How Stravinsky Tells a Story

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Stravinsky’s ballet ‘Petrushka’ almost never came into existence. In 1911, Serge Diaghilev, the director of the Ballet Russe, visited Stravinsky to check on the progress of their latest commission, ‘The Rite of Spring’, but Stravinsky hadn’t written a single note of the piece. Instead, he had been working on an orchestral piece about a puppet who comes to life. When Diaghilev heard what Stravinsky had written, he put aside plans for ‘The Rite’ and instead convinced Stravinsky to turn this orchestral piece into a ballet of its own. ‘Petrushka’ was the result. Stravinsky’s score for ‘Petrushka’ contains some of the most enduringly popular music he ever wrote, and shows Stravinsky’s almost unparalleled ability to tell a story.
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FURTHER LISTENING
Stravinsky: Firebird - Petrushka (Sir Simon Rattle , City of Birmingham Symphony Orchestra): open.spotify.com/album/6hxqe3kcSouzyIH8yJ6pic?si=2B62M1ZOQL2Jo5ug-6R2tQ
FURTHER READING/RESEARCH
Petrushka: An Authoritative Score of the Original Version, Backgrounds, Analysis, Essays, Views and Comments (Norton Critical Editions): www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/0393097706/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Stravinsky and the Octatonic - A Reconsideration: dmitri.mycpanel.princeton.edu/files/publications/stravinsky.pdf
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  • @givertayk
    @givertayk4 жыл бұрын

    Please don't stop making content. This stuff is so well done and engaging. You deserve hundreds of thousands of subscribers!

  • @ListeningIn

    @ListeningIn

    4 жыл бұрын

    I definitely won't stop - I'm enjoying it too much! Thank you for watching!

  • @ronwalker4849

    @ronwalker4849

    Жыл бұрын

    PROKOFIEV WROTE MUSIC FOR FILM AND IT IS BLEAK AND SOMBER. FROZEN LANDSCAPES OF ICE AND COLD ROCK. PROKOFIEV ONE OF THE GREATEST COMPOSERS TO EMERGE OUT OF RUSSIA IN OUR TIMES, BUT MORE GIVEN OVER TO INSTRUMENTAL THAN CINAMAGRAPHIC MESSAGE.

  • @BooyaMoonAgain

    @BooyaMoonAgain

    Жыл бұрын

    @@ListeningIn I wish I’d found you earlier and you were still with us :( I’ve listened to nearly the entire channel in a few days

  • @joeweinberg3108
    @joeweinberg31084 жыл бұрын

    i literally started crying when I finally understood the plotline of this piece of music

  • @GJYYNGII
    @GJYYNGII4 жыл бұрын

    The piano segments in Petrushka are always my favorites.

  • @vanivashisht7305

    @vanivashisht7305

    3 жыл бұрын

    I love the piano and the flute ones.

  • @HarmoniChris
    @HarmoniChris4 жыл бұрын

    To our modern ears, Petrushka sounds and feels like a perfect fit for film score, even if that wasn't necessarily Stravinsky's intention. Given that motion pictures just started popping up 9 years prior, beginning with "Le Voyage dans la Lune" in 1902, I wonder if Stravinsky perhaps ever considered the possibility of composing for the new medium. As films were entirely silent back then (and would stay that way until 1927), it was entirely untapped potential for a time until orchestrated performances of motion pictures slowly became the norm. What about the current age? Has a film version of Stravinsky's ballet ever been adapted for the big screen, and faithfully at that?

  • @ListeningIn

    @ListeningIn

    4 жыл бұрын

    You're right, it is very filmic. It hasn't been adapted for film, probably because of the issues with the story. I think the only example of Stravinsky being directly involved in film during his lifetime is Disney's 'Fantasia'. On the other side, film composers have been massively inspired by Stravinsky's writing (Korngold, Williams etc...), so he's definitely had an impact on the film world!

  • @EverLearningDragon

    @EverLearningDragon

    3 жыл бұрын

    @listening in I’d be really interested in seeing a video discussing how modern composers are influenced by Stravinsky. I’ve loved film scores since I was a kid and I’d love to know about their historical influences.

  • @smkh2890

    @smkh2890

    3 жыл бұрын

    I'd say 20th century modernism liberated musicians to experiment and the manipulation of emotions by a film score is a fitting place to work. John Adams works are very suggestive and would be ideal for film soundtracks.

