How Pieter Levels Makes $2.7M/Year With 0 Employees
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Shaan Puri (@ShaanVP - / shaanvp ) and Sam Parr (@TheSamParr - / thesamparr ) talk to Pieter Levels (@levelsio - / levelsio ) about being a solopreneur who makes nearly $3M a year with no employees while living a nomadic lifestyle.
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Show Notes:
(00:00) - Intro
(01:32) - How Sam gets in touch with people
(04:50) - How much Pieter makes
(12:20) - How to become a hit solopreneur
(17:55) - What Pieter uses to build
(21:23) - Building to earn vs. building to sell
(24:09) - How movements grow
(28:20) - Thinking big as a solopreneur/Indie Hacker
(31:55) - Businesses that could earn you $20k a month
(40:45) - How Pieter spends and invests his money
(46:40) - Why Pieter believes in Asia
(50:34) - What Pieter spends money on
(59:30) - Who Peter admires
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I'm seriously flabbergasted by the constant interruptions while the guest was in the midst of sharing insightful thoughts. The interviewers' tendency to interject and divert the conversation was not only frustrating but truly did a disservice to the guest, who clearly had so much more to offer. Interrupting is often considered one of the top rookie mistakes in podcast interviewing. Just some feedback I'd like to share; still wish you guys the best.
@caravanlifenz
5 ай бұрын
Same. The two hosts talk about themselves too much. I've already watched so many videos about them, so I wanted to hear about Pieter.
@andyp30
4 ай бұрын
Idiot tech bros
@Afrolatina_adventurer
3 ай бұрын
THIS!!!
@ST5S5
3 ай бұрын
Yeah I couldn’t believe how they’d ask a question and immediately interrupt before the guest could even start speaking
Pieter Levels is like from another planet for these guys. - Interviewer: ...Money.... Revenue... Growth. - Pieter: Truth... lifestyle... friends... family.
@tstcikhthys
Жыл бұрын
He's on another level, if you will.
@_FGTS
Жыл бұрын
Well... this podcast is all about money, revenue and growth. Did you even notice the name of the podcast is My First Million?
@rantg
Жыл бұрын
you just not smart enough to understand, he doesnt try to be "honest", he wants to brag about his salary, and he use "honestly" as the reason to brag, otherwise it would look bad. He is addicted to attention, otherwise he wouldn't brag all day about his salary and servers expenses. Basically this is a guy who build really nothing+nothing, running after current fashions, and never get really deep into anything. Yea he makes money because he did one digital nomad project that brought him so much hype in which he uses to get more people to other useless projects, but as you know this effect will not keep forever.
@LorettaBangBang
Жыл бұрын
yeah, revolutionary
@justellythelegend
Жыл бұрын
@@rantg imagine not having anything to brag about
Great interview. Just didn't like it when Pieter was cut short while he was fleshing out his thoughts.
@Rubenjr005
Жыл бұрын
I feel same way
@ampman.travels
Жыл бұрын
Yea he has a lot of stories
@nshar786
Жыл бұрын
Same. Made it worse.
@coding_den
Жыл бұрын
Same. The interviewers seem nice, but I legitimately could not finish watching this
@mubarokibnu
Жыл бұрын
can’t agree more
Love Pieter but the interviewers interrupted him so many times. So annoying.
@iclick4122
Жыл бұрын
The interviewers need to spend a year in nature
@WadianDictator
Жыл бұрын
Thats what we do here.
@pradeepverma3222
Жыл бұрын
worst interviewers ever seen
@corydaughtery
Жыл бұрын
You have to remember that there are possible delays in the video feeds that cause people to start talking at awkward moments. It happens..
Stop interrupting the guest. The channel would improve by letting the guest speak more.
@cwaddle
10 ай бұрын
Shaan speaks too much with little substance
@HebrewWithOren
10 ай бұрын
@@cwaddlekm😢 LLL like on kol I think it's a great idea I was
@HebrewWithOren
10 ай бұрын
Leh
@esotericminds1
10 ай бұрын
Most of these guys don’t know how to interview
@brankelly1921
10 ай бұрын
I completely agree. Though I love these guys, let the interviewer connect his sentences .
Success is not built on success. It's built on failure, It's built on fraustration. it's built on fear that you have to overcome. I pray that anyone who reads this will be successful in life
@JamesBrewer-ty3kp
6 ай бұрын
You are right.!
