The thing is that QBs are almost always the most important players on the team. You almost never see teams with bad quarterbacks doing well, and even if they are they can never truly be great. Look at the Vikings and Cowboys, mid QBs and they're known for being mid at best. Also, offensive player of the year doesn't mean they're the most valuable to their team, there's a lot of players that are more important to their teams than JJettas

@colegreer9143

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Nah def o linemen nothing happens without them

@BallKnower24

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@@colegreer9143 frl

@sean7885

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@@colegreer9143 Idk you can make a solid argument for basically any position, you do need good o linemen but they'll never be able to take you anywhere without a good qb. QBs need o linemen and vice versa, although I do think o linemen are the most underappreciated players in the league.

@waterh20

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@@sean7885 The difference is that you need 5 good linemen, 1 lineman doesn’t do anything by himself.

@sidmonge5762

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@@colegreer9143 no one can impact the game as much as a qb statistically do to how much they touch the ball

if Cooper Kupp couldnt get MVP with the type of season he had last year, there was NO WAY jefferson was winning it this year

@andrewmarchetti4813

Жыл бұрын

Or just the fact that mahomes had one of the greatest seasons by a qb ever too. Broke total yards in a season record. Jjettas didn't do anything near what pat did

@Gopackgoinfinity

Жыл бұрын

2013 manning clown get ur gen z ass out of here

@DecemberSagittarius91

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@@andrewmarchetti4813 didn't jj break the single season receiving yards record?

@cybbr6452

Жыл бұрын

@@DecemberSagittarius91 no

@ItsPlatzy

Жыл бұрын

@@DecemberSagittarius91 not even close lol

The way papa says daboll like dabble 😂

Geno revived his career like no player in history has ever done. If the comeback player of the year has to be a player that got hurt then they should just name it the got hurt in our dangerous sport and did good again the next year award

@llllllllllllllllllll9792

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Geno came back from being ass and went to being good at best not even top 15 he would be the mip most improved player because he improved a lot but he didn’t come back from anything

@alexvargo8043

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@@llllllllllllllllllll9792 not top ten based off what?

the fact ken got more oroy votes and didnt get the award shows how flawed it truly is

You can’t deny that the qb position is the most valuable position

THE NATIONAL Football League Comeback Player Of the Year Award is an award that is given to an NFL player who has shown perseverance in overcoming adversity, in the form of not being in the NFL the previous year, a severe injury, OR SIMPLY POOR PERFORMANCE! MMG YOU ARE WRONG The reward was given out correctly GENO SMITH COMEBACK PLAYER OF THE YEAR PUT SOME RESPECT ON HIS NAME

@retrowolves1868

Жыл бұрын

This is taken straight from the nfl website. Usually it's given to an injured player so that's what we are used to. Geno Smith has done the impossible and come back from being called a GARBAGE CAN

@sar0jam

Жыл бұрын

correct, if CPOY was just injured player that would be dumb, it’s called comeback not formerly injured player of the year.

@llllllllllllllllllll9792

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The comeback player of the year is someone that came back from something detrimental from the year prior. Geno came back from being absolute dogshit to being good at best isnt better than saquon coming back from a injury and was the reason his team made the playoffs

@retrowolves1868

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@@llllllllllllllllllll9792 yup you are correct that was the difference between saquon and geno one came back from injury and one came back from being dogwater. Both being eligible for this award

@llllllllllllllllllll9792

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@@retrowolves1868 coming back from being ass shouldn’t constitute for the cpoty he didn’t come back from anything holding him back

If you think about it there should be Offensive lineman in the talk for the MVP race because if your o line is ass than you don't have the plays you do. Granted if you have a QB like Mahomes, Burrow, Lamar, Josh Allen Qb's that can extended a play than yes they are deserving of being in the race, but theres a limit to how many times a game they can do that and you got guys like Trent Williams, Lane Johnson, Jason Kelce, Quinton Nelson some Premium pass blocks that protect the "precious" QB's and let them do their job.

