Working on a series on the Ancient Greek Mythology...

@Armorius2199

2 жыл бұрын

That sounds so dope, bruv!

@manuelapollo7988

2 жыл бұрын

😍

@denniscleary7580

2 жыл бұрын

🤩

@manualfein9936

2 жыл бұрын

God of war?

@GoodGirlKate

2 жыл бұрын

Age of Mythology ^^ Awesome guys

Many cities in southern France were actually founded by the Greeks, the most famous being Marseille (Phocea) the second largest city of France, that we still call "la cité Phocéenne". :)

@perseusarkouda

2 жыл бұрын

A glorious city back then. It had a powerful army of it's own and later helped Romans a lot in the region as they were allied with them.

@Mi-guo-wai

2 жыл бұрын

Phocea was a different city, located on the western coast of Asia Minor. Marseille was founded by the citizens of Phocea fleeing from the Persians though, so it still makes sense to call it "la cité Phocéenne" (this translates to 'the Phocean city/city of the Phoceans' right?) Anyway, cheers from Poland!

@illyrusemperor9278

2 жыл бұрын

Was Paris founded by Troyans?

@Deadmangafan

2 жыл бұрын

@@illyrusemperor9278 Paris' name comes from the latin name for the gallic tribe living there, the parisii.

@bastadimasta

2 жыл бұрын

Marseille. Founded by immigrants, hates immigrants.

Great video and greetings from Taranto (Τάρας) an ancient spartan colony🇬🇷🇮🇹❤️

My ancestors were Greeks that found their way to Sicily, had a town named after them in central Sicily. When Mussolini arose the changed the towns name. My great grandfather came from there around a decade before that.

@halilobirro

2 жыл бұрын

What was its name?

@georgelogreco8810

2 жыл бұрын

My cousin visited it. It was something like "La Piazzo de LoGreco.

@hermespsychopompos8267

2 жыл бұрын

Damn... Does your family have that surname for generations? I saw a guy visited Southern Italy, don't remember where exactly. It was a village with Greeks, still speaking Greek. It was amazing and both Italy's and Greece's flags were arisen at a building. Dope stuff.

@georgelogreco8810

2 жыл бұрын

@@hermespsychopompos8267 Just means "the Greek ". Town was named town of the Greeks until they heard Mussolini had it in for Greeks. It was a common name there.

@hermespsychopompos8267

2 жыл бұрын

@@georgelogreco8810 And these surnames survived all these centuries? God, legendary stuff

Fascinating topic! Would love to hear more about ancient Greek colonies.

@GoodGirlKate

2 жыл бұрын

Same, those old Greeks knew how to get things done Calum

@OtherworldlyTV

2 жыл бұрын

Me2 😈

@Mi-guo-wai

2 жыл бұрын

And Phoenician ones too!

@TacitusKilgore165

2 жыл бұрын

Would you like to know more?

@GoodGirlKate

2 жыл бұрын

@@TacitusKilgore165 I am doing my part!

Other interesting Greek colonies were Massalia (later known as Marseille) located in the south of France or Emporion in Spain.

The story of the Greek colonization is very ancient and goes back to the Mycenaean period. For example many of the Heroes of the Argonautica and the Trojan War, they founded many cities through the Mediterranean and the Black Sea. For example, the Argonaut Phalerus founded the city of Parthenope (today's Napoli) in Italy, while the Trojan War Heroes like Diomedes, Idomeneas, Myrion, Teucer, Agapenor, built cities in Italy, Cyprus, and the coasts of the Black Sea. In their greatest expansion, during the Hellenistic times, Greek cities and colonies existed from Spain and France (Hemeroskopeion, Marseille), to India, and from the Crimean Peninsula (Nymphaion), to Libya (Cyrene).

@BhairavVani

2 жыл бұрын

India ?

@pseudomonas03

2 жыл бұрын

@@BhairavVani The reference was to the Indo-Greek Kingdom of Menander.

@pseudomonas03

2 жыл бұрын

@@comradekenobi6908 Of course they would have been conficts, but also they had been alliances, trading, cultural exchanges among the Greek colonies and the local inhabitants. A classic example of peaceful coexistence with the indigenous people, are the Greek colonists from Phokaia who built Marseilles. The leader of the Greek colonists had a very good relationship with the local Celts, he traded with them, and he even married the daughter of the Celt chieftain. In other cases at the contrary, like in the also Phokaian colony of Alalia in Corsica, the settlement of the Greek colonists lead to a war with the Etruscans and the Carthagenes, and to the Battle of Alalia in 535 BC, and to the final abbandon of the colony by the Greeks.

@themercifulguard3971

2 жыл бұрын

@@comradekenobi6908 It's a diverse array of situations. Not all of those colonies were militaristic. Some were tiny merchant outposts which cooperated and felt cool with the natives.

@BoxStudioExecutive

2 жыл бұрын

@@comradekenobi6908 some would have started out as trading outposts and then turned into full fledged colony. A clear example of this is Emporion located in modern Spain whose name literally means ‘marketplace’

From all the thousands of cities the Greeks has built, some did really made an extraordinary journey to our days: Istanbul 🇹🇷 (Byzantium) الإسكندرية 🇪🇬 (Alexandria) Marseille 🇫🇷 (Massalia) Naples/Napoli 🇮🇹 (Neapoli) Nice 🇫🇷 (Níkaia) Trabzon 🇹🇷 (Trabezous) Izmir 🇹🇷 (Smyrna) Antakya 🇹🇷 (Antióchia) Kerch 🇺🇦 (Pantikápaion)

@seigi6048

3 ай бұрын

Kerch 🇷🇺

@Kapanol97

2 ай бұрын

Τόμις/Τόμοι Constanța

@Kapanol97

2 ай бұрын

Τόμις/Τόμοι Constanța

@Kapanol97

2 ай бұрын

Κάλλατις Mangalia

@asicdathens

16 күн бұрын

@@seigi6048 Don't worry. It will be Ukrainian soon.

Next rivalry between Greek and Phoenecian Colonizers please. And their sphere of influence in the Mediterranian and Atlantic coast.

@ProudCypriot

2 жыл бұрын

It would be very interesting subject. An example is the island of Cyprus. Phoenicians colonized the island first (the islands name at Phoenician time was Alashia). The the mycenian Greeks colonized the island later and the Greek language and culture became dominant on the island since then. The Greek-Cypriot dialect uses thousands of ancient Greek words that are not in use in Greece. The Greeks gave the name Kypros (Cyprus) to the island because of the Kyparissos tree (cypress tree) on the island. The island gave its name to the copper metal because the romans called the metal aes cyprium (metal from Cyprus).

@arolemaprarath6615

2 жыл бұрын

@Leo the British-Filipino Followed by Carthaginian(Offspring of Phoenicia) vs Rome(Influenced by Greece)

@hermespsychopompos8267

2 жыл бұрын

@footballcoreano I think they're talking earlier. The entire Mediterranean became Greek after Alexander the Great.

@degamegang8262

2 жыл бұрын

@@hermespsychopompos8267 not really since you still had carthage and in the west iberian tribes so yes the east was greek thanks to its colonies and Alexander but not the west

@hermespsychopompos8267

2 жыл бұрын

@@degamegang8262 Yeah, I meant the part you got after us up to Egypt. I didn't mean the European Mediterranean. I phrase it wrongly.

What is the rational for separating Greece (Hellas) and Macedonia? Probably would be better to leave the city state names since then there was no nation called Greece

@user-td8ct9cy7e

4 ай бұрын

It is part of the propaganda that Macedonia is something different from Greece. Distorting history is now commonplace in our time.

Its really cool how they went so far and actually managed to settle there , like thise colonies in iberia/southern france.

