Quite possibly the most algorithmic colab of all time. Great video Derek.

@jacobramirez4894

10 ай бұрын

Super physiological amounts of algorithm

@deadlyactive

10 ай бұрын

Anabolic algo

@KF9000

10 ай бұрын

😂

@Damiancates12

10 ай бұрын

sam sulek next then

@somewheredec

10 ай бұрын

This is the "good" part of the internet.

Just stay natty like Mike O'Hearn kids.

@chomnansaedan4788

10 ай бұрын

Baby Don't Hurt me

@darkjedimaster6324

10 ай бұрын

no more

@MrVideogamegenius

10 ай бұрын

He’s a alien so it doesn’t count

@MikeWalksWithJesus

10 ай бұрын

Like the liver king

@springheeljak145

10 ай бұрын

number one natty god

A convo between two guys that don’t know us but have helped us all out. Solid.

@mikolajakubiec666

10 ай бұрын

These kinds of videos are not useful to anyone whatsoever. It's just entertainment. If you're natural the only thing that's gonna happen is getting blackpilled because of the "natural limit" that Jeff is pushing for some reason. These last videos are truly a disapointment from Jeff.

@UnhumanNewman

10 ай бұрын

@@Bertone4884It was already happening, this guy just brought it to light and giving people a way to not just “blast and cruise” but teaching them to take care of blood work as well

@UnhumanNewman

10 ай бұрын

@@mikolajakubiec666I think it’s pretty useful information, especially with many top guys trying to spew the bs if “steroids don’t really help all that much”

@mikolajakubiec666

10 ай бұрын

@@UnhumanNewman yeah that I somewhat agree with, however even then, how exactly does that impact your life as a natural lifter? I personally don't really care how much do steroids do because I'm not interested in doing them whatsoever. Instead of "informing" people about how big of a differnece they make (which actually might convince some people to jump on them - it's still the fault of the person jumping on, people who decide to do drugs are repsonsible for themselves, but still), just either don't talk about them or inform about their dangers and effects in an objective manner. There certainly are people who believe that you can "use them safely" but I don't think there's anyone who thinks that they don't work in terms of muscle growth. P. S. There's no natural limit.

@chrism5126

10 ай бұрын

​@mikolajakubiec666 no natural limit?

We need more minds like this coming together in the fitness industry

@Kez1a1

10 ай бұрын

Being musclebound does not mean you are "fit".

@malcolmthompson9555

10 ай бұрын

Strong minds*

@alanjohnson6169

10 ай бұрын

Jeff lost credibility when he said Cbum was natty at 19 😂 if you watch Derek’s face it speaks all the words you need to know.

@NeerujSethi

10 ай бұрын

@@alanjohnson6169 how does Jeff lose credibility? He said he doesn’t know anything about peds

@stj8614

10 ай бұрын

I miss the way Derek and Leo used to bounce off each other. Gives me those vibes great video.

The collab we’ve all been waiting for

@joev7452

10 ай бұрын

We have?

@jacobramirez4894

10 ай бұрын

Amén

@eshoosca

10 ай бұрын

@@joev7452 idk

@fallonchapple7067

10 ай бұрын

I have bro I have, they both seem like they are wise about it fr

@juandirection8820

10 ай бұрын

Nah Nippard has decent content but he's a commie weirdo. Dude legit tried to prove "racism" with studies, makes it hard to trust his fitness content considering how bs that was. Far from the worst in the fitness industry, but not in Derek's level

Jeff Nippard is preparing to blast

@mihairuja1113

10 ай бұрын

Again?

@Johnredcorn713

10 ай бұрын

He’s been blasting

@jacksonswinkle3283

10 ай бұрын

⁠@@Johnredcorn713bro he’s like 5’4 lol he’s def natty

@padraig88

9 ай бұрын

He for sure knows more than he lets out

@clownworld4655

9 ай бұрын

⁠@@jacksonswinkle3283yea if he wasn’t a turbo manlet I wouldn’t even entertain the idea that he’s natty. Speaking from experience as a 5’7 guy I’ve had people claim I juiced and I’m not even crazy shredded

Derek and Jeff truly are two of the most legit, trustworthy minds in the cesspool minefield that can be fitness social media. Seeing them come together like this is an absolutely legendary collab moment.

@MrJason005

10 ай бұрын

Don't forget Alan Thrall too

@DemonSquelcher

10 ай бұрын

@@MrJason005 I completely agree! That dude is a Powerlifting insight God!!

@mrw9216

10 ай бұрын

Besides the fact Jeff thinks his audience is too stupid to know the difference between fat free mass and muscle so was falsely quoting a study.

@MrJason005

10 ай бұрын

@@mrw9216 do you have more details about that? can you link to the video and timestamp where he said that and falsely quoted a study?

