If they don't call this phenomenon engine seasoning then what is even the point?

@JoshuaC923

3 жыл бұрын

Good one 🤣🤣🤣

@mike30534

3 жыл бұрын

Stole my thunder!

@shreddder999

3 жыл бұрын

It was a low level assalt.

@fjlkagudpgo4884

3 жыл бұрын

jajaja assalt good one

@GoCoyote

3 жыл бұрын

My tastes have been as-saulted by this seasoning.

All that salt! Luckily that crew was well seasoned. 😁

@bbeen40

3 жыл бұрын

Well played Sir

@Mainyehc

2 жыл бұрын

*ba-dum-tss*

@vintvarner16

2 жыл бұрын

That is so extra cheesy that's it's funny...well played

@lisasanders9472

2 жыл бұрын

Ha! Ha!

@horiginsfs7561

2 жыл бұрын

AHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAJAHUAGAHAGAGAGAGAGGAGAGAHAHAHAHAGAGHAGAHAGAHAHAJGAHAGHAGAHAAHAJHSHAJAH

This can be called pickling the engines. Engine depicklers can be added in a form of water spraying nozzles at the compressor inlets.

@KB4QAA

3 жыл бұрын

Experience Patrol Plane pilots will find a convenient rain shower to fly through to clean the entire plane and engines when salt accumulation is noted on the wind screen. (old VP NFO). This is no mystery.

@shreddder999

3 жыл бұрын

@@KB4QAA field cleaning 😂

@joshuacheung6518

3 жыл бұрын

But that term is already in use :p It's slang for preserved engines, and they look like they're malfunctioning when they start up lol.

@dstarfire42

3 жыл бұрын

@@KB4QAA So, they wouldn't really be interested in visiting a mid-ocean plane wash (sort of like a car wash, but without the waxing) built on a disused oil rig?? *hurriedly calls business partners*

@yassm

3 жыл бұрын

Wow such a simple solution

I have had a turbine engine failure on take off from an oil platform caused by salt spray accretion on the inlet guide vanes in a Sikorsky helicopter carrying 23 passengers. We managed to continue to the airfield on one engine. Little did we know that the 2nd engine was similarly affected but didn't fail.

I’d call it ‘foreign substance accretion’ - we’ve seen salt, ice, volcanic glass... surely, given time, someone will find something new to bring down a plane with.

I've been on one of these planes! Would be a real shame to have lost it, its so vital for hurricane research.

@MiniAirCrashInvestigation

3 жыл бұрын

Does it get scary? 👀

@borzoi2607

3 жыл бұрын

Wasn't flying though a hurricane, i was an geography student on an exchange trip and we went on a trip to see a talk from NOAA scientists to explain what they do and the results they can obtain. Part of that included a show round the planes they use.

@TheTomBevis

3 жыл бұрын

I've always heard that they are tough aircraft. I guess that's why they're used to fly through storms.

@ChrisCaramia

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheTomBevis And ASW.

@bearb1asting

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the hard work

Another very informative and interesting video. Well done! I was an anti submarine commander on Canadian P3s (called “Auroras”) which we would routinely operate down to 100 ft MSL. We would always come back caked in salt, and we would drive the aircraft through a giant “car wash” after landing following every low-altitude overwater mission. I never experienced any engine issues due to salt ingestion, although I did have to emergency-secure two engines for different reasons on one flight. (As an aside we routinely shut down two engines to save fuel, but then we couldn’t go below 1,000 ft MSL in case we lost a third and had to relight the others). The Canadian Auroras are so overpowered that they can climb on one engine at light weights, and they can indicate higher airspeeds at sea level than most jets.

@bobkennedy9398

2 жыл бұрын

And all those trips through the "rinse rack" I always thought was just to prevent corrosion. Had never heard of the salt accretion hazard to turbine inlets. Wow!

If they had ditched the plane, we most likely would have never known the cause of engine failure.

