Hi, I'm Jenielle. One of the students in the video and I'm so thankful for this session. After processing the session a day after, the process of thinking has become much more clear. These were my key takeaways 1. Pre-Read and encode before class in order to make information relevant and act as an anchor point 2. Guess the relationships between the key words/concepts like a hypothesis and that it's okay to get the hypothesis wrong 3. Chunk the information within the key words/concepts 4. The chunking eventually leads to understanding and not the other way around 5. Uncertainty is okay and leads to troubleshooting what you don't know The puzzle piece analogy really stuck with me and I was able to use it and the hypothesis thinking for my lectures today and it was very successful and engaging to sit in class! I also really loved how the session ended off on the value of learning for kids. Thank you Justin Sung!

@slasher42vs

10 ай бұрын

Thank you Jenielle for having the courage to participate this live, and for this comment summarizing everything!

@MohamedAnasMalek

10 ай бұрын

@jenixelle8298 hey its great to hear that you've extracted beneficial knowledge from your discussion with justin but i noticed that your knowledge when it comes to pre-study is incomplete. from my knowledge pre-reading and pre-study is extremely different, what justin means by pre-study is priming your brain so that when you do encode the information in the main L.E. your are able to extract more knowledge as well as gain a better overall understanding of how the information relates with each other leading to a better understanding of how the groups relates to the bigger picture. now you must be wondering what priming is, in the most simplified form i can explain it, priming involves reorganising the information. so an analogy i can give is that of a library, if all the books(books being relevant information) were to be stacked in one big pile than encoding the important information in the main L.E would be very difficult as theres no structure which means that when trying to retrieve the necessary information for an exam you would be unable or it would be much more difficult to do so but instead if we were to create an organised structured bookshelf and than head into our main L.E. we would be able to place the books into the bookshelves in turn encoding the information at a faster rate as well as retrieving the necessary information easily for when we do our exams.

@jenixelle8298

10 ай бұрын

@@MohamedAnasMalek thank you so much for the reply. I don’t think I have much to say other than I have so much more to learn. Thanks again.

@SR-lh4rm

10 ай бұрын

Thanks for talking about your studying issues. I really related to the specific problems you mentioned.

@Swag-pe1kt

9 ай бұрын

Hello Jenielle, I hope this message finds you well amidst life's hustle ! I was wondering if you are still using Anki and could you tell me about how did you change your method using Anki ?

16:20 Learning system 1) pre-study/priming(reduce the amount u forget at the first place) -- if u skip , it’s very disadvantageous --pre study is better than catching up, -short term loss -u should never skip priming! it will reduce your overwhelm , all the other retrievals will dpend on your priming 2)main learning event(lectures,or first dedicated long study) 3) retrieval practice (multiple times) 20:25 1) awareness 20:35 2) When grouping those key terms- ask yourself, why grouping certain term is valuable and meaningul, know why u group this always come back to ur existing - see if the picture is getting clear, t ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤ Higher order learning - give meaning to new info, thru relating it to other new info -in what way does this relate to other info -create analogies🎉🎉🎉 - -whats the relevant to the big pic -12:20 if u start get down RIGHT to detailss , it’ll be rlly hard! think like learning as jigsaw puzzle 15:36 the difference is you dont know what it’s look like but youre gonna use the same process 19:05 the most important thing- sift thru to try to see the big picture - hypothesis big picture 19:52the reason why student struggle: try to memorise the pieces instead of immediately creeate groups first step: be aware to not do this again layering 1)forming your initial group- has to be very explicit-(easy first step) -know what this group represent -know why group it this way -dont get yourself left with “isolated group” -you must not make it just bcs it’s in the same heading 2)continue to refine each group by comparing to big picture (a bit hard but will be easier afterwards bcs you’ll just be filling the gaps) - tryna bring it tgt -does this 2 group make sense - does the big picture clearer now 25:02 take time effort, resources, to fogure out whether this group make sense or not (22:12)--> major big groups (this will be VERY EFFECTIVE) form sub group within big pic!😊 untul u have nothing to group anymore and they will be a web! 26:55 branching out 27:15 u can only consume info only and only to see whether the group and flow make sense (to solve puzzle and form the picture) you’ll start losing if you consume just for the sake of consuming 29:00 understanding and good memory are side effect of formung good orzational structure; they are not main outcome 29:44 try to memorise(by understanding and remember)is less effective than creating structure and meaning at a big picture level (memory and understanding come from structuring)!!❤❤ 31:00 dont skip when you feel confused/uncertain or insecure- it’s a good thing --> mental engagement dont avoid this. solve first this in advance💗💗 🎉uncertainty - be clear abt what we dont know 🎉systematicallt address what u dont know to find the meaning at 35:50 if youre not aware where your uncertainty- is a lot worse 42:59 inconsistency root cause? learning method problem