@mrw9216

10 ай бұрын

@@MrJason005 The video he was talking about how much muscle you can build enhanced vs natural. Kept saying a study was referring to “muscle” when it was talking about “fat free mass”. Continuing to perpetuate the myth steroids grow muscle without stimulus. All he did was correct himself in a comment and basically said his audience was too stupid to understand the difference. Which also means if they’re too stupid to understand that, then they for sure aren’t reading that comment.

Great to see you back two days in a row Derek ! I’ve been a fan of Jeff and subscribed to his channel for quite sometime and am thrilled to see this collaboration. Hope you both have a great day today and thank you for your thorough research and dedication to providing accurate and optimal health, wellness and performance information.

It sounds like Jeff is asking about this for a "friend" but its really for himself lol.

@socrates2788

10 ай бұрын

Yes it does.

@NicholasDraughn

10 ай бұрын

Exactly what I thought. Man might as well have been taking notes 😂

@sw-gz9ps

10 ай бұрын

it was for his video lol

@SSJGohan2000YT

10 ай бұрын

@@sw-gz9ps ^^^ yup exactly this. He made a video about 1-2 months ago on how much muscle you can put on with and without steroids.

@AlexHendershot

10 ай бұрын

It was for a video he already put out

This will be a legendary video for years to come. So well seats from the two informed points of view 🙏🏼thank you guys

It would be great to see some more of the two of you. I've found you guys have some of the best non click bait material that's actually been helpful for lifting.

Derek: 'it depends on the context' Jeff: 'grins insanely'

@elanawills2364

10 ай бұрын

Lolll I thought I was the only one to notice that

@relentlessliving5588

10 ай бұрын

Haha that's why I love him

This is the first, and most clear cut layout of different levels of cycles. Thank you mpmd

@asddasdasdasdadsa

10 ай бұрын

To be fair that's for average to bad genetics, there are outliers who are just ridiculous and they can get away with really little tren some only take 300 and got to ifb Status some probably took nothing and looked like they are in stuff young cbum or Ronny Coleman.

@RyeCA

10 ай бұрын

​@@asddasdasdasdadsaof course, there will always be outliers

@mikolajakubiec666

10 ай бұрын

​@@asddasdasdasdadsawell there are even natural IFBB pros

@bz2376

10 ай бұрын

@@mikolajakubiec666maybe a handful ever, most are lying

@mauroantoniocruz3807

10 ай бұрын

@@asddasdasdasdadsaSomeone that will be willing to take tren, has and does take grams of other shit for sure though.

This is by far the best video breaking down the basic information I always knew I needed about natty vs enhanced. I feel like I finally have a basic grasp on this stuff.

Went from 340 to 240 in the past 5 months. Cut out alcohol, started fasting, started keto, started elliptical .. then running. Started lifting with my son. Thank you for the awesome content Derek, I know this channel isn't necessarily geared towards weight loss, but your appreciation of and focus on health helped push me in a healthy direction. With that being said .. how fat should I not be before I eat my first trenboloney sammich? Daddy's got a lot of loose skin to fill out.

@Ubiquitous718

10 ай бұрын

Im no expert and you do not have to consider this advice in the slightest if it doesn't suit you, mind you your entire hormone profile will be on the line. But get down low, because body fat tissue is most active in aromatase. Dont start with Tren, just Test E.

@dragonrobotdj192

10 ай бұрын

180-200 pounds

@connordougherty3477

10 ай бұрын

please dont take tren, just start with low dose test then if you take it well slowly move up and add along the way. (following safe ammounts getting tests routinely)

@scarletsletter4466

10 ай бұрын

Congrats on your weight loss! That skin will snap back too, & it helps to supplement with fish oil, CoQ10, multivitamin, D, etc. If you’re truly having trouble building muscle, please just go to a physician & get TRT. Please don’t take tren or gear you buy in a gym.

@mitchweber7868

10 ай бұрын

Check out the small KZread channel "anabolic bodybuilding" on KZread, paul is a pretty big guy, 49 years old, and had some loose skin from when he stopped going to the gym, and got fat. He had surgery to get it tucked but said he regrets it, because there's just weird lines everywhere. So having a tiny bit of loose skin is not going to be the end of the world if you're 220+ and have a good amount of muscle.

Niiiice! i love jeffs minimalist workout videos as someone who doesnt want to gymrat anymore but wants to have an above average looking body.

@UnhumanNewman

10 ай бұрын

Working hard and not over eating is the simple route to the “looking good naked” route which I would argue is what the overwhelming majority of people should strive for. I watch a lot of Mike Isratel and while I love the info, it doesn’t really speak to me since I’m not looking to be a body builder

@Eysc

10 ай бұрын

go for mentzer rules

Would appreciate if you guys could come together for a few more videos, talking about compounds, training and supplements. Derek your the man bro.

I like that you actually invited the person to talk to in an actual call instead of making your own video commenting on the points he has made. It shows that you actually want to set things straight instead of owning the dude on things he might have missed. Awesome video !

J-Nipp was taking some serious notes we might see him blowing up in the 6months 😂💪💪💪 In all seriousness, awesome episode. I’d love to see you two do longer form content together. 2 of my favorite creators!

