Oberon is going to be a big changing point for FGO! Will you be rolling him or trying to go without? Thanks for watching! If you enjoyed the analysis, make sure to like and subscribe for more daily content!

@ferdinandmanapat6561

11 ай бұрын

is np1 enough to black grail loop with oberon?

@Sleepyduo38

11 ай бұрын

He is out now, so it was great that you released the video earlier.😀

I feel like not a lot of people bring up that between double Oberon, Arash/Habetrot, any 50% charger, and the second append skill unlocked, you can 3 turn farm with any Servant. In hindsight, the fact that they added Koyanskaya, Oberon, Habetrot, Servant Coins, and a permanent 5 star ticket you can use to get Waver for free all around the same time, might be the best QoL update we've had.

@nknown3982

11 ай бұрын

And then there's 90++ nodes

@andreicalegari1837

11 ай бұрын

and enough damage to do dailies and nothing more than that

@TheFantasyChronicler

11 ай бұрын

@@andreicalegari1837 Actually, with Castoria and Black Grail, even Phantom is capable of around 160,000 on turn 2 and around 300,000+ on turn 3 with this double Oberon system. And Arash's and Habetrot's turn 1 damage shouldn't be a problem for most nodes. Arash deals about 60,000-70,000 on neutral and Habetrot, about 40,000-50,000 (This is only factoring the first Oberon's buffs and is CE-agnostic, so there damage can potentially be higher).

@andreicalegari1837

11 ай бұрын

@@TheFantasyChronicler from where did you get that 160k?

@damienmitchell3104

11 ай бұрын

@@nknown3982 90++ isnt essential or mandatory for event clears. and as both khad and others have mentioned sometimes 90+ is far far more efficient for clearing. but it depends on your account

1:47 Pretenders are weak against Foreigners - MC is called “foreign mage” in the LB. Lol

@emiya9831

11 ай бұрын

touché

Oberon has no choice but to join my Chaldea, I'm about to break my SQ Balance on him but no regret about it.

@xolotltolox7626

11 ай бұрын

Only 900 SQ until pity

@SilentNamikaze

11 ай бұрын

@@xolotltolox7626 Already have it ready for him.

@CCTV--X_X

11 ай бұрын

Wishing you very quick luck on him

@aiyannaa862

11 ай бұрын

​@@SilentNamikazeSame here- I had over 1000 sq but used 100 to get Koyan.

@dustlass

11 ай бұрын

You're gonna get him on the first single and instantly regret not rolling on anyone else

managed to snag oberon on the spook banner they dropped on us out of nowhere a few hours ago. his ability to make it so we dont need high np levels to clear 90+ nodes and to bring mid servants up is phenomenal.

I can't properly express how much it _kills_ me that OG Artoria is missing 10% _somewhere_ from being able to Black Grail off a KKO setup. I have her at NP5 due to random spooks over 8 years. Imagine the damage ceiling. Goddamn.

@teIekid

11 ай бұрын

Three words for you: *Rising Mud Rain* The dmg difference is minimal with Oberon and NP5. Just do it.

@dstreetz91

11 ай бұрын

@@teIekid Yeah, prior to that we have duke of flame at least though rising mud raid is her best CE by far. Duke of flame is nice for giving NP damage up to combo with Oberon's 3 too.

@Thailandsmostwanted

11 ай бұрын

try the double oberon setup

@andreicalegari1837

11 ай бұрын

@@Thailandsmostwanted way worse damage anyway, even more so for the first and second waves

@AshleythetigerUK

11 ай бұрын

Can you get her to not fully kill on turn 1? Use buffs turn 2 instead? That way you can then hopefully have Koyan NP finishing them but also adding 10% charge, that or having Artoria card one with a Buster for 10%? Assuming your NP charge setup is turn 1 mana+Artoria 3rd skill + a Koyan, turn 2 Artoria 20%, Koyan 50% Oberon 20% that is.

I'm surprised Medea lily's NP doesn't fix the Oberon problem, she doesn't really heal she restores things to how they where. (According to her)

@artofthepossible7329

11 ай бұрын

The only way you could is if demerit immunity became a thing, and I don't think Demerits were even a thing when Medea Lily came out.

@KiddDaPhoenix

11 ай бұрын

​@@artofthepossible7329they were. Summer 1's Archuria removes NP gauge when healing for instance. The welfare Shiki assassin does the opposite. Arash dies (buff in disguise but probably meant to be bad).