@user-ez7pq9eu8e

7 ай бұрын

49:00 🕰️ -write specific schedule -time tracking, variation 53:57 mind map from memory anything u forget- take separate piece - note down whats weak, then sleep- now u know where to start-target to cover those weakeness- so this set up a habit of reveiwing 55:35 method of learning must be helping u to build learning so do layering

@user-ez7pq9eu8e

7 ай бұрын

56:15 layer your learning 🎉try to study ahead!! 🎉 not as deep/detailed but broader 🎉bcs u wana build yr knowledge as layers rather than in columns 🎉dont learn deep and detailed , step by step by step, BUT you wanna learn very shallow and wide and building lill bit more detail on that - so it will be easierr- 🎉each layer rely on you having knowledge on previous layer by understanding basic concept 🎉learn a bit different from what you’ve been taughy

@user-ez7pq9eu8e

7 ай бұрын

58:00 schedule unpredictabilitu

@user-ez7pq9eu8e

7 ай бұрын

1:03:43 finish your mind map - primary vehicle

@user-ez7pq9eu8e

7 ай бұрын

1:06:00 the mindset , attribute and the person youre building is what matter , not the outcome focus to build “driven to succeed than fearful of failure” help them see the value in mistake they’re learning and the appreciate the process🎉 be someone who figure things out and not afriad of making mistakes

Notes: 1] Have a written schedule, include unpredictability 2] End of day, 30 mins, write down everything you learned. Separate paper, write down what you’re unclear on. That will be your areas of focus next time 3] Learn in layers, not going too deep, and try to pace faster than the class schedule

- Identify the root causes of your struggles - don't just treat the surface-level symptoms. Ask questions to understand why you are facing certain problems. - Adopt a growth mindset. View challenges and mistakes as opportunities to learn and improve. Avoid associating your self-worth with outcomes. - Approach learning as a process of problem-solving and creating meaning, not just memorizing. Use methods like mind maps, analogies, and connecting concepts to build an understanding of the big picture. - Be aware of your learning habits. Notice if you get sucked into memorizing details vs making connections. Set timers to check if you are focused on understanding or just covering material. - Consistency and scheduling are key for time management. Track how long tasks take you. Schedule focused time as well as buffers for unpredictability. Prioritize peak concentration tasks. - Learn in layers - study broadly first before getting into specifics. Reviewing will happen naturally as you build on previous knowledge layers. - For kids, emphasize the process of learning over outcomes. Praise effort and a growth mindset, not achievement. Help them value mistakes as learning opportunities.

@ReganOrtega

5 ай бұрын

so W for this, thanks man

I loved the concept, what about trying to make a live coaching but while the student is learning smthg

@finnthefrog4354

10 ай бұрын

i dont think that would come across super well because learning is more of an internal process, maybe if it was something js had knowledge of

@Globiworld2000

9 ай бұрын

I think what Abdullah meant is that he Pick something to learn he reads , draw maps and talking - how you forming hypothesis. So for example you learn about musclehyperthropy (grow) due to mechanical tension. So you draw some person lifting weight and think (and say aloud) every time you lift weight you using up muscle and wearing it out - like for socks -(the more you walk in them the more holes you got). But when holes appears - your grandma stitch them with new thread- and makes you socks are stronger than even brand new as stitch is thick and new. This is how it would look like - it might not be perfect and understandable for everyone but works for me- but you can have better and easer analogy- and that why this method is very personal.

