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@CordeliaWagner1999

3 ай бұрын

Because their men are Manchildren and the are the Voice of Reason. And immature people don't like the Voice of Reason

I loved how "WandaVision" had Elizabeth Olsen slowly evolve into the different type of sitcom wife as they delved into different decades. She did an excellent job of mimicking the standard mannerisms of the era.

Kaitlin Olson REFUSED to play Sweet Dee as the "voice of reason" character on Always Sunny, insisted that Dee should be a quirky, self-absorbed, and hilariously stupid as the rest of the gang. On behalf of all fans, thank you, Kaitlin.

@RealBradMiller

Жыл бұрын

God I love that steroid episode.

@georgeprchal3924

Жыл бұрын

Because of The Insinuation.

@jbtechcon7434

Жыл бұрын

@@georgeprchal3924 I think you meant implication. But yeah.... ;-)

@georgeprchal3924

Жыл бұрын

@@jbtechcon7434 no that's Dennis, Insinuation is Dee's thing.

@jerrysstories711

Жыл бұрын

@@georgeprchal3924 yeah, in there scene in the pool chairs, she does say insinuate at one point, but she uses Dennis's whole phrase because of the implication. Good catch though. I admire your Always Sunny memory.

As a kid watching The Simpsons, Everybody Loves Raymond, King Of Queens etc I noticed all the women seemed so unhappy. It partly influenced me in never wanting to get married, that and fact all married people I know seem miserable in real life too.

@Feliciatanktop

Жыл бұрын

Same. This is honestly common among many Millennial and Gen Z women. We saw the end result and wanted nothing to do with it

@cbpd89

Жыл бұрын

If the only married people you know are miserable, you need better friends.

@theasinclaire52

Жыл бұрын

Morticia Addams and Lily Munster were probably the most psychologically healthy wives I can think of. Especially Morticia. Clearly an equal partner in their marriage.

@ruffethereal1904

Жыл бұрын

​@@theasinclaire52They were also so open about her fulfilling sex life. It was nice.

@hojosconsal9913

Жыл бұрын

​@@cbpd89what

No Lois from Malcolm in the Middle?!?!? She deserves a spot on your video essay!

@1XparadoxX1

Жыл бұрын

Was just about to comment this

@someonerandom8552

Жыл бұрын

Yes!!!! I was waiting for Lois

@anabltc

Жыл бұрын

came to comments to see if anyone thinks the same! where. is. lois???

@Nicole-zh7pl

Жыл бұрын

That is one of the best shows ever and does well portraying a mom with all boys in the house. I raised one and holy moley. Admired lois because I could never. Lol

@anabltc

Жыл бұрын

@@Nicole-zh7pl yes!!! It's also interesting in context of today's discussion on gender roles and masculinity (her and husband, her vs the boys). Also her relationship with other female characters (mother, mother-in-law, daughter-in-law). Lois is 👑

I liked how "Kevin can F Himself" deconstructed the entire concept of the lazy, childish husband and the harried, put upon wife, and how frustrating that situation would be in real life. It also blends three camera laugh track sets and gritty, one camera "real" locations perfectly.

@teesh871

Жыл бұрын

Totally agree. That show was just a work of art and made me cry

@tylerhackner9731

Жыл бұрын

Very interesting contrast I noticed when watching

@Puerco-Potter

Жыл бұрын

Not only that, it deconstructs the "just like the boys" woman trope and the "dumb with a heart of gold" trope too. I like how Kevin's selfishness was what made all his friends leave him, he never openly hurt anyone (till the last episode), he just manipulated every situation to his benefit.

@mauriciovalencia3374

Жыл бұрын

First show I thought about while watching this was Kevin can f#%k Himself

I love the moms in Derry Girls. While Erin's mother is the one we see most frequently, the other moms have their own unique characteristics (many of whom are also seen in their kids) that make them all distinctive and a joy to see on screen.

@CarlaGReads

Жыл бұрын

I’ll never forget Michelle’s mum saying James being British was worse than being gay 😂

@Bubaiel

Жыл бұрын

I love Orla and her mother’s relationship like you can just clearly see why Orla is how she is 😂

@mankytoes

Жыл бұрын

Agreed, while they often have fairly traditional set ups, that doesn't mean they play second fiddle to their husbands.