@shirlthegirl631

3 жыл бұрын

@GoCoyote: I was just thinking the same. In this instance NOAA was also very lucky.

@andrewyellstrom2585

2 жыл бұрын

If the plane hit the ocean all the salt would come off so even if they recovered it the evidence would be gone.

@iwatchwithnoads7480

2 жыл бұрын

Does this mean that the planes that were lost in the sea had this problem?

@Star-xx5zr

2 жыл бұрын

@@iwatchwithnoads7480 we talking GA planes ?

@momchilandonov

2 жыл бұрын

It's arguable. There were good possible explanations to ditched planes after all and it would obviously have to do with the air contents at the time.

After flying low level over the ocean it is standard maintenance practice in many fleets to put an aircraft through a "bird bath". Basically a big sprinkler that rinses the salt off the airframe and out of the engines.

I was on a research flight that flew at about 100m over the ocean near the Nova Scotia coast. Lots of breaking waves! When we got back, and the engineering staff saw the salt on the plane, they were very annoyed, to put it politely. I don't think they were worried up the engines in the way the P3 was affected, but they were worried about corrosion and things like pitot tubes. The plane had to be throughly washed. I didn't get the impression that salt build up was unknown or even super rare in Altantic Canada. They checked for it and grumbled about the extra work to remove it.

Where my head went: Scientists/Engineers: "Well, the problem is that we just don't have enough data on the effects of salt accretion on engines!" *Smash cut to pilot briefing* Pilot: "Sorry, did I hear that right? You want us to *deliberately* fly through hurricanes until salt accretion kills our engines?"

@zrspangle

3 жыл бұрын

That probably went as well as the wild weasel briefing...

@44R0Ndin

3 жыл бұрын

That's where my head went too, but instead of live pilots, it was "representative engine on a test stand supplied with salt water spraying equipment" because you have to quantify just how much salt water spray the engine can take before performance degradation.

@dstarfire42

3 жыл бұрын

Remember, these are the same pilots that heard "we want you to fly into and around in a hurricane" and said "sure. we can do that." ... But, yeah, as 44r0ndin said, they'd start with an engine mounted on a stand getting sprayed with salt. Similar to how they test for water intake (to make sure an engine won't flame out flying through rain or a moisture-soaked cloud) or bird strikes.

@diestormlie

3 жыл бұрын

@@dstarfire42 Similar Energy to the 'Wild Weasels', a USAF unit tasked with SEAD duties: AKA "Suppression of Enemy Air Defence" AKA "Attacking Anti-Aircraft systems with Aircraft." I believe the unit's motto is "You've got to be shitting me!" Because that was the response!

@dstarfire42

3 жыл бұрын

​@@diestormlie Yeah, intentionally letting undetected anti-air batteries shoot at you sounds even dumber than flying into a hurricane. But it's actually worked out, according to the few stories I've heard about them.

It was cool to see this story. NOAA42 is based at my local airport, so I get to see it from time to time. I'll never see it the same way again.

Sounds like they flew through a League of Legends tournament.

So this is how long those air crash investigations would be without all the sensationalising and recapping of events and ad breaks.

@richardjenkins4182

3 жыл бұрын

So true. And the "human interest" side adds to the time fillers. Those longer ones dealing with fatal accidents always interview survivors who talk about how wonderful such and such a passenger was. Well, maybe that's true. Maybe not. But we've all lost loved ones in different ways. Grief isn't unique to airplane crashes. When viewing an investigation we'd like to know what happened, how it happened, and if anything is being done to prevent a similar occurrence. Spending 25 minutes discussing someone's second cousin's brother-in-law's sister and how wonderful she was doesn't make the presentation any better.

@briant7265

3 жыл бұрын

@@richardjenkins4182 We're you nervous? Very scared. First time? No. I've been scared before.

@richardjenkins4182

3 жыл бұрын

@@briant7265 Shirley you can't be serious....