That last message for parents was so damn valuable!

@PeterIntrovert

10 ай бұрын

The part with developing growth mindset - yes. The part with not interfering in learning process - no. That one was actually bad advice.

@JustinSung

10 ай бұрын

@@PeterIntrovert Did I say not to interfere with the learning process? I rewatched the section and I don't think there's any bad advice?

@PeterIntrovert

10 ай бұрын

​@@JustinSung​ yes, 1:08:23 "Stop focusing with help them with their studying" The question was, how to help children study. You replied that childeren don't understand anything than acceptance and outcomes and discussion around studying are too hard for them therefore we shouldn't concentrate on their study. Read my other comment for more info and respond there if you like.

@lilium_lancifolium

10 ай бұрын

@@PeterIntrovert can you genuinely explain to me what you mean by this because this has nothing to do with what he said.

@PeterIntrovert

10 ай бұрын

@@lilium_lancifolium go to my other comment in comments section and be explicit of what you don't understand. He talked mostly about growth mindset and that's ok, but he also mention that children didn't understand things he is teaching about studying therefore we shouldn't focus on that. And I said that's a mistake. It's about what he said and what he didn't said. Maybe going second time he take into account my suggestion and phrase things in different way. I am open to discussion but please buddies don't throw on me your biases. I commented on what he actually said and not what you think he meant. If you have different opinion that's ok, but to debate it you need to have some actuall arguments. It's ok for Justin to make mistake, maybe he was unaware on the topic of learning children metacotnitive strategies. But to deny it put you and him in bad light. It's better if people take resposibility for their words. I would not respond to comments that wont have any sense again. Cheers. ✌

The jigsaw puzzle analogy, while so simple, was actually mindblowingly helpful

Please conduct more such sessions. A very specific problem-oriented session to which many people relates and can solve at their personal level. Had good learning. ✌🏻

Now things are clearer, thanks so much man! As a pilot, the checklist approach was exactly what I was looking for to get going and your jigsaw puzzle analogy is perfect! And also the point about uncertainty during the process really struck a chord with me, as that is a very uncomfortable feeling for me as well and I also like your student would like to have certainty right away. Any chance you have a video up with an example how you do this? That would be the last missing piece of the puzzle for me. But thank you for this! Great vid.

When you see real cases and solutions, everything becomes clear. It was a great mindset shift, thank you so much!

This, by far, is the best video you have done. Well done. That last part with parents and children hits hard to Asian and African families.

Love the question and response at the end about how best to be a parent that doesn't focus on achievements!

This is one of the best videos you have put out. Thank you fr

Appreciate your time and effort for sharing this together for us

I’ve been watching his videos for nursing and at 1st it was a struggle to get it, it made sense logically BUT this video with the 1st person is where I am too!! I’m still writing my notes linearly and its hard to break

Of all your (very useful) videos, I found this one especially beneficial. Thank you!

thank you dr justin for the effort you put in this vid to help us.

The advice he gave for treating children makes a lot of sense. I should be getting my little cousin (5yo) excited to try stuff, success for failure should not matter, and encourage them to try again with little adjustments. The whole idea is to separate mistakes from failure by the way you react with them.

I love the message for the parents, although I don´t have any kids, as a daugther i know how it feels to be high- achiver kid, and I´m still struggling with that in college. Thankfully I love being introspective on my self and always aiming to be a better person every day and I´ve learn thar challenge and difficulties are the gratest opportunities we have to learn and grow as humans, thats why I love so much your content and channel, because you are so aligned with my principles and I learn so much with you, so so thankful for your work, the world needs more Justins Sungs haha, you are a real role model 💟💟💟

One of the best videos because it cleared some doubts that I had when implementing the strategies for higher order learning!!!!

Good one, really appreciate J and the participants for discussion

20:31 How to group what you learn learn with other information you know 26:04 Them how you would mindmap it

This video is so helpful! Thank you so much Dr Justin!

very beautiful session. A worth watch. Especially the beginning.