I love how 'Kevin Can F Himself' shows that sitcom husbands are portrayed as having Main Character Syndrome, and yet the ACTUAL main character is pushed into a supporting, almost submissive role whenever her husband is in the room.

In Brazil, Rochelle from Everybody Hates Chris is a beloved character for many people who grew up watching the show in the mid 2000's. She is very much the embodiment of the brazilian mom most people had in their childhood growing up as working class: realistic, protective, very hard working and her love is tough, but honest. I have seen my mum and dad in Rochelle and Julius countless times, and thats why to this day Everybody Hates Chris will always have a soft spot in my heart.

@bre7931

Жыл бұрын

I’ve heard that Everybody Hates Chris is very popular and well known in Brazil even to this day. It really was a funny show

@originalcosmicgirl

Жыл бұрын

I'm so happy to hear that "Everybody Hates Chris" was popular in Brazil. I'm happy not only as a fan of the show (and Chris Rock), but also as an African-American. For so long TV shows and movies centered around Black people and our lives were not produced with the excuse that, "People in other countries won't like them or relate to them." It always brings me joy whenever I see examples that prove the contrary. Good stories are good stories, and can be appreciated by all. ✌🏿❤

@cooperminion825

Жыл бұрын

I remember loving her pride and unwillingness to accept charity

Surprised you guys didn't talk about Fran Fine from The Nanny. She is very much like Linda Belcher being joyful and quirky. She is also a nuanced take being the "one who is out of the league" compared to Maxwell Sheffield and his posh English family. She also pays tribute to Lucy Riccardo with her zany antics and her incredible charm with everyone.

@Bubaiel

Жыл бұрын

Yeah I was waiting for her to be mentioned as a twist on the trope because she and Max weren’t even married for most of the show but she took on most of the duties of the sitcom wife because it was (literally) her job!

@madisonculp9070

Жыл бұрын

she also knew who she wanted, waited while still doing her thing and dating other men. she wanted the family and the man, but she never really really let that get her down! she inspired me so much as a kid!

@cooperminion825

Жыл бұрын

Plus she also knew how to come back against CC's jabs but was also kind to her at times bc she saw the unhappy little girl inside. They were never friends but they were never cruel to each other. Just goes to show how well a woman understands women (what a shocker!)

@user-gs6pu6sb4k

Жыл бұрын

The Fran Fine character was a love letter to Lucy Ricardo (and a favorite of the actress Fran Drescher as she has mentioned in interviews) Grew up with and to this date love both characters❤

Noone can accuse Lucy Ricardo of being the voice of reason. Ever.

Ironically enough, Linda Belcher would be the one to come up with the crazy ideas while her husband would be more realistic on the show Bob's Burgers.

How dare they not put respect on Francine Fine-Sheffield! The disrespect. We watched Fran earn her 💍

@Pinkranger87

Жыл бұрын

Thank you.

@Bubaiel

Жыл бұрын

Exactly!

@originalcosmicgirl

Жыл бұрын

As much as I loved "The Nanny" and Fran, I can see why she was left out. Even though she often acted like Max's wife, and very much wanted to be his wife, she was not his wife until the end of the series. While their dynamic was sometimes that of a married couple, it often wasn't. First, there's the unrequited love factor that went on for years. There was also the many times they dated other people. Let's also remember that for most of the series, she was his domestic employee. These are things that I hope would not be a part of a marriage (though no judgment if they are). They couldn't include every show, no matter how good they were. Maybe their relationship can be explored on a different Take (hint-hint)😉

Another important fact about Lucy Ricardo was that she wanted to work; she was happily married but obviously had energy and drive beyond her household duties, and that served as an engine for many of the series’ highjinks. She really wanted to “be in the show,” unlike a character like June Cleaver.

@cooperminion825

Жыл бұрын

Not just any work though. She wanted to be ✨A Star✨ even though she wasn't the most talented person. I do think that if Ricky had given her a job as a substitute background dancer she might've laid off a bit some

I always joke that I want to be Linda Belcher as I raise my son- I can't believe I forgot about Kitty! I love Kitty's sass so much.

