How powerful is Elrond?

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  • @InDeepGeek
    @InDeepGeekАй бұрын

    This is a revised and updated version of a video first published in August 2021.

  • @PiscatorLager

    @PiscatorLager

    Ай бұрын

    Ah, sounded so familiar to me. Still, well done!

  • @markusvlad7217

    @markusvlad7217

    Ай бұрын

    Mr. Frodoo....

  • @minibro73

    @minibro73

    Ай бұрын

    Can you give a quick summary of how your view on the topic changed when you revise older videos like this one ?

  • @bbgun061

    @bbgun061

    Ай бұрын

    The 'magic' in Tolkein's legendarium isn't like the magic in other fantasy stories. In many of those, an aspiring wizard can learn new spells and gain powers he did not previously have. But we don't really see that in Middle Earth. Rather, I think that certain characters have innate supernatural abilities instead of magic. They can learn and hone these abilities, becoming masters of their craft. They can even put their supernatural power into physical objects. But it always starts with them having these innate supernatural abilities based on who they are. The Maiar, the Elves, the Rangers, all have amounts of power equal proportionate to their race. Ordinary men, dwarves, and hobbits don't really have any supernatural power, although they can use 'magic' items. And some of them can resist more powerful beings, like Farmer Maggot telling the ringwaith to be gone.

  • @jackdavis855

    @jackdavis855

    Ай бұрын

    Sounds the same to me but still interesting!

  • @alexiachimciuc3199
    @alexiachimciuc3199Ай бұрын

    Dodging bullets , multiplying himself, punching concrete and flying.

  • @dagradaedelot

    @dagradaedelot

    Ай бұрын

    Agent elrond

  • @masterofdizzzaster

    @masterofdizzzaster

    Ай бұрын

    He's also bulletproof, like ideas

  • @tempodan

    @tempodan

    Ай бұрын

    Mr. Bagginson 🕴🏽

  • @Matthew10950

    @Matthew10950

    Ай бұрын

    Tell me, what good are elf songs when you don't have the ability...to speak?

  • @kleuafflatus

    @kleuafflatus

    Ай бұрын

    That's why I thought Hugo weaving an odd choice for Elrond in the beginning. I imagine Elrond to be a wise but powerful man figure, very similar that to gandalf in terms of demeanor but visibly younger. He's a bit too intense if you ask me, especially the scene when he gave the sword to Aragorn. But then of course he is Elrond now, beside a bit too intense, he's perfect

  • @fydofire
    @fydofireАй бұрын

    All his power couldn't stop me from laughing in cinema when Frodo woke up and looked into Agent Smiths smiling face.

  • @renferal5290

    @renferal5290

    Ай бұрын

    LOL

  • @robburkhard9256

    @robburkhard9256

    Ай бұрын

    What can we say, it was a good time:)

  • @StrangerNoises

    @StrangerNoises

    Ай бұрын

    "Misster Underhill. It appears you've been leading two lives..."

  • @raymondcoventry1221

    @raymondcoventry1221

    Ай бұрын

    Agent Elrond: Humanity is a disease on Middle-Earth, we Elves are the cure.

  • @martinzyka6432

    @martinzyka6432

    Ай бұрын

    ​@@StrangerNoisesyou made my day with this 😂😂😂

  • @simonrudduck8726
    @simonrudduck8726Ай бұрын

    Hugo Weaving deserves huge respect for such an iconic performance.

  • @CryptidRenfri

    @CryptidRenfri

    28 күн бұрын

    One of the GOATS of acting imo

  • @DrankenDune
    @DrankenDuneАй бұрын

    Maybe Elrond’s “air” powers are used to give the Hidden Valley fair weather? That seems to be how the elves use their magic most frequently. Natural and enhancing things rather than forcing change.

  • @jackpowell9276

    @jackpowell9276

    Ай бұрын

    I think some element is preservation if i understand it right. Preserving the ancient magic of the world in their small corners, and in some cases enhancing a bit. In the earliest days, the world was far more magical and fantastical throughout.

  • @DrankenDune

    @DrankenDune

    Ай бұрын

    Preserving! Yes that’s a better description. But still the ring adds to it. You can feel the magic of Imladris before you reach the city.

  • @mikedeck8381

    @mikedeck8381

    Ай бұрын

    It was considered to be the most powerful of the elven rings but it wasn't designed to be a weapon of war. It seemed like it was used for healing and preserving knowledge. I suppose Elrond could handle himself in a fight if he needed to.

  • @bbgun061

    @bbgun061

    Ай бұрын

    Magic isn't really a good word for this in Tolkein's legendarium. I prefer to say, innate supernatural abilities.

  • @DrankenDune

    @DrankenDune

    Ай бұрын

    @@bbgun061 But they specifically use the word magic in that world? You just have to change your understanding.

  • @brianmessemer2973
    @brianmessemer2973Ай бұрын

    Acknowledgements to Hugo Weaving who embodied Elrond so very convincingly and with great natural authority. The man played Elrond and Smith, two so very opposite characters yet both equally essential pillars to their respective universes. I don't see Smith when I'm watching Elrond, nor visa versa. A very, very great actor indeed. Love the channel and this video, I'd watched the older version more than once. Nice refresh!

  • @silmarian

    @silmarian

    Ай бұрын

    Don’t forget Priscilla, Queen of the Desert!