@dragonmaster3207

11 ай бұрын

@@artofthepossible7329that would be sick idea but could be op

@thatonecanadianguy6523

11 ай бұрын

​@@artofthepossible7329That wouldn't work regardless. Oberon's 3rd skill is treated as a buff, not a demerit. They designed it specifically to always be able to work regardless of what units and skills come out in the future.

@artofthepossible7329

11 ай бұрын

@@KiddDaPhoenix Only Arash came out before Medea Lily did, but I'm at least glad you got someone right.

Got him in 3 multi's and was lucky enough to get 2 copies of him in the same multi back to back, also picked up a Bradamante spook when doing a couple of extra multis to see if I could get any of the 4 stars on the Banner.

@MuhammadUmarAfzal

11 ай бұрын

Bro I got hin in 4 multi s with 1 barghest and 1 Tristan Should I roll for copies?

I love how he says he won’t spoil anything for LB6 but Oberon’s description basically gives away his true personality from the get go.

I came to get a run down on Oberon, and instead I feel like I’m just getting another “Buster looping” video. Sometimes I feel it’s safe to assume that people watching your videos have already seen prior videos made

Oberon: gets me as bricked up as the unit he gives End of a Dream

Hope everybody going for him gets him Goodluck💯

Watching this like it's one of those three+ hour long video essays thank you for the video

PACK IT IN, Murian. End it. And not end it, like kill youself. End it, like pack it in, go home, you're done. - funny mothman

I already got Koyan and I have more than enough to pity Oberon... But I also have NP1 Melusine, Mordred and the odds of me getting Baoban Sith and Bargest is fairly good coz Im rolling on the Oberon banner! My problem is not quarts.... ITS THE FREAKING MATS! The only one I got to 10/10/10 is Mordred coz she came out earlier! I already burned through my pure prisms! And farming is hell!

@dstreetz91

11 ай бұрын

Yeah, have to finish that LB6 to farm all those bells and I can't recall the silver mats that drop there is it the ball of thread? I wish we got pure prisms as a daily reward for daily quests or something though they do now give extra mat tickets on JP for daily missions.

@merrychristmasreaper

11 ай бұрын

Yeeeeah. Newer masters, or hell people like myself who just. Wanna do things other than fucking play fate go lol. End up caught in a bind on farming. Really the best thing I can recommend is to just think of it as an excuse to take it leisurely. Don't farm don't fixate, just grind stuff out every couple of days and settle for a relaxed stroll.

"Foreigner will kill itself" - Khadroth 2023

Khad really had to read out the threat to humanity trait 💀

@Khadroth

11 ай бұрын

It’s part of the kit. If you know, you know.

I must have been on some copium hoping that Oberon would drop today…. :(

@raghavsaran9463

11 ай бұрын

I feel that, I just wanna get it over with lol

And it's neither! It's randomly on 7/12 -> 7/13 reset. So good job pre-making and posting this!

I don't have Black Grail nor Kaleidoscope so he won't be that amusing but even tho I will pick him up cuz is part of the Buster meta I'm so fond of. Also has things that change the game, that's always valuable.

Koyan was very nice to me and came in about 30 tickets, so now my Oberon is guaranteed because I will have 900 quartz for him. Buster farming will not just be guaranteed now but it will best the best it can possibly be. Well, I still don’t have a maxed black grail to use on my np 5 cu caster but I’ll get there eventually.

I had a fgo account for a little while i never really played i would just throw a couple sq here and there and close the game but when i saw morgan that all changed im now starting to learn about the game etc and play i managed to get morgan (np1) and Koyanskaya unfortunately i had to go very close to pity to get her it put a dent in the wallet but im pretty happy i hope her banner took my bad luck so i can get oberon pretty early and then save a little more to get a second morgan

@btchiaintkidding7837

11 ай бұрын

dont forget to use the free ssr ticket from the shop

Pulled him and two extra copies of Tini Tristan in 20 tickets. Feels good, and wish everyone pulling for him that Luck EX

fine youve convinced me

I will be rolling for him... until he appears, pity not withstanding.

THE SUS MAN!!

@muszura6428

11 ай бұрын

Very disappointed he didn't drop today... Still have 900 SQ for him, but waiting another week is just annoying.