I wonder if TV shows like this are another reason why a lot of women r choosing themselves over marriage and kids. Because watching these shows now, it does make a woman viewer think "Is that really what marriage and having kids really cracked up to be?"

@stevehat3

3 ай бұрын

Thats absolutely what a lot of men think about marriage because of these shows. If you get married your wife just belittles and resents you. I only noticed this after guys I grew up with tell me they wanted to avoid marriage because they didn't want to end up like Raymond or married to Lois from Malcolm in the Middle. It's odd but like the big bang theory for example: Bernadette and Penny seem to genuinely resent being with their husbands and yell at them like they're kids. I guess maybe if you're a girl you see those husbands as unhelpful and childlike and feel bad for the wives but for guys: imagine your spouse talking to you or about you like that? I don't think most women are like that regardless, but I know shows like this inform people about what's normal in a marriage and ends up giving them reasons to avoid it.

Happy to see someone talk about Home Improvement. I watched it all the time when I was a kid and I don't hear anyone else talk about even though it was the number one show on TV when it was on air. Another show to mention is The Middle starting Patricia Heaton from Everyone Loves Raymond.

Another character that breaks the sitcom wife archetype: Wendy Byrd from Ozark. She's impulsive, rude, and is always getting the family into trouble that her serious husband Marty has to get them out of again.

@realnowheregirl

Жыл бұрын

Ugh, I can't rewatch that show because I got so sick of Wendy. But ya know, I respect the decision to have a legit bad organized crime lady. I know by the end of Breaking Bad I didn't like Walter White.

@JCej

Жыл бұрын

Ozark's not a sitcom, though.

@jordanloux3883

Жыл бұрын

@@JCej Wendy sure acts like she's in one though...

Allison doesn't want vengeance against Kevin, she just wants out. And not for nothing, but left to her own devices, we see that she's a hot mess on her own. So even though she plots his demise, Kevin Can F* Himself isn't really about revenge. It's about escape. And growth. When everyone asks her why she just doesn't leave him, she never actually can articulate why. But we the viewer see what she's going through. It's an interesting take on sitcom wives being emotionally and psychologically trapped. But it is just a take. Sitcom wives may often be put upon, or feel under appreciated, but as Marge Simpson, often states, and shows, she wouldn't trade it for anything. My favorites are her, Jill Taylor, and Claire Huxtable. And of course Lucy, which I'm surprised more comedies didn't try to emulate. I guess there was Dharma and Greg...

I love this take! Peggy Hill from King of the Hill is one of the most interesting sitcom wives to me - I even did an analysis of her on my channel.

Half the time, the sitcom wife wears the pants of the house.

@Puerco-Potter

Жыл бұрын

Which is a sad reality for a lot of couples. Women don't need the extra burden of being in charge of a man child husband. And husbands would like the freedom and respect of an adult partner instead of a subordinate. At the end of the day is the work of both to find a balance where both "wear the pants". Basically, don't infantilize your partner or yourself.

Can we talk Mother In Laws? I love Nirmala and Nalini from "Never Have I Ever" as a non-toxic version. Is Peggy Hill a Joyous, Quirky Wife?

@SaraBanartist

Жыл бұрын

She probably thinks she is, anyway

@jessicavictoriacarrillo7254

Жыл бұрын

@@SaraBanartist I think so, she is very optimistic for one.

@SaraBanartist

Жыл бұрын

@jessicavictoriacarrillo7254 right. She's optimistic enough to think she's fun to be around

@originalcosmicgirl

Жыл бұрын

I love Peggy even with her over the top/sometimes problematic too high levels of self-confidence and self-esteem. She definitely should have been included.

@jessicavictoriacarrillo7254

Жыл бұрын

@@originalcosmicgirl Thank you

On Bewitched Samantha was the troublemaker and star of the show

@jenni4claire

3 ай бұрын

Absolutely. Darren was such a drag/nag. Even as a child I wondered what she saw in him.

