How the Florida recount nearly broke US politics - and its lessons for today
It was 249 v 246 on election night and it all came down to one state: Florida.
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The networks said Al Gore had won it, then it was too close to call, then George W. Bush had won it - before rowing back once more.
The Florida recount saw American democracy tested to the limits, showing an electoral college v popular vote split, leaving the parties and the country divided for years to come.
We speak to George W. Bush’s trial lawyer, Barry Richard, along with The Washington Post’s Karen Tumulty and Protect Democracy’s Jon Steinham.
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A hand recount is clearly the Most accurate way to get the correct figures. Usually it's not necessary because the result is clear, but in this case it was close enough that small errors could change the result. How could the SC decide that it's unfair to hand recount? That makes no sense.
@ayoubt4507
Жыл бұрын
5 judge who voted to stop were rep when the other 4 were democrats so ..
Imagine how different the world might be had Gore won in 2000...
@nateshini5832
3 жыл бұрын
No Iraq war, no rise of Isis, well on the way to fighting climate change to name a few things.
@olivermoore7020
3 жыл бұрын
@@nateshini5832 No Iraq war for sure. As for flighting climate change, I imagine Gore would have had a tough time trying to pass any radical environmental legislation through the US system (think about how Obama struggled to get very basic health care reforms through). Though we would probably be in a better situation to where we are now.
@shamanahaboolist
3 жыл бұрын
The same. Bush and Gore are really the same team.
@bigceazer
3 жыл бұрын
there still would of been a war, just not in Iraq. 9/11 still would of happened and he would of had no choice but to go to war. him being president wouldn't of changed the outcome.
@olivermoore7020
3 жыл бұрын
@@bigceazer But as you say, no Iraq war. I agree that 9-11 and the invasion of Afghanistan would still be likely.
How is declaring a victor by a national media company before the polls have closed not illegal?! On what planet does that make sense?
@alexanderangelo7284
3 жыл бұрын
I understand your frustration, but they are private corporations they can call or not call whomever they want.
@noniyea9782
3 жыл бұрын
They call it the way it appears at the time. 🕊️
@Nichrysalis
Жыл бұрын
It was a different time. There's a reason why coverage nowadays doesn't get called until it's a mathematical certainty and this is why.
@adrianthoroughgood1191
Жыл бұрын
It is illegal in the UK. Polling companies are banned from releasing any results until after elections have closed. It's also illegal to release any info on any counting that has happened until after the election is closed.
@zsomborszigeti6797
Жыл бұрын
I am pretty sure it's illegal by now
My home state - the laughing stock of the world. Here we go again 2020
@jaimequayle3714
3 жыл бұрын
Oh don't worry, Florida doesn't need an election to be a laughing stock ;)
@cv507
3 жыл бұрын
laughing stock ... world ^ ^
@samarmisra4922
3 жыл бұрын
My home state Alabama is Florida's neighbor lol.
@sc666666
8 ай бұрын
Savior of the world in this case
@Distress.
6 ай бұрын
Not anymore.
We need an independent, nationalized elections bureau
@rclaughlin
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, but who can be trusted to run it? As Juvenal said, who guards the guards?
@albertcalleros9489
Жыл бұрын
Fortunately, there has long existed a politically neutral 'electoral commission' in Canada that administers parliamentary elections at the federal level. Each province maintains a politically neutral 'electoral commission' that administers parliamentary elections at the provincial level. Moreover the 'electoral commissions' at both the federal level and the provincial level are empowered to oversee the drawing of legislative boundaries without any undue political influence. Consequently, the extraordinarily egregious political practice of hyperpartisan gerrymandering in Canada is explicitly forbidden.
@Sparrows1121
Жыл бұрын
I will say, break away from two party establishment and go multiparty system with elected representatives. But the question is how to change a system without creating oligarch society the way it happend to Russia in the 90s
I’ve been predicting that this Election will be a lot like the 2000 Election
@acegarcia3719
3 жыл бұрын
It won't be like the 2000 election, it will be far worse and trubelent
@Normal_Boii
3 жыл бұрын
That war game where the dems call the UN to occupy the USA itself is terrifying
@priyamd4759
3 жыл бұрын
@@Normal_Boii Go slow on your medicines.
@Normal_Boii
3 жыл бұрын
@@priyamd4759 the dems were the ones who did it lol
@wilklikesmilk5371
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks everyone for the replies! It turned out that Joe Biden became the President-Elect which means he should become the 46th President and should take Office on January 20 2021
Republicans have to Rig Elections to win preferably by the Supreme Court!
I kinda wish Gore won
@Sol-fo2zu
Жыл бұрын
You’re in luck because he did!
@RyanFeatherston
11 ай бұрын
Yet he still simped like a coward.
@ashupashu5559
6 ай бұрын
@@RyanFeatherston for who
@RyanFeatherston
6 ай бұрын
@@ashupashu5559 I don't recall asking you anything.
The networks won't be talking during this election. The stakes are too high. No politician should ever concede. Just let them count the votes.
Very nice reportage, as usual, thanks!
