Echo didn't even ask about Fives once ... NOT ONCE

@EpicCloneTrooper

2 ай бұрын

Unforgivable

@Roadblock213

Ай бұрын

He didn't need to rex told him what happened to fives during the episode on braca when they removed there chips

@TheSpaceCommunist

Ай бұрын

@@Roadblock213 And his reaction was a resounding "damn that's crazy bro" and nothing more

I love Echo so much, I think Echo would have been the most interesting to explore being outside the military. Everyone else ignored orders anyway, but Echo is literally named after his incessant repition of orders, I wish the show focused more on his perspective of losing that military structure

@joeiorio9654

3 ай бұрын

I never thought about that. I completely agree. The juxtaposition of a trooper who used to be by the book now fighting against the system would have been great to see

Similar to the Echo not asking about Fives. Did I miss Crosshairs finding out about Tech? Like Omega never tells him?

@joeiorio9654

3 ай бұрын

I genuinely don’t know. Either they’re waiting for Crosshair to ask where Tech is when they reunite and that’s the gut punch they’re waiting to give us, or Omega told him offscreen.

@MarcelaKPreininger

Ай бұрын

That was crazy. Same with Phee actually. I wanted to see them react and feel something when they found out, like Omega does

@_MaZTeR_

Ай бұрын

I know the comment is old, but I recall there's one part released in an episode since you left that one, where they imply Crosshair knows that Tech died. But it's pretty disappointing that happened off-screen and that he doesn't realize on screen that he essentially caused Tech to die with the message he sent from Tantiss.

@bluesilkdesigns

Ай бұрын

@@_MaZTeR_ ya I remember the episode. It was kinda anticlimactic. I think showing Crosshair's sadness or anger would've helped for his overall arc being back in the Bad Batch and wanting to get back at the Empire. Total missed opportunity

They just made him into an astromech😭he does anything R2 would’ve done which is honestly helpful but super limited since he’s an ARC trooper, should be utilized more in combat scenarios forsure

@joeiorio9654

3 ай бұрын

Ironic considering their actual droid was thrown to the wayside too

@eclipped

3 ай бұрын

@@joeiorio9654 dude right? If you mean AZ then that was the perfect opportunity to have a designated droid that EVERYBODY loved already😭

He has one chance to still shine this show if he helps Crosshair deal with his trauma. He seems perfect for that job because they went through a lot of similar pain. And it could explain why he's always so quiet.

It’s undeniable that Echo has been underused in The Bad Batch - removing any reaction to Fives’ death remains one the biggest examples of wasted potential throughout the show. However, I still think it has improved him as a character. Reflecting on The Clone Wars, he was only really given minimal development and his one trait of repeating orders (hence his name) but Bad Batch has added an extra dimension to him. We are consistently shown that his worldview differs from the rest of the squad, and his values rub off on Omega - with them both lobbying to go out of their way to help people in need when it isn’t required for them to do so. We see him change his views and let go of his prejudices when rescuing the Separatist senator in season 1. I’ve seen the argument that him leaving the squad midway through season 2 is evidence of the writers running out of ideas for him, but to me it’s always felt like a logical step in his character development. Since the beginning of the series he’s wanted to do more to help the other clones, so him joining Rex makes total sense. I’m not trying to say that Bad Batch had handled him perfectly - I still think season 1 did him dirty in some respects, my point is that Bad Batch has made him into far more of a character than he ever was in The Clone Wars.

@anonymousanonymous9587

3 ай бұрын

For christ sake PLEASE don't leave his story forever unfinished FOR CHRIST SAKE YOU CAN'T JUST PUT THIS MAN ON A BUS AND THEN END IT WITHOUT NOTING WHAT HAPPENS TO HIM.

@farfromregular

2 ай бұрын

I agree with you heavily on this. This is just a little tidbit but I wish he still kept his handprint design he used to have on his old uniform.

@anakinlowground5515

Ай бұрын

@@farfromregular wasn’t Fives the one with the handprint on his armor?

@CloneCommanderCrater1102

Ай бұрын

​@@anakinlowground5515 No, it was Echo who had the handprint. Fives had the Rishi Eel on his helmet.