  • @gojewla

    @gojewla

    Ай бұрын

    @@silmarianthat’s always what I see when I watch him as elrond

  • @martavdz4972

    @martavdz4972

    Ай бұрын

    Agreed! I´ve never seen the movies, but Elrond in the pictures I see on the internet is one of the few characters that absolutely agree with what I imagined them like in the 1990´s, while reading the books. The others are Gandalf, Saruman, Frodo, Galadriel, Aragorn and Boromir (except the hair colour, Aragorn and Boromir are supposed to have dark hair). Looking at pictures of Weaving as Elrond, I can accept that he´s lived thousands of years and has massive knowledge, is a healer as well as a warrior. And that´s quite an achievement for an actor.

  • @EmoBearRights

    @EmoBearRights

    Ай бұрын

    Plus he was also in Priscilla Queen of the Desert.

  • @rayc321

    @rayc321

    Ай бұрын

    V in V for Vendetta as well :)

  • @colindunnigan8621
    @colindunnigan8621Ай бұрын

    Poor Elrond, over 1000 years of fostering Isildur's heirs, and seeing them die, over and over...and that's just one loss the guy endured.

  • @dandiehm8414

    @dandiehm8414

    Ай бұрын

    The story of Elrond could be a whole movie! And it would be tragic! The ending would go like this - Elrond disembarks from Cirdan's ship on the shores of Aman (or Eressea) and his wife Celebrian greets him with a giant hug, love in her eyes. She then asks "Where is Arwen"? And Elrond will have to tell her that she will NEVER see her daughter again. Elrond got to say his final Goodbyes to Arwen, but Celebrian will never have that chance. When Celebrian and Arwen initially parted, Celebrian looked forward to the day when her whole family could be togetther again in Valinor (or Eressea). Now that will never come to pass. ~ Heartbreaking~

  • @johnkeck

    @johnkeck

    Ай бұрын

    But he gained a son (in-law). lol

  • @UPTAUT

    @UPTAUT

    Ай бұрын

    One does what can for family

  • @honourabledoctoredwinmoria3126

    @honourabledoctoredwinmoria3126

    Ай бұрын

    ​@@johnkeck Who he also doesn't get to see. Most of his life, they were separated and the relationship was somewhat strained, because Elrond wouldn't let Aragorn and Arwen marry until Sauron was defeated and Aragorn was king. So Aragorn was off questing in Gondor, searching for Gollum in the Dead Marshes, visiting Harad and Rhun to further the resistance. He's around for maybe days every few years, and Arwen does not appear to hang around much either. Then they go and get engaged behind Elrond's back, and we have no idea how he feels about it, whether he is annoyed or secretly happy for them. But just when his beloved daughter and adopted son do become the king and queen he knew they could be and gain some tranquility, he has to leave them behind forever.

  • @jawstrock2215

    @jawstrock2215

    Ай бұрын

    @@dandiehm8414 She could have a chance, if Mandos allows it.

  • @TheDarkElder
    @TheDarkElderАй бұрын

    How powerful was Elrond? Yes, very. One of the very good characters in Tolkien's world, where wisdom and power and merging into a solid guidance to anyone seeking good.

  • @SEAZNDragon

    @SEAZNDragon

    Ай бұрын

    Definitely the power of influence.

  • @tobiasstange8346
    @tobiasstange8346Ай бұрын

    Thank you very much for that insightful video. Elrond is one of my favorite characters, especially because he is a 'supportive' character, that accomplishes many tasks behind the scenes, indirectly or through guidance.

  • @samuelvine
    @samuelvineАй бұрын

    Huh, just thought of this: Galadriel had powers over water, which we of course in her Mirror, but there's another description of her abilities that is often overlooked... when the Aeothaid were riding to the aid of Gondor at one point SHE brought up a mist to hide the army of the future Rhoririm from Sauron's eyes at the nearby Dul Guldor. And Gandalf, had power over fire like you said, but of course also the fire of courage and hearts, he doesn't seem to have to do or say anything for his courage effect to work, it's passive though potent. With Elrond having power over air, what do we see him use the most? His WORDS. The expression of Air is speech. And Elrond's words are always powerful and influential. *One sidenote about the differences in "magic" use between Elrond and Galadriel is that Elrond may not have had as much experience in "active" "magic". Galadriel learned a lot from Melian the Maia on how things worked in the world, training that Elrond may not have had access to, which may be partly why his actions are less showy most of the time. Even the flood at the Bruinen (spelling?) was partly "showy" because of Gandalf's actions not Elrond's. Not saying Elrond couldn't have made the foamy horses in the river, only that he may not have been as skilled in doing at as Gandalf or Galadriel as his magic was focused in other directions. Ok, I'll stop babbling now :D - thanks for the video!!!!

  • @dandiehm8414

    @dandiehm8414

    Ай бұрын

    Galadriel also used her powers over water in the rivers surrounding Lorien. Nor Orc, (and not even Gollum), got into the Naith.

  • @bbgun061

    @bbgun061

    Ай бұрын

    I think a better term than magic is 'innate supernatural abilities.' As a Maiar, Gandalf was more powerful than Elrond and Galadriel, though their rings boosted them all.

  • @bbgun061

    @bbgun061

    Ай бұрын

    Also I want to add that I like your idea of power over the air being used for words to influence people. Many characters' supernatural abilities overlap with others. Saruman also used words to control people, but he used deceit, whereas Elrond used wisdom.

  • @adaslesniak

    @adaslesniak

    Ай бұрын

    It's not babbling. It was a nice read.