@briant7265

3 жыл бұрын

@@richardjenkins4182 A connoisseur, I see.

@TalkieToaster.

2 жыл бұрын

To be fair sensationalising is exactly what was happening in this video. These pilots would have known exactly what to do in the event of this problem, usually they'd find a rain cloud to fly through to wash away some of the build-up. There's probably even a checklist for it.

These men and women deserve to hear thank you from everyone. Their bravado has saved many lives by relaying information that would not be available without their expertise. Even cruise ships experience this phenomenon. I have stood on ship decks and you actually see the granules of accumulated salt. Beautiful but deadly.

Interesting story. Years ago, I flew Navy EP-3 birds. We occasionally flew on 3 engines, but never anything quite like this flight.

The new mic sounds a m a z i n g ~ So glad you were finally able to fund a better microphone that sounds fit for a documentary. Makes for much easier listening.

For a moment I thought SALT was an acronym for an instrument.... 🤣

@mike30534

3 жыл бұрын

There was a SALT 'treaty' that included the N. Atlantic with the Russians back when they were CCCP. Think it was an acronym for Strategic Arms Limitation Treaty (treaty), just for the sake of government redundancy.

@amtrakfan9125

3 жыл бұрын

Same

@toggafamai4224

3 жыл бұрын

Same here

@cpt_nordbart

3 жыл бұрын

It's an acronym for Sodium Chloride.

@dstarfire42

3 жыл бұрын

​@@cpt_nordbart Only in the classical world. "Silenti Allans Lucrum Tria". During WWII, when they standardized the international names and abbreviations of the elements, they all just got shortened to the elements forming a salt (e.g. NaCl).

"Why haven't we seen more planes with salt accretion?" and "Why haven't more flights experienced salt accretion?" are very different questions! Most planes getting into this situation would go down in the ocean, and then either you never hear about it or the engines are salty from the ocean anyway. I wonder how many mystery failures over the ocean could be salt accretion.

Thank God for these pilots. They provide vital information that saves lives. So impressed with their skills and so glad they returned safely.

@TeToruFarms

2 жыл бұрын

What information do they provide and how does it save lives?

@Hellsong89

2 жыл бұрын

@@TeToruFarms Well that is these certain condition are met, it can lead to salt build up in the engines and cause them fail, even in plane with multiple engines. It was just pure luck they run into rain storm that washed the engines so those could start again, or the they would have forced to ditch it into sea, witch would have washed away the evidence about this event. For saving lives, it did save this crew and possible other lunatics who fly into storm in service of NOAH, but also other pilots that could potentially get trapped into weather event even if they try avoiding it. If pilot is aware of this they can look for rain to wash their engines mid flight and get safely out of the storm. Also for coast guard that uses helicopters in search and rescue this information is very important since they need to fly into these horrid conditions sometimes and this could happen to them. Difference is that they have only one or max two engines depending on aircraft and there is precious little time to react when it happens since they fly so low, so its even more dangerous to helicopters.

@MotorcycleWrites

2 жыл бұрын

@@TeToruFarms info on hurricanes. Being able to predict where oceanic storms are going and how intense they’ll be seems like pretty obvious life-saving info. The earlier you know that an area needs evacuated the better.

This is the BEST video on a problematic flight I have ever seen and really cool to learn about what an agency does to help make general aviation safer❤

I remember something about another NOAA flight where the Orion P3 ran into a lot of trouble. On that flight, they were checking out a developing hurricane out at sea. While flying through the hurricane, they lost two engines. Thanks to coordination with a chase plane, they figured out where to exit the storm.

@BigBlueJake

2 жыл бұрын

That wasn't a chase plane. They were fortunate that an Air Force "Hurricane Hunter" C-130 was making a flight at the same time.

It would be turbine outlet temperature. It's still got the fuel going through but with the airflow diminished it's lacking cooling air. The flames they saw were from the raw fuel still burning coming out the exhaust.