I've said it many times and I'll say it again, the actual thing holding the show back is the Bad Batch themselves. All the episodes the focusing more on things that weren"t the Bad Batch like the Hera episodes, Crosshair with Cody then Mayday, and the Senator Chuci with Rex episode etc, were honestly better than the episodes focusing on the Bad Batch. To me this show does a better job exploring the questions of what happened to the galaxy after Order 66, how did it affect the people?, how did it eventually effect the clones?. This is why I think the show should've been called Order 66: AFTERMATH, that way we can focus more on the broader subject and more of the clones like Bacara, Neyo, Thire, Appo, Bly, Boil, Doom, Stone, Delta Squad, etc.

@joeiorio9654

Ай бұрын

I think it’s for them to be leads in it, but not have the plot revolve around just them. Maybe if like a third of the show was about the Squad

@Alpha-77

Ай бұрын

@@joeiorio9654 Either way I still think it somewhat takes away from something that could've been better because we've been dying to see what happened to many of these clones.

@neocomp92

24 күн бұрын

Their lack of focus and meandering towards side quests speaks of the writers room still infected with the "spaghetti on the wall" approach that guided TCW anthology writing. If they were honest in writing Omega as the *sole* focus character and trimmed out the fat, you could have condensed TBB to a season of 20-24 episodes. And yes, those episodes are interesting because you are watching something else other than Omega's orbit. Crosshair was interesting right up until Plan 88, and then he, like the rest of the squad decayed into boredom as his traits got assimilated into Omega. You could have written about the nature of loyalty and blind loyalty, his peculiar morality letting him be OK to kill at least two civilians, his relationship with his brothers *before* Order 66. And whilst the show "technically" did so, it was superficial and without soul.

As a writer, I would’ve wrote Echo the same as what Feloni & his team wrote him, but with some alterations. For starters, once Rex & the Bad Batch rescued him during the Clone Wars Season 7, his first line since the Citadel Arc is to ask Rex where is he, and where’s Fives. Rex responds to him by saying that Fives is gone, which would’ve left the ending a bit heartwarming & sad at the same time. Than, during Season 1 of the Bad Batch where Echo is just there, I would’ve added scenes in some episodes where Echo bonds with Omega just like with Hunter and later Crosshair, by having him & Omega have like a brother sister dynamic, compared to the father daughter dynamic Hunter & Omega sorta had, and later the grizzled uncle & niece relationship that Omega has with Crosshair. Personally, I feel like it made more sense if Echo had the closest bond with Omega, since like her, he was a newcomer serving as the little brother to the other Bad Batch members. This would’ve given their initial goodbye in Season 2 more baggage, as the audience would’ve felt emotionally attached to them since they enjoyed Echo & Omega’s sibling relationship in the first season. I also would’ve changed what Echo said after Rex mentioned Fives, by replacing it with him asking why Fives was killed. To which Rex would’ve explained his side of the events of the Fives Arc, which while it makes Echo feel even more sad Fives was killed because no one believed him… he’ll notice there’s some flaws according to Rex. Flash forward to Season 2, there would be more scenes in the early episodes where Echo interacts with AZ more. Since Echo wants to save more clones in this season, I think this would’ve been explained more if Echo actually explains his goal to save his brothers to AZ. AZ would ask why Echo wants to do it, to which Echo brings up what happened to him in Season 7 as well as the fact that his brother Fives tried to do the same by preventing Order 66 from happening, before he got killed. AZ gets so shocked that he reveals to Echo that he knew Fives, which would’ve been an even more shock to Echo, as Rex didn’t tell him the whole story. Just as soon as they were about to talk about the FIVES Arc, they get interrupted by Tech. It’s only in another early episode where Echo asks AZ about what happened to Fives. AZ would’ve recounted the events of the Fives Arc and why no one believed Fives himself. This would’ve been heartbreaking for Echo as he felt like he should’ve been there to aid Fives unlike everyone who didn’t believe him. He would’ve also felt guilty that the clone war could’ve ended sooner, if it weren’t for Fives preventing Order 66 from happening in the first place. I think this could’ve helped give Echo more character development as well as giving him more of a major role in the first season. What do you think.