@Random-so8qp

Жыл бұрын

💀

papa just wants WOM upgrades lol

@thebronzejade6969

Жыл бұрын

underrated comment

QBs will always win MVP because it always has, and always will be the most valuable position on the field, in all of sports. The rare exceptions (AP and LT) are also narrative driven, to your point. Yeah is lame that a QB wins the award every year, but that's also because no matter how great a skill position player is, they'll never be more valuable than an elite quarterback.

@thomasklein8564

Жыл бұрын

Without jj the Vikings would be significantly worse. You can make the same argument for the chiefs if Patrick Mahomes wasn’t playing for them. The criteria should be the most impactful player. To be honest Patrick Mahomes would be worse without his safety valve TE, Kirk cousins would be worse without jj.

Love your video MMG

K9 snubbed he was a major factor as to why the Seahawks made the playoffs

I agree besides the Geno Smith take, it's not the coming back from injury award, it's Comeback player, Geno his whole career in the league never played amazing he came back from a ton of adversity, being a back up and completely balled out when people thought Seattle would finish with the number 1 overall pick he overcame expectations drastically, there were reports Seattle had the worse QB room in the league before the start of the season. He earned that reward.

@bon01_

Жыл бұрын

I agree. I agree w matt in that the definition of ‘comeback’ player isn’t really clear but In terms of this year, geno definitely deserved it. Sure saquon and dak came back from injuries, but those weren’t like Alex smith level of adversity to come back from. Still terrible Injuries, but it’s not like we haven’t seen anyone come back from it

No one talks about Derrick Henry for comeback player of the year. I think he deserves more recognition because he was out for half of last year and then got 1500 rushing yards and 13 tds (or at least close to that). People haven’t even mentioned him in the award tho and I think that’s disrespectful to the year he had.

@_______________.__

Жыл бұрын

he had almost 1k yards and 10 tds last season...

I mean the acronym stays the same M.V.P - most valuable passer🤣

I was so happy to hear the K9 appreciation, and when you brought up the point about the CBPOY being split into two awards, I realizes that’s actually so true it would work so much better as two separate awards with different criteria

@ralpheonowens5583

Жыл бұрын

But coming back from poor performance is a criteria for the award

@charliesarver

Жыл бұрын

@@ralpheonowens5583It definitely is and Geno 100% deserved it but they should definitely spilt CPOY and Most Improved Player.

@ishudsonn3183

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@@charliesarver w take

best football youtube podcast ever frl frl (Also yall USE CODE MMG)

catch/ run of the year should be a award

there should be an award for the best o line in the league

K9 should have been OROY because he had more total yards, more tds, less game played, made playoffs, and had a bad interior line for those who wanna complain about zach wilson and strevler. Flacco low key wasn’t that bad at beginning of the year and white was good in 2 bad in 2

Goes to show you how good LT was to win league MVP at LB

I’ve been waiting for this 🙌

Speaking facts

I been watching mmg since i was a little kid and his ass takes are one of the most consistent things on earth 💔💔 disgraceful stuff really

@BallKnower24

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💀

@King-bx5tk

Жыл бұрын

Wdym bro these are 10/10 takes

@lethereall3442

Жыл бұрын

Wdym ass, yes they’re arguable but they’re not horrible takes, he makes some good points

@nightsnipernick7388

Жыл бұрын

U have not been watching him since a little kid unless your like 12😂 plus these were pretty good takes actually

@Dee--

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@@nightsnipernick7388 by little kid i meant like 14 lol

Another MMG bangerrr🔥🔥🔥

they gotta add awards like best o line/ d line

Not to mention K9 had THE *MOST* 1ST PLACE VOTES and still lost 😭

@Dee--

Жыл бұрын

did you just find out how the voting system works? 😭 plus he only had 1 more 1st place vote

@JynxzisSon

Жыл бұрын

@@Dee--I know how it works lol, it’s just stupid that the man who got more 1st place votes lost

@jtwk3400

Жыл бұрын

@@Dee-- this is the first year where this voting system took place and it is absolutely mental that you get rewarded for being second best

@Dee--

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@@jtwk3400 Wilson 1st pl votes(18) 2nd (19) 3rd (9) Walker 1st pl votes (19) 2nd (8) 3rd (10) should walker get rewarded for having less top 3 votes and more 3rd place votes? That voting system is how All Pro teams were selected all this time and if you weren’t a seahawk fan you wouldn’t give two shits about it being used for the other awards

@jtwk3400

Жыл бұрын

@@Dee-- this is different due to the fact that all pro is meant to have two teams and this is an individual award. Why the fuck should it matter who is second best for an individual honor.