@KB4QAA

3 жыл бұрын

The T-56 engine has only a TIT gauge.

@Alcorob

3 жыл бұрын

Slower air flow would over heat of the inlet compressor

@Jet-Pack

3 жыл бұрын

As far as I know the turbine inlet temperature TIT usually refers to the temperature between the high pressure gas generator turbine and low pressure power turbine. So it's the inlet temperature of the power turbine. It's also often called ITT or interstage turbine temperature. The inlet temperature of the high pressure gas generator turbine is too hot to be measured directly. You'd basically be holding metal directly into the flames of the combustion chamber for a couple of seconds before it's melted away. You'd have to air-cool it like the high pressure turbine stator and rotor blades but if you put cooling air around your temperature sensor you're not gonna measure the temperature you want.

Today i just finished watching all of your videos. I always love your high-quality videos. Congrats!

Orions are beasts. They're so awesome, I just love them.

Much respect to those guys. The work they do is dangerous and incredibly important

@Milesco

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, they're the salt of the earth.

The RAAF Orions that operate from Edinburgh AF Base near Adelaide in South Australia, spend a lot of time close to the surface of the ocean and accumulate salt as a consequence. After every flight, they go through a huge high pressure water washdown system known as the 'Bird Bath' as they come off the runway, to remove as much of that salt as possible. Seems like the NOAA aircraft might need to do the same thing.

"That is objectively horrifying" - Facts.

Bet those pilots were salty after this.

@mattcat231

3 жыл бұрын

are you going to see yourself out? lol

@titan4110

3 жыл бұрын

@@HeaanLasai Your request has been denied.

@clarenceboddicker6679

3 жыл бұрын

They were seasoned pilots

@BeesandTeasStitching

3 жыл бұрын

They were assaulted.

@frankruple9544

3 жыл бұрын

@@BeesandTeasStitching o

Say, "sond", not, "snode". Your videos are some of my favorites. It is obvious you put a lot of work into them. Cheers!

Good decision making by the captain. Salination is a good word. I wonder if there was a water spout tornado that day ? That would make for some .... savory conditions ?

Your videos and storytelling are getting better and better. Thank you for the great content!

Wow! A truly extreme event. Thanks for the clear presentation and analysis.

There are a lot of good aviation channels on KZread but I think this one is the best! Narration is perfect. No BS no fluff just right to the point here. I think they should name this airplane the lady luck!

The same plane was involved in an even more well-known and dangerous incident when it flew into Hurricane Hugo back in 1989. Anyways great job!

@MiniAirCrashInvestigation

3 жыл бұрын

I’ll have to look into that :)

@dimitarivanov3817

3 жыл бұрын

Would really love to see that video

@SpeedbirdNine9

3 жыл бұрын

@@MiniAirCrashInvestigation This can be seen on Air Disaster S5 E6 "Into the Eye of the Storm".

@llbigwave

3 жыл бұрын

@@MiniAirCrashInvestigation Here's an account from a flight crew member. tailspinstales.blogspot.com/2011/05/hunting-hugo.html

Say... isn't that the same WP-3D Orion that had an engine fire on engine No. 3 while flying through Hurricane Hugo in 1989? And then a WC-130 had to fly close to them in the eye, and the WP-3D also had to dump some fuel, and almost lost engine No. 4 due to a loose de-icing boot? It was shown on Mayday: Air Crash Investigation. It was titled, "Into the Eye of the Storm"

What I espaycialy like about this channel is that you cover incidents where major problems were avoided, like this one, that never made big news. Thank you.

They were one of the luckiest crews for sure.

@bobjohnbowles

3 жыл бұрын

They made their own luck. One salty crew, they worked the problem.

@shreddder999

3 жыл бұрын

Well, William Shatner helped them when he told them of the fire.

@philipowen4803

3 жыл бұрын

Call it? How about 'pickling?

@Juandinggong

3 жыл бұрын

They are some of they most experienced p-3 pilots and Crew.

