The harm that so many Black male “comedians” have brought to both Black women and Black LGBT communities 💔😤 wow

@AlwaysAmeera

4 жыл бұрын

The truth!!!!

@TayTay-mk7og

4 жыл бұрын

Truth.

@bigdurk4115

4 жыл бұрын

I disagree

@tooblack1478

2 жыл бұрын

Disagree they bring it on themselves then say black men don’t protect them.

@winterbelle708

2 жыл бұрын

@@tooblack1478 that doesn’t even begin to make sense, i didn’t take any black male comedians hand and force them to write so fucked up shit about me!

I really love this format, an intensive listener, an informed guest, a highly polarizing topic and the patience to dissect the topic in it's fullest, most nuanced form. I need so much more of this.

Kimberly, girl... You are the real MVP. Your content is SO appreciated

Don't you just love coming to KZread and getting entertained and educated at the same time?

@ladiepink

4 жыл бұрын

Facts ! I love Kim I’m always learning and evolving ! I love this community

@user-kd4kq3lg4f

4 жыл бұрын

Seriously 😌 so glad I found this channel

@blu3363

Жыл бұрын

🎊yeah

Thank you so much for guiding the unlearning of myself personally. In the fight for freedom to live and flourish, we cannot oppress each other. We need to cherish Black lives period. I really love that you are having these conversations WITH trans and ngc folks and not AT them with a bunch of harmful assumptions and little space for questions. You are really listening and not interjecting. Love this!

Appreciate this content, Kim 🙏🏾 more and more learning how the world is systematically tuned to maintain some and marginalize others

Omg Kim I’m so excited to watch this video. I love the content you have been making all lockdown it’s been really helping me get through and keep my mind sharp. Thank you pushing boundaries and helping us to unlearn all the white supremacy that has been forced on us. Thank you for building this community. I always know when I come to your channels or Patreon that I will be enlightened and safe.

@terencebarnes7393

4 жыл бұрын

I still don’t understand this concept this is whyte supremacy. When majority of whyte cultures through out history practice all this.

@paulomilan515

4 жыл бұрын

@@terencebarnes7393 what are you talking about, elaborate.

@terencebarnes7393

4 жыл бұрын

Paulo Milan They’re basically saying the concept of gender and gender roles as we know them is a whyte supremacy construct .Most of the talks of homosexuality and transgender you can find in different European cultures throughout history mainly Romans and Greeks. You go to history in Africa you be hard pressed to find it unless we talking one offs and most probably will be taken out of context. Me personally I have no problem with none of it, do what you want and be who you want be.

@paulomilan515

4 жыл бұрын

@@terencebarnes7393 First of there are plenty of places Africa precolonialism that have plenty of displays of same sex couples. As a matter of fact there is a city in eastern Egypt that has been having same sex marriages for thousands of years. There are same sex couples painted in the pyramid. And I can't go on and on. Just because you don't know doesn't mean there isn't, it just means you don't know.

@terencebarnes7393

4 жыл бұрын

Paulo Milan Yea I never said it didn’t happen, but the example you gave is debated but very well could be true. I still wouldn’t say based on everything I read it was common and was for thousands of years. Think about it the Egyptians documented everything and to only have a handful examples is not the same as if you go to Rome. Still giving me one offs here there is not the same as a group people were everyone was basically bisexual.

Really enjoying these interviews. I loved the one about show on Netflix and this was great too.

Kim and Tre’vell said trans rights!

Thank you for sharing the voices of trans folks. You are so intelligent and it means a lot to me to know that you are actively sharing your platform.

Kwame Ture said we need to recognize who our real enemy is. The real enemy is not our black brothers and sisters. Flesh of our flesh. Blood of our blood. I argue in today's time, he would have added the enemy is not our black brothers, sisters and gender expansive folks. A comrade is a comrade is a comrade.

Any community that has a system of exclusion will eventually exclude whatever you are. I'm a HetCis brown-skinned woman and I already don't fit SO many Black Women archetypes. I understand more and more that my freedom will only come with EVERYONE'S. Like Kim said previously, "Fuck these boxes!"

@fattysl26

4 жыл бұрын

This is what I have come to realise too. It's not about leaving anyone behind. How can we be preaching black lives matter, but then get all quiet or reject gay/lesbian/bisexual/trans folk.