@JamesBrewer-ty3kp
6 ай бұрын
That is why I had to start forex trading 2months ago and l now am making benefits from it.!
@luckywealth8639
6 ай бұрын
My first investment with Victoria Alejandro gave me profit of over $80,000 Us dollar....
@luckywealth8639
6 ай бұрын
And I can even say she is the sincere broker I know....
@PatriciaSanchez-nt1zh
6 ай бұрын
@@luckywealth8639O' Yes I'm a living testimony of Mrs Victoria Alejandro.!
Been following Pieter for years! Happy you were able to get him on the pod. As a software developer - he is 100% correct with people not understanding the complexities behind websites. Great episode!
Let this guy talk. Yes you got high and had some analysis that you tried to tie in with matrix and it made sense…for you when you were high. Just saying, let him talk and help flesh out into interesting topics as subtle as possible. Best interviewers are background noise. Be background noise. More is less. Keep up hard work.
@timelesssuccess
Жыл бұрын
Haha that's a great take, "it made sense while you were high"
@jordanhanson316
Жыл бұрын
Who cares
He never spoke on how he markets and brings users to his work. So many people build things that go nowhere. That would’ve been great to hear more about.
@timelesssuccess
Жыл бұрын
So true! doesn't matter what you build, if you can't market it, you're going nowhere
@Danuxsy
11 ай бұрын
that's because only a tiny fraction of the people making things can ever be successful, that's statistics and common sense, only a few can be rich in a Capitalistic system.
I don’t want to be a billion dollar company. I just want to make a couple million chill, you know… F…ing golden. Love this guy.
@miyahtallulah
Жыл бұрын
Billion dollar company = Billion dollar obsession. Freedom is the main thing (and business class) when u feel like it.
The presenters are really quite annoying with their constant interrupting! Pieter sounds like he has some really interesting and inspiring stuff to say but you barely let him finish his sentences before you interrupt him to talk about your own off-topic tangent. Be less self-centered and focus more on letting your guest spread their thoughts.
@TheBondy2010
Жыл бұрын
literally
@woodsey
Жыл бұрын
Yep! They are so annoying. Pieter is fascinating though.
@1millionbefore40
Жыл бұрын
100% I like that they get done great guests but they need to be more like Joe Rogan and be quiet. Let the guests share. We’re interested in the guests not the interviewer
The interviewers interrupted way too much, or just tried to belittle Pieter, instead of allowing the audience to learn more about how his games work. It’s a waste of having such an amazing guest with such questions/interview structure
@sambarryofficial
Жыл бұрын
100% agree. They don't let the guy answer the questions. They ask the question, he answers a little and then they interrupt and end up answering their own questions. It was hyper annoying to listen to.
@joeappleton3479
Жыл бұрын
Agree, they make it about themselves, and how successful they have been. They need to let the super interesting guest talk.
@groob33
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, unfortunately these guys never learn and must never read the comment section. They do it all the time, every time.
@lukasemmerich1605
Жыл бұрын
This! Just wanted to comment the same thing...it's so frustrating to listen to Pieter outline something interesting from his process, only for the interviewers to interrupt him with yet another question that he won't be able to answer in full. Please let this podcast guest speak!!
@muhammadshafiqsafian6149
Жыл бұрын
@@groob33 Ego problem.
This was my favorite episode by far. Pieter Levels is inspirational in so many different ways - makes me want to step up my game!!
seriously a great episode. so glad you guys got him on the podcast
Gentlemen… I have to echo what a lot of people here are mentioning regarding the interruptions. Mainly because we didn’t get to hear him wrap up some of his insights and that’s what we are here for, to get his perspective! This may seem nit-picky, hopefully you take it as constructions but I also found it very weird that one of the hosts jumped off abruptly and because of a phone call. Emergencies may pop up but it didn’t seem like it was one. Just felt awkward and like the guests time wasn’t carefully planned around. I mean all of this in the best way by the way. That aside, glad the video was suggested. Officially going to be following up on the guest and his work.
@KevDecorMusic
Жыл бұрын
Constructive*
Programmer Stack = ReactJS, Go, Site runs great - Site makes no money Marketer Tech Stack = PHP, JQuery, maybe some Wordpress - Site makes 1.2M a year Decide who you want to be. Master programmer = go get a job Entrepreneur = go get it done I'm still trying hard to learn this lesson 🤣
Success doesn't happen overnight. It's a marathon, not a sprint. You have to pace yourself, put in the work, and be consistent day in and day out if you want to achieve your goals.