Essentially, the mind will seek out a pattern or concept as you experiment with congruent groups. Even if you end up regrouping or reconnecting key concepts, you will get closer to a H.O.L. comprehension. The congruency is a back and forth ping-pong feedback between the material and H.O.L. analogies. If you start by relating the material from worldview concepts, then you can zoom in to fill out those mental maps once it becomes clearer.

This video was really helpfull for me. Looking forward to videos like this. So many thanks for shareing this video ❤❤ It will so much helpful if you share this kind of video

Loved your answer about children where we are tempted to project ourselves onto them. For children what i focused on as a parent is success at playing. Playing with yourself and with others. So I would always try to encourage my son and daughter to find ways to share, communicate, and resolve issues that arise with others or with their wants and desires that pop up where they just want a certain thing or want their way. The success at play is what will build a confidence and approach to problems and finding solutions and ultimately navigating life by managing yourself and with others in various settings.

That's great, please do more!

Justin. This is something that would really help me and probably a lot of people. If you would create a task, which everyone can try, trough a link in the description. In which you present information about a subject in a couple pages (how many you think necessary). Where you challenge the person to create this hypothesis of the big picture in a mindmap and then when they are done, they can see your solution. Which would be the most effective or best or correct way they should've made the hypothesis for that set of pages. I think that would give people a concrete idea of what they should be looking for when trying to create a hypothethical group when studying. And also helping them to see what they thought wrongly or correctly. And even those who really dont get it at all. Personally, that would definitely help me.

loved this session this was very helpful thank you

Hey Justin as you said that exam is not the place where you start to learn, but most of the time it happens that analogy has made and presented in form of question is mind blowing in exam where when I personally can't form and connect in very precise way. Than how to cultivate and look for it while in the process of higher learning not directly in exam or even from previous year question paper.

I want more!! Thanks!

Thank you again, your teaching is awesome!

please do more of these

please do more such session it's really helpful

Thank you both for sharing

We know our jiggsaw puzzles! Thank you, great content as always.

This video was really helpful. A doubt i have is what kind of thought should i think about while creating relationship between the topic that would help me create relevance and help to think in higher-order

Thank you, Justin!

Loved this approach, Justin! Thank you so much and please keep uploading these videos

First!!!! And we really need more of these🌠

this was good one and very informative , thanks for that

it's a cool format! Listen, maybe u can demonstrate learning system and techniques an your example, when u trying learn something new (physics, history, literature, philosophy) how it make student in university? You simulate and acting like a student learn new. It is illustration and fiction example can help better understand your approach. Hope you will read that and give feedback. Have a good day and good mood. You are good man

Awesome! Well done to Sonia and Janielle and Justin loved how you listen and focus to understand. That’s the reason alone I’m going to get into your course soon as I’m able to. Keep making these videos 👍 Also @justin can you explain more about how to bring up children as you touched upon and what age to transition to where grades/marks matter? Thank you

Layer our learning is a good idea..

You are too awesome, coach

Thankyou justin soon i will join your class

It would be nice if you could make a q/a video if its feasible .

This was an excellent one

Thank you

Thanks for video , its great

Thanks

Amaing video! 💙

Hi J. Sung, i personally enjoy a lot the part of learning, while the retrieval part not that much... cause i feel it's useless in practical terms, i would like more if the retrieval was useful to learn something new... because there are a lot of things to learn. Do you have any perspective on this? (Discovering you helped me confirm things i new, and discover new thought processes, thank you for your impact)

@hernanmanfredi901

10 ай бұрын

Maybe i answered myself, learning a new concept by relating it to the old concepts, is already retrieval of the old concepts.

Hello Justin!

33:40 Uncertainty to get to certainty which is meaningful

Hi @justinsung. Do you have any content directed at developers going down the self-taught route?