  • @composerdave68

    @composerdave68

    3 жыл бұрын

    Stravinsky made at least 3 attempts at scoring films. He first tried to negotiate scoring a film called Commandos Strike at Dawn (1942). But this never worked out. He did write some things even before he was to start on the film. This music was later worked into Four Norwegian Moods. The second was for "Song of Bernadette". Reportedly he was approached to score the film and again wrote some music before any contracts were signed. The film was eventually scored by Alfred Newman. The music Stravinsky had written ended up reworked into the second movement of Symphony in Three Movements. Lastly, Orson Welles asked Stravinsky to score Jane Eyre. This was eventually scored by Bernard Herrmann and the hunting music Stravinsky had written ended up in his Ode of orchestra. I often hear of the story that either Stravinsky or Schoenberg, having been asked to score a film (they both had moved to Los Angeles at some point in their lives), said they would take 6 months to complete the score. I am not sure how accurate the story is, but it does fit the idea that film music and concert music simply work on different timetables. In addition, the studios want a lot of say in the music (including owning the copyright), this is not something a lot of concert composers are used to.

  • @chasingvenusfilmarts

    @chasingvenusfilmarts

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@composerdave68 Schoenberg apparently actually exclaimed he needed 2 years.

  • @oaelluin137
    @oaelluin1374 жыл бұрын

    Anything you make, I will watch. Thank you for this, love Stravinsky.

  • @anti-incognita
    @anti-incognita4 жыл бұрын

    I think the problematic nature of the 3rd scene could only be made evident through the staging of the ballet. No interpretation is ever stagnant (and forgive me if this a stretch) so I would argue that the "brutal" nature of the music as could be seen an expression of Petrushka's mindset towards The Moor rather than the aggressive nature The Moor (The music isn't depicting the truth of the scene, hence the need of staging). That he is an unreliable "hero" so to speak. Hence the distance of the music from his death. (Also amazing video I've been meaning to get into Stravinsky and this has been a major inspiration).

  • @ListeningIn

    @ListeningIn

    4 жыл бұрын

    Thank you for watching! That could definitely be the case towards the end of scene three. The slight problem is the beginning of the scene, when Petrushka isn’t present so I don’t think we can really say we are viewing it through the his eyes at this point. The music at the beginning is very aggressive and acts as ‘scene setting’ music. It’s quite difficult to say this isn’t just insensitive! But you are definitely correct in saying that the problematic nature of this scene is almost completely removed when you listen to the music in isolation. The question is, is it actually possible to detach the music from its original intention?

  • @patrickleighpresents749

    @patrickleighpresents749

    3 жыл бұрын

    For me, if it hadn’t been explained to me, I would only have seen it as one of those situations where a girl is rejecting an awkward but affectionate man for a “bad boy” and nothing more. I mean, these are PUPPETS, not real people, so even if they’re designed to look a certain way, it’s hard to see them as anything other than puppets, at least for me. Not that Petrushka is 100% in the right, mind you. The Moor could indeed be seeing him as a threat to the other puppet so he’s aggressive because he’s being protective of her. It’s all a matter of perspective and performance.

  • @ikmarchini

    @ikmarchini

    Жыл бұрын

    And thank them for the de rigueur p.c. proviso about the Moor.

  • @celesteperia8760
    @celesteperia87603 жыл бұрын

    Several years ago, I can't understand what is the story behind the music, since I'm not a musically inclined person, but when I've watched this explanation, its very clear, comprehensive and it's very educational. i've learned a lot. thanks!

  • @MaggaraMarine

    @MaggaraMarine

    3 жыл бұрын

    Remember that music on its own can't tell that concrete a story - you need to know the story behind the piece to be able to hear the story in it. But if you know the story, it becomes easier to also hear it in the music. Basically, when it comes to any piece of program music, you need to have some kind of an idea of what the "story" of the piece is before listening to it if you want to understand the story that it's trying to tell. Obviously music can use certain cultural references to communicate certain things (like the folk songs used in this piece). But the audience also needs to be familiar with those references to properly get them (a bit like if The Simpsons makes a reference to a movie, you will only get the joke if you are familiar with the movie). But yeah, my point here is that you shouldn't expect to hear a concrete story behind a piece of music if nobody has explained the story to you (or you haven't looked it up). In other words, music is great at describing things once you know what it's trying to describe - it's great at setting the mood, and it can do things that words alone can't describe. But on its own, music isn't a concrete language. It needs visuals or a text in order to become "concrete". Without that, it can tell an "emotional story" or a "musical story", but it can't really describe anything concrete. (Of course you can make up your own story, but that's probably not the story the piece is actually trying to communicate. Then again, who cares if it wasn't the original story behind the music? But personally, I don't visualize music, unless I know it actually has a story behind it.) But yes, the video explained the story really well.

  • @pattyluss
    @pattyluss4 жыл бұрын

    Yes! God I love Petrushka! I love the idea of multiple themes played at once, really puts you in the middle of the action, aurally. Reminds me of Charles Ives, only slightly more subtle, though I enjoy both approaches. Listening in, I love it!

  • @ListeningIn

    @ListeningIn

    4 жыл бұрын

    Charles Ives is an interesting reference. There's definite overlap. A thought that did occur to me when putting this together is the huge overlap with certain parts of 'Petrushka' with Copland's music - Copland must have been influenced by some of the brass writing, in particular. Glad you're enjoying the channel.