@Mi-guo-wai

2 жыл бұрын

I wonder, what they felt out there? I mean, Iberia was like the end of the world, what it felt like to live in such a place?

@harrywilliamson7043

2 жыл бұрын

When Alexander was securing his conquest of Persia and got to the eastern frontier in what is now Afghanistan, he found Greek cities already there. He added more, but was building on an already existing Greek population.

@richiedamien

2 жыл бұрын

@@ziadalaa6054 Before the Roman Empire, the Celts came from the Anatolia region, moved in to Central Europe and then Western Europe.

@GamingHoplite

2 жыл бұрын

@@richiedamien its the other way round, the moved into anatolia

@tylerdurden3722

2 жыл бұрын

@@ziadalaa6054 nope. It's the other way around. An extremely large group of marauding Gauls from modern day France (the tribes of the Boii and the Volcae), moved towards Greece , but suddenly stopped north of Macedonian territory. These were the Gauls that met with Alexander the Great (when Alexander asked them what they feared the most, and they replied "The sky falling"). Anyway, this group became bigger and bigger and when Alexander died, they resumed their movement and tried to invade Greece with a massive force (reportedly 300 000). However, after some initial success they untimately failed and many were trapped while attempting to retreat after an attempt at the treasures of the Oracle of Delphi, and were slaughtered by the Greeks. The survivors fled to Thrace near Byzantium unable to cross into Asia. Some escaped north towards modern day Romania (the place became known as Wallachia). More of those who remained were massacred when one of Alexander's generals, Antigonas, happened to land nearby while attempting to invade Macedonia. About 20 000 managed to find employment as Mercenaries under another Succussor general, Nicomedes, and was allowed to cross into Asia. After some stuff happened, these Gallic mercenaries ended up marauding accross Anatolia. These were also slaughtered by Antiochus (another Successor general). The now very few survivors that remained, settled in the middle of Anatolia around Ancyra. They were a warrior class minority ruling over the majority local Phrygians... who began to speak the language of their Gallic overlords and became known as the Galatians.

Why you separate Macedonia from Greece ??? We do not separate them in any university cause is the same culture language religion etc. why don’t you separate also Spartans if you want to separate the Greek world

@micheleleo8331

2 жыл бұрын

Only in ellenistic times, before Maceodnians was considerated barbarian

@Iwaniddou

2 жыл бұрын

They were considered barbarian only by their political rivals, the others Greeks saw them as fellow Greeks

@micheleleo8331

2 жыл бұрын

@@Iwaniddou isn't true, no one would to accept king Alexandros I (the philellene, V century b.C.) to play in Olimpiads, in a second time Alexandros I and the royal family were considerated "ellenic" the rest of the people and nobility not. It wasn't a political view of Atenians or Beotians, it was a common view of the koinè of greeks.

@DDDDDDDDD143Q3R

2 жыл бұрын

@@micheleleo8331 I like to get my facts out of my toilet too.

@vonbalt4891

2 жыл бұрын

Previous to the hellenistic period of Alexander the main Greeks did consider Macedonians as semi-barbarians, it was only after the conquests of Alexander than that status started to change with the influence Macedon achieved in main Greek society.

"The Average Joe was still a farmer". Maybe in the greek case we should call him the "Average Ioannis".

@mightycannon1512

2 жыл бұрын

Why do normal greek names always sound so cool

@eedobee

2 жыл бұрын

@@mk9650 Average wopadopolis

@dziosdzynes7663

2 жыл бұрын

Ioannis is a name of jewish origin used much later. Average names around then would be Aristarchus (Athens) or Pausanias (Sparta) etc.

@ouroboros5474

2 жыл бұрын

@@apmoy70 Correct.

You made us feel proud once again. Greetings to everyone from a Greek Living in Cyprus

@diasporamazi

Жыл бұрын

AMEN!

Greeks built several ancient cities in Iraq (Mesopotamia), such as Alexandria, and Seleucia.

Aristotle teacher of Alexander the Great was born in Stageira of province Makedonia.Stageira was founded by the Greek Ionian Island of Andros (655 BC).Aristotles father was born in Andros Island and settled in the colony of his ancestors .Also the Greek Ionian Island Euboia (Chalkis), founded many others cities in province of Makedonia (8 CENTURY BC).Aristotles mother was from Euboia Island (Chalkis).

Ancient Greek history is always nice to see!

@deron2203

2 жыл бұрын

@@kafon6368 rude of them 😞

I really like to study the Greek colonization throughout the Mediterranean. Sicily (Σικελία), for example, was once the epicenter of Magna Graecia (Μεγάλη Ελλάς); as the Romans called the Greek colonization within the current Italian regions of Sicily, Calabria, Basilicata, Puglia and Campania. Sicily, the "queen of the Mediterranean" ("La Regina del Mediterraneo"), as I like to call it, was the very heart of Magna Graecia. In Sicily, however, the Greek colonization was NOT concentrated on the entire island, but only within the current Sicilian provinces of Siracusa, Ragusa, Catania, Messina, Agrigento and Caltanissetta; including the southern part of the province of Trapani as well (where Selinunte is located). The current province of Palermo, on the other hand, was initially colonized by the Phoenicians/Carthaginians (at least until the Sicilian wars). The only significant Greek colony within the current province of Palermo, however, was Himera (Ιμέρα). Syracuse (Συράκουσαι), for example, was not only the most significant city of Magna Graecia; but it was also one of the most important cities of the western world as a whole; SPECIALLY during Hiero II's reign (270-215 BC), when Syracuse rivaled in importance with Rome itself! It was also the birthplace of Archimedes himself! Syracuse, in my own words, was the "queen of Sicily" ("Η Βασίλισσα της Σικελίας"). From a simple Corinthian colony, Syracuse became the most important city of Magna Graecia during the reign of tyrant Gelon I (485-478 BC). Note: Hiero II's death in 215 BC, in my historical analysis, was catastrophic for the political independence of Syracuse. Hieron was able to maintain Syracuse as an independent polis (city) for over 50 years! However, after the rise of Hiero's son and successor, Hieronymus (Ιερώνυμος), Syracuse's political independence was compromised. Hieronymus simply abandoned his father's pro-Roman policy, allying himself with the Carthaginians at the peak of the Second Punic War! After this political "treason", the city was besieged and conquered by the Romans in 212 BC; which was carried out by the proconsul Claudius Marcellus, who was the so-called "sword of Rome" ("Gladius Romae"). Nevertheless, Syracuse maintained its importance even after the Roman conquest in 212 BC, when it became the capital of the Roman province of Sicily (PROVINCIA SICILIA); the first Roman province outside Italy. In addition to Syracuse, Agrigento (Ακράγας) is also a "symbol" of the Greek presence in Southern Italy (ESPECIALLY the Valley of the Temples). Agrigento was the second most important city of Magna Graecia, specially during Theron's reign (488-472 BC). After the Greek victory over the Carthaginians at the Battle of Himera (480 BC), Akragas became the most important polis of central Sicily. Pindar himself call it the "most beautiful city of the mortals". However, after the Carthaginian destruction of Akragas in 406 BC, the city completely lost its former glory and importance. In 262 BC, when the consuls Quintus Mamilius Vitulus and Lucius Postumius Megellus conquered the city (which was called Agrigentum by the Romans), Akragas was no longer the former powerful city of Theron's reign. In addition to Syracuse and Akragas, the cities (poleis) of Rhegium (Ρήγιον), which was the most important city of the Greek Calabria; Taranto (Τάρας/Tarentum), which was the most important city of Puglia (Άπουλία); and Paestum (Ποσειδώνια), which was the most important city of the Greek Campania; were also key cities for the Greek world (Ελλάς). Taranto (Τάρας), for example, was the single Spartan colony within the Greek world. I would like to visit the ruins of those cities someday!