EXCELLENT job with this episode! My favorite of yours so far!

A fascinating story, expertly told👍 Thank you for continuing to share!

Strong beast, the Orion

@shreddder999

3 жыл бұрын

FOR SALE: One gently used airplane

@sixstringedthing

3 жыл бұрын

As a kid (like most kids) I was all about those fast jets, heavy bombers, CAS aircraft, gunships. As an adult I've learned to appreciate that not all heroes wear capes, and maritime patrol/ASW is a tough job. Long hours of routine tedium interspersed with minutes of intense stress, for both the crew and the airframe. Both the Neptune and the Orion are legendary in my book, as are the people who fly or served in them.

I flew with these in the Navy. "low and slow" was the flavor of the day for us old salts.

A couple of months ago, I got to attend a virtural interview with a NOAA hurricane hunter scientist. In his interview, he specifically mentioned this flight, saying that one of the outcomes is that they cannot fly below 5,000 ft cruising altitude due to this accident. Also no average Joe can go on a joyride, and being a navigator is hard work, they are constantly changing the throttle to make the most efficient flight during their times in the hurricane. That is the reason why they will never fly a jet

@EstorilEm

3 жыл бұрын

Don’t they use a few jets for high altitude hurricane studies (sometimes concurrently with the Orion’s?)

@mwbgaming28

2 жыл бұрын

I assume that is because jet engine throttle response is too slow?

@nicholasmarshall9128

2 жыл бұрын

@@mwbgaming28 yes, that is what I was told

Great Hurricane Hunter video. BTW, it’s pronounced “drop sond” (short o, not long o)”, not "drop snode”.

@jimmiddler7103

3 жыл бұрын

"Sonde: an instrument probe that automatically transmits information about its surroundings from an inaccessible location, such as underground or underwater."

@44R0Ndin

3 жыл бұрын

@@jimmiddler7103 Or in this case, mid-air.

@riffraffselbow

3 жыл бұрын

yep this one drove me nuts

@Chris-cj5rh

3 жыл бұрын

Dropsnode 🤣

@timberwoof

3 жыл бұрын

Saying drop snode is honorable. It means you read it in a book.

Experienced Patrol Plane pilots will find a convenient rain shower to fly through to clean the entire plane and engines when salt accumulation is noted on the wind screen. (old VP NFO). This is no mystery. Navy crews rinse the airplane and engines on deck after low level flying to prevent engine problems and corrosion. Old hat.

@skylined5534

3 жыл бұрын

And if a convenient rain shower doesn't present its self?

@advorak8529

3 жыл бұрын

@@skylined5534 … no convenient rain shower? Then you are not an Experienced Patrol Plane pilot, clearly, as these would stay out of overly salty conditions with no convenient rain shower nearby. Pretty obvious, isn’t it? Just like stage magicians won’t attempt tricks that demand usage of their tools without their tools of the trade being set up properly beforehand …

@KB4QAA

3 жыл бұрын

@@skylined5534 You wash the plane after landing. Nota Bene: Flying in a hurricane it isn't too hard to find a rain shower. :)

I was very curious to see what the Strategic Arms Limitation Treaty had to do with an aviation incident. Turns out it was just sodium chloride, what a fool I am....

Great job on the video and animation that follows the story. Awesome video. Keep up the good work!

Navy spent probably millions of hours flying low and slow over the oceans during maritime patrols since the 1960s in the P3, never heard of this before. But after each flight the aircraft was run through the "bird bath" engines running to remove any salt deposits to aid with corrosion control. And as part of a regular maintenance schedule, the engines were washed down internally, don't recall the hourly interval. Have to wonder about this one.

Ive been watching these videos for 2 weeks straight. I cant stop !!

I appreciate that the all-caps SALT in the original title, while suitably attention-grabbing, was edited so as not to be confused with arms limitation treaties. :)

Wonderful. Thanks for bringing us that documentary. I hadn't heard of that incident before.