  • @samuelvine

    @samuelvine

    Ай бұрын

    @@adaslesniak

  • @QuantumHistorian
    @QuantumHistorianАй бұрын

    A weird thing (though very common in fiction) in LotR is that the rulers of each realm are also the most (or close to the most) powerful / skilled / talented people there. This almost never happens in real life. The king is very rarely also going to be the wisest at giving advice, or the strongest warrior, or the most learnt mage. Or, in a modern setting, it's like if the Prime Minister of a country was also its most genius scientist. You'd expect the ruler to be a manager, hopefully a talented one, but that they're main skill set is in leading and organising rather than their personal ability to resolve plot points.

  • @kirkvoelcker5272

    @kirkvoelcker5272

    Ай бұрын

    That's why it's fiction. Or am I too disingenuous to know that you are helping yourself to a double portion of irony?

  • @Commander_Ray

    @Commander_Ray

    Ай бұрын

    well for most of human history that is the case Kings were given the best educations and were trained from birth to rule while peasants and even most lower nobility would not come close to that, as for being the best warrior or Many other things like the wisest that is also seen the first tribes of many cultures were founded because of strong leaders who were the strongest and smartest. as society advanced rulers relied on advisors and champions. as much of the world has democracies the rulers tend to be popular and well spoken because that's how they get the votes to be elected even if they lack great combat skills in the 21st century

  • @General12th

    @General12th

    Ай бұрын

    On one hand, Elrond is an elf, so learning wisdom and other skills alongside being a leader for millennia on end would come naturally. On the other hand, everyone else in Rivendell is an elf too, so you'd think at least a few of them would master a craft beyond what Elrond has managed. And maybe they have, but it's not important to the story, so we don't hear about it.

  • @Grozhevski

    @Grozhevski

    Ай бұрын

    Yeah but also Gil-galad during his rule chose Elrond as an able assistant. So there may be some amount of meritocracy to this

  • @bigstretchdaddy

    @bigstretchdaddy

    Ай бұрын

    No.. now rulers or those in charge are very very good and something. Being absolutely corrupt and weak. Easily seduced by the world and sin. From greed and narcissistic egomaniacal insanity and power mad to rampant pedophilia, oh yes... Our so-called leaders are quite adept at things... Just nothing good.

  • @enoughothis
    @enoughothisАй бұрын

    I love the line Elrond speaks to the Nazgul in the third Hobbit movie "You should have stayed dead."

  • @gptsiteuser

    @gptsiteuser

    Ай бұрын

    Bizzare take

  • @thanos7412

    @thanos7412

    Ай бұрын

    Which was cringe as hell. This happens when you try to embed lines from cheesy 90s movies into high fantasy epic stories

  • @suran396

    @suran396

    Ай бұрын

    They also added a bone head 80's movie quote in the 1st Hobbit. Thankfully, I can't recall it precisely.

  • @12classics39

    @12classics39

    Ай бұрын

    I haven’t seen the Hobbit films - PLEASE don’t tell me he actually says this…..!!!!???? You’re joking, right???!!!!

  • @suran396

    @suran396

    Ай бұрын

    @@12classics39 i'm.going to be straight with you. The art.and landscapes are beautiful and there are some wonderful moments, but overall the 3 films are a disappointment. They wove in all kinds of nonsense to drag it out to 3 films and often forgot they weren't producing a comedy. It would have been far better as a stand alone film, or perhaps 2 fulms.and the 3rd one could be a background story.

  • @adriannalockhart9639
    @adriannalockhart9639Ай бұрын

    My favorite good LotR character. Hugo Weaving did a wonderful job playing him. Thanks so much for the video!

  • @matbroomfield
    @matbroomfieldАй бұрын

    That was a lovely closing paragraph. You do have such a lovely way of looking at the world.

  • @shaniaduchene8063
    @shaniaduchene8063Ай бұрын

    I have watched quite a few of your ASOIAF and Tolkien videos in the last few weeks. Every time you start a video with a question like this, I say “i don’t know, Robert, you tell me” and chuckle to myself. Every time. Never change!

  • @Limubi1
    @Limubi1Ай бұрын

    I think the interesting (potential) manifestation of Elrond's ring as the Ring of Air is his role as Loremaster. Often, the element of Air is associated with study, rational thought, analysis, and language. While we don't see Elrond's command of on element at any point in the same way that we do with the other two Elven Ring bearers, his fame as being a font of knowledge is great. I wonder if Vilya helps him with his ability to accrue and hold onto knowledge, and dispense it as wisdom when it is needed?

  • @tar-elenionmaranwe1275

    @tar-elenionmaranwe1275

    Ай бұрын

    "The chief power (of all the rings alike) was the prevention or slowing of decay (i.e. 'change' viewed as a regrettable thing), the preservation of what is desired or loved, or its semblance - this is more or less an Elvish motive. But also they enhanced the natural powers of a possessor - thus approaching 'magic', a motive easily corruptible into evil, a lust for domination." Letter 131 Oh, and Elrond commanded the Bruinen.

  • @jawstrock2215

    @jawstrock2215

    Ай бұрын

    @@tar-elenionmaranwe1275Him "commanding" the Bruinen is more that he had access and control of it's source, more then him just, ordering the river to do things. He just did the same thing the Ent did on Isenguard, block the water flow, accumulate it into a dam, then released it when required. It's why Frodo was able to cross the river on well horse. The water level had lowered quite a bit.