@monimuppet6132

4 жыл бұрын

@@fattysl26 Precisely. A life is a life is a life. Sounds simple but the execution of this concept is hella difficult. I'm working on it.

Kim this is the type of content I never realised I needed. So much education on this channel.

@_Katlego_m

4 жыл бұрын

@tea marks 1stly this was not directed to you. 2ndly I'm enjoying all the content on this channel. Lastly just because Trans or LGBTQ+ people make up a small percentage of the population if does not invalidate their lived experience. Now deal with your own issues of needing validation from whomever and heal. I'm not part of US political agendas, I'm African I got my own issues with the US that do not include hating on citizens or members of a marginalized group.

@theDabKing1

4 жыл бұрын

@tea marks Now if white people said that about black people you would be singing a different tune.

I'm loving your guest and content on this channel! Kim I absolutely love your work ethic and journalism style. I saw your series on the patreon KZread channel and it was an honor to watch the behind the scenes of how you work. It puts it all in perspective and i appreciate you even more! Thank you for another amazing video!

@tracie1892

4 жыл бұрын

@tea marks You are worried about the wrong things watch this for a medical point of view on how trans people are valid kzread.info/dash/bejne/lXmcy9VtfJfVmLw.html Also your argument is very in line with hoteps please watch this kzread.info/dash/bejne/goCXpc9sfrTfaM4.html don't get offended by other perspectives

Around 53 minute mark you mention people's problems with transness stem from their insecurity about their gender. Which is partially true but I think we cannot ignore that psychologicaly people are inherently afraid of change and the unknown. Many view trans as a disruption of their old way of being and life. For decades one way of life is all that they knew. And now people are telling them they are wrong. Thus people are more averse to engaging in something unfamiliar or even trying to learn about it if it disrupts their world view. (I've been listening to alot of psychology podcasts )

@melodysoundy7627

3 жыл бұрын

As a Trans Nonbinary person I think your correct. I discussed this with someone I was interviewing and its very accurate. One of the main barriers to trans acceptance is absolutely fear of the unknown and society changing. Society wants to live in the past with prejudices and not evolve.

I love the term gender expansive.

@zekec6088

3 жыл бұрын

mm, ye, I'm gonna start adding that to my vocabulary.

Thanks for doing this interview, Kim. Tre'vell is so awesome in breaking down the concepts of gender, sex, and gender nonconformity. Especially in the black community. We need alot of help here lol

I feel like people are not honest about Pose. Honestly the acting on that show is not good--even Billy Porter. It feels like a lot of the actors are reading their lines. The only good actor on that show is Angelica Ross.

@KSobey

4 жыл бұрын

This! Much of the acting and dialogue in that show makes me cringe, so saying they should’ve been nominations simply because of the diversity is absurd.

@artfulvariety1099

4 жыл бұрын

@@KSobey Yes. I watched the show casually so that I add to the stream numbers but the acting is cringe worthy. There is A LOT about the show that is dishonest but if they were to go into real and interesting topics that happen in houses, it would be considered problematic. They studied Paris is Burning and built the show around that. I wish more black people were a part of the creation of that show. Unfortunately black LGBT people in entertainment have to be whitewashed.

@KimberlyNicoleFoster89

4 жыл бұрын

I don't think Pose is an amazing show. I do think there are performances other than Billy Porter's that could be recognized.

@artfulvariety1099

4 жыл бұрын

@@KimberlyNicoleFoster89 Yes but it had the potential to be a good show. RuPaul got people thinking gay life is glitz and glamour. From my experience, this show doesn't feel black and gay but I feel like we have to pretend like it does because if we don't, nothing else will be made.

@charliedthemc85

4 жыл бұрын

Angelica Ross sparkled in the episode where Candy dies. Just the scene where Candy speaks to her parents ... marvellous.