My favorite sitcom wife will always be Aunt Vivian (the original) from Fresh Prince

I don’t think this channel actually watched King of Queens. Carrie and Doug were equal troublemakers in different ways. That’s what made them perfect for each other. In an entertaining toxic way. The show never depicts Carrie as too good for Doug - she’s pretty but not a homemaker, she struggles in her job, she’s MEAN and violent… in a hilarious way. She can’t keep friends. It’s basically 50/50 between Doug and Carrie which one is causing trouble and has to fix the other.

No love of Chili in bluey? All the love goes to Bandit (rightfully so, Dads have been abused for years) but Chili is a pretty three dimensional mom. The fact she arguably suffers from depression is pretty unique for a mom character (especially a cartoon mom for kids)

@melodyclark1944

Жыл бұрын

Dads have been abused? Chili suffers from depression? I mean I haven't seen the whole show, but it doesn't feel that way to me.

@paulneligh5095

Жыл бұрын

@@melodyclark1944 uh yeah cartoon and tv dads are notoriously treated like they are buffoons, I could literally name them until I'm blue in the face lol As for the Chili thing - it's not said directly but the creators of bluey have all kinds of stuff for adults who care enough to look into it. Like her having had a miscarriage before having bluey is another one. If you are bored do a quick Google on it, some people take it very seriously lol

Y'all didn't mention " Florida Evans or Louise Jefferson,they defentily should've been mentioned here.

@originalcosmicgirl

Жыл бұрын

I agree. I think they should have included more wives and families of different races and ethnicities. They sometimes had experiences and expectations placed upon them that were different than their white counterparts. These things also changed throughout the different eras.

Linda Belcher is my favorite !

Great video. I’m going to have to check out some more of the shows you mentioned

I watched these kind sitcoms when I was a child and I always wondered, why is she with that guy?

My mum was one of the few in our neighbourhood that was the breadwinner, my dad has a job but it’s more for fun and is seasonal. It’s my mum who makes the makes money and so I literally grew up never under the traditional gender roles. On top of that, it’s my dad who nags and always disciplines me while my mum is the fun one and the one I’d consider my friend since all our time together is spent doing enjoyable things

I loved Lois in Malcolm in the Middle. She was the modern mom who was a blue collared worker and yelled to make her point across because of having six males in the house, but her toughness was necessary as a woman who had to do everything in raising a family that barely made ends meet. The ending was a great sendoff showing everything she does for Malcolm was to get out of poverty and be a better person. Also Wanda in the Bernie Mac show was a great adoptive mother to her husbands nieces and nephew and did call out when she was emotionally hurt, including giving herself a "me," day.

Omg love the retro vibe you are currently in🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉

I’m seeing Modern Family again but this time as a married woman and it’s infuriating to see Phil, he’s not a good guy, he doesn’t learn and Clair is still carrying everything… I just caaan’t

@IngleseconAnna

Жыл бұрын

Phil has some redeeming qualities, but being married to a man like that must be exhausting... I'm watching Modern Family for the second time as well 😅

@mastersnet18

Жыл бұрын

How is he not a good guy? In what world?

@woohooboy

Жыл бұрын

@@mastersnet18 - He loves his wife and children but is SO clueless in the way he deals with things. His inability to "read the room" and pick up on things makes him comes off as clumsy and childish in his approach to many situations.

@mastersnet18

Жыл бұрын

@@woohooboy that’s what makes it funny though. I guess we just have different senses of humor.

@woohooboy

Жыл бұрын

@@mastersnet18 - Oh it's funny (don't get me wrong) but Phil's lack of awareness regarding certain things can also be irritating as well......

Della Duck from Ducktales (2017), Nancy Green from Big City Greens, and Linda Belcher from Bob's Burgers are my favorite TV moms because they have personalities that are fun while still being loving parents

Love the Kevin can go (you know what) himself show

@trinaq

Жыл бұрын

Agreed, it's one of the best meta dramedies in recent years, and a great starring vehicle for Annie Murphy.

@Puerco-Potter

Жыл бұрын

​@@wisdom9091is this a bot trying to learn English?