  • @tar-elenionmaranwe1275

    @tar-elenionmaranwe1275

    Ай бұрын

    @@jawstrock2215 Can you provide a quote from Tolkien where he describes that Elrond had a dam built on the river and used that to control the river? What is written in LotR is: "‘Who made the flood?’ asked Frodo. *‘Elrond commanded it,’* answered Gandalf. *‘The river of this valley is under his power,* and *it will rise in anger when he has great need* to bar the Ford. As soon as the captain of the Ringwraiths rode into the water *the flood was released."* Many Meetings Frodo is crossing at a ford.

  • @jawstrock2215

    @jawstrock2215

    Ай бұрын

    @@tar-elenionmaranwe1275 Well, I don't think it's written per say, more that it doesn't require it to be magic in the sense we know it as. Maybe it's just an interpretation, but it feels more like figure of speech here then anything. The only actual magic we see are done by Maiars(Mostly Gandalf) or Galadriel, who studied under one. Elf "magic" is more about deep understanding of the world, (reading minds, conversing with trees, expert craftsmans, songs that affect the mind, etc.)

  • @tar-elenionmaranwe1275

    @tar-elenionmaranwe1275

    Ай бұрын

    @@jawstrock2215 I see. So you are just adding what you want, over what Tolkien wrote.

  • @juankovacs6033
    @juankovacs6033Ай бұрын

    Is somewhat wholesome to think how Elrond fostered and cared about his grand grand grand grand grand nephews... Until he married his daughter to one of them 😂

  • @dandiehm8414

    @dandiehm8414

    Ай бұрын

    Well - Aragor was descended about 6000 years from Elros!

  • @General12th

    @General12th

    Ай бұрын

    ​@@dandiehm8414Which would be a millennia more distant than Egyptian Pharaoh Iry-hor and anybody alive today, for reference.

  • @typacsk

    @typacsk

    Ай бұрын

    Arwen: "You know who's looking fine tonight? Estel." Legolas: "Okay, you did not just say that." Arwen: "What? He's a good kisser." Legolas: "He's your cousin." Arwen: "Wait, what?! ...DAD!"

  • @martavdz4972

    @martavdz4972

    Ай бұрын

    Yeah, the famous composer Antonín Dvořák married the daughter of his teacher, and if I imagine that his teacher had been here since the times of Ancient Mesopotamia, his daughter since the Ancient Greece, and Dvořák had been his thousandth pupil or thereabouts... Now I think of it, I hugely respect Arwen for not thinking Aragorn was just an inexperienced baby.

  • @Veylon

    @Veylon

    Ай бұрын

    @@typacsk Elrond: "It's true. He's your first cousin, sixty-two times removed."

  • @Wolfeson28
    @Wolfeson28Ай бұрын

    I remember this being discussed in an earlier video, but think think the "power" we see in LotR in the sense of wisdom or lore comes from a very real sense of being "in tune" with the world. Considering that in-universe, the world was literally sung into existence as the Music of the Ainur, I think the musical analogy is very apt. Individuals who are in tune with that deeper music that underlies the world are more likely to sense the hidden patterns underlying events, have insight into how things may unfold in the future, and perhaps also recognize others who have that strong connection. Valar, maiar, and those with connections to them such as elves and Numenorian humans seem to have an innately stronger connection, but it takes intentional study to truly open one's mind to the music of the world. Elrond, very definitely, exemplifies all of these criteria.

  • @SSAXEL

    @SSAXEL

    Ай бұрын

    this is certainly true for Tom Bombadil. There's no one more powerful, and no one more in tune with the natural world

  • @user-mb1hg4qu9f
    @user-mb1hg4qu9fАй бұрын

    👍👍 Gandalf, Elrond and Aragon. Three pivotal characters, for sure.

  • @Agreus93
    @Agreus93Ай бұрын

    I Love Lord Elrond even if he didn't seek or want any tittles. The book Elrond was so different from movies Elrond, book Elrond was "kind as summer" even if he had such a painful life: They parents became sky entities when he was a child, was a hostage in his childhood, he not only had separated ways (until the end of times!) of his beloved twin brother but to his treasured daughter as well and on top of that, he lost her wife for a very long time and her damage was even impossible for him to cure. I rejoice myself thinking when he cross the sea and reunited with his wife in the undying lands. Thanks IDG!

  • @dandiehm8414

    @dandiehm8414

    Ай бұрын

    True! - but I can't help but to imagine one powerfully poignent scene. Elrond disembarks from Cirdan's ship on the shores of Aman (or Eressea) and his wife Celebrian greets him with a giant hug, love in her eyes. She then asks "Where is Arwen"? And Elrond will have to tell her that she will NEVER see her daughter again. Elrond got to say his final Goodbyes to Arwen, but Celebrian will never have that chance. When Celebrian and Arwen initially parted, Celebrian looked forward to the day when her whole family could be togetther again in Valinor (or Eressea). Now that will never come to pass. ~ Heartbreaking~

  • @LKMNOP

    @LKMNOP

    Ай бұрын

    I always thought that he was so low key has to be boring in the movie. Got no feeling of fire or strength from him. And elrond had to have a lot of strength to survive all this time and to keep rivendale a safe haven.

  • @pamelah6431
    @pamelah6431Ай бұрын

    In ROTK at Aragorn's coronation, when the banner is moved aside and Arwen emerges, Hugo's "my baby is all growed up" expression sparks the water works for me every time.

  • @LKMNOP

    @LKMNOP

    Ай бұрын

    His baby was a grown woman for god sakes. He always treated her as an adult. That was a disgusting 1950s type of line. "My baby", indeed...