@adolphbismark4331

2 жыл бұрын

Good info but you need to be informed and others too, that such thing as " Magna Grecia" didn't exist as a concept back than and not even among the ancient hellens in Peloponnese or islands It is a made up term in the 20th century.

@BoogieBubble

2 жыл бұрын

Man i visited these places in early 2000. I was a young boy and my grandma with an elder travel group travelled from Bari to the Island of Σικελία. All the old folkes where interested about the Cristian temples ( which where great don't get me wrong ) but my passion was about the archeological sites. Thankfully our tour guide was in love with them too and taught me many things. We ended up in a Greek speaking village , called Kalimera in Σικελία. The Greek government had given them a piece of marble from the acropolis and they had it on display in the main square. Such beautiful places along the way to the south. What a trip. You should definitely go.

@dankahlavata

2 жыл бұрын

me the same

@paytah__

2 жыл бұрын

Greetings from Taranto I totally agree with you my friend but the problem is (in my city) that here in Taranto except for the ruins of the temple of Poseidon in the old city (we call it Taranto vecchia) and some ruins of the first colonizers at Saturo, a beach named after the wife of Falanto (Satureya) there's almost nothing in surface left because no one except few people cares and they built a lot of things on ancient greco-roman ruins, like for example in the middle of the city there's a parking lot and under the parking lot there's a greek theater.

@billpetrak

2 жыл бұрын

@@paytah__ That is very sad. It should be illegal to build in ancient ruins. If enough people notified the state, italian archeologists could turn it into an archeological site that could attract tourists.

Greetings all from Greece 🇬🇷

The glorious Hellenic... Would love to see more on ancient Greece!

I was honestly disappointed that you have singled out Greece on the map from ancient Greek Macedonia.

@Kapanol97

2 ай бұрын

Yeah really brainlet move from them tbh

@thelastgunslinger21

2 ай бұрын

They weren’t part of the Greek city states and didn’t significantly contribute to the colonization efforts like their southern neighbors

🇮🇹Magna Graecia is the area of ​​the southern Italian peninsula that was once colonized by the Greeks starting from the eighth century BC The colonization of Magna Graecia was very different from that of Greek Sicily. Polybius reports that Magna Graecia began to be called this way (Megálē Hellàs) in the sixth century. BC, even if the name is found only in the second century BC. The Greeks emigrated to Italy in the eighth century BC from: Euboea, Argolide, Locride, Crete and the Aegean islands. And they settled on the southern coasts: - from Campania to Apulia, and in the south and east of Sicily where they founded rich colonies based on agriculture and trade. Sometimes they allied with each other against common enemies but generally they were rivals among themselves. PEOPLES WHO MIGRATED THERE - the Achaeans , of Doric origin, who founded: Taranto, Metaponto, Posidonia (Paestum), Crotone, Sibari, Laos, Terina. - the Ionians who founded: Reggio on the bank of the strait and on the other side Zancle, today's Messina. - i Locri and the Calcedoni from Euboea, who founded: Naxos (Taormina), Zancle (Messina), Pitecusa (Ischia), and Cuma in Campania. - the Corinthians founded: Syracuse, - the Megari founded: Megara Iblea in the Gulf of Augusta, - the Foci founded: Elea (Velia) in Campania. - the Locresi founded: Locri. The set of colonies founded by these Greek peoples in southern Italy and Sicily was called Magna Grecia. Their inhabitants were called Italioti and Sicelioti. The most important colonies were: Ischia, Cuma, Reggio, Naples, Syracuse, Agrigento, Sibari, Crotone, Metaponto and Taranto. 1) ISCHIA - These people established the colony of Pithecussai (populated by monkeys) on the current island of Ischia, in the first half of the eighth century BC (775 BC), thanks to the Greeks of Eretria and Chalcis (on the 'Euboea). 2) CUMA - On the Italic coasts they founded several cities: Kyme (= dove), in Latin Cumae, that is Cuma, founded around 740 BC, by the Eubei of Chalcis, who under the guidance of Hippocles of Cuma and Megasthenes of Chalcis, chose to to land at that point of the coast because attracted by the flight of a dove or according to others by the roar of cymbals. 3) METAPONTION- founded by Greek colonists of Achaia in the second half of the 7th century BC, at the request of the mother country, by Sibari (Calabria), to protect itself from the expansion of Taranto. Or, according to other sources, it was founded by the Greek hero Nestor returning from the Trojan war. 4) TARAS , (Taranto) - which, according to Eusebius of Caesarea (265 - 340), was founded in 706 BC, by the Spartan Falanto, son of the noble Aratus and descendant of Heracles of the eighth generation, and of other compatriots called Partheni ( sons of the virgins of Sparta), for expansion or commercial reasons. 5) RHEGION(Reggio Calabria) - founded in the 8th century BC, the Chalcidians founded a Greek colony keeping the pre-existing name of Rhegion (Head of the King), formerly known as Erythrà (Ερυθρά, La Rossa). These colonies were independent from the motherland which, however, called them Magna Graecia, and grew up in various sectors, such as art, science, philosophy. The Greek invasion in southern Italy was not peaceful, because it drove out the Italic divinities with their priests by erecting temples to the divinities of the Greek Pantheon. Subsequently, however, there was an integration between the various peoples with an overlapping of indigenous and Hellenic cults and traditions, and also with animistic religions. The expeditions were led by an ecista, chief of the colonizing Greeks, who before leaving was sent to interrogate the oracle of Delfo, to get instructions on where to found the new colony. The founding of a city was not left to the individual initiative of the ecista or a small group, but was organized by the motherland, which provided all the necessary means, from ships to food, weapons, engineers and architects. But ships from Asia and Greece also reached Magna Graecia, so it flourished in trade in art and science. The colonists found in Magna Graecia a dry and mild climate, similar to those of the motherland, and a land rich in woods and streams. They thus preferred the flat areas, rich in water and suitable for the construction of ports. The architecture of Magna Graecia is characterized by monumentality and a predilection for the Doric style, as seen in Paestum, which retains archaic characteristics compared to that of Greece. The Ionic and Corinthian orders also developed in Roman times. Characteristics of Magna Graecia religion were the archaic imprint, in which the most ancient temples were dedicated to female divinities, perhaps because the first settlers, antecedent to the Greeks, were Mycenaeans, or even the Minoans (XIII-VIII century BC). Polychrome clay coatings flourished (gutters, acroteria, archways, groups of large proportions), of votive tablets, statuettes in terra cotta or in limestone and bronze sculptures. Under Etruscan influence, in the Osco-Campanian and Apulian tombs (Paestum, Cuma, Capua, Nola) there were hypogea painted with scenes of gladiators, warriors and dances (V-III centuries). The ceramic production, born in the 5th century, had different stylistic and figurative characteristics in the Apulian, Campania and Lucanian regions and also from the neighboring ones. Also noteworthy is the production of polychrome fictile (clay) coatings, votive tablets, terracotta or limestone statuettes and bronze sculptures. Once the colony was founded, a wall was built, followed by the assignment of land plots to the colonists and the construction of large temples. The area of ​​the acropolis, "the upper city" with the abodes of the gods and the large spaces reserved for religious ceremonies and sacrifices, contrasted with the irregular and chaotic layout of the "lower city" districts which presented: narrow streets, houses crowded, and rare water wells. The new settlers, once landed with their ships, found themselves faced with the problem of relations with the local populations which were: Ausoni, Enotri, Itali, Siculi, Coi Messapi, Iapigi, who lived on sheep farming and agriculture and were organized into tribes. They had nothing to do with the most advanced political, social and economic organization of the Greek poleis. A violent clash was thus created between the inhabitants of southern Italy and the new colonizers who wanted to appropriate their lands. The Magna Graecia cities reached a greater splendor than Greece itself, where the great Greek intellectuals flourished between the fifth and fourth centuries. BC, and where Plato went to visit and Pythagoras, Herodotus and Xenophanes settled there. Just as the Greek poleis enjoyed their independence and autonomy, and were often in conflict with each other for political and conquest reasons, the same happened to the colonies of Magna Graecia causing the destruction of flourishing cities (such as Sybaris, Siris). The infighting and the eternal rivalry of the poleis will eventually lead to a weakening of the Magna Graecia cities which will become easy prey for the Roman conquerors.