Nice talk, honestly my first exposure to trans people as real people and not just stereotypically media portrayals were blogs from Black trans women back when I was 17/18 shout out to Trans Griot who has been out here for yesrs

@Aishyo

4 жыл бұрын

@tea marks go to bed 🛏

@henohenomoheji8286

4 жыл бұрын

tea marks because acknowledging their existence matters too? 🧐🤨

They said "You think a man did that!?" and I cackled 😂

@musicismyhothotsex92

4 жыл бұрын

yesss that was gold

I appreciate the recommendation for Disclosure. Been a minute since I attempted to find something to watch on Netflix and watching that doc was very much food for thought. Thank you for this discussion

Kim, as much as we appreciate your intellectual consistency, we gotta say. You are looking gorgeous! Hair, skin, features, everything on point! I also appreciate you keeping certain private details about your life to yourself. Keeping our parasocial dynamic healthy 🖤

I just want to say that I am a French fan of yours, I've been following you and your work for a few years now and I see you going deeper and deeper into conversations and being better at what you do. Your work is amazing and very important. Thank you for what you do and for those platforms. They are necessary for ALL black people, even french ones 😍 you are a real source of inspiration for me and what you do for our community. A french black woman.

the way they fix their glasses is so cute I cant

Tre’vell hit all of the points!!!! Yes yes yes!!!!

There's also something to be said about negative representation, since a lot of the media representation we're talking about for trans women and transfemmes is less Blanca and more Buffalo Bill. It's important not only that trans people get represented, but that they get represented in a respectful and not a mocking or demonizing way.

I love Tre'vell! Fanti is one of my favorite podcasts. thanks for the excellent conversation!

@amyvanmechelen4457

4 жыл бұрын

Same!!

First of all! As soon as the video ended I watched it all over from the top because this was just a comfort food conversation. There is so much good information and so many fantastic points that I could watch this 3 or 4 times and still make a new connection everytime. So excited to check out their podcast! Towards the end of the video I couldn't help but be reminded of that fantastic quote from one of your conversations about stomping out the light of black women. Something about seeing "the other" shine just enrages people.

Thank you Kim for continuing to share your platform with people from LGBTQIA+ community. You’re an excellent interviewer, I always learn so from you and those you share your platforms with

Yet another amazing interview. Thank you Kimberly, you're doing the damn thing per usual.

This discussion was soooooo good. So many light bulbs went off for me. 👏🏾💡💡💡💡

Fantastic discussion! I was searching for a new podcast to listen to, guess I found a new one!

Omg Assassination Nation was incredible!!!! Highly recommended!!!! Also, it wasn’t MJ Rodriguez’s character in Pose that talked about the hierarchy of being shit on, it was Hailee Shar’s character Lulu.

Trancestors is a term I'm totally stealing.

loving the second channel content!!

Another great video from Kim!! Veryexcited for everything to come on this channel!!!

Impeccable video Kim! I loved seeing you two together! Thank you giving us life during quarantine. So thankful ❤️

great convo

So apparently today, right here, right now the time for me to cry. "The idea of the trans imagination is so expansive, we literally create ourselves out of nothing..out of our minds" omg...crying again just by reading that quote!! Im sure a woman of my time. Feminist at 14, feminine at times. I strongly support ideas that moves us towards liberality, treats us just and promotes of equality...for aaaall, yes both animals and men. Looking back...you might think the guys in the exercise video of aerobics back in the days looked super gay. U are probably right. We're soooo gay. I love to streatch beyond my perception of gender (since its a very unhealthy fixation) to self exploration, to unfold, discover versions of myself. Go! Endorse individuality, we dont need the same of the same, we need variety!

abt nuanced critique, i did think disclosure was rly helpful n that the trans ppl brought to talk abt representation talked abt both how harmful certain films have been but also how important they were to them as a young trans person. like... it was good to show that complexity

I loved them on Disclosure. So many things I didn't even think about.

This channel and forHarriet have at this point taught me more than my whole degree 👏🏽👏🏽

Whew, I need to come back to this. I was trying to watch it on the casual while I do other things, but Tre'vell is dropping knowledge that needs my full attention and they deserve that.

Loved this! Great discussion!

I love this conversation. I think I have another podcast to check out.

Whooooo I gotta get my tissue...creating myself from what is deeply rooted within

Loved Loved this interview. Great content Kim. I really appreciate the dialogue you have on your platform 🙌🏾🙌🏾🙏🏾🤎

There’s something just... Powerful and poetic about a black trans person. I think there’s a level of richness and complexity that a person is sort of forced to cultivate while sorting through the nuance of identity and the implications of how those identities are engaged with and perceived. There’s so much projection that people do, so much forcing of things, and I’ve experienced a version of that as a black cis woman, but I think there’s an added layer of it when someone is trans or gender non conforming or nonbinary.