@joeiorio9654

24 күн бұрын

Lowkey I wish Echo and AZI were the side characters in Ep 4 of Season 2, because Wrecker didn’t really add much to the racing subplot. If the B plot were just small scenes of Echo and AZI discussing Fives, I’d have loved that

also the fact that this dude has been through so much shit, Hell why didn't he ever mention fives or Anakin

@joeiorio9654

2 ай бұрын

ISTG if Vader shows up in the finale and he’s the one to kill Echo

@JonborgVA

2 ай бұрын

@@joeiorio9654 nah that would be to much fan service tbh, idk

@joeiorio9654

2 ай бұрын

@@JonborgVA Vader showing up isn’t entirely out of the question. The Batch are assaulting Palpatine’s prized experiment. If it’s at risk of being destroyed, he’s would definitely ask Vader to secure it

@JonborgVA

2 ай бұрын

@@joeiorio9654 true

Echo and Rex barely having any personal interaction in the series was a crime. But loving the season so far Also great job on the video, i just subbed because all your uploads are quality :)

they're STILL benching him in s3 and it's driving me crazy

@joeiorio9654

2 ай бұрын

No but Gregor needed to get picked up from work

@kedandunn

2 ай бұрын

@@joeiorio9654 it's kinda ridiculous at this point lol. Echo's been gone bc he's been with Rex, we finally get an episode where the Batch is with Rex and Echo just leaves? Like they have to be doing it on purpose but why??

If it was up to me he wouldn’t have been blown up. Instead Echo would have been in the whole show just like Fives. In the series finale he would have been the arc trooper that died not Jesse. I think the scene would have been even more heartbreaking if it was a clone we knew since the beginning.

Ha, I've never thought about that What drives me mad is that Echo is still not a commander or something like that He served the Republic twice And in the lunch room at 1st Episode in season 1 other clones had no respect of him After all those years of him being ARC trooper... Come on, no one cares about him like he doesn't exist 😢

@joeiorio9654

3 ай бұрын

Tbf Echo could have been a captain and they still would have mistreated him because of their inhibitor chips

@legardians

3 ай бұрын

@@joeiorio9654 He still deserves more :)

@CloneCommanderCrater1102

Ай бұрын

Not every clone gets promoted. Kix served in the 501st for nearly the entire war and never even made sergeant. Echo was at least promoted to corporal at some point.

They replaced my man Echo with a dog this season, smh

@joeiorio9654

Ай бұрын

Batcher is cool tho

Echo is among my top clones. He's always been one of my favorites, so it's been really tough for me to see him so underutilized. That Echo joke was legit PEAK comedy though, you're so right.

@joeiorio9654

3 ай бұрын

The real question is: does it make you wanna merge without looking?

@serballista

3 ай бұрын

@@joeiorio9654 not only did I merge without looking, I did it in a school zone & kept going.

@joeiorio9654

3 ай бұрын

@@serballista Did it make a fun Mario kart sound while you did it

@serballista

3 ай бұрын

@@joeiorio9654 actual WAHOO

This is exactly what I've been thinking ever since TBB season 1. In The Clone Wars S7 they made basically a whole arc about him not being dead, just used by the separatists in an incredibly tragic, cruel way, and then rescued to join the Batch, so it would seem he'd be an important part of a Bad Batch show but it turned out he was just... there, I guess, which is disapppointing honestly. After all he's a clone who's been there basically from the start of TCW, somewhat of an already established character and one many fans are gonna be at least a little bit fond of, it seems like a pretty obvious choice to focus on him a bit through things like exploring how the experience being captured impacted him, making him learn about Fives and deal with that loss, as well as showing him slowly working his way into that squad, finding his place and learning to adapt to their way of working quite different from what he was used to, his name coming from repeating orders he's been given after all. Overall, thank you for making this video and voicing what I think many Bad Batch/Clone Wars/Echo fans agree on - Echo was criminally underused for how much potential his character had. I don't think I'll ever stop being at least a bit bitter over it. My guy deserved better.

Ngl I literally forgot echo was a part of the bad batch in season 3. He has been underused this season.

2:29, pretty sure Echo has been told by this point. “It’s… still hard to believe now.” Implies Fives whole journey.

@joeiorio9654

Ай бұрын

I think he was referring to the chips

@keegan9901

Ай бұрын

@@joeiorio9654 well that was obviously part of it, but I get the vibe he knew about fives aswell

Bro honestly they made Echo into a completely different character than clone wars

@joeiorio9654

Ай бұрын

To be fair a lot of time had passed

@5roductionz1466

Ай бұрын

@@joeiorio9654 yeah but they basically turned him into a character with no personality. Almost like an NPC

@joeiorio9654

Ай бұрын

@@5roductionz1466 oh that’s fair

1:58 I'd like to say here that it's possible that AZ doesn't know Fives anymore after the whole chip incident. Fans figured that he was probably memory wiped, reprogrammed or scrapped since we never saw him again after Fives death. It's likely that his memory was wiped after those events just so there wouldn't be a threat to order 66.