I like to see my own mom as an IRL sitcom wife, she's hard working, smart, witty, determined, wise, and loving. She had to deal with many challenges with her childhood and adulthood, like my dad's motorcycle accident less than a year after their wedding, my little brother's autism diagnosis, finding jobs in a post 2008 recession world, and my dropping out of college due to mental health issues. My mom is a champ and deserves her flowers.

I loved “Kevin can go F himself” so much. I really hope there is another season.

What's interesting is that the husband and wife comedy stereotypes date back to even before the Roman Empire but we're probably made most recognisable through the Roman comic playwright Plautus

I'm a guy and I can only hope to be half as quick-witted as Claire when I become a parent.

How are you not gonna mention Lois Wilkerson from Malcom in the Middle? The show that was basically Young Sheldon before Young Sheldon, it has over 30 awards and nominations, and that show had the most realistic depiction of what lower if not lowest middle class was like I the 2000s. Shame on you The Take, same on you.

It struck me watching this how few single parent households you see on tv

@sallyjrwjrw6766

Жыл бұрын

It's the same reason why they usually have 3 kids instead of 2: bigger well for character interactions and storylines.

@mastersnet18

Жыл бұрын

The first one was I believe the sitcom Julia in the 60s.

@jenni4claire

3 ай бұрын

It used to be the norm, though usual widow/widowers, rather than divorce or just always single. From the Partridge Family, My Three Sons, Courtship of Eddie's Father, One Day at a Time, etc. Very common

Gloria is my hero

@user-mn5si5jd5z

Жыл бұрын

Gloria monica

Mortica Addams and Lilly Munster both not mentioned here were game changers too. Mortica was seen actually loving her husband and not just a sweet peck either it was hinted at what happened behind closed doors. Lilly was seen sharing a bed with her husband which at the time was a huge no no just look to I Love Lucy or even Dick Van Dike Show to see this in action.

@kittykittybangbang9367

Жыл бұрын

I've noticed that spooky couples are always usually the best relationship you'll ever see.

Could you guys do a special on tv husbands and there struggles?

I’m only a few minutes in but if you don’t include Roseanne I’m gonna be pissed. She was a trailblazer in the 90s.

I love this videos but now that you put music in the background I find it difficult to concentrate 😅

You guys missed a prime opportunity to include Beth from Rick and Morty

Jill Taylor from Home Improvement reminds me of my sister Kathy

Dharma & Greg is a good inversion

Florida from Good Times was not mentioned :/

Linda is the best sitcom wife because she's not just "the woman behind the man" or "the ideal woman". She has a shitton of love for her family, but she also gets to be as wacky and out of control as her kids while her husband is the beleaguered put-upon sensible wet blanket who has to keep everything in line...while still being wrong about a lot of things.

The couples on tv i grew up with always made me question why cis hetero couples got married when they dont even seem to be friends

My favorite sitcom moms were Carol Brady, Marion Cunningham and Elyse Keaton. But Lucy Ricardo is an alltime classic. Claire Huxtable was awesome. And one of my alltime favorite tv characters period is Edith Bunker. Jean Stapleton was absolutely amazing in portraying the evolution of Edith. And she went through so much in a short amount of time but remained relatable, compassionate, and the heart of her show. Out of all the sitcom moms Edith is who I would want to be friends with.

Phelicia Rashad was the Queen of the 80s. Gorgeous, classy, graceful, confidant... she was everything.

8:34 I ONLY KNOW THIS SITCOM BECAUSE OF THE ARGENTINIAN VERSION I fucking love Moni Argento she is such an icon

Can you do a video about trade wives!?

I wish some of these characters were my mom in the real world

There was a scene in King of Queens that perfectly represented my marriage: where Carrie imagines her husband as a giant toddler running toward her and trying to knock her down as she runs away for her life.

How does this video not have Lois of Malcolm in the middle?! The blasphemy!

The Dick Van Dyke show’s last name was pronounced: pet tree. Petrie is my maiden name.

As someone who’s in a non-traditional unblended/blended family unit with two unmarried parents who LAT while raising teens and young adults, I applaud the variety of depictions of sitcom wives and girlfriends, but also definitely want to see that envelope pushed even further.

