I feel like Urbans and Praetorians exist only to highlight Roman overall infantry superiority, but the Roman factions don't really need better infantry than the Legionary cohort

@qualityoldgames7721

Ай бұрын

Agreed on that :) Thanks for the comment.

Man I love Infantry/Pike fights way more than in medieval 2. It feels like in Rome they are out for blood surrounding enemies and pikes are more disciplined, not leaving formations.

@qualityoldgames7721

Ай бұрын

Thanks for the comment. They do break formation in Rome as well but agreed that not nearly as often :)

Legionary cohort is much better than Early legionary cohort. Both have same stats except Legionary cohort has +5 more armor. Legionary cohort beat phalanxes and bull warriors while Early cohort dont. Armor is a good stat for melee situations.

@qualityoldgames7721

Ай бұрын

Fully agreed on that one :) Thanks for the comment.

In defense of the Royal Pikemen, their shields and armor make them more resistant to missiles than other pikemen which negates one of the biggest vulnerabilities of frontline pikemen. They can usually trade well with elite Roman infantry if they are commanded. As in the player keeps them in formation. This battle does illustrate their weakness when their formation is broken.

@qualityoldgames7721

Ай бұрын

Thanks for the comment. Fully agreed on that. In player's hands most units can be good :)

More proof please. good video :)

@qualityoldgames7721

Ай бұрын

Thanks for the comment. That is the plan :)

Also pikes need to be 4 deep…..5 or more deep is useless in my opinion cause the problem is not the front but the wings…….😊😊

@micalangenburg1706

Ай бұрын

Yeah, it would be nice if the tests against Phalanx units is the flanks doesn't get exposed. If you play this in an actual battle, the fight would be more competent since the Phalanx is well protected.

@qualityoldgames7721

Ай бұрын

Agreed. Imo the optimal depth is 4 for spear phalanxes and 6 for pike ones :) Thanks for the comment.

@qualityoldgames7721

Ай бұрын

@@micalangenburg1706 Thanks for the comment. Agreed. We are doing a test about the different "scenarios" of Pikes vs other infantry :)

@micalangenburg1706

Ай бұрын

@@qualityoldgames7721 Awesome! looking forward to the next video 🙏

Defense (as in, holding the line)? Royal tier. Offense? Which end of the pike goes forward? Their biggest problem seems to be they need an hour to kill something, meanwhile their flanks collapse as soon as anything gets there.

@qualityoldgames7721

Ай бұрын

Thanks for the comment. Agreed on that. Heavy armor seems to work quite well against even Royal Pikes :)

That’s crazy. I thought the pikes would beat the legionary cohort!

@qualityoldgames7721

Ай бұрын

Thanks for the comment. If they had their flanks covered, they would have fared better :)

the legionaries did better than the urbans? o_0

@Spiror

Ай бұрын

@@ilegalsheepbutcher basic royal pikes beat all legions , if not surrounded the pikes win even urbans ….. pikes need to extend even if they are 3-4 deep….they can win. If surounded is game over cause 5 attack is not good 😊

@user-gn1de6jg1m

Ай бұрын

​@@Spirorну вы же сами были свидетелями того что легионерам хватает брони чтобы проходить основной силой в лоб, фланги атаковали незначительные силы, горожане вообще потеряли пол состава почти сразу ,бегая и все равно уничтожили .

@qualityoldgames7721

Ай бұрын

The Urban movement "bugged" and during that they suffered quite heavy casualties :) Thanks for the comment.

@qualityoldgames7721

Ай бұрын

@@Spiror Might be :) Thanks for the comment.

@qualityoldgames7721

Ай бұрын

@@user-gn1de6jg1m A very valid point :) Thanks for the comment.

Fun fact: Macedonian sarissophoroi could use the long pike only with two hands. Thus, I can’t understand how Royal Pikemen could even exist with their full-size shield

@qualityoldgames7721

Ай бұрын

Thanks for the comment. A very valid point :D Another historical controversy in Rome.