My dude A QB is the MVP. The most important position in all of sports.

@ralpheonowens5583

Жыл бұрын

So there’s no reason to call in mvp then, and you’re saying a player hasn’t had a better year than a qb?

I would agree with Meags but I need to hear a argument against the QB’s that won bc maybe it’s the fact the QB’s that are winning it are bona fide HOFers and the numbers back that up. NOW I do agree some years maybe some players got snubbed but idk just a bad argument imo❤

@antoniotrivelloni8191

Жыл бұрын

Cooper Kupp last year was arguably snubbed, 2014 JJ Watt was DEFINITELY snubbed. Those are the big two I can think of now.

@kane6079

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@@antoniotrivelloni8191 and I actually agree with that bc Cooper had a backpack and carried them to a SB, I’ve never seen a WR sooooo consistent in his production almost ever and Also with that Watt year BUT it’s just how it is,

They do all pro awards which is the best player at every position

i think you forgot that the quarterback IS the most valuable position in football hence why they receive most of the most valuable player awards

@camelblues8872

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🤓🤓

MMG COMMON W

@Cxution

Жыл бұрын

L

How everyone thinks Sauce is better than Tariq is beyond me. Sauce Gardner has 2 less TDs allowed and 4 more PDs, while Tariq has a lower passer rating allowed, 3x the Ints on 20 less targets, 5x the turnovers, less yards and comp% allowed, and higher shadow rate among other things. Not to mention Tariq is bigger, faster, he has better ball skills and better hip movement. While Sauce did play better receivers, Tariq didn’t play terrible ones either. He shut down D-Hop, Davante, DJ Moore, and Garrett Wilson. Tariq 100% should be DROY and the fact that only 1 of 50 AP voters thought that as well is absolutely wild.

@APTheGoatt

Жыл бұрын

Finally someone gets it. Tariq was robbed.

I would use the following structure. Offensive MVP Best QB Best Offensive Skill (other than qb) Best Offensive Lineman Defensive MVP Best Defensive Line Best Linebacker Best DB This is basically how most high school associations do their awards and I think it works super well. It still keeps the awards rate while giving out a proper amount of recognition. Something you forgot to mention was all pro which is not like the pro bowl since it is voted on by players. All pro kind of takes care of recognition for a lot of guys.

the most real man out here papa your the goat

"Watch live 3x a week" …hasn't been live for over a week.

A suggestion from a friend of mine, they said there should be a MIP or Most Improved Player and used Geno Smith as an example instead of this kind of thing overlapping Come Back Player of the Year as CMC and Saquon Barkley find that award better.

I remember this year where jj watt got 20.5 sacks and 5 tds and got snubbed of mvp 5 ff and 5 fr

Matt is right but also wrong about the MVP award because yes the QB is the most impactful position in football and is what is needed the most for a team to be successful, the Jets whole roster is good except their QB same with the Colts and Saints and Pats sometimes on some teams their QB isn't their most impactful player, for example, Kirk was not the most impactful on the Vikings it was JJettas same thing with the Jets, Sauce Gardner was their best player in his rookie season. So instead of calling the MVP the most valuable player it should be called the most valuable passer and the opoy should be the most impactful of the year so basically, there would be an MVP for only QBs and then an MVP for other positional players that were very impactful for their teams success or outcome.