  • @pamelah6431

    @pamelah6431

    Ай бұрын

    @@LKMNOP what exactly is your problem? 🙄

  • @vortexgen1
    @vortexgen1Ай бұрын

    Those that do not seek power, are those that wield it best

  • @haydwilljones
    @haydwilljonesАй бұрын

    @ InDeepGeek thanks for your videos of tolkien's work i enjoy them and learn a bit to, please keep up with them as they are very enjoyable and informative, again you have my thanks.

  • @CleverGirlAAH
    @CleverGirlAAHАй бұрын

    I really like seeing the maps and distributions!! It helps illustrate things so much more clearly! Keep going in that direction, man, it really works!

  • @alinaanto
    @alinaantoАй бұрын

    I love the more subtle approach to power displayed throughout all of Tolkien work I love how deep and thoughtfully written a character Elrond is! I really like how you gave credit to the artists at the end of the video! Great video, thank you for posting!

  • @DebbaTV
    @DebbaTVАй бұрын

    Well done, thanks! I always found it puzzling why Elrond wasn't a King, especially after the demise of Gilgalad. He was the grandson of a King. But maybe that was a role too specific, and he wanted to keep things more general. As the Lord Elrond, he could be all things to all Elves, and even other peoples. Also a bit strange that Frodo never called him out on his ring of power, or Gandalf's for that matter. He could perceive Galadriel's. But maybe she allowed that for her own purpose. I just can't imagine how sad it was for him to walk down the ages without his twin, who chose mortality. Can't blame him for being so aggrieved by Arwen's choice. I think he and Galadriel were the greatest Elves in the history of Middle Earth. They stayed there, engaged the whole long while, fighting the good fight. Never wavering. A true heir of Beren and Luthien.

  • @claytonhaag6931
    @claytonhaag6931Ай бұрын

    Great video Robert! I absolutely love the lore of Elrond. He is a key player in many many ways

  • @chrisfxi1216
    @chrisfxi1216Ай бұрын

    Thank you so much for all your videos man. They really are a pleasure to listen to

  • @jamesgrieve8435
    @jamesgrieve8435Ай бұрын

    This was awesome, thank you for such a great video

  • @MrGrimmNZ
    @MrGrimmNZ3 сағат бұрын

    Elrond is a GOAT. Id say he probably sat things out in the end to oversee that as many elves left middle earth as possible. Making sure the roads were as safe as possible, making sure there was a homely house for them to stay before continuing further. He was being a leader, and one of the last to leave. Great man

  • @omarbinno4390
    @omarbinno4390Ай бұрын

    Awesome way to end it. Keep up the great work!

  • @theun4giv3n
    @theun4giv3nАй бұрын

    Another great video. Thanks. Worth mentioning too that he was an excellent warrior given all the battles he survived.

  • @dave70a
    @dave70aАй бұрын

    I love all videos from In Deep Geek!

  • @Jett125
    @Jett125Ай бұрын

    What a great video. Ive always liked elrond but he may be one of my favourites now

  • @fightronin3753
    @fightronin3753Ай бұрын

    Awesome video!!!! Keep up the great work!!!!

  • @user-sd7ri9fy4i
    @user-sd7ri9fy4iАй бұрын

    Nice work dude thanks

  • @shokmusic_AC
    @shokmusic_ACАй бұрын

    Excellent video! Elrond could have truly laid claim to the title of High King but chose not to. This says much about his character.

  • @7ItalianStallion
    @7ItalianStallionАй бұрын

    Another excellent narration. Great upload your view on lotr are great!

  • @langlest
    @langlestАй бұрын

    The casting for Elrond was perfect in LOTR but absolutely terrible in Rings of Power

  • @CurtHowland
    @CurtHowlandАй бұрын

    Well done. Thank you.

  • @GGable
    @GGableАй бұрын

    Well done!

  • @sakemp3480
    @sakemp3480Ай бұрын

    Considering his pop is in the air with a simaril, the air ring makes sense

  • @Scientist_Salarian
    @Scientist_SalarianАй бұрын

    Robert could write and narrate the drying of paint and I’d listen in fascination. The sublime nuance of his performance is masterful.

  • @jacktribble5253
    @jacktribble5253Ай бұрын

    Quite well done and well said. I would call that power, shaping a world.

  • @TheMASTERCONE1
    @TheMASTERCONE1Ай бұрын

    Another great video 👏🏻

  • @katherine.benson4489
    @katherine.benson4489Ай бұрын

    I love this stuff. Thanks.

  • @scottdevlin1491
    @scottdevlin1491Ай бұрын

    Great video. Thanks to you.

  • @kotadawndragon
    @kotadawndragonАй бұрын

    Elrond is my favorite elven character in Tolkien's works. He's just awesome. I do wonder if one of Vilya's powers is clairvoyance. In lots of other fantasy works, the power of air tends toward information gathering, i.e., the wind telling the user things and other such.

  • @lepeixe22

    @lepeixe22

    Ай бұрын

    Well it sure explains telepathy, as if the wind is carrying his words across middle-earth

  • @omgblastbeatslol
    @omgblastbeatslolАй бұрын

    Wow man, I conflated this video's title with the one next to it in my recs and actually thought for a second that IDG made a video called "How powerful is Gary Busey?" Could you please make that video anyway?