“Transcestors” love that term 😍

Great content

This was amazing content and food for thought. Tre'vell is amazing.

What an amazing conversation! ❤️

I used to love P-Valley until I learned the actor behind Uncle Clifford is cisgender. I’m nonbinary, and it doesn’t feel right. A black nonbinary person could have used that role. I don’t wanna take scraps.

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh i love everything you do. im non-binary and im happy to hear from and see someone talking about trans struggles and black culture.

As a huge fan of FANTI, this was gold! You keep inviting on such awesome people.

Omg this brings me so much joy!!!!!!

For Harriet I love your content ❤

Another great vid, Kim. Keep being amazing ❤

Love this video and the content on this new channel. I’m a little confused why you chose to make a second channel? I figured this content would also fit nicely onto your main channel

how do you write The guest's show name?

really great convo thanks for the ideas :- )

Terrific discussion! 👌🏾♥️

What was the name of their podcast?

@KimberlyNicoleFoster89

4 жыл бұрын

Fanti maximumfun.org/podcasts/fanti/

@IBBMS

4 жыл бұрын

Kimberly Nicole Foster Thank you! I couldn’t quite make out what y’all said at this part. Can’t wait to check it out

Kim almost spilled the tea about her sex life lolol

This show makes me smarter every time I watch it

So meaningful and insightful for me as a young non-binary person. Thank you Kimberly for always using your platform to share queer voices!

I find it peculiar how trans-women are hyper visible in the trans-movement. (Genuine question) does that have aspects of misogyny? And as it relates to black trans-women, is their hyper-visibility more related to matriarchy, misogynoir or both? I’m not trying to offend any so any thoughtful responses would be greatly appreciated 😊

@Sandreline

4 жыл бұрын

In addition to femme-phobia like said above, it's also due to toxic masculinity and (misplaced) homophobia. Straight cis men often feel that trans women are a challenge to their sexuality and masculinity.

@ribbs92

4 жыл бұрын

See Flex Run very insightful. Thanks you for you thoughtful response.

Yeeess Charleston, South Carolina *STAND UP* 👏🏽

Yesssss love Tre’vell & FANTI!!!

Can someone please list all the film/show references? I want to watch all of them

great interview as usual! the part about the sports drama has me thinking its almost a mute point. like its connected to affirming trans kids in the first place. like if we did that, i'm sure quite a few of these kids would have puberty blockers and maybe hormone therapy so there wouldnt be this hormone paranoia! it reminds me of how Kat talks about how just her existing brings bad suitors who went all up into her space of their own volition but will act like they've been tricked by the devil themself if they found out they were uninhibitedly, unabashedly attracted to a trans woman. like they set up these traps for trans ppl to always be "wrong" and get indignant when trans ppl "fall" into them. set them up to fail by their standards and be mad they are failures in their eyes. and then i also get that it shouldnt even matter! the estrogen or testosterone level of an athlete just shouldnt even matter! this reminds me of how i missed the point years ago when a country in europe decided to expand their gender binary on state documents. i said a useless comment about just getting rid of the binary altogether, which, right or wrong, just did not belong in this context. i was coming more from these budding thoughts of de-gendering personalities and characteristics but in this specific context comes completely wrong. i had the 'aha' moment for this when juxtaposing the "color blind" bullshit for race issues. i was doing one of those useless and frankly harmful moments. a trans person had come at me no holds barred back then, and even though i was being "understanding" and not wanting to invalidate them, i know i was bitter- i was salty! lol even after the 'aha' moment. nowadays that dig doesnt get to me just because it really hit me that i dont have any skin in the game like trans ppl. like im about ready to yell at anyone about disability at this point and no one can tell me im being in the wrong lol wont compute x3

Awesome.

MJ Rodriguez did what had to be done on Pose.

Ok but what was that slurping sound @17:28

Sis is not playing in these streets! Great job, Kim!

shout out papi juice!!! :P

“We as humans fail this concepts of gender cos they were made with white person in mind, so to buy into this conversation doesn’t do us black folks any favors” - I don’t get it. Can somebody explain it please? Pretty please, I really want to understand. I thought gender is gender, sex is sex, it was binary until we all found out it’s not and for me it was a struggle in itself, but how is it related to race?