The jigsaw puzzle analogy was such a lightbulb moment! LOVED IT! Question: If the method of higher order learning is to not be bogged down by the details but instead work on refining one's big-picture resolution, then how would you apply that to subjects that seemingly put a lot of emphasis in learning the minor details such as calculus? Or perhaps you can still do that with mathematics? Most math books I've encountered focus on the details, and seldom does a big-picture scoping of the lessons. What tips would help with this? Thank you for the super helpful videos, btw!!! Been trying to apply your lessons. Still struggling though, but better to have direction than none at all :))

@lolabint3411

10 ай бұрын

Wouldnt the big picture be the math concepts? Understanding the foundations helps ofc to understand the more complex questions.

@somethingsomething2825

10 ай бұрын

nice dude

@p.hhenry4454

10 ай бұрын

Try to relate the calculus applications to real life scenarios. I do remember him recommanding to learn the approach of calculus before going on the details kzread.infoU7LRghZCKDg

@chadester001

10 ай бұрын

​@@lolabint3411jigsaw is stragic not like maths concepts which are tactical

@ayanbhattacharjee1076

10 ай бұрын

​@@chadester001these are same terms 😂

I'm also preparing for csir net exam.

Excellent video! What software / tablet do you use to create your mind maps?

@suprememystic

10 ай бұрын

I think he uses iPad and draw mindmaps in concept

4am to 8am. I read three books at same time, but one chapter from each book. 8-4 pm I work for aluminum factory. I then spend time with family and friends I read on average three to four books a month. I been doing this since 1995. I have about 1500 books which I take notes inside the books. Should I throw them out or keep them 😅

@MohamedAnasMalek

10 ай бұрын

throw em u probably dont remember any of em

I realized that I have to choose the most important concepts and form groups, relating them. But how should I go about the details? Same process? So I note down all the details of a concept and form groups based on their importance/function?

@MohamedAnasMalek

10 ай бұрын

ye what u do for the main concepts u also do it for the smaller details

In a mind map, is it necessary to connect branches together as Tony Buzan's mind maps do? Are keywords placed on branches rather than at the end of branches and spaced apart like the mind maps you typically draw? Does the placement of keywords on branches versus at the end of branches and the spacing between branches affect anything?

@colonelehrhardtii6907

9 ай бұрын

Doesn't matter the form, as long as you understand yourself and follow principles

What's the name of the software you're using to write the notes and groups? Thanks.

How to form groups and relations

How do you guys find the relevant info

What does pre studying look like?

Anyone can add some examples of grouping ? It is about categories .. not sure I understand. Thank you

How can I book an one on one session like this with you?

NOOOO, I MISSED THE LIVE :((((

The prestudy/ priming_where from are we suposed to collect the keywords( for the skeleton or the big picture).should we read whole topic thoroughly and then do that or read the subtopics only ,first .

@HerdamanthusLast

3 ай бұрын

Also,The subtopics in my book are not really long and quite unrelated to the paragraph .

18:24

10:51 Mental Strategies

How can we be a guest?

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How to learn anatomy???????????

How can we join these types of zoom like for queries and discussions? Are these paid?

@slasher42vs

10 ай бұрын

he posted a Google forms in the iCanStudy discord server just for people who aren't members of his course

@so-nali

10 ай бұрын

@@slasher42vs thanks! 🌻

10:09 Triggering Higher Order Learning

I also struggle with mind maps

Theses lives really plug the hole in the bucket

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How I can do meet for free I am struggling

The Indian ladies issue was not time. It was priority. And perhaps even her limiting beliefs where clashing.. she's clearly trying to wear to many hats. She can't do it all.. there was also no talk about how much she enjoys her study and how effective her study was.. which would have revealed more.

i just wanna know how many times justin has said anki throughout his life

If i only had the money to open with you a call man i have some questions i'm a big fan

How the hell do i group this according to this vid Rhodo phyceae are a type of red alage bcs of the dominant red pigment R phycoerytrhin in their body Majority of them are marine with greater concerntrations found in the warmer areas.they occur in both well lighted regions close to the surface pf water and also at great depths in oceans where relatively little light generates The red thalli of most of the red algae are multicellular . Some of them have complex body organisation the food is stored as floridean starch which is very simillar to amylopectin and glycogen in structure The red algae usually reproduce vegetatively by fragmentsion . They reproduce asexually by non motile spores and sexually by non motilr gametes sexual reproduction is oogamous snd accompanied by complex post fertilisation developments the comon members are porphyre polysiphonia gracilaria gelidium

@lm2668

10 ай бұрын

You need to relate this to other topics: what’s different from the green and blue ones? Does the depth influence the color(as you go in the depth red light cannot pass) of this and others? Do all algae have the same storage system and can you crrrate a group of living beings with non traditional ones?