@joeiorio9654

3 ай бұрын

That’s really gonna piss me off because the whole point of Fives saving him in the episode was so his memory wouldn’t have been wiped

@VipMike

Ай бұрын

Well ur writing this what if story made Me think you could do small writing projects keep it up! Clones strong together.

@ZyGuy

Ай бұрын

@@VipMike I am a writer myself but this did not come from me. This is a theory that people had of what happened to AZ way before The Clone Wars got Season 7

Its crazy because he is one of the longest standing clone characters. He's far and away my favorite and I was so frustrated when they wrote him out in s2 because for some reason they don't know what to do with him.

I'm a writer. Echo has far more potential then hunter or wrecker and they do nothing with him. I would just make him the main character and make a echo and rex show and forget the others.

@joeiorio9654

2 ай бұрын

If Echo lives, I need a show about him in Rex’s covert after this. Then again, we probably won’t be getting anything from SW animation for whole since their sect has been shut down

@balsasjekloca9308

2 ай бұрын

​@@joeiorio9654so they're shutting down the only branch that has been consistently putting out bangers... Why does Lucasfilm hate quality? Did it murder all their families or something?

@radarada001

2 ай бұрын

@@balsasjekloca9308I mean tales of the Jedi season 2 is confirmed. I wouldn’t be surprised if they also took on another project especially due to how well received it is by fans

@asizaart7457

Ай бұрын

100% agree, Echo should have actually been the main character of the show, not Omega, who basically just replaced him

Personally, i feel like Echo should have asked about fives, rex tells him, then we have a scene just before order 66 of echo looking through files about fives' death and Tup, and then talks to rex and ahsoka about how the war is almost over or something. Then, instead of Rex telling them to find fives, Echo manages to put 2 and 2 together.

Yeah the fact that Echo had never any closure to Fives' death and how he helped Rex also survive is a big mistake. There's that one line in the episode where they get the chips removed on the wrecked Venator, but that's about it. I'm sure they'll do that in some character stories mashup comic 10 years down the line, when everyone doesn't even care any more, but that's lame.

Fives and Tech are quite similar just because nobody asked what happened to them, not once

I really like Echo from Clone Wars and was hoping that he’d do more in this show. For the first season, he was a bit of a let down. But the second season gave him some good moments, especially leaving to help Rex. But we should have gotten an episode about his missions with Rex and his rebellion. Hopefully that happens in season 3 but I’m not too hopeful.

@joeiorio9654

3 ай бұрын

I agree! I would have loved an episode of him and Rex maybe rescuing Cody

I'd have to disagree, only 'cause we've been with Echo's story before. Him leaving to fight with Rex is the conclusion to his story.

The reason AZI never talks about fives and never will is because his memory was wiped, this was stated within the clone wars, I forgot which episode it was but I do remember the kaminoans telling fives that AZI was gonna have his memory wiped. This also means that AZI wouldn't remember fives.

@joeiorio9654

Ай бұрын

But that’s so sad I refuse to believe that’s the case

@faiqgamer3517

Ай бұрын

​@@joeiorio9654If the Kaminonas are willing to erase Fives' memory after Tup died, I doubt they would hesitate on a droid.

@thatrandmcat9874

Ай бұрын

@@joeiorio9654 It is sad, but it's the truth ;-;

FINALLY someone talks about him!! he was one of my favorite clones in TCW and I was devastated when they basically wrote him out after giving him like 0 spotlight time :(( I love Tech so much but they had him doing all the high-tech stuff despite Echo being a LITERAL CYBORG that could hack into everything! I thought he had potential when he seemed to be the "I know a guy" guy; maybe examine his close bond with Anakin as one of Anakin's clones, and the only one of them that was really networked into the clone army! He didn't need to be shoehorned into "robot" but instead examine the fact he would've been the most social and interconnected of the Bad Batch - how maybe how he lost that connection after being robotified... I have a lot of feelings and ideas on how he could've been handled.