We need an official O Lineman of the year big guys need that love wen they putting all these guys on there back

They need to have a OL and DL award, as a unit for both awards. Also, I agree with what youre saying with rewording or making separate awards for most improved or best coaches/ players

@Dee--

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All Pro 1st Team is kinda that tbh

@kcwalters3047

Жыл бұрын

@@Dee-- yea but I was thinking more of a “which single team has the best OL or DL unit as a whole” type of award

Cmc shouldve been comeback player of the year

Maybe try the NHL form of awards where there is a goal to accomplish like the art ross is for the player that scores the most points. So the NFL superlative could be most touchdowns accounted for or something in the regards of that it make it more interesting cause they would statistically win that award

The reason that it is a QB dominant award is because QB is the most important single position on a team. When a QB has a great season it will most likely translate into regular and postseason success. When a RB has an amazing season it is much less likely to translate into that same level of success. Just look at the RBs to win a superbowl over the last 20 years. When a QB leads the league in QB stats while leading his team to a great record, he deserves to win the award. To further prove the importance of the QB, look at the last 20 QBs to win a superbowl. They are all hall of famers besides Brad Johnson but he had one of the best defenses this league has ever seen. I do however agree that defensive players, especially pass rushers are overlooked. Pass rushers are just as important to team success as the QB in my opinion. Again look at the last 20 super bowl winning teams, they all have an elite pass rush. So in the case of a legendary defensive season like JJ Watt's 2014 season, they should at the very least be up for consideration.

They probably should rename the award

Kickers need more recognition in this to. Btw kick with me?

idk maybe its just me but valuable to me is defined by the impact you have on your team and the qb is the only player who has the ball in his hand every play hell be more valuable than a receiver who might get 10 touches per game

4:30 Nah CMC or derrick henry should have won Comeback because what a lot of people don’t realize is that saquon still played 13 games and played 16 this year but cmc played like 7 last year and henry played only 8

@jtwk3400

Жыл бұрын

here is the criteria for cbpoy: it is typically given to a player who shows perseverance in overcoming adversity from not being able to play the previous season, such as an injury, or *for playing well in comparison to the previous year's poor performance* If a player can come back from such adversity or play at a high level over the previous year, they will usually be favored to win the award. How about coming back from nearly a decade of having a stigma that you suck on top of having a shitty previous season. I didn’t see anyone complaining when Tannehill won it a couple of years ago for similar reasons. This was Genos award to win, there are two sides to this award. Not to mention Geno got sucker punched in the jaw and it was pretty much shattered, and that effectively ruined his career.

I've been in a coma for 5 years. Listening to these ass takes led me to wake up and turn the video off. Appreciate MM Casual

@jacobtirk6438

Жыл бұрын

I used to agree with him on the QB thing, I would always complain, but now I’m on board with the idea a QB winning unless someone else stands out similar to AP. It’s probably the toughest position in sports. Entire defenses and coaching staffs scheme against you all week. Also, probably no position gets more criticism than the QB. Everyone points at the QB if the offense sucks, unless the o-line or play calling is to abysmal that fans see for themselves that the QB was set up for failure. His argument against QBs was showing the QBs who won MVP and act like they might not have all deserved it… the QBs on that list are some of the MOST ELITE players in the history of the NFL. Brady, manning, mahomes, Matt Ryan that season, Lamar Jackson his season… hard to say these guys are not the most deserving for such an award.

Zeke was a mvp finalist his rookie year but dak won rookie of the year

You say the most impactful player on thier team yet Mahomes took us to the superbowl with juju and mvs

George Pickens should’ve got offensive rookie of the year

you should rank the last 10 super bowls based of how good of a game they were

Will MMG ever go live again?

i get why qbs win the majority of mvps, but i don’t get why qbs can also win offensive player of the year when that’s the case. it just isn’t fair to other position players who had outstanding seasons and deserved it just to get snubbed for the only award that they can win, since mvp just isn’t attainable. like yea qb is almost always the most valuable position on the field, so give the best one an mvp, but since that’s basically just a qb award opoy should exclude qbs

the positional awards are basically the all pro teams

Hi MMG!