At 9:15, they could call it "insalt". Sounding like "insult". :-) Glad that they got the plane back to an airport and everyone safe.

Can you do the other NOAA flight that turned back on losing one engine? Somehow they needed an Orion military aircraft to guide them through a storm. Saw the story on National Geographic but they didn't do aircraft issues.

@fluxthelycanroc9603

2 жыл бұрын

one of the deicing boots broke on a propeller.

@BigBlueJake

2 жыл бұрын

I think I saw that episode as well. The Orion was working at about 2000 feet while a USAF C-130 Hercules from the Hurricane Hunters squadron was taking measurements at a higher altitude. The Orion was entering or in the eye when it lost the engine, so they asked the Herc to find a relatively safe spot to exit through the eyewall.

What an incredible save!

On the topic of why no-one else have encountered this before: no navy or airforce (and even less airlines) fly that low in stormy weather at low speeds. Recon planes fly higher as there very little benefit on flying storms that near of the ocean surface. Less reaction time in the case emergency, less space for maneuvers, higher fuel consumption, etc... Literally the only ones doing this is NOAA and few others similar agengies.

Back in the seventies Long Beach California had a “salt storm” it caused power outages up to a mile inland the salt coated the insulators causing them to “flash over” there hasn’t been anything like it since. I imagine that they flew through one of these types of phenomena.

And to think I almost went to sleep without seeing your upload!! sleep can wait

Thank you for sharing this video, I knew that it is dangerous for the crew but I had no idea that it is that bad. I have subscribed to your channel before but for some reason, it came up that I am not subscribed. Thanks again.

GREAT VID!!! CAN'T WAIT FOR THE NEXT ONE!!😉👍👍✌️

Hear me out.. it should be called Seasoning 🤣

@MiniAirCrashInvestigation

3 жыл бұрын

Try to fly through a pepper cloud afterwards for optimal results

@alexesther787

3 жыл бұрын

@@MiniAirCrashInvestigation I love your videos, they're amazing! From an Av Geek.

God bless for the crew on board🙏🏼🙏🏼

Awesome video man ❤️.. Loved it much

That's amazing airmanship to not give up and keep trying. Thank you god for the splash of rain to flush the salt out of the engine just enough to save the heroes in the sky. The USCG doesn't get near enough credit for the lives they save all year around while risking their lives flying and jumping into the ocean during gail force storms to save stranded vessels.

I would have also considered how much the anti-icing systems played a role in the formation of salt accretion on critical parts.

I was a P3-C Navigator/Comm. Officer in the U.S. Navy. In their roles as Anti-Submarine Warfare aircraft, Orions routinely flew at altitudes of around 100 ft. above the surface while prosecuting submarine contacts, subjecting the engines and airframe to salt accretion. However, AFAIK, there was never an incident involving an engine malfunction due to salt accretion, such as experienced by NOAA42. That said, it appears that the wind velocity was the key factor in the scenario, with the high winds kicking up an overwhelming amount of salt spray, as the narrator mentioned.

Perhaps some kind of emergency water injectors could be developed and installed? Something that could put enough water through to wash away the salt but not enough to stall the engine. Like a simulated rainstorm.

@thenoobplaysit6923

3 жыл бұрын

Considering the rarity of this type of failure I don't think it would be worth the added complexity/ risk of complications that running water lines and injectors could cause.

@joshuacheung6518

3 жыл бұрын

If I'm not misunderstanding it too much, then it should take several flights for this to happen... So the fix would be a fresh water wash every flight-i know some planes get a shower with engines running after each flight over the sea (admittedly for corrosion control, not salt) And I'm back after getting to the end of the vid-precisely what i said, they just wash the engines

@joshuacheung6518

3 жыл бұрын

As an aside, injecting water into an engine will boost the thrust coming out of it significantly, up until it chokes out the flame. Doing this to an engine not designed for water injection could cause an engine failure (i don't even think the water injection is done before the combustion stage, but maybe I'm wrong)

@briant7265

3 жыл бұрын

@@joshuacheung6518 They can fly through rain. An equivalent light mist wouldn't be much different. Technical challenges and opportunities for failure, combined with the rarity of such an event make it impractical though. Also, somebody else said their solution is simply to not cruise so low.