  • @pattyluss

    @pattyluss

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@ListeningIn eagerly awaiting your Candide video then 😝

  • @pattyluss

    @pattyluss

    3 жыл бұрын

    I’m conducting the Third Tableau this semester in my conducting class. Revisiting this video has been helpful!

  • @educostanzo
    @educostanzo3 жыл бұрын

    Can't help but imagining a full commentary version of the Rite of Spring narrated by you man, awesome analysis.

  • @justinprice9017
    @justinprice90172 жыл бұрын

    I've both listened to and played Petrushka (as an orchestra musician) many times. It's never been as clear as after viewing and listening to your content. Thanks for identifying the Russian folk songs and showing how they become part of the story telling. Don't know what to say about the Moor, except that Stravinsky is talking about traditional Russia--note the dancing bear. He's viewing it from a modern perspective. He was on his way to becoming "the man without a country." We may have caught him mid-change.

  • @maestrocam7013
    @maestrocam70133 жыл бұрын

    This was so wonderfully put together! Petrushka has become my favorite of the Ballet Rus over the years. It's the perfect mix between Stravinsky's romantic upbringing and his expressionistic future. Thank you for this video.

  • @alexscott1257
    @alexscott12573 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for making this video! I have always felt that Petrushka is the least celebrated of the "big 3" Stravinsky ballets but it has always been my favourite. The melodies on top of one another and the energy of the music has always thrilled me! I got the score a few months ago and I just can't stop reading and listening!

  • @JonathanPeterssonPiano
    @JonathanPeterssonPiano4 жыл бұрын

    You are truly amazing! So happy that I found your channel. The way you brake down musical pieces (and other forms of art) is truly inspiring.

  • @ListeningIn

    @ListeningIn

    4 жыл бұрын

    Thank you so much Jonathan!

  • @IanBenedict

    @IanBenedict

    4 жыл бұрын

    Same here, glad I'm here from the start

  • @Max-jf5vu
    @Max-jf5vu4 жыл бұрын

    Brilliant, brilliant, brilliant editing! Every video feels like a journey!

  • @ListeningIn

    @ListeningIn

    4 жыл бұрын

    Thank you Max!

  • @skrutten_
    @skrutten_3 жыл бұрын

    I think Petrushka is my favorite Stravinsky work, but I can only get myself to really enjoy the first scene and the Danse russe. I hope I can appreciate the entire work in the future.

  • @yattasuccess9212
    @yattasuccess92124 жыл бұрын

    Trying to find a video to fill me in before I go to sleep, I perfectly run into this one, informative, but also passively-calm, amazing video! Yes I will sleep now, for I have gotten my nightly dose of informative videos.

  • @iget2work
    @iget2work3 жыл бұрын

    When stravinsky pulls back musically upon the death of the puppet....it could be we see the release of the puppet's (new found) pain! As in real life.... a small cut in a kitchen knife accident can produce loud curses and storming around. In a more dire kitchen accident like cutting off a large piece of a finger, i can often produce a very small 'oh!' :) Thank you for deconstructing this in such a beautiful and well produced way. I'm glad I discovered your channel!

  • @republiccooper
    @republiccooper3 жыл бұрын

    This is perhaps my favourite ballet and ballet music and piano piece (to play). Everything is so gratifying here.

  • @ghostmuffins822
    @ghostmuffins8224 жыл бұрын

    Wow the work that went to this is insane

  • @ListeningIn

    @ListeningIn

    4 жыл бұрын

    Tell me about it...

  • @AnnaKhomichkoPianist

    @AnnaKhomichkoPianist

    4 жыл бұрын

    Absolutely true!

  • @atab24
    @atab243 жыл бұрын

    How do you not have a million subscribers! The quality and the narration is so great, keep up the amazing work! :)

  • @ListeningIn

    @ListeningIn

    3 жыл бұрын

    Thank you so much! Maybe one day...

  • @PentameronSV
    @PentameronSV4 жыл бұрын

    As always, brilliant video! Also, great choice of recording!

  • @stefan1713
    @stefan17133 жыл бұрын

    I love this ballet cause it feels like a Twilight Zone episode

  • @nikitofin
    @nikitofin4 жыл бұрын

    I’m so glad I’ve found this channel!!! A true GEM

  • @pavelchenarev7215
    @pavelchenarev72153 жыл бұрын

    This was great. I'm so glad that I came across your channel, you have a new fan!

  • @killkris
    @killkris3 жыл бұрын

    This is actually such a brilliant video essay on Petrushka. I'm just here to answer a music assignment, but I was fr captured by your great editing, and especially by the concise yet detailed script. Nice job bro will def sub and watch your other stuff

  • @m.a.3322
    @m.a.33223 жыл бұрын

    absolutely incredible analysis, commentary and editing. keep up the great work! :)

  • @Kitty-Cattie
    @Kitty-Cattie Жыл бұрын

    Oh gosh your videos are so stunning and well-researched, and feed my love for music ❤

  • @jlesper8423
    @jlesper84234 жыл бұрын

    Fantastic work. Can't wait to see what videos you make next.

