries

4 жыл бұрын

Jeremy, I'm sorry I didn't understand very well, so you just tanked the hauler very well and who killed the pirates? The station? Concord? Players? Everyone?

@norm1124

4 жыл бұрын

@@shortsdeliveries I didn't understand too: did you shoot back or is this in high-sec?

@hikingphotog

4 жыл бұрын

This is in hisec. What is happening is that the gankers will scan your cargo but not your fit (ship scanner can be unreliable for split second decisions as it can sometimes not show any modules at all). If they feel they can take your ship based solely on the hull type, and your cargo is sufficient to justify the risk, they will try to gank you. When they do so in hisec they get flagged criminals, gate/station guns will open fire and Concord will show up in 10-20 seconds. At Jita 4-4 for instance, gankers generally use Tornados because you will only get a couple of seconds to shoot the target. And since I am prepared for this with a very tanked hauler (and some faction modules to help beef it up a bit), I actually get disappointed when I haul stuff around or leave station and don't get scanned. If you want to get super cheesy you can fit a small turret on your hauler and start locking them back when they scan you, so that once they make the choice to fire you might have finished locking them and can at least get on the killmail.

@shortsdeliveries

4 жыл бұрын

@@hikingphotog i am a poor alpha and did this with my badger... but yesterday i decided to haul my only 1,5 bil in loots in a Raven! i simply fitted all faction modules i had and all geckos in the drone bay, run by run i hauled everything haha.... bt selling 8 caldary navy heavy lunchers if ur interested haha

The Mass Effect "Suicide Mission" song was perfect for this.

@hikingphotog

4 жыл бұрын

It just felt to cliche to use EVE music for an EVE video... that one fit the bill quite nicely.

Greifer tears are the best.

Wish I could like this twice...

Now this is art.

@hikingphotog

6 жыл бұрын

Thank you good sir. Glad you appreciate it.

great vid, you know its working when the ganker says they will wardec you. good job keep it up

@hikingphotog

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks! We never did get dec'd for that one, so its even better when its a hollow threat. Though our previous ventures in baiting and killing packs of Vexor gankers did yield some wardec love.

You should do this more often !

@hikingphotog

7 жыл бұрын

I actually did this stuff for about a month before I put my account on ice 2 years ago, and even though at the time I was baiting mostly vexor ganks on trade route gates I still pulled in about 1.5b. Though since this video went up we haven't seen many nado's on station anymore.

May God bless you with 100 months of plexed accounts!

Imagine getting yourself blown up and then complaining about it to the person you tried to rob.

@hikingphotog

4 жыл бұрын

Great isn't it? Griefer tears best tears. That war dec they promised never came through either...

@Dr_Tripper

3 жыл бұрын

Sound like Libtardism

@BruceCarbonLakeriver

3 жыл бұрын

@@Dr_Tripper HAHA thought the same xD - gankers are hypocrites mostly ^^

@MalakianM2S

3 жыл бұрын

@@Dr_Tripper Lazy troll kung fu there, buddy, if you ask nicely if you print the comment your mom may put it in the fridge door with a star sticker.

I could watch this on my second monitor all day...

Great video m8 :) please post more. it is so much fun :)

Love what you're doing here. What sort of EHP do you go for? On my Mastodon, I get 100k without even trying, 200k with a little effort, and could probably push higher if I went for something more than Tech II modules.

@hikingphotog

7 жыл бұрын

Current Mastodon fit shows 200k with navy extenders and diags. Though i wouldn't use the mastodon when i can get the Bustard to double the EHP with the same modules. (not quite sure why)

Now I want to try an armor tanked Bestower. Good video!

@hikingphotog

7 жыл бұрын

The Bestower actually ends up being a mix due to grid requirements and available slots. You usually end up with a primary shield buffer (1-2 nados) with additional armor buffer that can take an additional nado. It is one of the weaker haulers though.

@jasonbagshaw5345

7 жыл бұрын

shield sigil

@gfox9295

7 жыл бұрын

+greybill I hear good things about the Impel. It and the Nereus and the Battle Badger are renowned at their combat and tanking prowess. ;)

I love it!

@hikingphotog

7 жыл бұрын

Thanks, you should fit up a hauler or two and try it out yourself.