@Rik_K1

11 ай бұрын

ZA SUSSY FAERIE

So now we finally have the Amogus-Class. After I got Koyan, I am out of SQs for Oberon, so I'll have to skip him xd

Halloween Princess. Is a maxed stat CE, gives 50% NP charge and 20% NP damage... only issue is it's from the first Halloween event

@Fran_VII

11 ай бұрын

It will come this year on the halloween trilogy rerun

Oh wow, I didn't know Hephaestion was the only ST Pretender in the game. I need to get her when Case Files rerun happens!

@riv7797

11 ай бұрын

Pretender

MOTH.

@Khadroth

11 ай бұрын

MAN.

@HelplessFangirl

11 ай бұрын

THERE'S NO NEED TO FEEL DOWN, I SAID

Oberon is Op Burst farm, cuz it doesn’t matter how many or what the enemy are your charge gonna be 0 after np per wave

Oberon makes all the future servants feel more optional than ever

118lvl, NP4, 2000/2000 Spishtar with Black Grail, ART NP for over 1m ST dmg at last wave, using 2x NP2 Castoria + Oberon. 2nd turn you are able to NP with one Castoria, 3rd wave you can use second Castoria's NP. Meanwhile same Spishtar, 2x Vitch + Oberon and Buster NP deals only ~700k on last wave. I guess Castorias NP just gives way more for Art than the buster type overall. I will just leave Koyan as an support character and stick to castoria+Spishtar with a little addition of Oberon from now, for another year. Maybe I will finally get her to max bond so I will be able to finally 120 her.

Sweet Crystal. Bit of a whale so I always had the rp's and at first only wanted it for the Altera art, but man does it trivialize a lot of annoying content. Not needing to take a servant who can give pierce invul during content where the enemy(s) have invul up constantly is a huge help.

I would like to try go without Oberon(As much of my friends got him already MAXED and set as support) Sadly, Missed Melusine... Currently waiting for Summer Okita Alter.

Well I finally have recovered my stockpile after Muramasa refused to show up until pity hit. So uhhhhh yeah. Oberon waiting room

Quick question, Can the eternal sleep debuff be removed by buff removal (not debuff) effects? The only way i could see this happening is consort yu`s np, and in that case she doesnt get the np dmg buff either, which isnt much of a benefit.

@mysticpumpkin8520

11 ай бұрын

Nope. Eternal Sleep is unremovable by ANY means Also the servant cant be sacrificed by Mr Gong nor switched off. The enemy kills them or you stay with them all battle

@solitare4602

11 ай бұрын

@@mysticpumpkin8520 No, they mean before the Eternal Sleep happens. OG Yu's NP gets rid of your buffs and debuffs before damage. The delayed buff/debuff that bricks your units should be removable by Yu's NP, but you'd miss out on the benefits so it's a moot point.

@TheAnaz41745

11 ай бұрын

One way to remove it is to die and procc a Guts, which will remove the eternal sleep timer buff It can be done but require elaborate setups

Oberon will probably my first Grailed male servant

Oberon and Double-Summer Skadi are the only way I can seem to get Jacques de Molay to 3-turn assassins (in theory) so I have held off on Koyan to have enough to reach pity with Oberon if need be. Im so ready. Edit: NEVER say you're ready to hit pity. You're never ready to hit pity.

@Unshatter

11 ай бұрын

You can 3 turn any servant, but damage may vary. You just need superscope, double Oberon, Habertrot with Battle of Calmann CE, and any 50% NP support. This is what I will use to loop my NP5 Raikou until she gets an NP charge upgrade.

@mysticpumpkin8520

11 ай бұрын

​​@@Unshattero add to this, iirc any servant with at least 10% charge or able to produce at least 10% gauge after NP can loop without the battle of Calmann

@Sb142sf

11 ай бұрын

L i got 6 ticks koyan with pity for oberon

@johnmarike2911

11 ай бұрын

@@Unshatter yea, my standard was 3 enemies with 100k health on all waves but I never even considered a comp with habetrot and camlann CE...thanks 👍

@quaggyboy4277

11 ай бұрын

​@@UnshatterCan you please tell me how to utilize those things in order to do 3T farming especially that I am still new to the game itself, just finished Agartha??

I use Faker a lot. Dunno why she's the only single target pretender after 2 years.