@joshuacheung6518

3 жыл бұрын

@@briant7265 the tons of fresh water that you would need to inject for the specific purpose of cleaning salt is nothing like flying through rain though. Unless you kept it running constantly, and even then measures in flight would merely slow the buildup at an extreme cost. Cruising low is fine, as long as they do post flight washes every so often. If I'm not mistaken it takes more than one flight to build up that much salt.

We used to run crushed walnut shells through a running t56 (p-3) engine to try and clean the turbine blades to help with low efficiency issues. I miss working on p3s, those things can do some crazy things a p8 cant

I definitely agree - luck was with this crew. Great video! 💗

That was a really interesting video. Thank you.

Great video mate :)

Excellent video as always.

I love the idea of merch. It could be the logo of the chanel printed on mugs, t-shirts or bracelets. Not sure if everyone would be on board but you could make a poll to see the results and decide. As for the video - the level of preparation is awesome. Really love the videos and they are must watch and must like.

Lucky and half looney!! YOUR GRAPHICS ARE THE BEST!!!!

Excellent, very informative video!

Love to hear this hurricane plane stories!

Hi! Many thanks for your interestin job! I am a fan ofaeronautics and I'm very fond of the accidents investigations. I'm also a Flight Sim pilot. It is evident to me that for this video you used Microsoft Flight Sim 2020, but I am puzzled by the beautiful NOAA's P-3 Model. Even though I collect Flight Sim models, I had never seen a P-3 for Microsoft FS 2020!. I wish I could have it on my collection. Where did you find it? Thanks a lot in advance and have a gorgeous week-end!

@MiniAirCrashInvestigation

3 жыл бұрын

You can find it here! flightsim.to/file/17385/lockheed-wp-3d-hurricane-hunters It uses the 747 cockpit tho

Holy, that's crazy. I agree that they are some of the luckiest flight crews, the ONLY thing that prevented that plane from ditching was the 2. engine (91%?) being just on the edge of giving up. Would a water injection system for the intakes of all, or just two of the engines be a good solution or would the amount of water needed to clean the salt be too great?

It wasn’t their time… very blessed!

I remember lifeguarding on a particularly windy day and my shorts developing a coating of sand and salt. Just like those engines, I felt like shutting down.

This is an assalt on the senses!

Your graphics were gorgeous! Really first rate. I felt like I was there.

I think it was 1967 when we were doing a tactical flight in the Sea of Japan in a US Navy SP-2H Neptune. For 10+ hours we battled winds of 70-80 kts at 2500 feet altitude. When we got back to Iwakuni, Japan the entire plane was coated by salt spray and needed to be washed down. No problems with the engines, I guess a R3350 was more resistant than the P3 turboprops.

In RAAF service P3s went through an aircraft wash after every flight to remove built up salt deposits.

@richardjenkins4182

3 жыл бұрын

It's also recommend for jets and turboprops that make multiple takeoffs and landings in the Caribbean and other archipelagos. The airplanes may fly high in cruise, but the approaches and departures put them in salt-laden air.

@advorak8529

3 жыл бұрын

@Schlomo Baconberg _drug runners_ may be a-salt-ed as much as salt likes, they can always ditch into the drink for a wash-out, for all I care. But usually they are using fibreglass “submersibles” nowadays, running awash with just snorkel and periscope (probably a simple camera) out of the water … are they not?