Does anyone else hear a random voice at 3:45 in the vid?

where are the powerpoint presentations?!???

ngl travis etienne was a mega underrated comeback player of the year, he suffered a big injury in his rookie year and then came back and did amazing. i still think saquon should have got it tho. Doug pederson was also really underrated but I dont think he should have won because he just outperformed expectations like Brian Daboll. Andy Reid def should have won imo.

There needs to be an award for O lineman, they get no respect when it comes to awards

Best rework in my opinion… Whole league: Coach of the Year- Most Impactful Player of the Year Most Memorable Play of the Year Offense: Passer of the Year- Receiver of the Year- Blocker of the Year- Rusher of the Year- Defense: DB of the Year- Linebacker of the Year- Defensive Lineman of the Year- Special Teams: Kicker of the Year- Punter of the Year- Returner of the Year- (I would love to see more awards handed out)

@Random-so8qp

Жыл бұрын

Thank goodness you don’t make awards🙏

@nappyheadj5523

Жыл бұрын

Way too many awards being handed out

MMCasual the Quarterback is the most valuable player on their team so of course they are the most valuable in the league

2012-2023≠13 years Papa😭😭

They should do it like they do it in madden give out awards for all position groups and coty roty mvp

Kenneth Walker got one more first place vote than Garrett Wilson, but lost on 2nd place votes.

I like that shirt papi

Godwin should have been a finalist for comeback player of the year, came back from a torn ACL late in the 2021 season, everyone was saying he'd be back like mid season he started the season. Had 100+ catches and 1000+ yards.

CPOY was Mccafrey

K9 wouldve won if he played all season. Also, lets not forget the seahawks have a top running line in the league

too many awards means less value for them

Alternate title: MMG has issues with NFL using improper English in their honors system

Spartan Strong

This year was especially stupid since Kenneth Walker had more 1st place votes… yes first place votes. Instead of just votes…. Any other year Walker is taking home that award. Why the hell did they have to do it like that. Why should someone get rewarded for getting more second place votes

@nickkambos8514

Жыл бұрын

It ain’t about second place votes it’s top 3 votes and Garett had more total than walker

I think Coach of the Year is crazy as Matt Lafluer on the Packers was a first year head coach and got them to 13-3 twice and 13-4 in his first 3 seasons and never got any credit for it other than being known as the head coach who couldn’t win a superbowl

Josh Jacobs had an amazing year

@mmg Who would have been your MVP?

The fact Olave didn't even get nominated makes no f*cking sense. Purdy didn't deserve to be on there but I just wanted to see Olave get some recognition for having an amazing year with the Saints QB-carousel

@DrHallwayThe69th

Жыл бұрын

While I’m shocked Olave wasn’t on there, I wouldn’t say Purdy didn’t deserve it. I mean, yeah, sure, he was in arguably better he best situation in football, but he was still Mr. Irrelevant. Now one could argue he shouldn’t have been, but the fact is he was and he came in and went undefeated in the regular season and took his team to the NFC Championship before having his elbow blown apart. I don’t think I’d call that undeserving of being on the list of nominees, but again, I do agree with the Olave thing as much as I hate to say it being a Bucs fan.

With Comeback player, you have to come back the awards should be renamed to Comeback player of the year and Comeback from injury player of the year.

Comeback player of the year should have been T-Law IMO

@botboi4334

Жыл бұрын

nah not as big of a comeback as saquan from multiple injuries

What was the sound at 3:46 😂😂

Comeback shoulda been cmc bro had year everyone said he would’ve got injured again but like

I agree with everything u said but also how much money would it cost then to make all these different trophies and for what I know different people have different interests but are a lot of people gonna pay attention to the best linemen award they can’t just throw around trophies to anyone cause if they make those trophies then they’d have to make a Troy for kickers and punter too right it wouldn’t make sense to make too many awards

I agree with the qb initiative for mvp. But mahomes deserved it even if it was for all players this year.