The city state of Macedonia was a minor state until after the Persian wars, this map is completely innacurate excluding core lands and adding unrelated ones. Also there’s no reason to have them in separate from the rest of Greece

@zkatom3773

2 жыл бұрын

@@comradekenobi6908 He is talking about other people.

1. back then city states not countries, not sure why the map distinguishes Greece and Macedonia... as Macedonians are greeks as well

If Macedonia is separate from Greece then all the kingdom on this map should be separate like Sparta Athens etc…

@HellenicRambo

2 жыл бұрын

There was no political borders. There was no Greece. There was regions Thessalia Attica etc this is HELLAS

@panayotisbikas9331

2 жыл бұрын

i wanted to say the same think

@HellenicRambo

2 жыл бұрын

Sparta was a kingdom Athens was not a kingdom

@billychops1280

2 жыл бұрын

@@HellenicRambo they were a independent territory which counts

@billpetrak

2 жыл бұрын

@@HellenicRambo They were City-States and not kingdoms I think.

And two examples of how the conflicts in Greece lead to the founding of new cities and colonies: First example, is the city of Taras (today's Taranto) in Southern Italy, which is the only colony in Italy created by the Spartans. During the First Messenian War (the Messenian Wars were among the longhest and more rutlhless, but also less known conficts in ancient Greece, between the Spartans and the Messenians), the single Spartan women, with the absence of the Homoioi in the war, they had children with the Perioikoi. With the end of the war, these children were seen, by the returning Spartans as not part of their society. In order to avoid social conflict, it was decided that these children (now grown men), should leave Sparta, and built a new city in Italy. This city was Taras. The second example is the city of Messene (today's Messina) in Sicily, which was built by the Messenians rebels. At the end of the 3rd Messenian War, the defeated Messenian rebels came to an agreement with the Spartans to abbandon their homeland and find a new home in Sicily, where they founded the city of Messene.

@hermespsychopompos8267

2 жыл бұрын

Homoioi means "same" ( other Spartans with same Status ) and perioikoi "those -who live- around" ( slaves ). Just for clarification. Both terms are being used today, but the first one, of course does not imply slaves ( Homeopathy/Homosexual etc ).

@pseudomonas03

2 жыл бұрын

@@hermespsychopompos8267 Perioikoi were not slaves (don't be confused with the Eilotes). They were a social class of free people around the city of Sparta, but they couldn't be part of the Agogi (the Spartan military training), and they didn't have the right of voting in the Apella (the assemblance of the Homoioi). The Perioikoi didn't occuppy with the war like the Homoioi, but they had other activities like trade, manufacturing etc.

@hermespsychopompos8267

2 жыл бұрын

@@pseudomonas03 Right, my bad. I got confused because when Spartans couldn't find non-Greeks as they should to take for Slaves, they took Perioikous that became Helots.

Macedonia at the time was a citt state of Greece...they spoke greek ,they worshipped greek gods,they had the same customs... Macedonia was not colonised

@gregkosinski2303

2 жыл бұрын

@Sicilianu buncha turkoslavs now

@TimelordDelta

2 жыл бұрын

@@gregkosinski2303 Have you seen your Yugoslav's state demographics? HAHAHAHA

why do you have Macedonia seperate and not included in Greece?

@user-ln8eh5nq3q

2 жыл бұрын

Because makedon was considered a semi barbarian land by the rest of the Greeks mainly Athens ( for political reasons ) who had democracy and it's people lived on a city state makedon ruled by kings and the kingdom didn't had the development of the city states futhermore they were always in war with the it's neighbors Illyrians Thracians and even with the rest of the Greeks. last l don't think they had colonies

@user-ln8eh5nq3q

2 жыл бұрын

@@Francesco3255 μπορώ να ακούσω την γνώμη σου επί του θέματος ?

@perseusarkouda

2 жыл бұрын

@@user-ln8eh5nq3q Was considered semi barbarian? So were they barbarians or not? What means semi? Also please tell me if they were taking part in Olympic games and who were exactly allowed to take part to the Olympic games? Just because some Greeks didn't like Phillip II it doesn't mean it can be used as an argument for really considering them barbarians by all Greeks, ignoring all other facts. The guy had a Greek name for God's sake!

@user-ln8eh5nq3q

2 жыл бұрын

@@perseusarkouda you must misunderstood my writings with the term semi l meant not all Greeks Athens and especially Δημοσθένης for political reasons considered them barbarians because Demosthenes was seeing a rise of makedon as the head of the Greek world a place that Athens had for a long time that's why l wrote POLITICAL REASONS futhermore l know that Alexander the first ( he lived in the time of Persian wars ) took part at the Olympics

@agpaok0704

2 жыл бұрын

@@user-ln8eh5nq3q τι λες ρε; Και οι Ακαρνάνες είχαν παρόμοιο τρόπο διοίκησης με τους Μακεδόνες και μια χαρά τους έχει στην Ελλάδα, στον χάρτη του. Ό, τι σου κατέβει λες

Why are in map greece and macedonia as different countries? Macedonia was a greek kingdom

the distinction of macedonia and Greece in your channel is rather suspicius...the funny thing is that athens was city state sparta..etc..and there were not yet a unified country,and yet you call it Greece...as you wanted so bad to make that distinction...and you know very well that in this case you are wrong in the best case scenario...maybe...your funding sources,wanted that also...anyways....the video was as always of a very good quality.

@perseusarkouda

2 жыл бұрын

Can't be a mistake. That separated Macedonia country includes the Paeonian lands that wasn't a part of Macedonian Kingdom. Obvious propaganda.

@jayjay3013

2 жыл бұрын

@@perseusarkouda I believe paeonia was regarded as upper Macedonia

@christermi

2 жыл бұрын

@@jayjay3013 not in that time period. It's the 6th century BC in the map of the thumbnail and Macedon didnt even have partial control over any areas outside of Pieria and Emathia.

@perseusarkouda

2 жыл бұрын

@@jayjay3013 With that logic it should have included the Persian empire's lands as in Macedonian borders. It's simple: The size and the shape of that map's borders are pretty much the borders of today's Greek Macedonia's and North Macedonia's (FYROM) unified border. If that doesn't stink, I don't know what does. With regards by a Greek Macedonian.

@iasgr

2 жыл бұрын

indeed!

I'm from a country that has cities like Tomis and Callatis founded by the ancient Greeks, nowadays their name is changed in Constanta and Mangalia, but still they breed history through all their pores , wherever a construction site appears ,after the diggings, most of the times, artifacts appears of Greek origin or later Roman period, the cities were continually inhabited through the dark ages period and modern era !

@etherospike3936

2 жыл бұрын

@@eliaspapanikolaou3563 Exactly !

@etherospike3936

2 жыл бұрын

@footballcoreano True, but I'm talking about the Black Sea here !