Why even elite pikes have 5 sword attack why. I swear without phalanx they will lose to warbands

@user-gn1de6jg1m

Ай бұрын

Они побеждают гастатов и на равных бьются с принципами на мечах , да у них 5 атака против 7 но их на 80 больше

@user-gn1de6jg1m

Ай бұрын

Видео интересное они почти разбили горожан , которые отбились хуже первой когорты из за плохого поиска пути во время атаки)

@rkeykey

Ай бұрын

@@user-gn1de6jg1m А ещё они элитные юниты из т4 барака, буквально лучшие пикинеры в игре. Брать стены это боль, несёшь потери 5к1 против Рима. Дали бы хоть агрираспидам 7 атаки чтобы они не были даунгрейдом македонских пикинеров.

@user-gn1de6jg1m

Ай бұрын

@@rkeykey можно зайти в файл дескрюнитс и сделать)

@qualityoldgames7721

Ай бұрын

Yea, that valued is quite small :) Thanks for the comment.

I find defense mode useless against roman legioners. Should off this mode.

@user-gn1de6jg1m

Ай бұрын

Он почему-то плохо работает у сариссофоров ,у меня результат был хуже, быстрее ломается строй и большинство переходят на мечи

@qualityoldgames7721

Ай бұрын

Thanks for the comment. We are planning on doing a test for different tactics and scenarios how this could play out :)

Anyone who likes phalanx/pikemen in rome 1 should try the diadochi mod

@qualityoldgames7721

Ай бұрын

Ah, sounds intriguing :) Thanks for the comment.

@aamil93

29 күн бұрын

Thought Ib was the only one around who remembers this jewel, the addition of real heavy infantry did justice to thw hellenic factions, and the aor mechanics is on another level 💪🏼💪🏼

@TheMylittletony

27 күн бұрын

@@aamil93 I was so addicted to it that I conquered the entire world map XD

@aamil93

25 күн бұрын

​@@TheMylittletony same here, Pyrrhus' grandsons ruled from Iberia to India, with whom you did it?

Will you start testing barbarian invasion troops? Can't wait😂

@qualityoldgames7721

Ай бұрын

At the moment, BI vs vanilla units. But later the plan is to focus more on BI units :) Thanks for the comment.

This does not resemble the actual fight quite well. See, the wall of pike pinned the Romans down well, neither side got any casualties there; that would be an eternal fight if their flanks did not get melted down by Roman gladius. Such things would not be the case as skirmishers, cavalry and multiple pike units cover each others' flanks

@qualityoldgames7721

29 күн бұрын

Thanks for the comment. Agreed, these tests are always a sinplification :)

Legion chads stay winning.

@qualityoldgames7721

Ай бұрын

Indeed they do :) Thanks for the comment.

I only prefer Legionnary First Cohort and Urban Cohort , only this two unit were much advantage to engage Royal Pikemen

@qualityoldgames7721

Ай бұрын

Thanks for the comment. Yea, they are really good. At the same time, quite costly and difficult to get :)

Is there any chance that we see full review of mercenaries in Medieval 2 Total War?

@frels1337

Ай бұрын

Mercenary Crossbowmen are best.

@qualityoldgames7721

Ай бұрын

That is the plan at some point, not in near future though :) Thanks for the comment.

@alfredostroessner4486

Ай бұрын

@@frels1337 and khwarazmian cavalry

@alfredostroessner4486

Ай бұрын

@@qualityoldgames7721 Thank you. I will look forward.

Legion vs 1st legion & praetorian vs urban makes weird result. Consider about this, royal pikeman beat the normal legion in multi vs multi.

@qualityoldgames7721

Ай бұрын

Thanks for the comment. Yea, flanks being secured helps quite a bit :)

Again with the wrong phalanx use?

@qualityoldgames7721

Ай бұрын

Thanks for the comment. The vid was recorded before the release of the previous one :)