"I don't think it really matters, the real result", what a son of a b....
Why does this man concluded "that no one question"
The popular vote means very little in the context of the electoral college system. So much for "we the people", it's more like, "we the sponsors".
basically we don't live in a true democratic country.
@suzyqualcast6269
3 жыл бұрын
Indeed...... You don't.
@4:32 Now its the norm..
A few more votes and the Iraq and Afghan war wouldn't of happened... Comes to show every single vote counts...
@adorabasilwinterpock6035
3 жыл бұрын
Afghan war wouldve still happened but not Iraq. So the world would have been a far better place without ISIS and so on
@XBR4Da
3 жыл бұрын
And we would be in a much better situation regarding climate change. If only...
@ButchE30M3S14
3 жыл бұрын
@@adorabasilwinterpock6035 Amen to that...
"critics say Trump could be shaping the narrative ahead of the election" Oh to be young again.
The hanging chad
Pronunciation - It's elEctoral, not electOral
"nearly"
why did they reelect bush why
Barry Richard HONESTLY thinks that it doesn’t really matters what the result would have been if the full recount had happened?!?! We could have had a different president, and most likely a completely different invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq! I was only 7 years old when this happened, and lived in extremely blue state of Connecticut at the time (and NOW I live it Florida where major voter suppression STILL exists in a variety of forms), and I’ve been majorly pissed off about the Supreme Court halting the full recount for 20 years!!! And now that I’ve been an active voter for almost 10 years...I’ve only seen the corruption and disenfranchisement in our electoral system grow out of control!!!
Reminder that Electoral College is garbage (:-(
@jeffzest8393
Жыл бұрын
How would you change? Popular vote would disenfranchise small states. Should we also forgo two senators from each state regardless of population?
Popular vote is the real will of the People not Electrons & Neutrons!
One thing you have to understand is the Florida republican party is the best branch in the country. While changing demographics, northern migration, and subruban shifts towards democrats they just keep finding ways to win and since 2018 have controlled all major statewide offices and a solid majority in the state legislature and house of representatives seats.
This Channel 4 News report is FOREIGN INTERFERENCE IN A U.S. ELECTION
@narcher91
3 жыл бұрын
Nope try again.
@fraserstewart7359
3 жыл бұрын
What you on mate
@dreampoptelevision9431
3 жыл бұрын
@@fraserstewart7359 Is Channel 4 News an American owned media outlet?
@dreampoptelevision9431
3 жыл бұрын
@Ynwa6 I'm not American
Gore genial
I was robbed
British media is one big fake news lie
The electoral college was designed to keep the United States together. Without it the more populous states would always decide who the president was. The calls to scrap it in favour of the overall electorate would mean that the East and West coasts would impose a president on the central and southern states. This would inevitably lead to calls from some states to secede. The problem is a fundamental one with federal government.
@suzyqualcast6269
3 жыл бұрын
Ta from a 🇬🇧 watcher for that explanation of a baffling situation.
The American founding fathers are right and no change should be done.
and then their was 2000 mules, how ironic.
@RyanFeatherston
11 ай бұрын
*There.
Do those Florida Cubans even know how to read, gosh they're so dumb!
If biden wins florida imma say he’ll win.
@samarmisra4922
2 жыл бұрын
Yet Biden lost FL and won the election at 303 beating Trump at 233ish
@Grason20
Жыл бұрын
Sorry for late answer: Biden won without Florida.
@Ultizer
7 ай бұрын
@@Grason20 printing ballots pays off.
Can we get an unbiased story? Where's the counter balance?
@RyanFeatherston
11 ай бұрын
JAQing off, I see...
I wish gore won in 2000 and trump won in 2020. As you see these close elections were not in my favor.
@make_me7459
2 жыл бұрын
Highly disagree with trump. Only difference is Gore lost by 500 votes in 1 state. Trump lost by 11,000 votes in multiple states.
MAKE AMERICA BLUE AGAIN~USA_USA_USA_ALL THE WAY~ BIDEN/HARRIS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@girtisholland
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, it’s going great isn’t it
TRUMP2020
Al Gore should have won 2000 Donald Trump should have won 2020
TRUMP 2020🇺🇸🇺🇸
@lucius1976
3 жыл бұрын
To prison
@bigceazer
3 жыл бұрын
@@lucius1976 to the white house. what crime has he committed?
@lucius1976
3 жыл бұрын
@@bigceazer Employing his family in gouvernment, paying almost zero income taxes, using gouvernment money to help is otherwise failing enterprises, using his power to influence justice investigations, publicly doubting he will recognize the result of the elections etc.
@bigceazer
3 жыл бұрын
@@lucius1976 last time i checked its not a federal crime to have family working in a presidential administration. JFK had his brother in his administration when he was president. its not a crime idiot. you know nothing about US law. paying almost zero income taxes again not illegal, no laws broken you've seen his tax returns. he would be in jail right now if it was. having concerns about a potential fraudulent election result doesn't warrant an arrest you schmuck. once again you know nothing about the justice system in my country.
Impeach President Biden.