  • @dbf1dware
    @dbf1dware3 күн бұрын

    Thank you so much for highlighting Elrond. My favorite LOTR characters have always been: Aragorn, Elrond, then his sons Elladan and Elrohir. Geek alert: you have no idea how many Rangers I've run in my DnD life.

  • @LordRunolfrUlfsson
    @LordRunolfrUlfssonАй бұрын

    (5:27) It's what we would call "soft power" today. You don't easily see it, but it's influence is potent. (6:05) Arguably the greatest power of the Great Rings is the power to preserve things. Rivendell and Lorien stand strong against the power of Sauron (without the One Ring) because they resist change. With the One Ring, the power of the other Great Rings would belong to Sauron, and anything made with their power would belong to him. With the One Ring destroyed, the power that kept them safe and unchanging ceased to be.

  • @Mathemagical55
    @Mathemagical55Ай бұрын

    The flooding of the Ford of Bruinen is powered by Vilya in the same way Galadriel uses Nenya to protect Lothlorien. Since the location of the Three could not be discussed, Gandalf had to fudge slightly and say that Elrond commanded it.

  • @shawn6669
    @shawn66696 сағат бұрын

    The thing I always think of, which I'm pretty sure most people don't because he never claimed the title, but whether he claims it or not, he IS the last High King of the Noldor by right of birth and by being the heir of Gil-Galad.

  • @flawedperspective
    @flawedperspectiveАй бұрын

    It is interesting to compare and contrast the Tolkien's concept of Power comparing Elrond vs. Sauron but also what we today view as power (a.k.a. money and control over others).

  • @martavdz4972
    @martavdz4972Ай бұрын

    Greetings from Czechia, you have a new fan! The first upload I get to witness is about my favourite character! ❤ I´ve always had a crush on Elrond, even as a teenager in the 1990´s. It fascinated me how his role is hard to define, but we have no problem accepting it, as if it was deep inside us, like an archetype. And yet, I know no archetype like that. He´s full of paradoxes. Removed far away, yet in the centre of things. Calm and wise, yet a fierce warrior. Living at a fixed place and very much connected to it, yet his hand is in half of all the things that happen. A crucial advisor to politicians with millennia of learning, yet running a house of simple hospitality. He´s like... as if twenty good men put together had thousands of years to grow in wisdom and humility and various fields of study. His character showcases what it means when elves live in Arda for a very long time and use that time for the very best purposes. Thank you for laying out his complexity and greatness! 👍

  • @meganofsherwood3665

    @meganofsherwood3665

    Ай бұрын

    Beautifully said!!

  • @martavdz4972

    @martavdz4972

    Ай бұрын

    @@meganofsherwood3665 Thank you! 🙂

  • @Onager28
    @Onager287 күн бұрын

    Mr Baggins, welcome back. We missed you.

  • @awesomehpt8938
    @awesomehpt8938Ай бұрын

    Very. But not enough apparently to get Isildur to drop the ring into mount doom.

  • @KorriTimigan

    @KorriTimigan

    Ай бұрын

    In fairness, NOBODY was powerful enough to do that

  • @Jaxx2385

    @Jaxx2385

    Ай бұрын

    Does anyone know how the good guys even knew that was how to destroy it? Did Sauron brag about that being the only way how would anyone know that? Did if have to be destroyed there or could u just find any volcano ? I need answers

  • @TheMarcHicks

    @TheMarcHicks

    Ай бұрын

    Even Elrond himself would have failed to throw the Ring into Mount Doom if he'd been the one to pick it up. Heck; even Sauron couldn't have thrown the Ring into Mount Doom, even if he'd wanted to.

  • @Nala15-Artist

    @Nala15-Artist

    Ай бұрын

    @@Jaxx2385 Logic. What makes a thing must be able to unmake it.

  • @ThommyofThenn

    @ThommyofThenn

    Ай бұрын

    Isildur kinda stonewalled him with that "No." How the heck do you carry on a discussion like that?!

  • @christopherfernandez8153
    @christopherfernandez8153Ай бұрын

    Actually, it was the Church of Scientology created by Elrond Hubbard that defeated Sauron. 😂

  • @denofboxers1996

    @denofboxers1996

    23 күн бұрын

    😂😂😂😂😂😂

  • @DanBeech-ht7sw

    @DanBeech-ht7sw

    10 күн бұрын

    Very good! 👍

  • @RoadtoNowhere73

    @RoadtoNowhere73

    Күн бұрын

    Not bad

  • @babsbybend
    @babsbybendАй бұрын

    I read "The Hobbit" back in the 1960's, read TLoTR, Silmarillion, some of the Lost Tales, and still cannot wrap my mind around Elrond having a red silk handkerchief to loan to Bilbo. And did Bilbo return it? Or was he always mooching off him?

  • @meganofsherwood3665

    @meganofsherwood3665

    Ай бұрын

    ... I completely forgot about that, ans now I'm curious 😂

  • @katiedid1851
    @katiedid1851Ай бұрын

    Picking up Silmarillion next. Elrod is one of my favorite characters in the books. He is so understated- and yet effective.

  • @dandiehm8414

    @dandiehm8414

    Ай бұрын

    The Silmarillion is WONDERFUL. Not an easy read at first but such a treasure trove of lore and motivations. It was truly the Professor's life's work.

  • @arkdeniz
    @arkdenizАй бұрын

    Hugo Weaving threaded all through this video and not a single sighting of Robert Aramayo’s portrayal. IDG Robert is trying to say something, I think.

  • @martavdz4972

    @martavdz4972

    Ай бұрын

    I was curious, so I looked at Robert Aramayo´s pictures as Elrond and nearly threw up. That isn´t Elrond, not by a long shot.

