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Much admiration to the Finnish tenacity , So much achieved with so little speaks of their pilots and ground crews determination .

@ObsidianFrog

2 ай бұрын

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@kimmoj2570

2 ай бұрын

During Winter War, when soviets had only Polikarkov I-16 and I-15bis fighters, fighter squadron 24 could fight with D21. Immediately after war war D21 was replaced by Brewster Buffalo, which was 10 times better fighter (we had the light first model, not ruined by weight). Combats with I-16, which had been tough in 1939-40, turned to wholesale slaughter of Soviet fighters in 1941.

@user-fe5bs1up4y

2 ай бұрын

@@kimmoj2570 Общепринятая ошибка, считать что в Зимнию войну D21 показали себя хорошо, наоборот они показали себя плохо. У них была низкая скорость и они не превосходили по ней советские бомбардировщики ДБ и СБ. Поэтому финские D21, почти всегда опаздывали перехватить советские бомбардировщики. Единственная заслуга D21 в том, что они смогли продержаться 100 дней и не были сбиты все.

@kirby1225

2 ай бұрын

@@user-fe5bs1up4y Russo cope

@gam3pl4y3r1

2 ай бұрын

@@user-fe5bs1up4y russbot detected

Love a good Fokker.

@Sherwoody

3 ай бұрын

Those Fokkers were tough.

@Dingus_Ubernova

2 ай бұрын

Enough Fokking around

What a nice and wholesome ending, seeing one of these boxy birds in flight! This thoroughly researched and meticulously edited video has made me appreciate the D.XXI even more.

Perfect Finnish pronunciation! Ilmavoimat Käkisalmi Very good video, thanks!

@taahaseois.8898

2 ай бұрын

Wouldn't say perfect but still reasonably good.

@aviationdeepdive

2 ай бұрын

Thanks, I try!

The D-XXI story is kind of like that thing I tell my wife. It's not what you've got, but how you use it.

@vangestelwijnen

2 ай бұрын

🤣🤣🤣

Lt Bram van der Stok later flew Spitfires, became an ace and was one of only three that succesfully escaped fm the Stalag Luft camp as depicted in the movie The Great Escape although for commercial reasons the film unfortunately didnt portay him as dutch. He got after his escape via Spain back in England and became still later the CO of a Spit Squadron until the end of the war.

The nose art of the white mice (with red eyes) harks back to an old exhortation of the day: "Zet hem op! Witte muizen met rooie oogies!" "Go get 'em! Little white mice with little red eyes!" It's a dutch version of "Geronimo!" "Tally Ho" "Here goes nothing!" That sort of stuff. It has disappeared from language with those below age 50 or 60, I reckon.

@ronaldderonde

2 ай бұрын

Thanks for that info.👌

@heyst56

2 ай бұрын

Doet mij aan dorus denken .....witte muisies met rooie oogies 😅

@rubenproost2552

2 ай бұрын

Helaas werden het gestampte muisjes.

33:38 Jorma Sarvanto did world record by D21. He shot down six soviet bomber in four minute.

@aviationdeepdive

3 ай бұрын

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@hullutsuhna

3 ай бұрын

and he was the first ace-in-a-day of WWII, the list of aces-in-a-day is interesting reading, the first eight (crews) of WWII were Finnish, German, British (Boulton-Paul Defiant so two-seater & two guys credited for the achievement), German, French, Polish, British and Kiwi.

@ryssa2409

2 ай бұрын

ghost of kyiv tier bullshit

@hullutsuhna

2 ай бұрын

@@ryssa2409 cope harder Vladimir

@ryssa2409

2 ай бұрын

@@hullutsuhna pekka mongols are the ones coping at losing 2 wars and finlandization

Another fantastic video. Great detail.

@aviationdeepdive

3 ай бұрын

Thanks mate, check your Discord :)

I have read that the Finnish air force pilots today still "score" much higher one would think. The motto of the Finnish air force is Qualitas Potentia Nostra (Quality is our Strength) hinting at we will likely be outnumbered so we just have to be better.