@vmmm5953

9 ай бұрын

Remember me of poriferans. (Water sexual, fragmentation assexual) Its possible to remeber of minecraft clay which is tainted by some dye to be colored. NEETS also tries to get off light and in deep dark, and as humans, they like warm places.

Although growth mindset is a big thing that need to be cultivated in children the advice to not interfere in child's learning process is a poor one I think. I read right now a book "How to Create Autonomous Learners" which presents research about immense benefits from learning cognitve strategies (in reading comprehension context) for them. I think the difference is in transfer of responsibility that looks a little different in teaching kids and adults. Steps are probably similar and only more gradual and slower for children. This point is what lacked in my education when I was young. No one introduced me to metacognitive process of learning and I think it could help me immensly. It could clear my confusion about how to learn. Thefore if parents read my comment then please model way of metacognitive thinking for your children and learn yourself how to be explicit about those metacognitive strategies. Remember that it's gradual process and need many attempts and repetitions and guidance.

@lolabint3411

10 ай бұрын

I don't think he meant it that way. I mean, he teaches how to study so you can guide ofc but you don't push for one way to do things bc there are likely 1000s of ways to achieve the same results. So you teach children higher learning and metacognition etc, but you allow for them to form their own processes that work best for them to achieve the end result.

@PeterIntrovert

10 ай бұрын

​​​​@@lolabint3411 The question was, how to help childred study. He replied that childeren don't understand anything than acceptance and outcome and discussion around studying are too hard for them therefore we shouldn't concentrate on their study. I assumed that what he meant was what he said. Instead the good answer was we can help children study by making explicit instruction and model for them metacognitive strategies. Some children intuitively will shape own process of learning. But other just won't, they will be left without skills. That's what research shows. On other hand teaching cognitive strategies increase their confidence and motivation for learning.

@PeterIntrovert

10 ай бұрын

If I was nitpicking I would also say that even if growth mindset need to be emphasised and cultivated then winning and losing have tremendous impact on psychology. Therefore it's not the thing that winning or losing doesn't matter at all (in the process). When we teach a child to play chess we need to ensure that he will play with opponets of similar level. He/she have to have a chance to win. Constant losing is discouraging and detrimental to the psychology of the child. We can't overcome this with mindset alone. We need to ensure that kid is well equipped to face the challenge. Sense of efficacy is very important in learning and in life.

hmm my comment has been removed, from earlier, not sure what is going on but will be monitoring

@MohamedAnasMalek

10 ай бұрын

what was ur comment?

1. Jigsaw puzzle 2. Uncertainty 3. Forming groups

হ্যালো হ্যালো মিস্টার

📚 Pre-study is crucial for effective learning and reducing overwhelm by priming the brain to receive knowledge. 🧠 Higher-order learning involves creating meaningful connections between pieces of information through techniques like analogies, relevance assessment, and comparing new information with existing knowledge. 🧩 Learning is compared to solving a jigsaw puzzle, starting with understanding the big picture (picture on the box), sorting pieces based on similarities, and gradually building connections.

@MohamedAnasMalek

10 ай бұрын

learning is compared to solving a jigsaw puzzle that doesnt have the picture on a box. but the process of solving it is the exact same its just that now we have to make a hypothesis on the bigger picture which can be done by grouping information and than comparing that to the groups we have already made and repeat.

Memorizing puzzle pieces, lmao

7/11 She just said 7/11 Is that a joke or Woooooot?

Also. This whole video. People are not trying to solve this for themselves. You leading them the while way. It's not valid to them. They need to be telling you what's important and relevant to them and you can assist them to connect their dots..

hi that's me the child that is scared of failure :(

Thank you

Thank you