Okay so I just reached the Barghest fight where Obby is a forced support with 2 skills, and the first one said "Evening Shroud EX", but now GamePress says it's "Pall of Darkness EX"? That one is kind of contentious since I think it can also be called "Curtain of the Night" or "Veil of the Night". Would have preferred "Morning Skylark" over "Morning Lark" too, but what about S3? Will it be "End of the Dream" or "End of a Dream", or something else entirely? Also funny how he is an Archer in that fight...

@nelisezpasce

11 ай бұрын

"Ending of Dreams" 💀

I got about 300+sq with 34 tickets and a lot of worries

@CCTV--X_X

11 ай бұрын

Best of luck, make sure you grab a catalyst lol

@spectacularrobotToys

11 ай бұрын

@@CCTV--X_X Thank u. You as well and I will haha

@aiyannaa862

11 ай бұрын

Good luck! I think you got a good shot. I've been saving since January so I got enough for pity. Really excited for his banner.

@spectacularrobotToys

11 ай бұрын

​@@aiyannaa862Good luck to you too. I hope you don't have to go as far as pity! Honestly I was gonna go for Morgan but I had to be convinced with how much Oberon completes farming squads. Not only that he would be a long wait if I miss him now. In a perfect world I pull both... Well it's free to dream lol

@astradalm

11 ай бұрын

​@@spectacularrobotToysConsidering Morgan comes back early next year it's not that big of a deal in comparison to waiting till December 2024.

Also worth noting too, that sometimes alignments are speaking about a character's over all characterization within a specific slice of time. Gilgamesh over Fate glides through villain, mankind's last divine ember passing the torch to humanity for their turn - And the over all jock bro who peaked in college and is now just goofing around watching shit, because he made his money and has been bored since🤣 Characters are flexible

Unfortunately I'm skipping him for summer Kama and Koyan of Dark which hopefully i'll still have 900+ for Arcruied

@octapusxft

11 ай бұрын

So you are more waifu focused than meta focused eh? Between Dark and Arcruied you will be able to save like 1800 sq

@crimsonknightli1238

11 ай бұрын

@octapusxft Kinda I just don't want him right now if I do roll for him it will be a single 10 pull

@nameunknown8441

11 ай бұрын

I am actually skipping the first two, but I am with you for the vampire lady.

s3 belike: you must pay the price

@nknown3982

11 ай бұрын

Still the best skill in game

Where do you reccomend putting Oberon in the friend support setup?

@coldbacon4869

11 ай бұрын

Tbh I don’t think too many people will use a support Oberon. He seems like the kinda unit you just want to have personally because you’ll need your double castoria/koyanskaya for your farming teams. Also you can set up 3 support setups so if you don’t have all 3 full of servants you can do that.

Something I am confused on regarding him is that, should I be using his third skill AFTER using up all the np dmg buffs? I.e, if i use his third skill BEFORE applying other np dmg buffs, then does that mean the skill wont take the np buffs that were added later into account?

@astradalm

11 ай бұрын

They apply in any order. As long as there any external NP buffs they will be multiplied.

@emiya9831

11 ай бұрын

@@astradalm I see. Thank you.

Oh, I wonder how they will localize his skills...

@joshuaguste6883

11 ай бұрын

They are probably keeping some of it due to how prominent the Shakespeare play is tied to his being.

Stars for days

pog

i got him np2 and i can say his unlock 3rd form quest is a bitch

I want to use him as my farmer because his np is cool, how many np levels is recommended for Oberon so that he could farm well?

@egoro8905

11 ай бұрын

From what I can tell np2 is essential for the bare minimum if you want to do that. But higher np levels are needed for more safety. At least that is based on my own experience. Others mire knowledgeable might say otherwise.

People really were mad about that old video 💀

Okey so how about Yu Mei Ren? Doesn't she take off all of her buffs?

@Sven-wu2ek

11 ай бұрын

Yes, I’m pretty sure that works, but obviously you don’t even get the buff anyway so she’s a special case.

Are you sure about that? Melu couldn't do Marthamas at NP5 even with Oberon. This was in 90+ btw. NP1 still will not do lottos without pmod CE.

When you accidentally use his third skill on turn one:

Im going to be dragging him home whether he wants to or not 😇 This is the first time Ive saved up this much SQ

we gonna be black grail gaming

I really wish rider medusa had a 30% charge now.