@Hartley_Hare

2 ай бұрын

That's a really cool fact!

Great stuff. Please note though that the trio of "D-21's" starting at 19:47 are in fact modified AT-16 Harvards. Several former Dutch Air Force Harvards were modified as look-a-like D-21's , FW.190's and P-47's for filming duties, "A Bridge Too Far" being the best known movie example.

@PSPaaskynen

3 ай бұрын

That clip could be from the film Soldier of Orange, 1977.

@peabase

3 ай бұрын

@@PSPaaskynen Well spotted. It would make zero sense to have the D.XXI feature in A Bridge Too Far.

Great video! A small mistake with the photos, though. At 33:31 the person in the photo is not Eino Luukkanen, but Ilmari Juutilainen.

Flightmaster Ilmari Juutilainen is the highest scoring non German ace of the WW II with 94 victories, Hans "Hasse" Wind didnt do bad either with 75. His brother is equally legendary soldier, company commander, ex Legionare, "Terror of Morocco", Aarne Juutilainen.

Wish we lived in a world where finnish kept swastika because they had it first. We shouldnt let ideas scare us. We should acknowledge and EDUCATE

@janbo8331

2 ай бұрын

We weren't the first ones, though. The word swastika comes from sanskrit and the symbol has been in use for at least 12000 years. I do agree that one failed Austrian painter shouldn't be able to wipe out such long history. At least they still use it in Asia.

@ramieskola7845

2 ай бұрын

​@@janbo8331 Failed painter? Have you seen any of his works? Painting is a great hobby but not really a livelihood for an adult man anyway.

@mustanaamiotto3812

2 ай бұрын

@@janbo8331 Swastika is such simple symbol, that basically all cultures have had it.

A nimble little Fokker. It reminded me of a P-36.

We have a flying D21 again. At Hoogeveen Airport 🇳🇱

Somehow I love that aircraft. The spats really touch me too. Thank you for this content... It's awesome! THANK YOU!

Appreciate your narrative history of this lessor known military aircraft.

Thank you for telling this story. It is an enjoyable learning experience for me, having had very little knowledge on the Winter War and the D-21 until your video.

Thank you FaF Veterans

No Finn would want a modern, fast, well-armed, easy to fly craft. It would offer little challenge to our fatalistic resolve, and would interfere with our dour outlook. God forbid, a good fighter plane would certainly risk inflicting a smile on even the most staunch of Finnish pilots.

It was not a very good fighter, but we did not have much else back then. It was inbetweener, that is true. We modified one for rectractable landing gear too. Horrible stall charesteristics, underpowered. It is amazingly big fighter, when you stand next to it. Brewster Buffalo was our success story. Hawker Hurricane was sort of inbetweener too design-wise. Very thick wing, that killed it's high speed performance. Brewster was amazingly good when we made it as light as technically possible. Mörkö-Morane was great, but too late.

A good overview! While modest in performance, it is a very attractive little ship! It's really great to see one flying.

@aviationdeepdive

3 ай бұрын

It certainly is - thanks for watching!

Very interesting video, thanks.

Finland then sounds like Ukraine now. 🇺🇦💗

Russia: give Finland its territory back too!

Oh I remember playing “IL-2 1946” using this plane.

...a newly- built one is now flying from Hoogeveen...😀

Great! Thanks!

I would say that this aircraft resembles the Curtiss P-36 Hawk more than it does the Hawker Hurricane.

@patrickporter1864

2 ай бұрын

With a top speed of 285 mph and it's radial engine the Curtis's p36 is it cousin. The spitfire was a few years later.

That was great info thank

@aviationdeepdive

3 ай бұрын

Glad it was helpful!