In hindisight, it was overly generous to think that The Bad Batch was about CF99. It was always about the girl. Any character traits the Batch had was going to be passed down to Omega, rather than fleshed out as development for the character itself. In Echo's case, it was his loyalty and service to others that ultimately got Omega into the Rebellion. But as I said, Echo as a character was never meant to grow. There's that one glimpse of PTSD and his physical condition being Corbett and Rau's contribution to lip service towards real-life veterans (similar to how Tech is the token austistic character). But disregarding his TCW arc, you could have Howzer be in the Batch and have the same effect to the group as a whole when Echo was there. In fact, the writers are super allergic to any development outside of Omega. Tech got killed off and people spoke of his sacrifice in terms of the girl. But they seem to forget that his development in S2 was *independent* of Omega. Appreciating Serenno culture, the illegal race, possible romance with Phee, that didn't revolve around Omega's orbit. Similarly, Echo's fight for his brothers, his own trauma and past, those didn't involve her. Which was probably why the writers wrote them off...

@joeiorio9654

23 күн бұрын

That is certainly a take about Omega

Viewers: man youtube stuff is lame Star Wars Content: *Hello There!!!!*

I agree with echo staying with Rex in season 7 and have what you’re thinking of happen. Then when the Bad batch get into contact have Echo stay with them because during his time with Rex he feels like he doesn’t belong with them anymore ( like Hunter said to echo " if you feel you don’t belong with them come join us "). Then have him grow a bond with Omega since she’s the most welcoming member of the team and they get super close, either by being left out on missions or just feeling completely useless. Then Rex comes with the info about clones getting thrown out like trash and not liking it Echo joins back up with Rex to help his brothers.

Great Happy Ending Clone Rebellion next? ...

Absolutely they did.

1 and abit months later & this video is still very much true. I was really hoping we would get an Echo & Rex centric episode because we did get episodes focusing on Crosshair but we didn't. I don't think they will kill Echo off meaning that they might continue his story in a new show hopefully a Rex & Echo spin-off (depending on how The Bad Batch ends) So far this season the best episodes have been the episodes focusing on the Clone Rebellion & Tantiss

This show is just the pinnacle of wasted potential

@joeiorio9654

3 ай бұрын

I wouldn’t go that far. There are a lot of wasted characters, but I’d say 70% of the show has been handled well

@mercenarydelta7351

3 ай бұрын

​@@joeiorio9654exactly. Besides, season 3 is still young, so we might have some Echo moments there, considering he's the squad's second technician due to his droid parts.

@joeiorio9654

3 ай бұрын

@@mercenarydelta7351 I’m honestly loving S3 so far

agreed!

Completely agree

@joeiorio9654

2 ай бұрын

Gonk

i hate how they threw him into the final few episodes just so the audience has to stress abt him as well

@joeiorio9654

Ай бұрын

Tbf he kinda kicked ass this episode

We ate good with these last three

@joeiorio9654

Ай бұрын

They caught me off guard with how much Echo did

Great video!

@joeiorio9654

2 ай бұрын

Omg it’s the spinny Lego head guy

Omega & crosshair are some of your fave characters in Star Wars? Jesus Christ this is the reason disney keeps turning out slop like this, because folks will just latch onto whatever trash they see.

@joeiorio9654

Ай бұрын

I’m sorry I have a better opinion than you

Unfortunately, this is true. Hunter, Tech, Wrecker and Crosshair are great characters but the way Echo's character was wasted in this show makes me sad. The second season gave a perfect opportunity for its development. An episode with him and Rex saving the clones, in which he mentioned his former squad, would have been cool, but unfortunately it didn't happen. I thought that in season 3 he would at least replace most of Tech's duties, but now Omega doesn't even mention him. I have the impression that this will not change and when he returns this season, he will simply die quickly and that's it.

Uhhh, golly.

@joeiorio9654

2 ай бұрын

Gorsh

This aged like milk

@joeiorio9654

Ай бұрын

Hey at least he lived

@sicksadworld765

Ай бұрын

@@joeiorio9654 and kicked ass

@joeiorio9654

Ай бұрын

@@sicksadworld765 hell yea he did

He lost alot of his personality over the years and he is half robot so

@joeiorio9654

3 ай бұрын

I mean grievous was a cyborg too and he had a ton of personality. 🤷

@FreedomHellFighters

3 ай бұрын

@@joeiorio9654 he willingly became a robot

@joeiorio9654

3 ай бұрын

@@FreedomHellFighters That is an excellent point

I never even thought about the Echo AZI connection. Great point, that missed potential truly makes me disappointed.

Bros already hating on the show it’s literally a kids show

@joeiorio9654

3 ай бұрын

I literally open the video saying the show has amazing worldbuilding and the characters I love are the best in the franchise.

@bbthere4675

3 ай бұрын

Not even a kids show but ok