You are a true hero

Awesome man gonna try that !

I spent two days trolling around in a Nereus and tried to get a ganker to attack me outside Jita, at most my cargo value was 2.5 b. Still no one have tried attacking me. So do you warp between certain locations or fly in a certain manner to get them to attack?

@hikingphotog

7 жыл бұрын

I'd either align to the NC gate or initiate warp towards that gate...i don't know what to tell ya man, it obviously worked for me. If nobody is targeting you then it doesn't matter what is in your hold. But if gankers ARE targeting you then dropping lock, that means they have determined you are not worth it, and if they see you repeatedly doing the same thing they will flag you and spread your name around their community. I'm sure my name has been spread far and wide at this point. Try using a different ship on a different account. Personally i haven't seen many actual gank nado's watching the undock as of late, could just be my timing lately i don't know. Undock in a regular ship, and look up the killboard history of any nado's that seem to be camping. If they have mostly pods or other combat type ships primarily, then they are not looking to gank haulers. It will be obvious if they are looking for haulers to shoot by their kill history.

I love this!

@hikingphotog

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

Thumbs up for the mass effect music

I didn't understand the money part about un docking and activating a few modules? Can you explain to me in greater detail I'm obviously slow thx.

@Ancient1981

5 жыл бұрын

Basically, he makes money by selling the kill rights of the ones attacking him. Kill rights are “permissions” CONCORD gives you to kill this people wherevere you find him. Because he is attacked unprovoked, he gets killrights, even if he survived. He then sells those killrights to whoever wants to pay. Generally the very same gankers pay up, so they can undock and continue ganking.

I love your voice tone while you talk about this hahaha

"Don't piss off pirates :(" LOL glorious pirate tears. Not funny anymore when you have it coming your way?? xDD

@hikingphotog

7 жыл бұрын

Tis always the case, its much less fun when your prey starts eating into your time and iskies. Not to mention the opportunity cost of them being in station for 30 minutes while some juicy targets get a free pass.

@ZRock7771

5 жыл бұрын

Lol sitting on a station in hi sec calling himself a pirate smh

@youssefakdim7695

4 жыл бұрын

@@ZRock7771 High sec pirate

@goofytycooner5519

4 жыл бұрын

@@youssefakdim7695 That ain't a pirate, real pirates are able to screw around in low sec and kill everything they find. I have respect for those guys. Not these high sec dummies

@BruceCarbonLakeriver

3 жыл бұрын

@@goofytycooner5519 fully agree!

You never mentioned points in the shield resist skills. Are your skill points in shield resists maxed out when this was recorded?

@hikingphotog

6 жыл бұрын

These were done with Alpha skill sets, so however high an Alpha account can get the skills is what was being taken into account.

This is great you sir are a hero :-D

@hikingphotog

7 жыл бұрын

I do what I can, if anything it helps educate newbros on fitting for hauling. Worst case I get blacklisted by gankers and never bothered again, shame.

Purchased my Nereus and have enough to equip. Can I do this in Jita or are they to smart there ?

You are a true warrior, sir

@hikingphotog

6 жыл бұрын

Thank you good sir. Just trying to do my part.

1: Now every ganker that watches this will have a ship scanner 2: The wardec was worth it, if he actually payed some merc to do it ;)

@hikingphotog

7 жыл бұрын

By forcing them to use a ship scanner they have to sacrifice either a tracking or scan res, which can reduce their chances of a successful hit. Ship scanners also aren't very accurate, sometimes only returning 1 or 2 modules on a full layout, requiring a 2nd scan, at which point the target is probably already in warp. Another missed opportunity. The only real change I've seen is in general there have been fewer nado's ganking on station than there were before this video started making its rounds. Checking the KBs for a lot of my victims shows they aren't really hitting as many haulers anymore. The wardec never came, even after I baited the same guy the next day with a different character into failing on a triple nado hit. Shame he spent all his money buying new ships and paying off his own killrights he couldn't afford a wardec.

Pirates tears are like phoenix's tears. They can set piece to all the ships you lost xD

Loved it!

@hikingphotog

5 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it. I got bored tonight and figured I'd give it another go, sure enough I found another sucker as soon as I logged in and undocked.