@Rachopin77

3 жыл бұрын

My interpretation of this is how even though gender is a complex thing that exists outside of our concept of what race is (Which is a cultural and social construct), in practice, in peoples lives you can’t really separate gender expression and identity from these cultural concepts and the complex interconnected ness of these intersecting factors. Sure, everyone is just human, race isn’t a scientific reality, but it’s real in its implications and it’s power to affect our minds and behaviors and ways of engaging with different people. Race factors in when talking about gender, because the reality is our concept and understanding of what race is has an effect on how we perceive others, ourselves, and what we “should” or “shouldn’t” be. A lot of the struggles that people face aren’t based on inherent facts about who they are as human, a lot of it comes from the ways that our understanding of these different constructs affect our behavior. As a black woman, my concept of my gender has been colored by the social and cultural effects of what that means. And the constraints that are placed on me by others are not the same as those that are placed on white women. The concepts of masculinity and femininity are expected to be different for me than for a white woman. The concept of black femininity is different from white femininity in how people often perceive them. There are a lot of nuanced differences.

Disclosure was a great documentary; I still think the Bugs Bunny and Mrs. Doubtfire arguments are reaches though.

Kim, have you considered locing her hair? Yannie the locologist has a lot of videos on KZread to educate the loc’d community on healthy maintenance.

OMG I LOVE TREVELL AND HAD NO IDEA THIS HAPPENED!

There's a great thread of tweets that bring a really clear perspective about trans women in sports. I agree with Fanti about othering the way we are othered: www.indy100.com/article/trans-athletes-lgbt-twitter-thread-brynn-tannehill-8808621

I loved this! I just want to add though, if non-binary people were only people in the lavenders, there would only be 1 color on the non-binary flag, a lot of us have genders that do not have anything to do with ideas of maleness/masculinity or femaleness/femininity, or that include more than just those ideas! Okay love you bye!

I don’t really understand why trans men/women can have their own space like non binary people. As they don’t forget the binary, why not create your own space. I’m aware many pre colonial cultures had multi genders so why couldn’t we do that instead? Because this rhetoric is gender being a social contrast and I feel like a a woman/ man just doesn’t sound like a valid basis to identify as a particular gender

Around the 15-18 min mark the guest really Side stepped and didn’t answer the question about the “emasculation of the black man” and started going in on the usual trans talking points. Nobody seems to be able to answer that question clearly for me

Billy Porter has busted his butt for decades in the industry. He didn't get nominated for being LGBTQ+. He was nominated because he has studied is butt off.

@KimberlyNicoleFoster89

4 жыл бұрын

Way to miss the entire point

@totalpefectionisto

4 жыл бұрын

Hard work does NOT erase privilege.

@kseniyarosina2357

4 жыл бұрын

Wait, I sort of thought that the point was not that he didn’t deserve it or that he got it because he is so and so, but that the rest of the cast was not acknowledged, none of them and while Porter is wonderful and great, it kind of feels that he is accepted more than others, or rather others are even harder to accept than him, so let’s just ignore them

@kseniyarosina2357

4 жыл бұрын

totalpefectionisto is it privilege though if you create it yourself? I mean if he was a white male/female, I wouldn’t even argue, but he is POC and gay, how is that a privilege? I don’t know, I am honestly asking. I mean to some extend each of us has some sort of privilege - either money, or supportive parents, or just two parents, etc... to me it feels that it’s all valid, sure, but those (except for money) aren’t really societal privileges, unless, of course a person loves somewhere where living in a single parent household is a shame in itself (those exist btw)

@totalpefectionisto

4 жыл бұрын

@@kseniyarosina2357 Privilege exists for everyone, including Black gay men occupying trans spaces. Marginalized communities have hierarchies that tend to reproduce existing bias. He is a cisgender man that has been afforded roles that cisgender men are afforded and allowed him to have the career he has. The trans women on the show were not afforded the same luxury. Despite being the center on Pose, Billy is the one receives the most press coverage and attention. And let's be honest, many voters prob did not vote for them bc they don't think MJ, Indya, and others belong in the actress category.

♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️

god is a trans woman PREACH

@tjones7915

3 жыл бұрын

Umm

This discussion was soooooo good. So many light bulbs went off for me. 👏🏾💡💡💡💡

Great content