I really enjoyed this video, I wish George Lopez would have been included!

Shout out to I Married Joan. It was another Lucy-esque show in the 50s. Although Lucy was the bigger show, Joan was pretty damn funny too. My favorite part was she had her real-life daughter play her little sister in the show. Also shout out to Bea Arthur's Maude. I loved her unapologetic feminism in the show and Bea was just an amazing person in general ❤

Can you please do tv dads, and why Ramond Barone is the worst. 😂

Shepherd's Chapel Network !!!!!!! "Getting Down to Where the Rubber Meets the Road" ....... Amen

7:14 and Alice.

We might need to expand our horizon with sitcom husbands and fathers.

I missed Lois from Malcolm, I though that she could be an interesting addition to the topic

Hi! Can you please ensure the captions are correct and done well next time y'all upload a video? It would be much appreciated by many, I'm sure!

Frankie Heck

It's Laura "Peh-tree" not "Pee-tree"

I'm disappointed that you didn't include the original sarcastic out of his league wife, Alice from the honeymooners.

dude, seriously, kcfh was so underrated

I was thinking about asking why Jessica Walter's character in Archer was missed, then I saw that she is a Single Parent, another trope that I am hoping to see you examine.

I didn't care for Cheryl on "Curb Your Enthusiasm ". She could be a stuck up snob and was not above playing the "Do you know who my husband is" card to get priority seating at restaurants.

Parka and recreation 🎉

What about the Disney sitcom wife Y’all gotta stop leaving Disney sitcoms out of the conversation

@pixiebells

Жыл бұрын

I wonder if maybe they didn't add them because they're generally aimed younger audiences and can't have as wide a range of topics & nuance is hard to come by? Or maybe they're planning on doing a standalone video of sitcoms aimed at younger viewers and how it influences young children and how they view families? Maybe it just didn't quite fit the category because of the age difference of the audience.

@madnessarcade7447

Жыл бұрын

@@pixiebellsgood sitcoms are good sitcoms regardless of who they’re aimed at Also they aren’t doing a separate videos they never talk about Disney channel Critics who treat 'adult' as a term of approval, instead of as a merely descriptive term, cannot be adult themselves. To be concerned about being grown up, to admire the grown up because it is grown up, to blush at the suspicion of being childish; these things are the marks of childhood and adolescence. And in childhood and adolescence they are, in moderation, healthy symptoms. Young things ought to want to grow. But to carry on into middle life or even into early manhood this concern about being adult is a mark of really arrested development. When I was ten, I read fairy tales in secret and would have been ashamed if I had been found doing so. Now that I am fifty I read them openly. When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up. C.S. Lewis

@chessieray1465

Жыл бұрын

The thing may be because the parents aren't the main focus. They might have subplots and shine on their own in ways, but it's the kids and teens that are the center.

@madnessarcade7447

Жыл бұрын

@@chessieray1465 so? Read my comment above

@chessieray1465

Жыл бұрын

@@madnessarcade7447 So? So you're just ignoring what I said.

Ahhhh the old “I’m going continue to be a man child & make it seem like my Wife is a nag for no reason YET honestly it’s my character & childish ways the upsets & frustrates her” oh how I love the nagging wife trope 😒

Rochelle was a terrible wife and mother! Julius was working 2 jobs and she kept quitting all her jobs. They lived in the ghetto and were poor but she refused to work. Even CHRIS held a job and he was 14! I remember as a gift to Julius he paid the light bill! 😂😂 She always made Chris do everything while Drew and Tanya got away with murder! She was running the house by yelling at everyone all the time and rarely showed them affection!

@scl97

Жыл бұрын

Unfortunately, a significant minority of black children can relate to that. Not because of of the mom not working, but they cab relate with having a mom who yell and nag all the time.