Thank you! you deserive lots of ISK and medals!

@hikingphotog

Жыл бұрын

Before making the couple billion ISK just from the Nado's killrights in this video, I made at least twice as much baiting Vexors on gates and selling those killrights for much less ISK on each one. So I think I've got the ISK covered from those.

So nice! That best trolling!!!

would this work hauling a gank contract like Jita to Amaar?

@hikingphotog

7 жыл бұрын

Possibly, just depends on the worth of the cargo and how many nado's they want to commit, as they would have some time to formulate a plan between the scanner and the gank. I used these fits hauling stuff through the trade lanes a couple years ago and made 1.5b off the killrights. But as always, if someone wants you dead its just a matter of how much they are willing to spend to make it so.

How do you get gankers to attack you? I don't see any gankers when I'm on jita undock.

@hikingphotog

5 жыл бұрын

You have to have cargo worth ganking. There aren't as many station campers as there used to be though. The best chance to find them is one weekends when there is more traffic.

Love this hate gankers with a passion

To scan a ship cargo/fitting you dont need to lock the target before ?

@hikingphotog

3 жыл бұрын

You do have to target the ship in order to scan it. That is why making them choose between scanning the fit and sensor booster is so much fun. When they target you (unless they are using a passive targeter) you will see them show up with a yellow box. Then when they engage you it changes to a red box.

I'm confused? How are getting free isk? Aren't you placing the bounty on them so if they die the person who kills them gets it right?

@hikingphotog

2 жыл бұрын

Bounties are completely different than Kill Rights. Kill Rights enable anyone who was a victim of illegal aggression (ie, ganking), to set an ISK value to turn that pilot suspect for 15 minutes, giving anyone the opportunity to blow up that ship. Whereas Bounties are mostly worthless and can be assigned at random and will only pay out 10% of the value of the ship until the total posted bounty is gone (which unless you are in low/null, require you to illegally aggress them in the first place, which then causes you the loss of your ship). Unfortunately Kill Rights are also used by other pilots to bait unaware pilots into a pitched fight so they can get easy kills. Sometimes they are also used for insurance farming as well if the value of the Kill Right is more than the insurance cost.

Its beautiful.

@hikingphotog

4 ай бұрын

Thank you!

Brilliant!!

@hikingphotog

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

really good!

Can i use this fit for hauling stuff? I'm new in eve

@hikingphotog

3 жыл бұрын

Of course. It doesn't fit quite as much as the full cargo fits, but those are paper thin and very easy to blow up. Depending on how much you are hauling you can probably get away with some cargo modules, but I'd still lean towards having more tank. See my update comment from 2 years ago, worked just fine for me then.

dont they scan your ship and see al that shield power?

@hikingphotog

6 жыл бұрын

Ship scans don't return 100%, sometimes they don't return anything at all, sometimes just a module or two, and sometimes (very rarely) they return a full loadout. So you usually have to scan a ship several times to get a good reading on the full fit. Because of this unreliability a lot of gankers don't even bother and just scan cargo hoping for no tank.

Nfts are coming to eve, are you planning on getting back to it?

im assuming that appropriated skills are maxed out?

@hikingphotog

4 жыл бұрын

Alpha clones can only utilize a set amount, but yes, they are maxed as alphas.

Hey is this still working? I made a fit last night that is dirt cheap and gets me about 50k ehp not overheated. Will this work?

@hikingphotog

6 жыл бұрын

It works as long as there are nado's without ship scanners watching the station. I haven't tried in a while but then again I'm probably blacklisted with a lot of gankers just for how much I did this in the past. Last month one of them convo'd me and told me not to try everything I see on KZread, lol.

@acidpilled8733

6 жыл бұрын

+Jeremy Nickoson Is 300mil in the cargo enough?

That's fantastic :D

@hikingphotog

3 жыл бұрын

It was a lot of fun. I wish I'd taken the time to properly document so many of my other anti-ganker griefing activities in my early years. I made several times what is shown in this video from a previous run of baiting Vexors... to the point several of the ones I'd bait most often would just log off if I hit system.

