Awesome machine, I've seen it racing in Monza last year, kept average speed 64 km/h for one hour and a half and power meters said average power was about 180 W (data found in a forum or whatever). I wonder if it has motorcycle brakes or parachute for steep descents... I didn't buy one only because of that extra zero on the right side of the price! 😅

@pedroclaro7822

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah 34k for the thing with full extras is insane

@johnyang1420

2 жыл бұрын

@@pedroclaro7822 Not really….if you are passionate about high speed cycling.

Sensational. Incredibly well sorted!

The best design so far that i seen. Need to steal))

@Glen -- understood; this purpose is served really well

i’ve seen the kick stand flaps but that foot flap is genius!

very instructive, many thanks for this rhubarb. I'not fully convinced about the real world argument -- in my real world there are lots more people on bikes, walking, paying no attention, riding the wrong side of the path, in my world there are many more cars pulling out from somewhere, and my hills can be much longer.

@rhubarb2407

8 жыл бұрын

+rhein228 @rhein228 - I agree with you so far as I also think my DF (or my old mango) is more practical for my commuting. The purpose of this video is to show what the PoB is capable of, and I think it will surprise many people.

@glenstickley3539

8 жыл бұрын

+rhein228 The video was made for Charles Henry to use as part of his talk on the Peregrin on Birk at the recent Velomobile Seminar in Austria. I am not trying to convince anyone that the PoB is more practical than a DF or a Mango. Rather that point of the video is that the PoB is much more usable on the road than many people have thought a 2-wheel streamliner ever could be. The video simply demonstrates some of the things that the PoB is capable of.

@casualguy393

2 жыл бұрын

@@glenstickley3539 You are right Glen. I think this bike would be incredibly practical. In all honesty it doesn't take much more effort in stopping and starting than any other bike. Throw in that it is much more efficient, offers weather protection and safety, and has much more speed potential than other bikes this is an incredible piece of engineering.

Amazing!

Very nice bicycle. Succesful.

Looks fantastic on good Ozzie roads with relatively light traffic- IMHO it would be very different in the UK and Europe where I ride my Quest. (vastly more trucks, cars, and even bikes! and on roads with huge potholes and broken surfaces) In summary - Brisbane isn't the "real world".

@KandiKlover

5 жыл бұрын

Nah it'll work fine if you really want it to. Its easy to work with absurd things.

@johnyang1420

3 жыл бұрын

@Rob James I keep hearing this but rarely see accident reports.

buen vídeo del hpv. good vídeo.

There’s so much to this that was done right, at the expense of space. I’d imagine using 3 wheels can fix that problem if you kept the front exactly the way it is and have 2 wheels at the rear. Great way to add a boot, a power source or even a folding bicycle! Plus with a rear differential and the front wheel to turn 90° in both directions, it could have a sub 1.0m turning radius.

@Mumpitzable

3 жыл бұрын

nearly like the superawesome looking velotilt, but not a good idea. freehubs instead of diff is more efficient, a gear means always lost energy, a pro example is the quattrovelo rearaxle. if you wouldnt make it wider at the rearend (which would make the streamline shape much worse), then it needs the wheels extra faired and outside the vehicle... this causes more drag than you could imagine. and the stability in corners from a 3-wheeler with 2 wheels at the rear is horrible compared with 2 at the front and 1 rear... the reasons why nearly every vm has its wheels at the front and not outside of its groundshape. this makes automatically a dropshape, which is the best. the pob has also a dropshape when you look at it from above. when the frontwheel would be able to do 90° then there must be a big/wide cutout in the botton = a lot drag. what drag can cause: a dfxl at 49kmh needs without hood 190w, instead of 157w with hood. a small child pennant makes it already 2-3kmh slower at speeds around 40-50kmh. greetings

@rossbrumby1957

2 жыл бұрын

To have the front wheel turn near 90 degrees you would need front wheel drive for propulsion to be usable.

@casualguy393

Жыл бұрын

The Varna 24 comes to mind, but that thing isn't going to have a small turning radius.

i hope you get laserlight for the 1800chf extra for lighting and indicators.

Where can I buy one like that?

What is the height of it ?

Very nice. How does it compare to your velomobile? Asking because I've owned an F40 bicycle, and a velomobile, and am curious.

@rhubarb2407

8 жыл бұрын

Hard question to answer Doug. The PoB doesn't belong to me and I've never ridden it. Aerodynamically its faster on a straight smooth road, but I think the DF would be faster in most real world conditions, with faster takeoffs, faster cornering on uneven surfaces etc. The PoB is more susceptible to cross winds than the DF as well. But as the video shows, its a LOT more practical than you'd imagine.

Seems to be a few principle advantages over a 3-wheeled velomobile of similar construction: lower frontal area, lower rolling resistance due to one less wheel, and perhaps slightly lower weight from lower shell surface area. Looks like it’d be fun!

@rossbrumby1957

2 жыл бұрын

It has been scientifically proven that 3 wheels has lower rolling resistance than 2 regarding bike wheels and shared load. In practicality the low frontal area of the 2 wheeler makes a much bigger efficiency.