  • @violator7964
    @violator7964Ай бұрын

    Elrond to Sauron: “You might think that I have something personal against you. You’re right.”

  • @steveaverett
    @steveaverettАй бұрын

    Thanks!

  • @rbhgamer8503
    @rbhgamer8503Ай бұрын

    While discussing power, I would like to see a video on the power of the Vala, particularly in the story of Morgoth's curse upon poor Turin Turinbar (reminds me of greek tragedy mixed with the trials of Job).

  • @dimestorephilosopher3308
    @dimestorephilosopher330825 күн бұрын

    His father was the greatest hero who went and talked to "the gods" to bring them to stop Morgoth. A legacy to live up to.

  • @jackwebb5717
    @jackwebb5717Ай бұрын

    @InDeepGeek - Could you do a video on whether the elves (& men & dwarves) wars against Morgoth during the First Age would have played out differently had Fëanor not died so quickly?

  • @Lee_H9
    @Lee_H9Ай бұрын

    Regarding Elrond's power over air and influencing others - in it's most base definition, Speech is expressing thoughts and feelings over the medium of air.

  • @aaronbrooks9371
    @aaronbrooks9371Ай бұрын

    Awesome video! I'd like to know if Tolkien used numerology in The Fellowship of the Ring, specifically in ch1 with Bilbo turning 111 and Frodo turning 33, both are significant numbers in many different belief systems. Thoughts anyone?

  • @myla9308
    @myla930817 күн бұрын

    Elrond is at the top of my list of favorite elves in Tolkien’s writing. As much as I love Hugo, I much preferred the portrayal by Robert Aramayo, who came off far closer to the book version for me, which I prefer. It was one of the few things about the Prime show I thought they actually did well.

  • @dlsamson
    @dlsamsonАй бұрын

    Wisdom is understanding the limits of knowledge & power

  • @SamanthaVimes177
    @SamanthaVimes177Ай бұрын

    Yo I wish your channel did Discworld. I'm dying for my actual favorite fantasy series to have this kind of love and attention paid to it.

  • @logangodofcandy
    @logangodofcandyАй бұрын

    We talk of the brothers elrond and elross that chose to be either human or elf. We seldom hear of the third brother, Elroy, who chose to be a bootlegger and play legendary melodies in banjo, as his glorious mullet flows in the breeze.

  • @etienneporras7252
    @etienneporras7252Ай бұрын

    While Tolkien himself claimed that his legendarium was an attempt to "learn the story of Earendil", I find it very telling that the only character to be directly present in all three published novels (Silmarillion, Hobbit, LotR), is Elrond.

  • @etienneporras7252

    @etienneporras7252

    Ай бұрын

    In a way, Elrond is the Aslan of Middle-Earth.

  • @dandiehm8414

    @dandiehm8414

    Ай бұрын

    And Sauron - he just didn't have any lines in The Hobbit.

  • @etienneporras7252

    @etienneporras7252

    Ай бұрын

    @@dandiehm8414 I don't actually think Sauron makes a physical appearance in the Hobbit though. He's mentioned, and everyone knows to avoid him, but he himself does not enter the narrative.

  • @dandiehm8414

    @dandiehm8414

    Ай бұрын

    @@etienneporras7252 True - but he hardly makes a PHYSICAL appearance in LOTR.

  • @etienneporras7252

    @etienneporras7252

    Ай бұрын

    ​@@dandiehm8414 Which is kinda my point. Elrond DOES have a "physical" presense as a narrative character in all three published works. (However briefly in the Silmarillion).

  • @rkgaustin9043
    @rkgaustin9043Ай бұрын

    Ioreth: The hands of the king are the hands of a healer, and so shall the rightful king be known. Gandalf: I wish Elrond was here instead. Aragorn: Dude, WTF I'm like right here.

  • @kdubs83

    @kdubs83

    Ай бұрын

    I love that line in the books. ❤ The first one obviously. 🤣

  • @manso306
    @manso306Ай бұрын

    Ok but the real question is How powerful is Hugo Weaving?

  • @daemonsilver3304
    @daemonsilver3304Ай бұрын

    Through humility does the great strength of Iru Iluvatar flow like torrential tides. And so, in this fashion, did Elrond the Wise wield power.

  • @savageboosterstudios
    @savageboosterstudiosАй бұрын

    The few frames of Elrond's sons in War in the North🔥

  • @LKMNOP
    @LKMNOPАй бұрын

    That is a good point that it was elrond, not the council, that said Merry and Pippin should go with Frodo. It was his decision alone.

  • @JieTie
    @JieTieАй бұрын

    I'm very gratefull you didn't use a single frame from the rings of power.

  • @richardmather1906
    @richardmather1906Ай бұрын

    Couple other points. Elrond, we are told, is "mighty among Elves and Men. " Nobody else is both, but Elrond is both. Also, notice that Glorfindel comes back to Middle Earth and goes and resides with Elrond. Elrond is where the action is. Particularly (despite Galadriel's ancestry) for a Noldo.

  • @ebonspike
    @ebonspikeАй бұрын

    Elrond also handled the Ring while Frodo was recovering from the stab wound. He is the only one of the Elven ringbearers that we do not see his temptation by the One Ring if that temptation actually occurred.

  • @deeayenn
    @deeayennАй бұрын

    The more I study Middle Earth the less I seem to understand it. Thank you for constantly providing me (us) with the information from across the ages & helping me form a clear picture of events, time lines & people.