@danielmedina4953
10 ай бұрын
You are right, to be a successful person in life require him or her of hard work and time
@leonnoble8164
10 ай бұрын
The thing about been successful is working toward it and not going the other way round
@claresmithy4667
10 ай бұрын
Invest in one of these! Real estate Crypt0currency Stock Gold
@henrynoble7011
10 ай бұрын
When you invest you are buying a day you don't have to work
@annebella8851
10 ай бұрын
Talking about been successful. I know I am blessed if not I wouldn't have met someone is as spectacular as Anna S Wilson
Pieter Levels is a great inspiration! Thanks for the podcast!!
My first listen to this pod an amazing inspiration. Excellent pod format, excellent content. Thanks to the three of you.
I love Piet. One of my biggest inspirations. Don't underestimate how hard this guy works.
@DAL201107
Жыл бұрын
Do you know how hard this guy works at grifting?
@falkar
Жыл бұрын
@@DAL201107 what do you mean
@joeappleton3479
Жыл бұрын
@@DAL201107 In what way? Seems quiite transparent in what he does
@PLoGro24
Жыл бұрын
From what he said, he barely works. He said his money makers are automated and he doesn't have to do much...
@falkar
Жыл бұрын
@@PLoGro24 imho barely working can mean a lot of things
This is the best interview for the season of life I find myself in; I have always had ideas having worked in Financial services that I have brought in house that should be brought into the consumer market..but self doubt and no one to share the approach with has caused me to walk away; but this interview woke me up.
Following him for the last 8 years! Missing his website / blog with all the projects on it! He would write down and blog about his whole journey of building websites and monetizing it. 12 startups in 12 months! So awesome.
Suggestion: It would be nice to stream this layout with the main speaker in one large panel and Sam/Shaan in 2 smaller windows or something similar. It feels a bit awkward to have one person (active speaker) full screen and pretty zoomed in all the time for an interview style podcast and quick switching in between them.
@robertmariano
Жыл бұрын
I totally agree. Also, it would be nice if you would have a screenshot of some of Pieter Level's and other guests' content. I primarily listen to this as an audio podcast
@archuthanviji1962
Жыл бұрын
yea agreed
@timelesssuccess
Жыл бұрын
interesting suggestion!
@GonzoEnt
Жыл бұрын
The format works as is for me. You probably would like a format like Tom Bilyeu's interview style when they are in-person both speakers can be seen in a single shot with less zoomed in and individual shots.
Never heard of any one on the show, this popped into my suggested videos and I loved listening. I loved learning about Pieter and his story. Its very inspiring and I will definitely check out his projects. Feedback for the podcast hosts: Its very important to give the interviewee time to speak. I know you guys love to talk and are very excited and want to chime in with comments or anecdotal stories, but that time is for the interviewee. It was really annoying to hear you cut-off the other person almost every 3 minutes that they were speaking just so you can add something to what they were saying. That kind of ruins the experience of listening for me. Allow them to finish their train of thought, then you can share something.
@maplemath1671
Жыл бұрын
I agree. I wanted to hear more of this interviewees thoughts. I appreciate hosting the podcast but right before some important points, y'all interrupted.
@adamspeaking373
Жыл бұрын
This show popped up in my feed, too. I watched it, and got ZERO value from it. I kept watching just hoping to get something interesting from it.
@sithijadesilva5344
10 ай бұрын
Same, I wanna hear From Pieter, but too much noise from the hosts.
I love this podcast, such an incredible place to learn how entrepreneurs are growing their businesses
First-time viewer, immediate subscriber. Thanks for the great content.
That’s a 100% match, looking forward to watching this episode. Cheers
For me the ideal number of employees is zero. I use freelancers/contractors but never hire anyone on perm and done well but I'd love to grow further without needing to hire
@realgouravverma
Жыл бұрын
What work you do?
1:09:00 yes you can automate higher ticket selling. Sam does Airbnb, he can create online sales funnels that target people on social media and get them to buy over time.
Pieter Levels is the kind of friends I want to have around, just an honest truthful person.
(9:57) Contractors Peter Using for his Business (17:55) - What Pieter uses to build (40:45) - How Pieter spends and invests his money 1:08:00 One can steal your ideas but not your execution
I can totally relate to Pieter Levels and lived like he did, but a wife and child did change the lifestyle. Loved this interview!