How much damage can a single tornado alpha strike put out? Also how much a tornado fit like that would cost would be nice to know

@hikingphotog

2 жыл бұрын

It was between 10k and 14k, I don't remember it's been a while since I did that math or loaded up a fitting tool with a max alpha Tornado. Finding the best solutions were the results of lots of testing on Sisi, for all sorts of scenarios, even finding an interceptor build that could take an alpha Tornado while not moving.

@hikingphotog

2 жыл бұрын

Also have to pay attention to the re-fire rates and if Concord is already on grid or if they are on grid somewhere else (because you get difference Concord response times). Which equates to I think 3 potential volleys in a .5 system if Concord was already spawned somewhere else in system but not present on the local grid. There was lots of testing involved and lots of numbers.

@snugg1escat676

2 жыл бұрын

@@hikingphotog that is concerning to know that my Miamos ore hauler can be 1 shot. It has around that much ehp and it usually carrys about 10mil of ore to perimeter. I do guess 10mil isnt worth a tornados ship tho.

@snugg1escat676

2 жыл бұрын

I just a hauler trying to stay safe, and knowing ones enemys is very valuable knowledge.

@hikingphotog

2 жыл бұрын

@@snugg1escat676 From the costs of the ship and the modules, to make it worth their time and effort, they usually won't bother with someone unless they have a few hundred mil. They have to account for 50% drop rate on average and have to cover the 80 mil of the Tornado, with enough left over to cover the time for the ganking pilot and the looting pilot to be flagged for 15 minutes after waiting for 15-30 minutes finding a target.

I recently was ganked. I couldn't shoot I couldn't use my drones I couldn't warp. I just sat there and watched my 94 million isk ship explode. Then they podded me. I wish I knew how to get back at them. Even in the hecate , I'm sure they would still beat me. I'm gunna try this bait . In Decon.

@jesseamaya4413

2 жыл бұрын

Well, this video is a GREAT start for payback. Not sure how relevant it is still but ganker tears are the best tears.

I cant unsee the 98 style topbar.

@hikingphotog

6 жыл бұрын

Can't stand the new W10 crap. Have it set to as close to classic mode as possible. Plus playing window'ed mode is much easier to multi-task with everything else...

@JaesNSC

6 жыл бұрын

Jeremy Nickoson True. Its just one of those things you dont see alot :D

Can you show us a failed gank video?

Are alphas not allowed to double wrap to make their cargo look shiner than it really is?

@hikingphotog

2 жыл бұрын

Pretty sure double wrapping was removed before we made this. But i could be wrong, i haven't tried to do it in a while.

@alex_zetsu

2 жыл бұрын

@@hikingphotog I know double wrapping started to become "no go" for hauling companies because gankers (often correctly) assumed everything that wasn't scannable must be a BPO and I think so so it was at the time of the video, pretty much dead even though you could do so. There is at least a minimum a three year period when double wrapping was doable but no one would do it. I don't know if it was patched out. If it wasn't patched out, this would be a great way to make your cargo look really shiny, maybe the battle Sigil will see the light of day again!

The amount of salt extracting xD

@hikingphotog

6 жыл бұрын

Only the saltiest tears will do.

do people not check the fit before attacking you?

@hikingphotog

7 жыл бұрын

Ship scanners are not accurate, it takes several scans to get a good reading. When they only have 5-10 seconds to take the shot it doesn't give much time. Most of the time they are betting on the modules not being turned on. Also with Nado's they need scan res and tracking in their mids, no room for the ship scanner.

Wonderful

@hikingphotog

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

You are legend :)

@hikingphotog

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks, but apparently not legend enough. I just tried this again for the first time in months and sure enough, of the 2 nados on station, one of them still fell for it. Until today I hadn't been cargo scanned in at least 6 months.

Fill a bestower with a few awful abyssal mods, got a nado with that

@hikingphotog

4 жыл бұрын

Not a bad idea, though I'm curious now that they have the value included with the scans how accurately those show for abyssal mods.

Do people really try to gank DSTs with a single nado?