@casualguy393

Жыл бұрын

@@rossbrumby1957 It would seem that 2 wheels would have less, but if you have a link to share then I'd love to read about it. I get that the PoB likely has less wind resistance than a Mango and maybe all velomobiles. I am only on a V20 so both would leave me in the dust all things being equal but I love learning new stuff about faired recumbents, velomobiles and streamliners.

@eelcohoogendoorn8044

Ай бұрын

Id say the biggest advantage is that single track dynamics is safer than multi-track. Only one track of potholes to worry about; no overturning moment generated by potholes, no overturning moment generated by cornering. Much safer at speed for those reasons.

I don't see the point to use Velomobile if they don't have electrical assistance. Just using a on wheel motor with some batteries and regen. It makes the vehicle way way more useful. Aerodynamics has a real advantage if your average speed is above 40 km/h. And if you don't suffer a lot the climbing. An electric motor assist solve all those issues, it would allow you to have higher speeds up to 90 km/h with ease, it allows you to climb and regen power. it allows you to go to your work without getting sweaty. Small solar panels can charge your vehicle meanwhile it is on parking increasing your range. Without electric assistance, a bicycle would be always more useful and cheap.

Impressive.

Very interesting ! I used to rid on 2 wheels in this position. Very stable. So where can we get information about your velomobile, with the famous special possiblity to have one foot on the ground, when stopping. Fot speed it would be faster...isn't ?

@rhubarb2407

3 жыл бұрын

see the website here: speedbikes.ch/pob

excellent video, thanks, really instructive! What about lateral wind ? And in terms of speed compared to the DF ?

@rhubarb2407

8 жыл бұрын

+Daniele G It does get pushed around a bit in strong crosswinds, but really only at high speed. The PoB is faster than a DF on a race track, no question, due to better aerodynamics, but the gap is closed a lot out on the street. In many scenarios, the DF would be faster. Its marginal either way though and would not be the deciding factor.

@daniele_go

8 жыл бұрын

rhubarb2407 Thanks! This confirms my thoughts....regards

@ericoullereau

3 жыл бұрын

@@rhubarb2407 when would be the DF faster ?

@pedroclaro7822

2 жыл бұрын

@@ericoullereau stoplights. Having to stop with the PoB is a PRoB

@casualguy393

2 жыл бұрын

@@pedroclaro7822 Yes, but only in acceleration. Once up to speed the PoB would easily pass any DF bike.

Interesting... compared to the three wheeled velomobiles, this streamliner has tighter turning radius and is faster as well!

@pedroclaro7822

2 жыл бұрын

Yeap, it's better for commuting and general riding unless you intend to stop often st spotlights, climb a lot of hills or pack some extra gear. it's lack of stability at slow speeds is an issue, but for racing and overall daredevils it looks perfect

@rulzscycle

2 жыл бұрын

@@pedroclaro7822 where can I get a POB 2 wheel?

This is nice, where can i buy one?

@rhubarb2407

Жыл бұрын

speedbikes.ch/pob

So it is two wheels? How do you stay stable for so long when the doors shut?

@petesig93

6 жыл бұрын

How do you stay so stable while climbing at 3 kmh on an 18% climb? Or are the riders both Olympic road champs?

I want to see Sagan race one Or any inhuman wattage machine

Not a feasible option in India the ground clearance is too low. A three tyred velomobile is overall a better more stable machine, if you aren't a racer.

Is that for sale in America?

@rhubarb2407

Жыл бұрын

You would need to buy it and import it from the manufacturer @ speedbikes.ch/pob

Did you make it ?? At which cost ? Can I get your contact ? I am from India , I just started to working like this type of bycycles . So I need some help to make it successful .

@rhubarb2407

3 жыл бұрын

I am not the owner or the maker of this bike. Refer to speedbikes.ch/pob for details.

@dhruvmodi8704

3 жыл бұрын

Okay 👍

@johnyang1420

3 жыл бұрын

About 36-37k us dollars…..stop buying used cars and get a part time job and you can have one of the fastest bikes in the world!!!

Any luggage-carrying capacity?

@rhubarb2407

6 жыл бұрын

Yes - the section behind the seat provides a lot more space than you'd think.

@bobdobalina798

5 жыл бұрын

Rhubarb are you riding the velo ?????

@johnyang1420

2 жыл бұрын

@@bobdobalina798 He us

how about strong cross winds

@rhubarb2407

6 жыл бұрын

Yes it can be susceptible to strong cross winds

@KandiKlover

5 жыл бұрын

You fall on the side and slide around all over the road. Plenty of videos of this even on test strips.

S potrebbe vedere interno abitacolo come usa più approfonditamente insomma vedere da vicino?

@rhubarb2407

8 жыл бұрын

+fabrizio olmeda speedbikes.ch/peregrin-on-a-birk/

@fabrizioolmeda1747

8 жыл бұрын

grazie video e foto molto interessanti veramente eccezionale ho notato anche una vasta gamma di modelli

@magnummax78

5 жыл бұрын

rhubarb2407, is this the price in dollars?