@MamiTT237

Жыл бұрын

@@scl97 I’m black! My mom is black… I yell and nag! My MILs were Hispanic, they yelled and nagged! I have Jewish friends, white friends, Asian friends… their moms yell and nag too! The PROBLEM, slow-Cum! Is that Rochelle was refusing to work and didn’t make her other kids do one damn thing! It’s not a black woman issue, she’s just a terrible person! You need to check your facts

love it, they are all basically the same they run their houses with iron fist, and mold men to thier liking, and if men complain, they get the silent treatment, or slept on the couch,lol

Everyone hates Lois, not jus Stewie

Alexis de Toqueville in De la démocratie en Amérique said that what made America so successful was the superiority of the American women...

I simultaneously felt sorry for and was extremely annoyed by Debra Barone on Everybody Loves Raymond.

I hate Cheryl because I low key want to marry Larry David lol

Lucy and Ricky were not an “interracial couple.”

@originalcosmicgirl

Жыл бұрын

Thank you! I was going to post this myself before I saw yours. While they are of different ethnicities, they were both white. I know that marrying a person of a different ethnicity could be a problem back then, depending on the ethnic groups involved, it was not nearly the same as the problems an interracial couple would face. Especially in places where interracial marriages were illegal.

@nataliaalfonso2662

Жыл бұрын

@@originalcosmicgirl yeah. Their marriage was literally legal in a time where interracial marriages were not. Neither in the US nor in Cuba. Lmfao. I dunno why they said that.

@mastersnet18

Жыл бұрын

They were at the time. Hispanics are still considered a race most of the time even today. You’re forgetting that this was the 1950s, and that was considered very daring for the time. Historical relativism is important. Btw interracial marriages were only illegal in some states (mostly southern) and some had laws so strict this marriage would have been illegal too. I mean many people were wary of marrying someone of a different denomination, so a different ethnicity would have been even more wild.

@nataliaalfonso2662

Жыл бұрын

@@mastersnet18 yes. Exactly. This was during a time when interracial relationships were illegal. Theirs WAS NOT. Helloooooooooo????!?

@nataliaalfonso2662

Жыл бұрын

@@mastersnet18 you’re not understanding. Miscegenation was ILLEGAL at the time. Both in USA and Cuba. There marriage was not. It is not an interracial marriage. I’m always trying to explain to people that white Hispanics are not only white, not only have always been white, but literally invented white supremacy in the new world! Why don’t people get this? She didn’t marry an Afro-Cuban, that would have been illegal. And she didn’t marry and indigenous south or Central American, or a Taino or Ciboney from Cuba! He’s a white Cuban! Yes he has dark mediterranean features, the way a French or Spanish or Italian or greek person might have, but he was literally a descendant of CUBAN NONBILITY. This was not an interracial marriage.

Bob's burgers.. wah wah

Oh wow, the derision with which you spoke of Mrs. Cleaver finding fulfillment in housework and raising her children wasn't great! Perhaps what you meant that contempt to express was that she "only" finds fulfillment in housework and raising her children. God forbid women not wanting to participate in the market! Women are allowed to enjoy traditional womanly roles without being disrespected by other women.

@Bubaiel

Жыл бұрын

I think the reason is probably because it was written in such a 2d way unlike modern characters who might choose that for themselves

@mastersnet18

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Yea I found that very annoying and rolled my eyes hard. God forbid a woman doesn’t do what the feminists say and become a wage slave like everyone else! So much for “progress”. Women always have to put other women down. Also the way she said “even back in the 50s” with absolute derision. Like the 50s were the dark ages.

@mastersnet18

Жыл бұрын

@@Bubaieland why is there an assumption that she didn’t choose that?

The shear fact is that husbands used to be smart, caring, and dependable. No they're all too often childish clods.

The sitcom wife is the perfection of the woman creature.

Talk about stats: How many shows are made for men 18-35 vs women 35 - 50. How many shows are made for men that include women vs shows made for women. What about media made of only mother/mothering representation vs media made for chosen childless “post prime” women.

@CordeliaWagner1999

3 ай бұрын

Two and a Half men feels like the target Audience is Men. In Germany we have a whole TV channel for Men or at least Men's typical interests like Cars, Bearbeitung Grills and other survival shows, Doch.entaries about warfare and Soldiers, Sports like Racing, Darts, Pool, Snooker and on and on. I don't think that men can't find TV Entertainment that's made with their Interest in mind.