@hikingphotog

7 жыл бұрын

It is usually a small gang to do the DST's since they have already high base resist and a total base HP's of over 10k. There was one guy i was watching who hit 25 of them in a months time...no matter the fit, mainly because they'd never activate their tank. He used 2 nado's and a few cruisers. He didn't always get the kill, but he did often enough to make it worth the attempt. Its those guys that i'm targeting with the Bustard.

I don't understand. I'm a new player. How are you killing people with one gun and shield extenders? Instantly? Half the time, nothing is activated... ? If I thought learning curve was steep, here comes another cliff.

@hikingphotog

6 жыл бұрын

The key here is these guys are attacking ppl in High-Sec. That means the police come to do the dirty work and blow them up. What they are doing is called "ganking" which they play the rng loot drop game hoping that enough of your precious cargo will drop to pay for their ship, which is ALWAYS killed by the police when they commit such attacks. What i did was undocked with a nice shiney cargo in a very well tanked ship, so that their attack would fail. In one case i used what is known as a 'whore gun' to get back on the killmail for their ship.

hat's of to you

@hikingphotog

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

6 pirates dont like this video

I don't understand the kill rights. The 35M ISK you have set, it is something someone pays you to have the right to kill them, or it is a bounty you have put on them (so you pay someone 35M to kill them) ? Great videos by the way (along with the new one 2 days ago).

@hikingphotog

5 ай бұрын

The killrights is essentially the right to attempt to kill that pilot (because they illegally aggressed you in the first place). If you never set it as public, you will still have to activate the killright on that pilot in space in order to attempt to kill them. So when it is set to public with an ISK value, then other pilots can purchase that killright from you, the ISK goes to whomever got the killright in the first place (the original victim). Unfortunately, a lot of griefers have figured out how to game the system and will give themselves killrights from one of their alts to try to get people to buy them. Sry for the late reply, KZread has been behaving oddly for me with seeing comments and notifications.

@EskaronVokonen

5 ай бұрын

@@hikingphotog Thank you very much, very well explained.

Love it

@hikingphotog

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks! Its always fun to turn the tables on the gankers.

Gankers can't now do this in Jita 4-4 because of more launch bays rather than just 1 there is 4 now. Which makes it slightly easier.

@hikingphotog

3 жыл бұрын

They can, its just more isolated per hull type. And now inbound to the common gates lands directly out from undock so they can get 2 for 1 perch positions.

Dude I have nice skills on shield I'm going to do that I only need to put something valuable in my cargohold lol

@hikingphotog

Жыл бұрын

Go for it, just make sure you have 15-20k ehp at minimum, the more the better of course. At the very least now you know how to haul safely, even if you aren't trying to bait the gankers.

would this still work in 2022?

@hikingphotog

2 жыл бұрын

The game mechanics are all still the same, so no reason it wouldn't. Worst case you have a better way to haul your goods. Though the specific ship fits/specs may have changed slightly since the making of the video.

Thats great

@hikingphotog

7 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

holy shit this is the perfect anti-Jita-ganker strategy.

@hikingphotog

6 жыл бұрын

Its worked pretty well for us, we never even get scanned anymore :(

Can they see your cargohold?

@hikingphotog

Жыл бұрын

Yups, they use Cargo Scanners to see what you've got in your cargo and it tells them how much its worth. If it gets to a high enough value, they feel it is worth the chance that at least half of it will drop and pay for their own ship and time.

Seems like a huge investment for a small return?

@hikingphotog

7 жыл бұрын

2 years ago I did this same thing mostly targeting Vexor gankers on gates and collected 1.5b in kill rights in just a month. This time around baiting Nado's on station I'm probably approaching 1b. This is a lot simpler and lazier, esp when you already have a wide assortment of loot to bait with. Worst case you end up with a half decent tanked hauler to move your stuffs with. Yeah, if you don't have any modules to tank the ship with and nothing in reserve to use as bait it would be an investment, but I'm a 5 yr vet that has had the accounts on ice for 2 years until alpha clones came out.

So and when did he plan on making the Video "you got trolled?" because he is one of the gankers waiting for us to try this fitting out xD would be so Epic xD

@hikingphotog

5 жыл бұрын

Was planning on making a followup with baiting a guy that was multiboxing 15-20 nados to gank high value PVE ships or freighters, but the one time we got him to take the bait he bailed as soon as a single battleship uncloaked to catch a couple of the nados :( Now the dude has upwards of 40 accounts so its a bit much for a single ship to take when he starts bringing in several dozen T2 blaster talos.

isnt this concord baiting? i might be wrong though as i dont know exactly.