  • @ListeningIn

    @ListeningIn

    4 жыл бұрын

    Thank you!

  • @richardthomashill
    @richardthomashill4 жыл бұрын

    Brilliantly done. Bravo.

  • @tanrebcucarellosqui4321
    @tanrebcucarellosqui43214 жыл бұрын

    Thank you so much!!! It's inspiring!

  • @ListeningIn

    @ListeningIn

    4 жыл бұрын

    My pleasure!!

  • @blakescanlen9156
    @blakescanlen91564 жыл бұрын

    Absolutely brilliant video once again! Can't wait to dive into this score now

  • @ListeningIn

    @ListeningIn

    4 жыл бұрын

    You definitely should dive into it. Really glad you enjoyed my video!

  • @robertmcmanus498
    @robertmcmanus4984 жыл бұрын

    Another super video!!! The way you tell a story is on par with Stravinsky. If you are looking for future content ideas, I would love see a video on the Pines of Rome by Respighi. It is one of my favorite pieces of all time and I would love to learn more about it! Cheers!

  • @ListeningIn

    @ListeningIn

    4 жыл бұрын

    Thank you Robert! That's a really interesting idea. Respighi's music is so rich and colourful. Might have to go in 2020 (my list of videos keeps getting longer and longer)!

  • @ruthedwards7775

    @ruthedwards7775

    3 жыл бұрын

    Great idea, "Pines" is another of my favourite pieces. Especially when heard in the concert hall with a full orchestra at Force 12!!

  • @donkloos9078
    @donkloos9078 Жыл бұрын

    One of my favorite works and great narration. Enlightening to understand the story and music. Thank you.

  • @puccinissimo
    @puccinissimo3 жыл бұрын

    this is the most visually appealing and artistic video amongst all classical music bloggers, thank you!

  • @jonathansmoots2183
    @jonathansmoots21832 жыл бұрын

    Beautiful: clear and pleasant narration and wonderful video editing. Congratulations, I am now a subscriber! Thank you.

  • @erick-gd7wo
    @erick-gd7wo2 жыл бұрын

    The most concise and best narration upon a Ballett so complicated from Stravinsky. 👏👏👏👏

  • @PatrickORourke-
    @PatrickORourke-4 жыл бұрын

    Incredible video again

  • @jjaguirremusic
    @jjaguirremusic4 жыл бұрын

    This is amazing! would you consider doing a video on Ravel’s Ballet Daphnis ey Chloe?

  • @ListeningIn

    @ListeningIn

    4 жыл бұрын

    Thank you Juan! And, also, thank you for the suggestion. That's a really good idea!

  • @JESSEROYAL
    @JESSEROYAL2 жыл бұрын

    Soo good thank you.

  • @pavelvedernikov8502
    @pavelvedernikov85023 жыл бұрын

    I was listening to this music, felt its a story - compared to many other “classical” pieces - and tried to find out more on KZread. And here you are, with your explanation. Thank you very much!

  • @vaci9797
    @vaci97973 жыл бұрын

    Bravissimo! I really enjoyed it.

  • @Symphorch
    @Symphorch2 жыл бұрын

    The Coachmen Dance is one of my very favorite pieces of music. I love the way it just bounces.

  • @dianabuchete947
    @dianabuchete9473 жыл бұрын

    Thank you! Thank you for makeing me understand music, art (I have no training in this area)!

  • @stringsnkeyboards
    @stringsnkeyboards8 ай бұрын

    Wow!!! You are amazing !!!!!!

  • @dario6253
    @dario62532 жыл бұрын

    This is fantastic.

  • @fran95lp
    @fran95lp3 жыл бұрын

    Good Job mate!

  • @juliatobiason3932
    @juliatobiason3932 Жыл бұрын

    Petrushka was so much fun to dance in at BYU-Utah when I was much younger. “I’m not as limber as I was was” (50 First Dates) 🤣😂

  • @JesusRiveraPercusion
    @JesusRiveraPercusion3 жыл бұрын

    Excelent video, editing, score, story. So great you use Berliner for the examples, so refreshing and great quality sound. Thank you and hope to see more content from you guys!

  • @ListeningIn

    @ListeningIn

    3 жыл бұрын

    Thank you very much!

  • @theresekilpatrick9888
    @theresekilpatrick98883 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for making an inspiring video - I am new to orchestral music (studying music at Cabrillo College) and I appreciate you breaking down the chords - studying 13th chords. Cheers mate!