@Kyrie_Durant

Жыл бұрын

🎯

To be fair. Qbs are the most valuable position. It’s a qb award for a reason. The dpoy and opoy are meant for the best player on either side of the ball. Mahomes was not quite better than Jefferson not taking into account value.

Papa is so correct on comeback player of the year

@olivervv3662

Жыл бұрын

So, i know the name is definitely misleading but, the comeback player of the year is rewarded to the player that overcame the most diversity and still had an amazing season. Yes cmc and saquon both cameback from injuries and both played phenomenal but… geno overcame adversity throughout the past 10 years. example: fell to round 2 in the draft, picked by an awful team, genos own teammate broke his jaw, got traded to 4 different teams, sat behind flacco, phillip rivers and russell wilson so he never got a second chance and then he took the projected 2-15 seahawks to a 9-8 record with a bottom 3 run defense, barely any oline and god awful coaching. So that being said, geno 10000000% deserves the award even though the name is misleading

@retrowolves1868

Жыл бұрын

No he isnt

@bigbobbluepants3433

Жыл бұрын

@@olivervv3662 exactly he came back from being bad so he should get most improved player

@olivervv3662

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@@bigbobbluepants3433 Did u even read my comment?😭 the description of the award is: the comeback player of the year award is rewarded to the player that overcame the most adversity and still proved to be a top player. geno overcame adversity which doesnt necessarily have to be an injury. Plus theres no most improved award

@bigbobbluepants3433

Жыл бұрын

@@olivervv3662 exactly which is why he should get most improved player

Baseball has yearly awards, but instead of doing the entire league they have American League and National League awards. And they have the defensive positional awards (gold gloves, awarded to each position) and offensive positional awards (silver slugger, awarded to each position). I would fix NFL by copying baseball by awarding NFC and AFC awards.

Fuckin W

I agree with pretty much all of that. i just think the awards should be done the first week after the regular season ends

@jalenhernandez4060

Жыл бұрын

That's quite literally how it works

@endlessnight2453

Жыл бұрын

@Jalen Hernandez no it isn't the nfl honors was done the week before the superbowl

@jalenhernandez4060

Жыл бұрын

@@endlessnight2453 That's when it's announced lol voting and everything else is done long before then

@endlessnight2453

Жыл бұрын

@Jalen Hernandez that doesn't matter because we dont see it if they vote that eatly announce it the.

@jalenhernandez4060

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@@endlessnight2453 it does matter. It's not like they change it lol everyone who won their award were the most deserving anyway

Chris Olave

You missed AP assistant coach of the year and how the goofed up in not giving it to Ben Johnson

I think if coach of the year went to the actual best coach then Bill bellichek or Andy ried would have won it almost every year in recent history

The fact chris olave wasn't even in the conversation it's disrespectful.

Garret Wilson had 1100 yards w Flacco Zach Wilson and Mike white giving him the ball

I agree with the coaches

Holy MMG is a casual. The most deserving of an award this year was Garrett Wilson….

Chris Olave should have won ORPY he was the most consistent rookie from start to finish. Every other rookie had a run of games but not a full season

OPTY is essentially the best Offensive player who did not win MVP. Similar to DPOY is the best defensive player who did not win MVP. There has a been a LB and DT to win NFL MVP, even a kicker. Interestingly a receiver, TE or secondary player has never won MVP. There have been almost all QBs, some running backs, a few FB, 2 defensive players, and 1 kicker. I honestly would have said Cooper Kupp should have won NFL MVP last year. Triple crown with 145 c, 1965 all purpose yds, and 16 tds. If he didn't win it a receiver is never winning it. He also was on a top team, who won their division and then won the super bowl. Rodgers played well, but last year Brady almost played better honestly.

they shit on the real offensive rookie of the year K-9

Ok I get that Sauce had a good season, but Tariq woolen had 3 times as many picks, and only 4 less pass deflections than sauce Gardner, so even if he didn’t win, I think he should’ve been in the conversation. Tbh I think sauce only won DROTY cuz he is a lot more popular (Drafted 4th overall) and Tariq was drafted in round 6(153rd overall)