@hikingphotog

11 ай бұрын

No, Concord does kill their ship when they attempt the gank, but all this is doing is getting them to attempt the gank and therefore earning yourself a killright to either sell publicly or to use yourself later.

Change the name of the video to: How to Bait Idiots with an Alpha Clone in HighSec

6yrs ago. is this still a thing? and is it a decent money maker?

@hikingphotog

Жыл бұрын

You betchya! Just this week we got 6 nado's to esplode themselves!

@scipug3048

Жыл бұрын

@@hikingphotog alright. i usually am qn alpha and painfully got myself 2bil isk. i gues it's time for a bit of investment into my new money making method I mean this is a dream for every alpha. every alpha money making method is active. I have to go and do smth for hours. I cant do pi or anything like that. this is perfect. go out have a laugh at idiots killing themselves, go back in to station, sell kill rights, log off and do smth else.

@hikingphotog

Жыл бұрын

@@scipug3048 Granted, its a very slow way to earn ISKies, you'd earn more doing missions. Used to be able to do this with fake loot, that looked shiney but was actually worthless, because they had to use external tools to tell them the worth. Now its included in the scan so you actually have to have valuable loots. At the very least, this gives you a good start on how to tank a hauler so you don't have to worry about losing your well earned cargo to griefers.

@scipug3048

Жыл бұрын

@@hikingphotog its a passive income. alphas dont have that. so if its more then 0 i might try. also its funny. missions arent funny. and id have to play a hundred shitty missions that dont earn anything before i get the ones that do. i know stuff like scanning or FW can get you more, but sometimes i dont want to activelly do smth. there is no single valuable thing an alpha needs to transport lol. but just as a question. how much do i have to put in the cargo bay for them to take the bait? edit: the concept of selling killrights is a passive income at least. idk if there s a better way of getting killrights, but that s what i mean with passive. it can sell while i am not playing. market would do that too but market seems MUCH more active and MUCH less fun.

@hikingphotog

Жыл бұрын

@@scipug3048 I'd say they probably won't go for anything less than 750, you have to account for the value of their ship (125ish), then 50% loot drop at best. So it has to be enough that after those, they clear for their time and effort. The other downside to this though, is once a particular ganker falls for it, they will have to cash in the killright before you can earn another killright on them. But yeah, my brother and I chuckle every single time we get another one.

so firing on a alpha clone gets your ship destroyed?

@lynes1349

6 жыл бұрын

Firing on people in high security space gets your ship destroyed by Concord.

@hikingphotog

6 жыл бұрын

Sry for the delay. No, firing on any ship in Hi-Sec that has no aggression flags gets you killed by Concord. Thats what 'ganking' is...destroying ships carrying valuable cargo in hopes that the loot that drops is worth more than the ship you are loosing to make the attack. I was simply putting stupid values of cargo in my uber tanked ships in hopes they would attempt to destroy me. I was baiting them to shoot, so they would loose their ship for nothing, wasting their time and isk.

Awesome, I can only imagine the amount of hate you must get to your in-game mail after pulling this couple of times.

@hikingphotog

6 жыл бұрын

Actually not much. I get more 'polite' convo's about how it was a good bait or "nice try" if they scan me and decide to not shoot. Haven't gotten scanned in a LONG time though...i think i've been black listed as "don't even bother wasting your time"...oh well, if was fun while it lasted.

I don't get how this works. You only get kill rights if you die, correct? So why tank yourself like a boss when the goal is to die quickly to earn the kill right?

@hikingphotog

4 жыл бұрын

All they have to do is initiate an aggressive action, killrights are earned at the moment of attack, not after you are destroyed. If you notice in the video, the notification comes up saying killright earned right when they attack. Any time someone shoots you and it would flag them as criminal, you get killrights on that pilot. That's why its nice when 2-3 or more attackers try at the same time, because you get killrights for each of them. That's why you want to tank your ship, so that you don't lose anything and they do. And then you can publicly sell those rights for a cheap enough amount that someone feels its worth buying, or that the ganker feels justifies cashing in themselves just to get it out of the way so they don't have to deal with someone randomly interrupting them right before a big hit.