@tilmanrodewald4362

5 жыл бұрын

@@magnummax78 Price is in CHF

@tilmanrodewald4362

5 жыл бұрын

@@rhubarb2407 new website speedbikes.ch/pob

How much faster is it as a 3 wheeler ??

@rhubarb2407

3 жыл бұрын

That's highly dependent on the scenario and the type of 3 wheeler involved, but in ideal conditions (no wind, smooth straight track) I would estimate it is 3-5km/hr faster than the current best performing 3 wheelers. Of course, the current best performing 3 wheelers are also 10km/hr+ faster than older 3 wheelers.

@Lufftschwimmer

2 жыл бұрын

@@rhubarb2407 what are you doing when you have a puncture in the back wheel ??

@rhubarb2407

2 жыл бұрын

@@Lufftschwimmer With tubeless tyres most punctures seal themselves or with the aid of a dynaplug. If you do need to replace the rear tyre, the rear fairing can be removed.

the biggest problem that you did not mention here is Breaking Distance at high speed. Let's say you're going 60kph on a road, how many meters to stop in a emergency situation. It's the same problem with Road bikes (with 25mn tires), there is not enough surface for efficient braking, without talking on wet surfaces. That's why those vehicule won't be homologated on the road (i mean roads above 50kph).

Did you buy one?

@rhubarb2407

8 жыл бұрын

+deezynar Ha - no. It belongs to a mate. The white DF is mine.

@deezynar

8 жыл бұрын

rhubarb2407 I was just wondering. Thanks. You haven't posted any ride videos lately. Too busy?

@rhubarb2407

8 жыл бұрын

+deezynar Yeah - I have a few ideas for a few more which I'll make soon though. Stay tuned ;-)

PoB must be more efficient than a velomobile, but actual number would show what it worth extra hassle of riding PoB.. Can u, guys, attach power-meters to BB of both PoB and a velomobile being ridden abreast. Thx

You sum up all my reasons to own one

No visible crosswind in any of these scenarios.

Seems just as practical as a velo. Narrower, lighter, cheaper, a simple bike underneath, faster. Those foot flaps work really well and solve any stability issues. And the teardrop shape seems appropriate for 'our' now totally fucked planet.

@romaincondat6332

5 жыл бұрын

At 30000€ it is not cheaper than a velomobil. The most expensives start at 15000€ and most common model start at 8-9000€

@andy-the-gardener

4 жыл бұрын

@@romaincondat6332 i stand corrected; thats just ridiculous. however, the teardrop bit was still fcking funny

@johnyang1420

3 жыл бұрын

@@andy-the-gardener Yet people buy 70k new cars that depreciate like a rock. Its about passion.

@andy-the-gardener

2 жыл бұрын

@@johnyang1420 arogance, ignorance and stupidity more like. and they dont really buy the fucking things anyway. by doing some pointless oil based activity called a job they prove they are societally compliant enough to 'earn' the trust of banks that then loan energy tokens made up out of thin air, which they pay back by fucking up the world even more.

@johnyang1420

2 жыл бұрын

@@andy-the-gardener PoB is about passion.

"Real world conditions", you say? You guys are driving on the wrong side of the road, down there - THAT's pretty unreal. Also, in northern Illinois and most other parts of the Midwest, the weather is not as predictable as it is where you are; a little rain, a little snow, maybe some sleet at times and pretty soon, the PoB is on its side, sliding across the pavement - ruining that beautiful paint job. I'm thinking that in Switzerland, they ride these indoors, if the weather isn't just right. All seriousness aside, I agree with what MINO73 said, "I didn't buy one only because of that extra zero on the right side of the price!". The PoB is easily worth much more than that (1/10 of the cost), but as it is, the price tag is pretty steep for most of us.

@johnyang1420

3 жыл бұрын

Stop buying new cars and buy used cars at $5k and work overtime. Stop eating out. For one of the fastest bikes in the world, it is not that expensive.

@Brian-bp5pe

3 жыл бұрын

@@johnyang1420 Hey John, don't be so serious. I didn't say the PoB isn't worth the price, but it is impractical in my part of the world, as it couldn't be ridden during half of the year. And the price is high, as compared to even the most expensive velomobiles; about four times the cost of a Quattrovelo, for instance.

@johnyang1420

3 жыл бұрын

Its not practical for you anyway. Its one of the fastest bikes in the world. The price is not that high compared to the fastest cars in the world. Based on seeing people blow tons of money on new cars, Id rather skip the new car, buy a used car and get the PoB. But you might be better off with a velomobile. The velomobile prices are actually quite reasonable.

@Brian-bp5pe

3 жыл бұрын

@@johnyang1420 Hang it up, John. There are more important things to stress about than this. If you want to buy one, then go out and buy one. No one will stop you, I promise.

@johnyang1420

2 жыл бұрын

@@Brian-bp5pe Im buying one!!! Cheers!!!!

bet it gets blasted off the road by a passing car

@rhubarb2407

6 жыл бұрын

Bob Americana No it doesn't

@johnyang1420

3 жыл бұрын

Not even close. I ride a Lightning F90. I never get blown off road.

@johnyang1420

3 жыл бұрын

Ride one instead of guessing.

@Glen -- understood; this purpose is served really well