@mynameispro20

2 жыл бұрын

hello my fellow dobrujan friend, n ai mentionat faptul ca noi suntem asa de prosti ca aruncam la gunoi artefactele noastre arheologice, la propriu, dar mai bine ca n-ai zis, ne facem drq de rahat :))

@theodoruspantelides8661

2 жыл бұрын

@@etherospike3936 heyy buddy i own a greco turkish friendship discord server if you want to join send me your account

@theodoruspantelides8661

2 жыл бұрын

@@mynameispro20 heyy buddy i own a greco turkish friendship discord server if you want to join send me your account

Excellent video ! The Greeks are the most fascinating ethnic group in history. We can’t wait for more 🙏🏼

"Macedonia, is of course a part of Greece" -Stravo Geography Book 7, Fragment 9 (circa 7bc -23 ad)

Why the hell Macedonia is portrayed on the first map as different area from rest of Greece ????

I don't understand this "persistence" of separating Greece and Macedonia in maps and generally. Macedonia was part of Greece, a Greek region. Is this so hard to understand? Don't get confused with, for example, English history in which Scotland is something separate from England.

@vonbalt4891

2 жыл бұрын

Previous to the hellenistic period of Alexander the main Greeks did consider Macedonians as semi-barbarians, it was only after the conquests of Alexander than that status started to change with the influence Macedon achieved in main Greek society.

@Talos1986

2 жыл бұрын

@@vonbalt4891 True. So? The southern Greeks had the same view for the Epirote Kingdom. Does this mean that Epirotes were not Greeks? Of course no. This was ancient propaganda because they did not like Macedonian hegemony. Even today, in Greece, we call some people "Vlachoi" which means "boorish" or "barbarian".

@vonbalt4891

2 жыл бұрын

@@Talos1986 Indeed, i've been corrected about this already in other comments :P, it's hard sometimes to separate factual truth from personal agendas of people who had the luck of their writtings surviving the centuries

Plato: [The Greeks were never politically unified before the rise of Rome, yet they succeeded in spreading and maintaining a common culture around the Mediterranean sea 'like frogs around a pond"]

why would you split Greece and kingdom of macedon in two? either its one under the name of greece or you split it in kingdoms and city-states.

@OLYMPIANgreek

2 жыл бұрын

He has low iq

@estelew9496

2 жыл бұрын

Maybe because macedon had different language, culture and tradition

@SebastianAlvarez-hh2fu

2 жыл бұрын

@@estelew9496 I think you should leave the alternative history books on the shelf, and open op a more sophisticated history book.

@SebastianAlvarez-hh2fu

2 жыл бұрын

Nice try, but it´s wrong translation. Find better sources

@SebastianAlvarez-hh2fu

2 жыл бұрын

@@Syllaeus Please tell me why, I should waste my time to educate you? google it.

Why is Macedonia shown as a different entity from Greece?

@OLYMPIANgreek

2 жыл бұрын

He has low iq

@randomguy6152

Жыл бұрын

because it was

@nerdybacon6244

Жыл бұрын

@@randomguy6152 No it wasn't

@resentfuldragon

Жыл бұрын

@@nerdybacon6244 it was politically separate from the rest of greece and didn't operate on the same way of ruling. Its culture and people were definitely greek, but they were more of a great kingdom than a citystate like most other greeks. They also had elements of uniqueness since they were on the border of the greek world so they had some elements of other cultures mixed in. the greeks themselves used to distinguish the macedonians from themselves, while the macedonians didn't distinguish them and the other greeks. Also they were more important in world history due to how they changed the culture of so many places.

@xdx2653

Жыл бұрын

@@randomguy6152 no it wasnt,coz sparta,athens,corinth,thebes etc all was like macedonia.all cities were spoken greek language but all were enemies when they didnt fought the persians

Byzantium which the city of Constantinople would one day built on was founded by the ekristes Byzas. He was believed to have been the son of King Nisos of Megara, who after consulting the Oracle of Delphi sent Byzas to find and settle; "the land opposite the city of the blind". It was also around this time Megara was looking for sites to set up new colonies. So in essence Megara was the metropolis of Byzantium and later Constantinople.

@leobelleobel2007

2 жыл бұрын

byzantium is founded by Byzas this is the known story but latest excavations showed that there in another ancient city goes back to earlier time even before greek colonization more over kurgan type burial grounds are dicovered which means this people are probably from northern steppes. So this is also leads that Byzantium is not founded by Byzas but conquered by Byzas

A small clarification. It is at least provocative to present Macedonia as a separate part of the rest of ancient Greece, while the same is not done with the other city-states e.g. Sparta, Athens. We all know that ancient Macedonia was a Hellenistic state, such as Thebes, Argos and Corinth, Sparta and Athens. By separating it on the map, you are probably questioning something like that. After all, this is a key condition of the Prespa agreement: "There is an explicit clarification that the citizens of the country (North Macedonia) are not related to ancient Hellenic civilization that previously inhabited the northern regions of Greece. Specifically, Article mentions that both countries acknowledge that their respective understanding of the terms "Macedonia" and "Macedonian" refers to a different historical context and cultural heritage. When reference is made to Greece, these terms denote the area and people of its northern region, as well as the Hellenic civilization, history and culture of that region. When reference is made to the Republic of North Macedonia, these terms denote its territory, language and people, with their own, distinctly different, history and culture. (Article 7, Prespa Agreement)

I'd be really excited to learn more about the rise and fall of the mythical Greek city of Sybaris in Calabria, which later became Thuri and then Copia (Roman city). Unfortunately, almost there isnt much to be found in the original site due to the cities "sinking into the ground", and also because there are 3 cities "stacked" on top of each other... The city's existence barely survives recognition in present day, despite being known as one of the most decedent cities of her time, thereby creating the phrase "living like a Sybarite" which means living excessively in luxury and pleasure. There is also hardly any publications about this, but considering its importance as the start of the Isthmic way (the land migratory path across Calabria) which likely to have contributed to the eventual founding of Naples, I think Sybaris deserves more studying and historical recognition

Is very misleading and kinda weird for someone that claims to know well the history, that Macedonia is depicted with a different color and borders from the rest of ancient Greek states, as it was something different. This is completely false, as ancient Macedonia was nothing different than another greek kingdom, with the same language and civilization like all the rest city states and greek kingdoms of the ancient era. Lydia, on the other hand, was of a different civilization and language and is correctly depicted as such.

@manosveisakis8030

2 жыл бұрын

Πεστα γτχμ

@Lil.Grandpa

2 жыл бұрын

Even if they had some slight differences, they were considered semi-barbaric.

@vonbalt4891

2 жыл бұрын

Previous to the hellenistic period of Alexander the main Greeks did consider Macedonians as semi-barbarians, it was only after the conquests of Alexander than that status started to change with the influence Macedon achieved in main Greek society.

@ganoyan

2 жыл бұрын

Your statement is full-stupid. There wasn't anything like "semi-barbaric". There was barbaric or not and definitely Kingdom of Macedon was nothing less than another Greek state, that was fighting between them. You can measure the stupidity of your comment by simply putting for example Sparta in place of Macedon. They were also arch enemies for many other greek city states. Does this make them "semi-barbaric"??

@giannis.ioannidis.1995

2 жыл бұрын

@@vonbalt4891 That was mostly Athenian propaganda of the time in order to undermine the rising Macedonian state's status within the Greek world.

Greek history always amazes me! Good video K&G keep it up!

Awesome video! And with a great tie in to the Alexander series! We can clearly see that there was no randomness in Alexander's founding and naming of cities. He clearly was not just focused on feats of Homeric Glory, but wanted to be the most famed and prolific Ekistes in all of history, and follow in the footsteps of his hero and ancestor, Heracles. It's impossible to forget a person who is worshipped as founding hero across the world.