  • @oscarmike1131
    @oscarmike11312 жыл бұрын

    This was my my third ballet of his that I heard and was immediately smitten. In terms of orchestration I prefer Firebird and Rite of Spring, but I really enjoy this one for what it is. Extraordinary use of color from Stravinsky and the sheet music can be downright dizzying to read at times

  • @ronwalker4849
    @ronwalker4849 Жыл бұрын

    I AM WELL FAMILIAR WITH PETRUSHKA AND LOVE IT TREMENDOUSLLY. BUT I CANNOT ALWAYS RELATE IT TO A STORY. I KNOW WHEN THE MUSIC IS JOYEUS, SAD, CONTEMPLATIVE, FORBODING, AND I CAN MOVE ALONG WITH THE MOOD AND MUSICAL SWINGS---BUT THE STOROY TELLING OFTEN EVADES ME AS IT IS SO COMPLEX AND MULTI POLAR. LOVE THIS RATTLE PERFORMANCE NONE THE LESS.

  • @_rstcm
    @_rstcm3 жыл бұрын

    Rite of spring PLEEEEEEEZZZZZ!

  • @charleslaine
    @charleslaine3 жыл бұрын

    No tambourines were harmed in the making of this video.

  • @mr_torle
    @mr_torle5 ай бұрын

    I'm gonna play the xylophone part at a concert soon. The russian dance is so much fun!

  • @dedede5586
    @dedede5586 Жыл бұрын

    please please please make a video on the rite of spring!

  • @JoeyvanLeeuwen
    @JoeyvanLeeuwen4 жыл бұрын

    Thank you for this insightful analysis of this piece. You showed informative and minute details as how they shaped the overall contour of the piece. In regards to The Moor, I don't think there's any real apology as far as Stravinsky's concerned. He was a known racist and antisemite, and an admirer of Mussolini. It's quite clear from this and The Rite of Spring that he saw a clear delineation between "civilized and uncivilized" cultures. It's also not just a thing of his time. It's known that Otto Klemperer, a great German Jewish conductor and an admirer of Stravinsky, asked for a petition signature in opposition to Nazi Germany's persecution of musicians, which he refused, likely so he could continue selling music in Germany. In fact, when his music was labeled as "degenerate" by the Nazis, he made a personal appeal based on his ancestry, religion, and anti-Marxism. I think the recent production from Bolshoi Ballet shows that the performance can be delivered without the racist inflections by making changes to the design and choreography, casting Petroushka's rival as a strongman rather than a Moor. I also admire the creative use of the puppet rods in the choreography. There was also a recent production of The Rite of Spring by Phoenix Dance Theater reframing the piece in the context of Haitian folklore. As a Jewish Marxist as well as a composer and performer I can say I hold Stravinsky's music in much higher esteem than his personality. I personally find the idea of inverting the tools of oppression to use for liberation to be an empowering idea. However in doing so we must also be careful that we of course don't fall into new orientalist narratives nor use this technique to hide the dark past of white supremacy in which classical music played a part.

  • @Maurits580
    @Maurits5802 жыл бұрын

    The only problem that i have with the 3rd scene is the moor and balerina themes played together. Bass drum and piatti are accompaneing that, eventiually the moors theme is played in 2/4 and the balerinas theme in 3/4. If im playing that bit, its always a bit confusing to follow as i listen and if i play it.

  • @me_is_hobo
    @me_is_hobo2 жыл бұрын

    You forgot the scene with the peasant and the bear in the 4th part

  • @aarongonzalezespinosa9517
    @aarongonzalezespinosa95173 жыл бұрын

    Is there a video for The Rite to Spring? 🤩

  • @billyraybar
    @billyraybar Жыл бұрын

    Great music but there is nothing more painful that watching a ballet.

  • @beatrizdemello5370
    @beatrizdemello53703 ай бұрын

    I will be conducting the final section in a few weeks… 😬

  • @americana3555
    @americana35553 жыл бұрын

    11:48 Is that Sarah Willis from those French Horn challenge videos?

  • @MH-iv7tk

    @MH-iv7tk

    2 жыл бұрын

    Yes, she is a Horn player in the Berlin Philharmoniker

  • @sigwals9134
    @sigwals91343 жыл бұрын

    What video editing software do you use?

  • @MrDomo1995
    @MrDomo19953 жыл бұрын

    What was the Parisan song called ? youtube subtitles are not helping me out at all haha

  • @FelipeEPD

    @FelipeEPD

    3 жыл бұрын

    La Jambe De Bois

  • @iopvixens
    @iopvixens4 жыл бұрын

    La Sacre du printemps next!

  • @ListeningIn

    @ListeningIn

    4 жыл бұрын

    Oooo... yes.

  • @AnnaKhomichkoPianist

    @AnnaKhomichkoPianist

    4 жыл бұрын

    Yes please! I love it even more then Petrushka

  • @e32b61
    @e32b61 Жыл бұрын

    Somebody animate this!

  • @alelovelau
    @alelovelau3 жыл бұрын

    Could you tell me the names of the popular songs Stravinsky used?