I'll never forget trying to fly Finnish D.XX1s in the old IL2 sim game, (the original iteration of the game in the early 2000s). When tasked with escorting Finnish Blenheim Mk.1 bombers, they left us behind and so we were not there when the bombers got attacked by Soviet fighters. The Blenheims got slaughtered with us escorts being many miles behind. This was accurate because IL2 sim game had very accurate aircraft performance. So it's likely that the Finns did not use it to escort their Blenheims in the Winter war or the Continuation war in real life. And if you know anything about Bristol Blenheims, you know they were very slow bombers! So this shows you how slow the D.XXI was. Very slooooowwww. I remember purposely switching to Curtis P-36 aircraft because the Fokkers were so slow.

In the Dutch Nationaal Militair Museum near Soesterberg a couple of years ago, I really loved to see the Fokker D.XXI. I think the yellow or beige camouflage colour was too brown. At least the restored flying D.XXI at the end of the video shows the correct more white yellow hue.

Jachtvliegafdeling translates roughly to fighter squadron, literally to hunting flight unit. Good video, despite the horrendous pronunciation of the Dutch names (I know, Dutch isn't an easy language for native English speakers).

For the movie 'Soldaat van Oranje' (Soldier of Orange - Royal Dutch color) three Harvards where 'converted' into D-21 (around 21 min in the video) in 1977...Good video and research....

Mörkö Moranen, my beloved in War Thunder

The fokker had one major advantage to finland it could go down at a really steep angle and pull up making it seem like it fell down to escape or trick the enemy

The footage at 19:47 is not pre-war/wartime footage, and it does not show Fokker D21's. It's pretty clear that modern camera's were used and that the marching soldiers are in fact re-enactors. The aircraft are heavily modified AT6 Harvards. You can recognise the very distinct shape of the AT6's vertical tailpane, and you can see the wings are quite differently shaped (the AT6 has a horizontal section in the wing where the landing gear is located, the D21 just has two straight wings). The wheelwells and front windshield are also a dead giveaway. Edit: I see several others have pointed this out as well.

Jachtvliegtuigafdeling litteral translation is HuntAirplanedepartment. So a Fighter Group.

If they made the landing gear retractable it would improved the performance of the plane in a big way......

Friendship, dash-8, these were names familiar, across the wide brown land, for many years.

Also in Denmark we used this Fokker, with added Madsen machineguns below its wings. And some planes shown may have Danish markings?

Great, you should make a video on interwar baltic states' airforce

There was also another (second) try with retractable landing gear with wasp-fokker, that gained more speed gain.

It's nice to see an Anglophone who makes an effort to pronounce foreign words properly

@rubenproost2552

2 ай бұрын

He tried but did not research the actual pronunciation.

The G1 was a great airplane that never got the chance to shine...............

The 20mm in Finnish Fokker was Oerlikon FF , not Madsen. Mounted on FR-76, it flew combat missions until Jan 1940 claiming 3 victories.

@aviationdeepdive

3 ай бұрын

Nobody said the Finnish Fokkers used 23mm cannons, the Danish tried them out but they were too powerful for the wings to handle, as said in the video.

@apyllyon

2 ай бұрын

@@aviationdeepdive Danish tried them indeed but the 23 mm guns were found to be a logistical nightmare adopting non-standard calibre along with the main problem of being far less reliable than the 20mm guns. Danish fokkers did suffer from wing damage upon firing the 20mm guns,which required reinforcing the main spars and other components. The finnish fokkers were fitted with Bristol Mercury engines, and as the fleet of Blenheims were required for longrange multipurpose duties many D21´s were rebuild using twin wasp´s freeing mercuries for the bombers, other modifications included having larger engine forced to extend the canopy and early on finnish fokkers had modified control surfaces to improve landing and take-off capabilities, as well as inflight abilities. There were test´s with in th VKL to retrofit these aircraft with P-36/ brewster F-4F style landing gear making it retractable, but the speed gain was around 30-50 kmh at alitutude at cost of far worse agility and extra complexity.

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There is a replica flying again build in The Netherlands

that folker guy

Your comment about Fokker and the landinggear. Well there. Is the Fokker G1 aswell. Your story doesn’t stick.

I got something in my eye

If you want stories about obsolete aircraft facing the Luftwaffe you need to look into the Sep '39 Polish campaign.