This is hands down the greatest channel on you tube. I have been a huge history fan my whole life, I studied it at Uni and I could read about it and watch it all day. This channel is the most amazing resource. My hat goes off to all who are involved with the channel. Thank you all so much for all the research and the wonderful videos.

Greeks where honestly the best group of people in history for me they knew how to travel, build cities and most importantly kick ass.

@Aminkhan786

Жыл бұрын

HARD disagree. the Arab/muslims, Persians, Egyptian?!?. How did they kick ass when they lost territory to those group of peoples and especially when turkey is bossing them around now

@ninjaa6952

Жыл бұрын

@@Aminkhan786 Persians got flattened by the greeks at every turn so did the egyptions who where conquered by Alexander. Arab/Muslims where eventually conquered and defeated by colonial european powers as where the Turks who's empire was destroyed by Britain.

@ninjaa6952

Жыл бұрын

@@Aminkhan786 Turkey was bossed around for 10 consecutive wars by the russians and people in the balkans as was persia who was defeated by Russia and occupied during the world wars.

@Aminkhan786

Жыл бұрын

@@ninjaa6952 Persians have conquered Greece many times as did the Islamic armies hecne way constinaople was called Istanbul which is in europe. Greece is now a poor and powerless state and the country is now subject to Turkish bullying.

@Aminkhan786

Жыл бұрын

@@ninjaa6952 10 consecutive war? sources

Why Greece and Macedonia are separated and why it's in the map such a country as ''Greece''?

@OLYMPIANgreek

2 жыл бұрын

He has low iq

It's really interesting to compare ancient greek colonisation to modern (19th) colonialism. It actually was a very diffrent process.

The art direction for this channel has always been great but it really is just getting better and better as well as more frequent. Amazing job

Curious as to why “Macedonia” is shown as separate from the rest of Greece. It was a Greek city state. You guys need to correct that. Thanks.

@thewindywindandtherainyrai2996

Жыл бұрын

Macedonia was not Greek state.

@comingafteryou5352

Жыл бұрын

Greek kingdom

sorry but why did you put Macedonia and Greece separate?because macedonia is greek and whe know this through history an d historical and ancient discoveries and from ancient sources

@christineperez7562

Жыл бұрын

Right all you have to do is read books from Greek's themselves.

@Hellenic_Empire

Жыл бұрын

@@christineperez7562 Wdym? Should I explain that Maceodnia is a Greek word? It's capital was Pella, Greek word btw, currently in Greek hands? Alexander, AND his father (Filippos) had Greek names? They spoke Greek? Aristotle tutored Alexander? In the territories he conquered, did you know there's still some small Western Indian villages thar still speak ancient Gresk and love Alexander?

Nice video! A small but important detail: the Orange coloured on the map depicts greek city srates and the green the Macedonian kingdom. Those Macedonians were greeks for sure

@ub3rfr3nzy94

2 жыл бұрын

Macedon formed a sort of seperate kingdom/empire so i think that's why. it was obv a greek kingdom though.

@panayotisbikas9331

2 жыл бұрын

its obvious because the slavs was there already xD

@user-nz1eu8cz1d

2 жыл бұрын

@@ub3rfr3nzy94 so the name of Greece had to be omitted too because there was not unified country but many democratic oligarchic,or tyrannic regimes or even kingdoms in this area.

@vonbalt4891

2 жыл бұрын

Previous to the hellenistic period of Alexander the main Greeks did consider Macedonians as semi-barbarians, it was only after the conquests of Alexander than that status started to change with the influence Macedon achieved in main Greek society.

@user-nz1eu8cz1d

2 жыл бұрын

@@vonbalt4891 they were accepted to participate in the Olympic Games,they had greek names,gods and language and their kings claimed their roots to Heracles,so what a politician of Athens said for achieving his political goals is irrelevant.

Visual aids are such an incredibly helpful guide for things like this. I remember learning this in school and not understanding how the Greeks made it all the way to modern day France, Italy, Egypt, Libya and Tunis, Turkey and the Levant. But when you see how they sailed around the Mediterranean, it just seems so obvious.

@flashbeaster

2 жыл бұрын

geography and maps, thats all it took

@JawsOfHistory

2 жыл бұрын

@@flashbeaster Let me just go back in time and be my own teacher

As a Greek I want to thank you for your objective work over our ancient history, something that we weren’t really taught in schools in that extend. From the time I’ve discovered your channel, I’ve learnt so many things about history! Keep up the good work!!!

@hermespsychopompos8267

2 жыл бұрын

Man, in school it's impossible to cover our entire history, especially when combined with world history.

@irollneed

2 жыл бұрын

@@hermespsychopompos8267 indeed! Although I believe as in many parts of the world, history is being taught differently from the real facts most of the times.

The map is simply wrong...I dont see why Macedonia is different from Greece and why it has this borders since in the era of Greek Colonization 900-700 Β.C Macedonia was a very small kingdom in the area of modern Pieria.

I always wanted to know more about this. Great video K & G!

It’s absolutely incredibly how far the Greeks were able to go and document - Pytheas of Massalia travelled to or was able to describe Britain, Ireland, Iceland and even the Arctic! He was quite unflattering about just how miserable Britannia and Ireland were though 😂

@philipampofo6435

2 жыл бұрын

If you had told the Romans and Greeks that that island would grow into the worlds most eminent military and scientific nation...they would have laughed.

@resentfuldragon

Жыл бұрын

@@philipampofo6435 then tell them its neighbor, germany which was considered barbarian by ancient greece, would be its greatest rival at its height.

@philipampofo6435

Жыл бұрын

@@resentfuldragon would be the world leader in science and technology before the war. The Germanics were probably considered even more backward.

@resentfuldragon

Жыл бұрын

@@philipampofo6435 yeah, the germans were hated by the ancient greeks. They wouldn't be able to believe they would have been able to surpass them and invade them in the second world war.

@ckomit

Жыл бұрын

I believe Scotland was named by the Greeks meaning darkland from Σκότος scotos Dark, though not entirely sure.

Next how the greeks colonized the black sea

This was fascinating! I'm surprised I knew so little about this! I would love more videos on some of these colonies and really just ancient Greece in general. Thank you! Stay well out there everybody, and God bless you friends! :)

The world own soo much to the Greek civilisation .Our western culture is their Greek heritage

@Aminkhan786

Жыл бұрын

They also owe islamic/Arab/Persian civilization even more!

@RichardEdwards40

Жыл бұрын

@@Aminkhan786 NEVER put persian and arab culture together. Persians are indo-europeans and related to greeks and other europeans. Arabs are just some desert camel herders..

@RichardEdwards40

Жыл бұрын

@@Aminkhan786 Muslim philosopher Ibn Khaldun (d. 1406) described the Arabs of his time (let alone those from Muhammad’s more primitive era eight centuries earlier) as “the most savage human beings that exist. Compared with sedentary people they are on a level with wild, untamable animals and dumb beasts of prey. Such people are the Arabs.”appreciated the parallels. After portraying Arabs as “wild, untamable (animals) and dumb beasts of prey,’ he wrote, “In the West, the nomadic Berbers... are their counterparts, and in the East, the Kurds, the Turkomans, and the Turks.” In short, “if taking lives and ravaging the lands of the infidel were the means by which the ends of expanding Islam were served, then the new [Turkic] converts’ traditional pleasures were now happily endowed with a pious rationale,” he writes.

These maps, man... Firstly, Macedon is part of Greece. Secondly, Macedonia in the 6th century BC (when Lydia conquered the Greek colonies in Asia Minor, as shown in the map) controlled little more of Pieria and Emathia, which in the map is being greatly exaggerated. Just some insight that I believe to be helpful.