@brightvalley

4 жыл бұрын

That would certainly make all the difference.

Gud Sir thx so mutch!!

@hikingphotog

3 жыл бұрын

Every time I log in I still undock from 4-4 and hope there is a nado on station... then I usually get sad when there's none or I don't get scanned.

Have I understood correctly that you were making a living out of selling the kill rights? Peeps were buying them for 30-35mil?

@hikingphotog

3 жыл бұрын

Not really a living, maybe earned a total of 10 billion from the various schemes of baiting gankers and then selling the killrights. But yeah, if the killrights were cheap enough (30-35m for Tornados), most of the time the ganker would just purchase the killright with an alt and get it out of the way so they could continue ganking. Which made it even better that I baited them into getting their ship blown up, and then later they would pay me so they could blow up their ship again.

BALLS OF STONE

I'll sponsor you a headset if you keep making vids

@hikingphotog

5 жыл бұрын

I have since acquired a much nicer microphone for use on voiceovers for my paintball channel. Thanks for the offer though!

Yeah, but, what if I just want to haul my stuff safely? ;P

@gfox9295

7 жыл бұрын

if you actually want to haul stuff safely, you should be using instadock and instaundock bookmarks. so you can instawarp when you undock from trade hubs and instadock when you land on them.

@hikingphotog

7 жыл бұрын

Insta bookmarks won't help you through the gates but they do help on station. Actually traveling with cargo it is recommended to max tank a hauler or transport and/or use a friendly web for insta warp on gates as well.

@gfox9295

7 жыл бұрын

Well sure. I specified what to do around stations like Jita 4-4 because that's what your video featured footage of. ;) As for gates, tank is great, but align time reduction is greater... reduce your align time, do not sacrifice it (and tank) for mere cargo expansion. And yeah, webs are great, but I've never seen someone use one for anything less than a freighter or bowhead. There's also the MWD single cycle trick for Orcas and t2 transports. might work with ABs for some ships.

Brilliant.

@hikingphotog

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks! Shame I didn't properly document all my previous shenanigans which put this to shame. This is just flying smart.

Man plex for 1b those were the days.

@hikingphotog

Жыл бұрын

I know right? One of the many things I wished I had invested in for long term wealth growth.

EvE online is a full time job.

1:49 that is an Avengers-level threat

@hikingphotog

3 жыл бұрын

Best part is nothing ever came of it, no war dec ever came through. Ganker tears best tears.

@solitude9875

3 жыл бұрын

@@hikingphotog lol, is it cos u in NPC corp?

@hikingphotog

3 жыл бұрын

@@solitude9875 Actually my own alliance with most of my characters and a few friends that wanted to join. From back in the days when dec'ing an alliance was significantly more expensive than dec'ing corps.

you baiting with plexes?

@hikingphotog

5 жыл бұрын

You know it!

@peter486

5 жыл бұрын

@@hikingphotog daredevil you :)

Cool.

@hikingphotog

4 жыл бұрын

Appreciate the view! Hopefully you got yourself setup with a tanky hauler and can use this method to not get ganked.

humhum a will try it ! but I need to go to Jita xD Dodixie is much safer ahahah

@hikingphotog

Ай бұрын

A properly tanked hauler makes everything much safer.

why needs to be alpha clone any not omega?

@hikingphotog

4 жыл бұрын

Just showing that you don't need an Omega account to bait gankers and/or have a tanky hauler for that wholesome loot you might want to haul to the trade hubs. My accounts were Alpha at the time of making the video.

That is so Awesome ever! Anti-ganker hunter!

awesome vid, that mic quality tho D:

@hikingphotog

6 жыл бұрын

Well, that $5 mic worked well enough for TS and other stuff through many years of playing...this was the first video i ever spoke over so didn't have anything better. It functioned. (i have a new mic now since i've started doing commentary for my paintball channel)

@bebop417

6 жыл бұрын

fair enough. paintball channel? :O link?

@hikingphotog

6 жыл бұрын

kzread.info

Wow