At 2:23 that is definitely not Anthony Fokker!

How would it have fared against a Ki-27 ?

21:00 The Germans threatened to do the same to Amsterdam, not Utrecht. Correction needed there. There are plans to also rebuild a Fokker G.I in flying condition, however this hasn't been put into motion due to various reasons. One of which is the original drawings being lost making it a lot harder. Another is funding, which won't really be resolved now we have the Ukraine war to worry about and re-arming the military.

The D21 looks more like the Curtiss CW-19 than any British types.

Before you bash the man, even Fokker had a mother.

Yes folks, the Dutch can fight too.

@vangestelwijnen

2 ай бұрын

The Dutch units with some decent weapons were able to inflict good losses to the invaders.

@MiguelJW

2 ай бұрын

Yep! Ask the English, French, Portugese at sea.They even set London on fire in the 17th century. They fought an 80 years war against Spain

>109 trying to escape from a D.XXI by diving yeah, that wasn't a smart move

TORILLE!!!

It wasnt about the finnish plane, it was about finnish pilots

So, obsolete mixed construction... What was the all wood Mosquito then...

@aviationdeepdive

3 ай бұрын

Wood is a material, not a method of construction. The Mosquito and Fokker have completely different construction methods. The Mosquito has, fundamentally, a monocoque construction. The D.XXI uses a steel tube fuselage covered in fabric, with wooden wings.

@danhubert-hx4ss

3 ай бұрын

With both methods excellent results can be achieved. Several Soviet designs prove that. D. XXI had considerable untapped development potential. Pity we did not adopt it in Sweden. @@aviationdeepdive

@Hartley_Hare

3 ай бұрын

They used wood, but the construction method was very, very different.

"the luftwaffe" A bit of a strech since they were already leaving and there wasn't much to beging with and the whole fight was forced by Stalin.

Russians had ~750,000 men (or million in total, not at the same time) at the time of winter war. Not 400 000.

i think alexander stubbs logo copied your pfp

@aviationdeepdive

2 ай бұрын

Wow, yep, looks like it

The Finns had General Winter on their side too. And the Soviet brutal barbarians never seemed to have learned that.

@TheParez

2 ай бұрын

So have russians had all this time, yet they hadn't learned their lesson? puzzling..

@ryssa2409

2 ай бұрын

Finns lost both wars tho, then invented ghost of kiev stories like that to cope

why is that nasi plane

@RoyalMela

2 ай бұрын

It is Finnish airforce emblem from 1918. Nothing to do with Nazis, if that is what you mean.

Dutch v is pronounced as an f

@Emdee5632

3 ай бұрын

Een Hollander doet dat misschien maar waar ik woon is een v een v.

@keesdalm9827

3 ай бұрын

@@Emdee5632Een Noordhollander!

@rmyikzelf5604

2 ай бұрын

Een v is een v. En een z een z (en geen s)

@rmyikzelf5604

2 ай бұрын

​@@keesdalm9827Amsterdammers vooral

@rmyikzelf5604

2 ай бұрын

​@@keesdalm9827Amsterdammers vooral. Of moet ik schrijven fooral😂

Please learn to pronounce Hoogeveen. Try Forvo. Applies to all foreign names before using them.

@Hartley_Hare

3 ай бұрын

The narrator sounds like he's trying his buns off to be as respectful as possible to names that are new to him and he talks about the sacrifices made by the pilots with real care. Nobody, but nobody gets all names that are foreign to them right first time. I'm English and am often asked by tourists whether I know the way to but I don't get angry or outraged. It's just fun and a nice human interaction. Go easy.

@FirstBurns

2 ай бұрын

Hoogeveen is seriously difficult to pronounce for a non Dutch speaker. The way he pronounced it is perfectly acceptable and understandable for most Dutch people.

@juhanivalimaki5418

2 ай бұрын

@@FirstBurns Not difficult, but needs to know how to pronounce g. Wikipedia has sound that was 100% how I expected Hoogeveen to be pronounced.