I agree about the Chinese Economy. Thanks for another informative video. Btw, I love how you’re filming while your House Keeper is cleaning in the background. You guys are the real deal.
The interviewers were doing too much of the talking for my liking, especially near the beginning, and were interrupting too much.
You work for 40yrs to have $1M in your retirement, meanwhile some people are putting just $10K in a meme coin from just few months ago and now they are multimillionaires......
Great interview! Peter is a badass. I've missed some more detail on how he gets work done.. What his planning strategy is, when he knows what to tackle next, any daily software he uses to stay organized with all these projects he runs.. etc.. Maybe next time? :)
php, js, jquery lol. If something is working, why change it!? Love it!
Thing about renting furniture is; if you have pet allergies, or what if the other people have bed bugs (some people don't react to the bites).
Top interview Pieter! groeten uit Curacao :-)
Inspirational! Thanks
What a nice guy :-) Hats off to him.
Wow, enjoying this so much.
Remarkable and Outstanding work.
Pieter's a great guy - super-high integrity.
Thank goodness you brought this up! Truly, investing has changed my perspective on how one can succeed in life; working multiple jobs isn't the optimal way to attain financial freedom and unfortunately, we discover this later in life. Currently earn as much as 10 grand weekly and this has improved my financial life. Great piece!..
@kevinandrew8932
3 ай бұрын
Do you mind sharing info on the adviser who assisted you? I'm 39 now and would love to grow my portfolio and plan my retirement
@toralayous8500
3 ай бұрын
She's OLIVIA SULLIVAN FINANCIALS
@amelianathan4076
3 ай бұрын
she's a known advisor. I actually did look her up curiously and went through her credentials on her webbsite... Top-notch! I wrote her an email, hopefully she's accepting new intakes.
@sambrambilla3524
3 ай бұрын
I'm definitely gonna check her out. Do yo have any idea if she manages family fund?
@godpowerfelix6441
3 ай бұрын
i'm amazed by this, it has rekindled the fire to my goal.
this was a great interview, I feel very inspired.
Very interesting episode!
Pieter has a bit of an ego from time to time, but overall solid guy doing solid work. Quite unbelievable that there are SaaS companies doing less ARR in a year with teams of 30/40/50 people.
@helengren9349
10 ай бұрын
Well, his ego is to BE him self..🤷♀️ Why being somebody else ❓🤔🤷♀️
Amazing podcast. Pieter is my hero. All these CEOs of these amazing startups are missing to share the real thing: how to find people to fill the content before you launch the app. Because if I have a great idea, but I don't have the content to put in it, how do I find it? where do I find it? Sharing on social media is not enough anymore, it's not 2014 anymore. I'm talking about this because I'm building my first startup after many failures, so this is a key point: content.
@randomperson619
Жыл бұрын
Congratulations and best of luck for your startup.
at these sorts of earning I'd be doing my travelling on a yacht, you have a proper "home" (even with live-in staff to clean) but can see a new city every day if you want. Well done Pieter.
In the right communities the Buy Nothing groups are super awesome. Keeps landfills from added junk and money for family's going to the things that matter
Love this guy. Taking notes!
I wish you could have let him talk more and interrupted less.
The most awaited podcast.
Awesome episode! But could have been better if Sam let Pieter speak more lol
Roof top storage 🙂 and other roof top “real estate” use would be amazing businesses
Let Pieter talk guys!
Finally!!!! Been waiting for this episode from the time Steph Smith mentioned him!🤩🤩
Love this show 💓
19:30 - If only more businesses used stacks that could fix problems more quickly. Even sites with relatively small communities with EVERYONE requesting the same feature upgrades can take month, years, or just NEVER happen lol. Thumbs up to levels
I made my first “0” means payoff my debts And now preparing my first million
I FRIGGIN LOVE JUNGLE AND DRUM AND BASS ....AND I ALWAYS TALK ABOUT THE WAVE OF FORTUNE💞💞💞💞💞
As a nomad Im glad to have found this guy and his stuff
FYI, Sonder is not an aparthotel. "Apartment hotels" or aparthotels are popular in some countries outside the USA; they're hotels with rooms that are more like apartments. They have all the benefits of a hotel, but are designed for longer stays. You can stay as little as 1 night, though. Not the same as renting many rooms in an apartment and "Airbnbing" them or short-term leasing them, which is what Sonder type businesses do.