  • @nadiatverdova3126

    @nadiatverdova3126

    3 жыл бұрын

    "Ах вы, сени мои сени" - Ah vi seni moi seni - closer to the end Волшебник - Volshebnic - the first folk song for Easter time (although I have never heard of it before:) The saint John's eve song - don't know the Russian name, maybe related to Kupala night I found the list in a Russian article: «Ах вы, сени, мои сени», «Вдоль по Питерской», «Далалынь, далалынь», «А снег тает, вода с крыши льётся», «Под вечер осенью ненастной», «По улице мостовой" I believe you can find translations if you copy the russian names of the songs:)

  • @carlaaparisi4183
    @carlaaparisi41834 жыл бұрын

    2:50

  • @ikmarchini
    @ikmarchini Жыл бұрын

    Yes, musicians, Petroushka makes wonderful concert music, but that is not what it's about. It's a ballet meant to be heard while watching the dance. There is no story whatsoever told in this music and Stravinsky would be the first to say so, as he believed in absolute music. Without the narrator's incessant comments no one would ever infer what the story might be by the music. In fact, the music only makes sense when seeing the movement. It was a complete collaboration between chorographer and composer, unlike most ballets. It is meant to be seen and heard together, not narrated. It is about this - kzread.info/dash/bejne/gHaVrcmjnarekrg.html

  • @TomIdelson
    @TomIdelson3 жыл бұрын

    I love Petrushka and I've always wanted to dance this role! However, if I were to cast it, I would also cast Petrushka to be danced by a black dancer, this way, I believe, would make the Moor's characteristics not racist, but only specific to this character. (hope I made sense.. haha) I adore your videos and I can't believe I just found your channel!

  • @m.a.3322

    @m.a.3322

    3 жыл бұрын

    or just make both characters white?

  • @TomIdelson

    @TomIdelson

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@m.a.3322 True :)

  • @christopher.stewart
    @christopher.stewart Жыл бұрын

    i don't see a problem with the characterization in the third scene. there's nothing wrong in depicting one individual as « brutal, aggressive, and unintelligent. » that doesn't imply racist undertones. if somehow the score or the story was suggesting that all Moors share similar characteristics, then you might have a point. but to the best of my understanding, it's only one character, one person. the opposite idea, that somehow all Moors, or for that matter all people who share a particular characteristic, be it skin colour, or faith, or gender, are necessarily fully mature, « angelic » individuals, on the sole basis of that characteristic they have in common, is simply wrong, and as a matter of fact rests on the very premise upon which discriminatory thought stands : the notion that all people who have a characteristic in common also necessarily share other characteristics. apart from that, i found the video to be really interesting and informative. but that idea of the third scene being problematic undermines your efforts in my view.

  • @Sploooks
    @Sploooks2 жыл бұрын

    Fantastic work! I was wondering if you were aware of the idea devised by Isabelle Fokin, the granddaughter of Michel Fokine, who had the idea of replacing the Moor character with a “Warrior Doll” which she came up with when she found a Cossack doll while searching through Michel Fokine’s childhood toys. I think her idea could potentially save the Ballet!

  • @martinwall8006
    @martinwall80063 жыл бұрын

    Well done. It is impossible to draw a connection between racial profiling of one hundred years ago and today. Certainly Igor and others profiled black people as bad sometimes. I'm okay with that 'historically' because it's in it's place. Today is very different obviously (and thankfully). But I think it's wrong to hang our ideals on the past. Let it be and analyze it only for 'what it was' and can be. I think the same of the Bible and all other tomes. Onward and upward only for me.

  • @leslieackerman4189
    @leslieackerman41893 жыл бұрын

    I find every scene, ergo the whole, perfectly musicalizad by IS (no wonder it’s your favorite!). The third is needed to propose some balance to proceedings. So is P’s demise, a finale that would raise discussion perhaps, but the opposite ending would be rather cheap. Some people (I,e, puppets) are too good for this world. Good job otherwise.

  • @willeodsson
    @willeodsson3 жыл бұрын

    So Copeland was an American version of Stravinsky in a way. Using the country's folk songs in ballet.

  • @HamzaBaqoushi
    @HamzaBaqoushi3 жыл бұрын

    I don't know what should I say about Pétroushka, as a Moroccan? I know that I love the work for being Stravinsky's work. However, I feel uncomfortable about the that racist part of its content.