@user-ln8eh5nq3q

2 жыл бұрын

I think they did that because makedon had not established colonies and he wasn't a city state or league of cities

@christermi

2 жыл бұрын

@@user-ln8eh5nq3q Epirus didn't either, nor did Thessaly. There is no excuse; it's an obvious mistake.

@perseusarkouda

2 жыл бұрын

@@christermi Mistake? It's obvious propaganda. They look more like modern borders and fitting inside the non Greek Macedonia bs. Unacceptable from an hypothetically history channel.

@user-ln8eh5nq3q

2 жыл бұрын

@@christermi ελπίζω να έγινε καταλάθος και να μην ήταν επιτηδευμενο

@christermi

2 жыл бұрын

@@user-ln8eh5nq3q προφανώς και είναι επιτηδευμένο, όπως είπε και ο συμπατριώτης μας από πάνω. Απλά στο comment μου δεν θέλησα να το θέσω έτσι.

i am interested in chess a bit, and i know there was in history of chess great player called Gioachino Greco from Calabria (aka Greco), i always thought he was italian, but after this movie i am pretty sure of his greek origin lol, he left first written records of chess games (XVII c) , i've studied some of them , amazing stuff.

Love your videos. I think you’re one of the best history KZread channels and your graphics are some of the best

Great documentary, thank you Kings and Generals Team!

Could you do a video on the Austronesian expansion, emerging from mainland Southeast Asia to eventually settling the Pacific?

@nicholaspalmer892

2 жыл бұрын

That would be really cool considering most of them came from Taiwan

@nunyabiznes33

2 жыл бұрын

@@nicholaspalmer892 I heard it's likely that the initial wave moved from mainland to Taiwan and then down, based on linguistics with other waves going through continental SEA.

@nicholaspalmer892

2 жыл бұрын

@@nunyabiznes33 I agree, just saying they came from mainland Southeast Asia leaves the opportunity for people to forget the stepping stone of Taiwan entirely

Very interesting video! I’ve always wondered about how Greek colonization worked and why it was so prevalent compared to other civilizations of the time.

As Greek I freaking love this channel !!!!

@davidnavarro391

2 жыл бұрын

Thats a cool name 😎.

@MrArgy333

2 жыл бұрын

@@davidnavarro391 "Thanos" is a diminutive of the first name "Athanasios - Αθανάσιος" which comes from the Greek word "αθάνατος" which translates to "immortal".

@geokon3

2 жыл бұрын

@@davidnavarro391 I was impressed too when I realized a Marvel hero had a common Greek nickname 😆

@diasporamazi

Жыл бұрын

Amen to that!

@user-td8ct9cy7e

4 ай бұрын

Το οποιο καναλι παρουσιαζει την Ελλάδα και την Μακεδονία ξεχωριστά.

Great video as always. You mention it correctly but in the map you should write "Greek city states" and "Macedonia". Greece or better the "Greek/hellenistic world" as a whole includes Macedonia and probably thats why you have Macedonia in the map.

@billyaepicgamer8642

2 жыл бұрын

Eh. I think the distinction is fine. Take my like anyway. Despite the Hellenization of the region, Historians separate them because: -The royals were Greek but their subjects were more diverse. They were on the edge of the Greek world afterall. -Macedonia became the big daddy of Greece. This alone justifies it. -Their political strucutre was different than their southern neighbors. Conclusion: The debate isn't as mutually exclusive as angry nationalists make it sound. If anything, K&G's biggest mistake was showing Greece as one entity instead of several city states.

@Thessaloz

2 жыл бұрын

@@billyaepicgamer8642 Its a theory about royals and their subjects, in reality all we know for sure is that they were including in the hellenistic world, they took part in olympic games (because they were Greeks), had the same religion, they wrote/speak in Greek as we can see from their monuments etc etc. The political strucutre of Sparta and Athens was different too, that doesn't make them less Greeks. And they hated each other and often dominated each other too.

Herodotus: Macedonians were Dorians. Dorians were Greek tribe that includes Spartan people ,cretans etc

Why this video's map on Macedonia looks like a modern propaganda map theory? Macedonians were ancient Greeks also, Herodotus himself wrote about how the Macedonian Kings considered themselves Hellenes and as a part of the rest of the Hellenic world. When you are including all the ancient Greek tribes in a single map and you present it as 'Greece' then you shouldn't leave out the ancient Macedonians just because of their political conflicts with some of the other Greeks like the Athenians.

@vonbalt4891

2 жыл бұрын

Previous to the hellenistic period of Alexander the main Greeks did consider Macedonians as semi-barbarians, it was only after the conquests of Alexander than that status started to change with the influence Macedon achieved in main Greek society.

@Day-wm7nn

Жыл бұрын

@@vonbalt4891 That's so wrong on so many levels, I literally have seen u copy pasting this nonsense again and again

The art in this video is gorgeous. Favorite part of the video honestly.

For those saying that Macedonia wasn't Greek I want to remind you that Philip was the man that had the idea of united Greece and his son Alexander the great was the one that achieved his idea

@StavrosKlonis1

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheColombiano89 How do you know they were not Greeks? Is there any proof?

@christermi

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheColombiano89 bro are you serious? It's an undoubted fact that the Macedonians are Greeks. How stupid can you be to argue with facts? Have you bothered googling the answer beforehand?

@tg1095gr

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheColombiano89 battles between the Greeks was not something rare. The Athenians also conquered several greek cities. So dit the Spartans. The Myceneans before them. It is called hegemony. Actually the greeks considered themselves as diefferent self-determined states under one nation and religion. Reading history is cool. But you havent read it as it seems..

@VladTevez

2 жыл бұрын

@UCE0YjYUr2ktNOY3d9ZF91dQ Of course Macedonians spoke Greek as a mother language, followed Greek religion, had Greek names and Greek culture. Their political system was old-fashioned, but many other Greek had kings during classical times and before. So no, no comparison with Romans

@ub3rfr3nzy94

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheColombiano89 We literally know for a fact that Macedon was founded by greeks who colonised and pushed out the thracians from that land.

Well, tbh I don't think K&G had any propagandistic intention when showing the kingdom of Macedon, separated from rest of Greece... Afterwards, they had covered this topic multiple times in previous vids...I just believe that the true reason they did this separation is that Macedon by the time of first colonization was considered a backward, trivial and semi-barbaric kingdom in the edge of the Greek world which didn't participate in the colonisation...I believe that what they should have done, is describing Southern Greece as "Greek city- states" rather than "Greece" to avoid misunderstandings...

I think the misconseption about the greek world is to place it only on mainland Greece, but Greece at that time was also in Anatolia (and actually places like Izmir were still basically greek cities until the 20th century). I think it would be better to picture Greece as a bridge between the western european world and the easter world. So in the map shown, I would have added also the turkish coast as Greece (what was Troy after all if not a sort of "greek" city in Anatolia?)

@begdillikhaan4674

2 жыл бұрын

Izmir was definitely not a Greek City till the 20th Century

@begdillikhaan4674

2 жыл бұрын

@@Francesco3255 MIKE TYSON I AM YOUR BIGGEST FAN, BEST BOXER EVER

@perseusarkouda

2 жыл бұрын

@@begdillikhaan4674 Olympic games were held in Smyrna in 196BC. Pikachu face?

@begdillikhaan4674

2 жыл бұрын

@@perseusarkouda 🤣🤣🤣

@begdillikhaan4674

2 жыл бұрын

@@perseusarkouda There is no smyrna its called Izmir.

Great job on another video, K & G!