It’s great that you’re trying to introduce This Guy However more from the guest would be appreciated
The fact that this channel does not have at least 500 k subs still baffles me and yet there are a lot of nonsensical channels that have a huge fan following.
Great podcast
My top 5 episode for sure
Pieter has a great video on KZread from 4 years ago called "How to build a startup without finding"
okay. this was long time coming. about to wach it, should be a great episode! on a separate note, man - shaan's lost a lot of weight. is it sleepless nights due to milk road or your trainer levelled you up again?
Was waiting for this episode from the day you guys invited him
Residence Inn was sold to Marriott years ago. A great success story.
Several thoughts 1. This guy looks exactly like NBA player Domantas Sabonis. 2. This interview was not informative since it did not explain how he monitizes his websites. For example, how does his job board make money. Companies like ZipRecruiter had to build out a massive sales team to start generating revenue from companies. 3. There were no hard questions asked, just people sharing mindset. Where was the useful information?
@moneywisebyhampton
Жыл бұрын
Have oyu gone to his sites to see how it makes money?
Cool interview ................ LOL @45:50 the person cleaning in the back
love drumnbass!remembering the days
Love this guy Piet. The interviewers interrupt too much!
I move around Europe with 4 dogs, driving. EU Pet Passport needed for each one, with optional photo. Rescued - strays.
thank you for this
Has anyone heard about the new meme project AINEMO? They are at the launch stage, the project looks interesting. I would like to know your professional opinion as an expert))). May I ask you to make a video review of this project?
@user-yt2db8jy1v
Жыл бұрын
Oh yes, I also heard about this project. I'm interested in their game and NFT. It must be great
@SCEENfAZER
Жыл бұрын
I join the request for a video review!
@olenavovchok9324
Жыл бұрын
And what can the author review? Is it real?😮
These guys maybe were too young but CORT, has been a nationwide furniture rental company for decades. They´re actually global now. There are other ones too but they have always marketed more lower end since in the US the idea is you have to own everything.
1:18:00 - on not wanting to commit to a platform because of the implied work: Business Idea: Being in a shadow KZreadr. By this I mean, bring in a person who you like, who has your values, and being then in on every meeting/conference. - The intent is to 'make' someone (like raising a child on fast forward) so you do not necessarily want someone who thinks they are already a big deal. In return they create videos for KZread with your help until they don't need it anymore about your content, plus their own. Like an apprenticeship. You both go up faster than you would alone
@VickiSchwarz
Жыл бұрын
I've been trying to invent this position for myself.
I think he should build a digital-business-building-site that’s a mashup of Canva and Kindle Direct Publishing. Here are some tools and formats and integrations to play with to then create your own software that can be marketed to the entire world and you don’t have to learn to code etc.
Cory furniture rental does $1Billion+ in revenue and was founded in 1971
Such a humble and nice guy, would love to travel with guys like him or with him 😅🙈
@DavidPilco
Жыл бұрын
You wishhhh ahaha
Sam you stopped pieter while talking, what are the bots he has used?
@mavericksr3530
11 ай бұрын
yep, that exact time period was excellent until he was cut off randomly
Ohh the dog issue is real and there has to be a business idea or two right there. Drove across the country twice the past year with my highly anxious senior GSP because he would have died if I tried to fly with him…. The travel friendly dog owner service should be a thing with out pricing out the main stream. Esp post pandemic when everyone and their mama has a dog now
Pieter is awesome, what a great episode
great one
Sam is really fanboying in this episode :D
Will one day be on this show. Have loved the show since I started following …. Giving myself 2 years tops 😊
Let the guy talk.
What a legend
Sam you mentioned writing is a talent - any tips you've used to find talented writers for the Hustle?
@falkar
Жыл бұрын
Also mentioned a few times it's really hard to have journalist writers as employees 😂
Curious wonder if he had not studied business admin if he would have the same outlook.
Shaan speaks as though he knows more about the guest's buisness more than the person himself
Totally agree ask guest questions and get out of his way.
Shaan is the smart one for recognizing and taking advantage of market cycles.
You are not letting him talk! Gosh
"The problem is, it never goes down anymore" 🤣
Really cool and inspiring! Also, 51:31 TFW the Dutch guy speaks better English than the interviewers by saying _lie_ down instead of the nonsensical "lay down" that these guys have said. Also, _route_ is pronounced identically to "root"; it's not _rout,_ which means something entirely different.