@jefffgo7154

11 ай бұрын

she can farm with double oberon

I've got 1.5k quartz and 140 tickets. RELEASE THE MOTH

Me and my 120 sq are ready for him 😅

If I get Oberon it should enable me to clear 90++ in the future right? As f2p i mostly only have np 1 SSR.

@muszura6428

11 ай бұрын

Same I'm F2P and all my SSRs are NP1. I asked that same question before and from what I was told yeah it should be good with Oberon. Maybe not everytime but if you have good SSRs you should be fine.

@tsumukarimuramasa

11 ай бұрын

Yes but you'd need a solid arts DPS to get the benifit of BG+ his 3rd skill

@LSMadness

11 ай бұрын

Depends on your unit, even some sr are useful for 90++. Certain 90++ will need a bit more investment. Especially for ST. But oberon definitely made it easier.

@angelofdeath251

11 ай бұрын

@@LSMadness oberon isnt even mandatory for a f2p to farm 90++ he just makes it way easier.

@LSMadness

11 ай бұрын

@@angelofdeath251 ...that's essentially what i said. But yeah i agree.

Just waiting on a 60% charger to ensure any AOE servant can loop ... Dumas maybe?

Oberon banner is up. I got him in 8 tickets. My 5 month plan of saving and waiting for Morgan, Castoria, Koyan, and Oberon worked to perfection. I got them all this past month or so and have plenty of SQ left (1,100+). It is a big feat because I only spend real money on GSSRs. Not sure who I should target next. Any suggestions, @Khadroth?😊😊

@Gonzora

11 ай бұрын

WARNING: my post will spoil characters that will be arriving next year. Ok? Fine, let's go! Honestly, from a pure meta point of view there aren't really any targets for this year now that LB6 has passed. Summer Okita Alter is good for the Quick meta and Summer Kama + Sakamoto Lancer for the Art meta but they won't change much in your box if you already have strong servants in those roles. Objectively, the best to do is to save all your summons for the seventh anniversary star character and all ssr from the summer 2024 event. I mean, Archetype Earth is literally the most requested crossover character + she's pretty strong, Summer Ibuki is completely OP, Summer Skadi boosts the Quick meta and Lady Avalon is basically Merlin but for Art team. All that being said, if you're a fan of certain less op future servants or waiting for some reruns, there's nothing stopping you from summoning for them.

1200 SQ waiting for him. He aint gonna escape, i just hope i dont get Mysted.

@aiyannaa862

11 ай бұрын

I actually had 1000 sq for him but I used 100 for Koyan. Luckily I was able to get her so now I have 900 sq for him. I've been saving since January after getting Douman from the GSSR. Hoping for np 2 at least until his next banner.

Please come home early! I need him to support my buster teams.

@nknown3982

11 ай бұрын

Most of the time he's a better support for arts

@jasminguiza6227

11 ай бұрын

@@nknown3982 Either way he’s a great support. Thanks for the info btw.

Had saved a pity for him (f2p). Luckily he came home before that.

Oberon is the kind of unit I would normally most certainly skip for some summer servants. But he is just too good to pass. Especially since he enables some of my absolute favourite units in the game to shine. My level 120 Tamamo Lancer will be so good at killing everything single target once she gets her charge early next year. My Ishtar, Eresh and Okita Alter (all grailed to 100 and 2k Fous) will buster farm and my level 100 Space Ishtar will be even more useful (how is this even possible). So even if I am totally in the waifu>meta team when it comes to gacha games, making your waifus tremendously more useful and widely more applicable is something I just cant pass up on.

0:30 if they did make oberon a beast, then it would ruin the whole beast thing, after all to become a beast you need to have some sort of live for humanity

Got 300 SQ and 30 tickets ready to go. Got Koyan in two multis so I'm praying to god I get him before I have to buy quartz. I think he is a must have and if you don't go for him you are an idiot.

@aroperdope

11 ай бұрын

An idiot who will have to wait until next year. I'm hoping I'm not part of that category when he finally drops...

When is he dropping

@localpriest6337

11 ай бұрын

Most likely next week

I immediately thought "I wonder if buff block would work." Started laughing right after. Im a huge summer Musashi Simp so I want to see how much higher i can push her damage. Besides that I got Koyan so im ready to buster farm

When is the banner dropping?