Interesting to see this channel shift from military history to history in general-and appropriate; wars have contexts. Video suggestion: how about a comparison of Greek expansion to Phoenician?

Why is Makedonia not shown as a part of Greece, Makedonia is Greek! Alexander was Greek!!!

@TheMaltesefalcon204

2 жыл бұрын

And here it comes

@Phaedon53

2 жыл бұрын

Clickbait.

@thesoundinyourhead1782

2 жыл бұрын

And here we understand how f@cked up is the world where everyone can claim to be anything and if aling his interests with other big countries, can achieve its goal. I am talking about the importance this country has for Nato. A slavic nation that its people came 7 centuries after in the region with Bulgarian language that was brainwashed by Germany before ww1 and after with Hitler in order to become his a puppet state claim to be descendants of Macedonia. Even though they signed and agreed on the treaty of Prespes they have not any relationship with ancient Macedonia, the damage has been created long time ago.

@MrGentilushi

2 жыл бұрын

Ancient Macedonians & Epirotes were Greek shoot-offs, not 100% Greeks as they mixed a lot with Thracians, Illyrians . Same can be said for Anatolian, Trojan and Sicilian kingdoms which had local population Hellenized but where counted as part of the "Hellenistic World"

@themisargyros1528

2 жыл бұрын

@@MrGentilushi thracians are Greeks and they were Greeks in ancient times look at ancient abdera and marwnopoli and kallipoli all Greek

First of all there is no something like unified Greece back then.There was only city states and why Macedonia is like something else it was a Hellenic tribe like the other cities,if you want to be accurate just separate all the cities states

I'd like to visit 💼and film🎥 all above mentioned places as they feature so many ancient gems!💖💗💚 Thank you for a great video!🙀👍

@shantirelaxingmusic5285

2 жыл бұрын

Can't wait!

This guy's a machine! It takes me a full week just to make a 10 min video

@MrArgy333

2 жыл бұрын

It is a whole team that produces these videos.

Why do you show Macedonia on the map separately to Greece? Macedonia was a part of the ancient Greek world and was created earlier during the Greek colonisation by Greek tribes.

@smefour

2 жыл бұрын

Macedonians were considered barbarian by the Greeks, a foreign people

@VladTevez

2 жыл бұрын

@@smefour Macedonians were considered barbarian by Demosthenes, for political reasons, who himself had a barbarian mother

@RandomlyGeneratedUsername

2 жыл бұрын

They were not widely accepted as Greeks by the other Greek states. They were, for example, not allowed to compete in the Olympics. Philip II who participated had to reference his non-Macedonian Greek heritage to get in, and held considerable sway over the city states at the time. The time of these colonies was hundreds of years before this.

@Aristotelis_Hellas

2 жыл бұрын

@@RandomlyGeneratedUsername Wrong. Even the father of Alexander the Great, Philip II, participated.

@VladTevez

2 жыл бұрын

@@RandomlyGeneratedUsername No. They were allowed to compete in the Olympics and any other Panhellenic Games.

Would love to see a video on Trebizond and The Crimean Principality of Theodoro!!!!!!!

Much of Sicily and what is now Turkey, as well as Alexandria in Egypt, are among the many places settled by the Greeks.

Nicely done! Is that the "Epitaph of Seikilos" iplaying in the background?

Damn, i was just thinking Kings and Generals should do something on this subjects. I love you guys!

can you explain why you have greece and macedonia separate?macedonia was greek just like pelloponissos or thessaly.

@vonbalt4891

2 жыл бұрын

Previous to the hellenistic period of Alexander the main Greeks did consider Macedonians as semi-barbarians, it was only after the conquests of Alexander than that status started to change with the influence Macedon achieved in main Greek society.

Your map does not show that the Ancient Greeks established colonies in Sicily. Also, the colonies located on the shores of the Black Sea were valuable in growing and shipping much needed wheat, wine and timber to the mainland Greek city states. The timber was especially needed for the construction of Greek war triremes that were instrumental in their naval victory against the Persians in the battle of Salamis

Great job Ks and Gs! Thank you.

Probably my favourite parts of the channel are the greek history ones

Amazing and fascinating video especially that is about Greece, the mother of all Europeans. Thanks for sharing.

@ali_xhan

2 жыл бұрын

@@erkutkoksal1913 go back to Mongolia

@ali_xhan

2 жыл бұрын

@Gigachad yes salami malekum

@thesoundinyourhead1782

2 жыл бұрын

@@erkutkoksal1913 in every video you see these typical Mongols along with some Albanians and slavs that believe they are Macedonians to spread their propaganda. Your country is not even 10% populated by turkic but you still learn you come from steppes and Altaic mountains meanwhile you are just a bunch of islamized turkified Anatolians mixed with greeks kurds armenians. persians Georgians, and you dare to speak?

@dulaman9791

2 жыл бұрын

I wouldnt call greece the mother of modern europeans, only because at a certain point northern and central european royals decided that greek culture was cool but they adopted it in a yt supremacist kind of way. Like the fact that they thought that greek statues and temples were white amd therefore white was considered superior, while in reality they were brightly colored (something that this video fail to mention)

@ali_xhan

2 жыл бұрын

@@thesoundinyourhead1782 I'm albanian and I don't support that shitty propaganda

Thanks for another great video!

Excelente contenido ✨👍🏼.

Macedonia was part of Greece 🇬🇷🔆

@MrAizatazmi

2 жыл бұрын

I thought macedon was hellenize barbarian tribes

@Aristotelis_Hellas

2 жыл бұрын

@@MrAizatazmi even the Macedonian kings were Greeks...!

@zeys1225

2 жыл бұрын

@@MrAizatazmi they were Dorian Greeks not barbarians

@smefour

2 жыл бұрын

@@Aristotelis_Hellas They had Greek taught to them as part of their education

@perseusarkouda

2 жыл бұрын

@@MrAizatazmi They weren't Greek but they spread the Hellenic civilization more than any Greek. OK!

Remind me pls why on the map you divide Macedonia from the rest of Greece?I am gonna need a responsible answer about it.

yooo great content btw!

Lovely video! Thank you!

Macedonia shouldn't have different colour from the rest of Greece.

@nindew21Laughyourassoff

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheColombiano89 they aren’t though, they are just a kingdom

@manolisbach2380

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheColombiano89 ignorant

@gameofthegame4349

2 жыл бұрын

@@cavemancyproductions Exactly ...

@ninjaa6952

2 жыл бұрын

@@gameofthegame4349 so true this going argument that macedon isn't Greek is weird considering alexander started the Persian campaign for revenge. Even if people want to say they are different in terms of kingdoms they are still both Greek I bit you if it was sparta leading the Greek charge against persia they'd say well actually the Spartans weren't Greek lol.

@typicalperson6389

2 жыл бұрын

They were Hellenic but not exactly Greek

Congratulations for your nice video. Nevertheless, the map leaves the impression that Macedonia is something different from Greece, which of course is wrong. As it is known, after WW2 the communist regime of Yugoslavia created a false macedonian nation, in order to cut many people from their bulgarian roots and to claim Macedonia, which of course is the northern part of Greece. Scientifically there is no doubt that the ancient Macedonians were Greeks, therefore you should aknowlegde the mistake on your map. We must leave politics and propaganda out of History.

@alexvlaxos6620

2 жыл бұрын

For some reason they very much want to give that impression. All Macedonian names were Greek,their Gods and customs,with clues hundrends of years before Greek colonisation and culture expansion.Doesnt matter! Its very clear that macedonians and epirots kept the tribal king style of old,but for this channel is like speaking chinese. Its the only reason i dont support this channel which i really like

YES MORE VIDEOS!!! I loved them!

As always, great