  • @RXTi-qp2vj

    @RXTi-qp2vj

    3 жыл бұрын

    It's not racist, racism is a deliberate act, this is just a story with fictional characters. Maybe Moor in that story is depicted as brutal uncivilised or whatever esle somebody wants to see between the lines, but first and foremost he is a character, not a representation of all Moors. It's silly to demand your nation to be represented only by "nice" characters, because then any nation would do the same, and nobody would be allowed to have any negative characters in any story. And while most people are nice in any part of the world, some aren't, and this character happened to be one of them. He could be Russian, British, Chinese or anyone else. Happened to be a Moor. Besides, the actual word used in Russian version doesn't particularly have the same meaning it does in English, it simply means dark-skinned person, but it also had the second meaning of "scoundrel" and I won't be surprised if that's why it was chosen. And trust me, I know how you feel, as a Russian I "get represented" by negative characters all the time, but I don't feel the urge to "get offended", life is much brighter when you don't overthink such things and don't imagine discrimination on every corner. But that's of course your own choise to make :)

  • @9sunsjuddleponk

    @9sunsjuddleponk

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@RXTi-qp2vj its racist, try not to overthink it.

  • @lolwhatever7307

    @lolwhatever7307

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@9sunsjuddleponk lmao, there are agressive stupid people in every race or nation. In this case you are overthinking, this character just happened to be black (in old russian "arap", the original name, means a person with black skin). There is nothing more to it

  • @9sunsjuddleponk

    @9sunsjuddleponk

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@lolwhatever7307 yeah but the art clearly depicts it in a style used for minstrel art. Yes he is simply black, and there are assholes, but art is more nuanced than that: and history shows, especially in classical, that white composers often use people of colour to depict unusual or bad characters. Stravinsky is also well known to be quite racist, and it shows in more works than this. Stravinsky has used this technique for other characters, its not a coincidence. I’m overthinking? I was taught this in Opera school but ok. I think you’re looking through a narrow lens in order to ignore a problem.

  • @9sunsjuddleponk
    @9sunsjuddleponk3 жыл бұрын

    Thank you, Acknowledging the mistakes of past composers is how we move forward as empathetic musicians. Its a pity that such an important topic is met with avoidance.

  • @Stixel
    @Stixel2 жыл бұрын

    In the staging I saw, the Moor looked rather like a war general, which could explain the aggressive music, but I do think that there are racial undertones that went along with the decision, yet I don't think it affects its status as art, it's simply another learning experience for us as a society moving forward and a byproduct of times past.

  • @ThePeterJ11
    @ThePeterJ114 жыл бұрын

    For me, the Moor scenes are rough to watch. Not only because I'm black and this is blackface minstrelsy at its most horrid (so its most typical) but because the scenes are just as enjoyable as the rest of the ballet. I'm speaking from watching the depiction on KZread by the Bolshoi Ballet. The set is just as wondrous, the choreography just as buoyant and the music as beguiling as in other scenes. And it's polluted by racism. When you ask 'should it affect how we view the ballet as a whole', this, I think, is the stunted state that is so common in this age of reflection. The two reflective questions gnawing at our vitals are 'how should we feel about this' and 'what should we do about this'; our fear being that our neglect of these moral disgraces are the same neglect it probably was met with when it premiered until now. We know it is so much more than racist. We know it is racist. And so we are stunted. How would it affect the whole work if we allowed it to? How practically would it? I'm not challenging the question but want to delve deeper into it.

  • @ListeningIn

    @ListeningIn

    4 жыл бұрын

    Thank you very much for commenting. This is really interesting to hear from your perspective, particularly because you found the third scene as engaging and beautiful as the others. I really wanted to expand on this point in the video, but felt it warranted a much more in-depth look in another essay, or by someone else more equipped to do so. The fact that the conversation is being had is a good start, but what more can be done? I'm not sure. I just know that the work needs to be challenged for its racism, like Wagner needs to be challenged for its anti-semitism. Thank you for watching.

  • @lolwhatever7307

    @lolwhatever7307

    3 жыл бұрын

    Im wondering how should white people perform a black dudes role without so called "blackface"

  • @Ian2844
    @Ian2844 Жыл бұрын

    VERY VERY GOOD. However the comments on the moor puppet did not appreciate how people thought at the time. At that time moors were perceived as enemies of christendom. So why make a big deal of it now? The scenes are not now a problem with me. Please , please grow up and accept that this was how the ballet was. And if you wish to see it then this is what you have to see. Are we supposed to edit Julius Caesars commentaries because he destroyed the Gauls ? One black puppet does not detract from Petrushka. What sort of bad puppet would you have in exchange? Howabout a bad cabbage patch doll which parodies poor white farners? I do hope you have nothing to say about Debussy's Golliwog's Cakewalk. Because this will be played at my husband's funeral because he thought gollies were dolls of love. And I agree with him. He died of brain tumour cancer last week . So please be kind.

  • @Kurtlane
    @Kurtlane3 жыл бұрын

    The Moor is a puppet, for goodness sake. Petrushka (Peter) going after the girl, and then beat up by the Moor is the standard Russian puppet theater, performed for centuries. Sort of a mix of Pierrot (also Peter) and Punch-and-Judy. It's funny. It makes people laugh. It's not a morality play or honest representation of people. It's crude, it's supposed to be crude. Stravinsky makes it a tragicomedy. It's his right. But please don't apply American politcorrectness to old Russian folk theater. It doesn't belong there.