@temyar55

11 ай бұрын

Next week

@Asleep_maybeNot

11 ай бұрын

@@temyar55 thx bro

As someone who doesn't care about three turn farming so much, I find kind of hard to consider rolling him. Yes, I have seen the numbers and how he works in a three turn format. That is not how I play this game (unless I am pressed for time) and his performance outside three turns has diminishing returns.

When’s his banner

@SmartyPantsDash

11 ай бұрын

Prolly Monday coming week

Khad did you get a haircut?

best servant with oberon? koyanskaya. who am i skipping? koyanskaya? 6 months of fudging my teams until shes back.

@gunnarschlichting9886

11 ай бұрын

Still really good for Arts teams as well. You don't benefit from the 50% buster up, but the 70% charge and the double NP damage up still apply. For someone like Muramasa or Spishtar who ramp up NP damage when looping, he is a massive damage increase still on wave 3.

When does he release?

@astradalm

11 ай бұрын

17th probably

@coko9186

11 ай бұрын

Probably right after tamamo bitch banner goes away

let me in i'm a fairy i swear

uh i thought oberon's passive worked on blocking his third skill, even on the wiki it showed the purple (eternal) sleep is included on the mental block.

@coko9186

11 ай бұрын

His eternal sleep is treated as a buff, not debuff

just now 8 ticks for double koran, still got 850 sq for oberon

Swear to god if my 600SQ aint enough I'm gonna cry, bitch and moan... And proceed to buy 300 SQ for pity because I got Melusine and Koyan AIN'T NO WAY I'M MISSING MOTHMAN

@mysticpumpkin8520

11 ай бұрын

You could had just saved 100 tickets tho

@leonsdx

11 ай бұрын

I had 750SQ and 60 tickets What I have now is leftovers from Koyan I wasn't exactly planning to roll for Möthman but the fact that Melusine was 1 ticket and Koyan left me with a lot more SQ than expected led me to my current situation 😂

@aroperdope

11 ай бұрын

​@@leonsdxI know what you mean. Koyanskaya left me with a lot of currency 💲....

Grinding some SQ for him, at 150sq and 11 tix now. Getting 30sq more for consecutive login. Hopefully he'll come home then. Otherwise creditcard-kun will take some hits😅

MOTHMAN WOOO hes coming out tomorrow right?

@dc6945

11 ай бұрын

Next week

@xoxoxovaivaivai

11 ай бұрын

the 11th?

@munuli3782

11 ай бұрын

Haha...ha...ha... I wish

@yhellowd2318

11 ай бұрын

To my understanding, since Oberon didn't release today he will most likely come out on the 17th right after koyan leaves

@rightupmyalley617

11 ай бұрын

if only... will be next monday

There is one way to avoid eternal sleep *Chen Gong*

It's Moth Time!

I still have 1570 sq and 112 tickets ur cumming home

just dont use Oberon with next years Valintines Servant it wont be pretty.

Skip him bcoz he is dude.. Would go whale if lasagna release female version oberon or oberonia👍

@SmartyPantsDash

11 ай бұрын

I can respect that

@nknown3982

11 ай бұрын

No

@VitchAndVorty

11 ай бұрын

The fuck is 'Oberonia'. Oberon's counterpart is Titania, his wife.

@llrus6818

11 ай бұрын

cry about it

I was lucky to get Koyan quite early, but now that there is no overlap I am itching to go for NP2... but then again, Oberon. orz Who benefits more from NP2, Koyanskaya or Oberon?

@jaffaboyo5873

11 ай бұрын

Whichever one you intend on using as a damage dealer instead of just a support. Neither of them gain extra support capabilities from NP2, so NP2 either for damage or love.

@GS_CCC

11 ай бұрын

Oberon, koyan's np is only really used for 6-slot with her + castoria and a looper. You will mostly only use it vs man trait enemies since the buster buff will be mostly useless if not used on herself and needs append Oberon wont need append for that and since lacks damage against 3 classes i find it to be better to get more np lvs. Different from koyans he has crazy buff value for the looper against anything. Use his charge as sup if you are vs classes he is bad against/cant kill wave and NP to clear wave when at advantage.

@nknown3982

11 ай бұрын

Neither tbh, you're sq is better spent on some better dps np copies