@advorak8529

3 жыл бұрын

@Schlomo Baconberg I have something against bringing misery to the masses by enabling drug dealers to sell adulterated stuff - some think even washing powder is OK for injection - while enriching a small number of scrupulous individuals that have no problem with murder to hinder competition, silence witnesses and terrorise the general population into submission. The only real way to stop that is to have the medical authorities control the substances so the buyer gets what he pays for and can be sure any fillers are clearly noted on the label. And allowing the consumer a real choice, prices should go down to normal levels, the whole underground shipping and distribution system has suddenly to compete with the market instead of being a mono- or oligopoly with price fixing … And there will be many more people not incarcerated and able to do honest work for honest money. Also all the criminality that is a side effect of high prices for bad products will be reduced radically. On top of that, proper access to the stuff allows the placing of real product information for consumers right next to the products. But that would mean that you are allowed to do your body what you want not just with firearms but with chemicals as well, and the firearms lobby - whose products affect so many other people - will not be happy at all.

TItle: "Some salt" Shows engines full of salt.

I like your voice & your plain explanations. You do a great job on all your videos. I wish more were done like this. I’d like to ask about the plane itself and you explain the disc at the bottom and how it helps finding hurricanes (I live in New Orleans so I’m always on the alert for hurricanes and thank God for hurricane hunters). I don’t feel like to ask why a plane going into that kind of wind would be a prop plane? I think the wind could do more damage to props than to jet engines but I don’t know anything about that so I’m speaking out of turn. I just like for you to explain like the shape of that airplane. There’s just a few more things that I’d like to to know and I’d like for you to do another one of the hurricane hunter videos even if it’s not about almost crashing. You explain things very well and I think I would understand More clearly exactly what they do if I had you to break it down like you do and your videos thank you sir

I used to maintain Instrument Systems for the Air Force Hurricane Hunters, which were WC-130s. Our aircraft used the same Allison engines as the P-3. While I don't remember any specific instances of something like this happening, it does make me wonder about some of the strange write-ups we used get on our engine instruments after a flight. Although they weren't doing it while I was there, I do know that they now routinely wash the aircraft after these flights.

I cannot begin to express my admiration for the crews and technicians that carry out this vital work. If you read the novel Wyatt's Hurricane by Desmond Bagley then it will give you a very vague idea what these brave people go through to allow the rest of us to remain somewhat safer in stormy weather. Utterly remarkable people who a lot of people don't even realise exist...

Very interesting, learned something new. Thanks Mini AC. Btw, radiosonde rhymes with radio bond.👍🏽

Very informative, thank you.

Worth a mention that POWERFUL storms have up-drafts, so any aerosols at the surface level WILL get sucked up into the atmosphere to places we'd never expect to find salt... It's also partially that the Navy and Coast Guard, while commonly occasioning aircraft to fly low, they don't make a great business of doing so. They spend what time is needed at low altitudes, and then GET UP to proper flight paths and regions of the sky. Even taking off from carriers and hovering helicopters low for rescues, once that stage of flight (or take-off) is done, it's all about UP UP AND AWAY from the surface, like any other airplane. The only exceptions are sub-chasers of the old days, where they would fly low... BUT in most of those stories, there was a thorough wash-down of the engines and plane after every such flight. The military (at least) KNEW salt accretion was an issue, whether they let on about why it mattered or not. ;o)

The engine manufacturer on the P3 is the Allison Division of GM not Rolls Royce.

3 out of 4 gone & no ideas why? - Ah, all hail the invol stepper-motors of terraced clenching; remember them well : )

Excellent explanation

"The plane did not want to be at 3200 feet" You sir have a way of putting things

Only seasoned airmen could walk away from a flight like this.

As pilot/manager of a freight airline operating of Salt Lake City, Utah, we would schedule regular compressor washes with detergent because of salt accretion on turbine blades and the loss of efficiency.

Wow..great work!

Seems people forgot CX780, may be because not even a single person get any real injury! It was a narrow miss of a major air crash disaster, thanks to the skill of the pilots.

Great Airmanship !!!

Cant wait to watch this