  • @themosterstoster7587
    @themosterstoster75872 жыл бұрын

    No dance of the peasant and the bear 😡

  • @Classical4Piano
    @Classical4PianoАй бұрын

    Stravinsky did defy racist laws in South Africa (playing for a black audience) and insisted on playing for humans. He was probably racist around writing petroychka but by the 1960s he seemed to have changed for the better

  • @lolwhatever7307
    @lolwhatever73073 жыл бұрын

    This was a masterpiece until you bring the racism argument into the music field. Like cmon dude, why do you have to ruin your own work so hard

  • @thanasis_milios

    @thanasis_milios

    Жыл бұрын

    Well he’s quite right though.

  • @Gedagnors
    @Gedagnors2 жыл бұрын

    8:30 No, it doesn't "deserve" anything.

  • @leslieackerman4189
    @leslieackerman41893 жыл бұрын

    Stating that the musical depiction of the moor is racist because he happens to be this or that is absolutely ridiculous, but certainly a revelation of the young years of the PC author.😖

  • @9sunsjuddleponk

    @9sunsjuddleponk

    3 жыл бұрын

    He’s literally a walking minstrel character, of course it’s ridiculous because its worthy of ridicule..

  • @user-iq8nb3nc7u
    @user-iq8nb3nc7u Жыл бұрын

    You have some videos about russian chauvinist artists and their works (used for long time for propaganda and legalize of russian aggression), but no one word about Ukrainian composites, or about their works. No one video about Schedryk or "Cossak Rode beyond the Danube". That's sad. And l understand, why it's happen. For centuries, Russia has been promoting the cult of the greatness of Russian culture, while at the same time using the heritage of foreign cultures (Tchaikovsky stole Ukrainian melodies, and Bortnyansky, Berezovsky and Vedel have been were Ukrainian composers, but Russia distorts their image). Ukrainian music suffered mercilessly, and it is a pity that you did not study this issue, because it suffered not because of weakness, but because of its efforts and national strength. For example, Vasyl Oleksandrovych Barvinsky was arrested in early 1948. In the MDB, he was forced to sign a document: "I allow the destruction of my manuscripts." And the manuscripts were destroyed. Then there was a long exile for 10 years in Mordovian camps. After returning from exile (1958), he concentrated all his efforts on restoring from memory the works whose manuscripts were destroyed during his arrest (he worked on this until his death). And this is one of many stories. Unfortunately, they were overshadowed by the glory of Russian composers who were promoted by Russia on the world stage. However, is it possible to live in a limited world where there was no one except Tchaikovsky? I have Ideas, about what you can investigate. You can tell, why music of Myroslav Skoryk are so powerful? kzread.info/dash/bejne/aWuTr5usXai5qLQ.html kzread.info/dash/bejne/iK55ydyIcdXVnrQ.html kzread.info/dash/bejne/gYtrmrKgZc2weKQ.html kzread.info/dash/bejne/lJWEqJqzkpC4kbQ.html kzread.info/dash/bejne/oqx22dedZcvgaNY.html Or, tell about Mykola Lysenko, and why so lyrical his overture to opera "Taras Bulba". Do you like his valts? kzread.info/dash/bejne/lKpryc9sk8mecto.html kzread.info/dash/bejne/nZ-El5iel7K1gLQ.html Or, tell about Mykola Leontovych, great Ukrainian composer, killed by russian chekist. How he made a lot of iconic now melodies? kzread.info/dash/bejne/gp5ovMWPcsjcn9I.html kzread.info/dash/bejne/c5h2vLxpoKfYfdo.html kzread.info/dash/bejne/ka13sdlmYqXRopc.html kzread.info/dash/bejne/hY2omKuFota8npM.html

  • @VocalEdgeTV
    @VocalEdgeTV3 жыл бұрын

    So… The Moor gets the girl, wins the fight, and then kills a dude… And the music is somehow racist? What? What if Petrushka had killed the Moor? Even in self-defense? You could bet AjSharpton would be on the scene in a heartbeat. Ban it! Ban Everything he’s ever written. And every player who has ever played his music! They must all be canceled because racism. Stop this stupid shit. Your videos are absolutely fire, though.

  • @mistywalters
    @mistywalters3 жыл бұрын

    Rattle is the only disappointment here

  • @zogzog1063
    @zogzog10633 жыл бұрын

    Not remotely racist. If this is a problem then give up all attempt to understand Othello.

  • @9sunsjuddleponk

    @9sunsjuddleponk

    3 жыл бұрын

    He’s literally a walking minstrel character...

  • @stephenhall3515
    @stephenhall35153 жыл бұрын

    Pity about the Politically Correct anachronism.................

  • @9sunsjuddleponk

    @9sunsjuddleponk

    3 жыл бұрын

    Pity that racism is such an uncomfortable topic that people have to politicize a persons existence in order to sweep their struggles under the rug...