  • @dandiehm8414

    @dandiehm8414

    Ай бұрын

    That's odd - the more I study it the more I understand it. But I agree that all fo these videos are excellent sources and are done so well.

  • @stephenbenner4353
    @stephenbenner4353Ай бұрын

    Before The Lord of The Rings was published, C S Lewis Mentioned Imladris and Numinor in That Hideous Strength, the third book in his space trilogy. There’s a note at the end of the book to the effect that if you want to know more about Numinor, keep an eye out for a future release by his friend J R R Tolkein

  • @heaslyben
    @heaslybenАй бұрын

    Vilya and the "air power" make me think of Manwë, who is also associated with air and winds -- and Eagles and Gandalf / Olórin. I think there's a rhyming among all these of wisdom, foresight, authority, and strength wielded indirectly.

  • @gerardoangel6
    @gerardoangel6Ай бұрын

    Elrond was great in Rings of Power, I loved his friendship with Durin

  • @joshuawells5953
    @joshuawells5953Ай бұрын

    A little off topic but if you're a fan of Hugo Weaving (Elrond) i recently watched a movie called "The Interview" with him starring. Pretty friggin good.

  • @BeyerEfendi
    @BeyerEfendiАй бұрын

    They absolutely nailed his casting, though. Hugo Weaving was the perfect Elf-human combo, authoritative and almost gruff at times but graceful and elegant all the same.

  • @fuwymechtopia8982
    @fuwymechtopia8982Ай бұрын

    Anything can happen in war. Powerful people aren't omnipotent and omnipresent, so they must prioritize and strategize. Elrond is a remarkable character and I wish he got more screen time!

  • @LibertarianLeninistRants
    @LibertarianLeninistRantsАй бұрын

    Wait what? Elrond is Aragorn's great-great-great-...-great-uncle? I never looked that deep into LotR lore to notice that

  • @tar-elenionmaranwe1275

    @tar-elenionmaranwe1275

    Ай бұрын

    Yep, something like 65 greats in there.

  • @LibertarianLeninistRants

    @LibertarianLeninistRants

    Ай бұрын

    @@tar-elenionmaranwe1275 still family, especially if you are basically immortal like Elrond and remember everyone

  • @TheMarcHicks

    @TheMarcHicks

    Ай бұрын

    Yep, both descended from Earendil the Mariner.

  • @dandiehm8414
    @dandiehm8414Ай бұрын

    Nice video as always Robert. But at 7:56, you read the sentence "I think that this task is appointed for you Frodo, and that if you do not find a way, no one will" with the emphasis on the word "You" (many others do this as well). I have always read that line with the key word being APPOINTED (not "you"). Elrond is saying, if he has heard aright everything that was presented, that Frodo was CHOSEN to be the Ring Bearer, and not by Elrond, Gandalf, or even Frodo himself. It goes back to Elrond's comment earlier in the Council (paraphrasing here) "Strangers from strange lands being called to the council. Called I say, but I did not summon you". The hand of Iluvatar was clearly present here, and it was He who chose Frodo.

  • @davidmcilroy1578
    @davidmcilroy1578Ай бұрын

    Checkout Lords of Middle Earth Vol 1 by Iron Crown Enterprises. He is in there along with Valar, Maia and elven lords. Gives stats for MERP/RM - items, powers etc..

  • @aaronburdon221
    @aaronburdon221Ай бұрын

    Yea, Elrond and his elves were figuratively the bulwark that kept Sauron from overrunning the western portions of the map and flanking Gondor.

  • @woody5476
    @woody5476Ай бұрын

    One thing I hated about the Hobbit movies is that they made the dwarves have to escape from the clutches of Elrond when they were in Rivendell, and Elrond was angry and standing in the way of their quest. In the book, Elrond helped them and gave them aid and provisions, and his blessing.

  • @bielribeiro6622
    @bielribeiro6622Ай бұрын

    A true hero and friend to all free folk.

  • @howardroark7726
    @howardroark7726Ай бұрын

    Elrond's role in the 3rd Age reminds me a bit of the wisdom and intellect of Turing as well as the moral leadership of Churchill.

  • @taidee
    @taideeАй бұрын

    Elrond being a magnificent being who is part of all, cares about them all, has duty of care and he carries it with honor.

  • @owenpigeontop5683
    @owenpigeontop5683Ай бұрын

    I've said he should've played roose bolton in game of thrones because of book description

  • @aaronburdon221

    @aaronburdon221

    Ай бұрын

    That actually would've been pretty good casting, because he does kinda look like he's described with the exception of balding.

  • @TechBearSeattle
    @TechBearSeattleАй бұрын

    Vilya, the Ring of Air, controlled time itself. That is what preserved Rivendell through millennia, and that is why Elrond was considered wise: he could see the general shape of the future, or at least patterns in the past and present that, with careful study, let him infer what was to come. That may also be where his healing talent came from, as he could review past treatments and maybe even experiment with the probabilities of various courses to see what one had the best chance of success.

  • @btswt101
    @btswt101Ай бұрын

    “Why Mr. Frodo? Why? Why do you persist?” is my favorite quote from the trilogy.

  • @midnightbluevt
    @midnightbluevtАй бұрын

    Elrond is basically what you end up with when you force-feed a "good guy" with stuff like Clausewitz, Machiavelli, Musashi, etc. Oh, and also make him a magic-wielding elf, because high fantasy lol.

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