@mitchellavard

10 ай бұрын

J nip 😂😂

@estack925

10 ай бұрын

then he’ll be j-nip gyno

My man is back to uploading more YAY. Lets go Derek! FYI - Your New Electrolyte packs are awesome

Dude this is such an awesome collab, thank both of you guys for making this happen.

Been waiting for this collab for YEARS. Absolute legends of the fitness communty

Would love to see a part 2 to this. I respect both of you very much in the fitness space, really cool to see a colab.

Great video! Agree 100% bro with everything. Working at a men’s clinic as patients coaches I would say this is spot on 💪🏼

one of my favorite people to watch on the fitness/bodybuilding content. Actually, one of the only ones hahaha. So transparent about everything which is super respectable. We need someone like you to really teach people about steroids, good and bad.

My two favourites. I've learned so much from the two of you. I've rewatched Jeff's PPL routine video almost every day for the past year.

Very informative. Great dynamic convo. Thorougly enjoyed it💪🏻

Great video! Two extremely objective minds debating togheter, I'd love to see more! Thank you for the content both of you!

Great collab, two of my favorite science based fitness video creators 🔥. Learned hella info

Batman meets Superman right here

@matthewreist6530

10 ай бұрын

Deltman meets kiwiman

One of hopefully more collabs to come with Jeff!

This is the exact video i was looking for, as far as gaining knowledge on TRT for beginners, considering natural test levels. Doses, outcomes, free T.. etc. Derek is always reliable af.

Thanks for this. Good straightforward info like this is hard to come by.

I'm at 200mg weekly split on TRT. I'm 54 and did do cycles from 19 to 22 and quit. Started TRT at 53 at 100mg weekly to 150mg and 200mg got my test to 965, crazy thing was I didn't think I would even need 200mg just to be under 1000 testosterone. I have put on 16lbs from being on TRT and feel fantastic.

@testdrivenutrition3951

10 ай бұрын

Im on kisspeptin-10 monotherapy and my free test is 881 . I would look into kisspeptin-10 my balls are making their own test lh and fsh naturally. Testosterone enanthate 100 mgs a week had me at 680 . Im better without it.

@simak2391

10 ай бұрын

I'm curious, what kind of PEDs did you/other people use back then? What was the most legendary compound back then? There hasn't been that much innovation when it comes to AAS, but trends change. For example, currently people talk a lot about using primo/mast in place of an AI. What was the trend back then?

@C0d0ps

10 ай бұрын

@@simak2391 A lot of orals, test, primo, mast. I recommend looking up, “golden age bodybuilder” videos on KZread, for more in depth knowledge.

@agentcodybanks1

10 ай бұрын

Must be awesome defying nature and being at the 99th percentile of the natural testosterone range

@aajohnsoutube

10 ай бұрын

I’m with you on age and respond just a little better (~15%) on the numbers and gains. Lots of experience in the gym, but no previous experience with drugs though. I appreciate folks like you sharing comments like this.

Awesome! Looking forward to a podcast and / or video with you two!

Such a great collab 👌Absolutely here for a podcast of it!!

I never comment on KZread. You 2 are my favorite fitness channels; this was a dope surprise!

Derek still rambles a lot but I think it’s due to his high level of passion and wanting to be thorough with his answers, and the fact his brain works on a savant type level. So I’m all here for it. Jeff is also a great podcaster it seems. Would love to see more from these two.

@benhallo1553

10 ай бұрын

It’s so crazy how Derek is self taught in all these different areas hahaha

@symbolsarenotreality4595

10 ай бұрын

He doesn't ramble. You just are a simp who thinks quantity of information is rambling. Go back to school mate.

@symbolsarenotreality4595

10 ай бұрын

Wtf type of internalised anti-intellectualism is calling him a savant? Anyone can learn mate, it just takes effort. No one is born with knowledge. But yeah keep dumbing yourself down for social brownie points and insulting anyone who demonstrates knowledge. React puppet

@symbolsarenotreality4595

10 ай бұрын

@@benhallo1553 its just motivation mate, we all have brains. Obviously you are just projecting your insecurity in being able to learn. React puppet.

@MeesterJ

10 ай бұрын

Yeah it's the fear of forgetting important details. I also always ramble way too long when answering stuff 😅

Honestly, so stoked to see this. love both these dudes and love Jeff's curiosity and Derricks "like yah dude"

Always love videos with Jeff and Derek together

FYI Derek and Jeff - totally appreciate every video you do. Your dedication to educational fitness is absolutely the best thing on the internet... Sorry for gushing,,,!

I love how humble Jeff is. I’ve always gotten good info from him despite the perceived problems with “optimal training.”

A collab we’ve been waiting for

No videos for ages then 2 in 2 days. Tbf i didn't expect a video of almost 3 hours for dereks first video after his hiatus. Thank you for returning

1. Jeff Nippard and Derek did a video collab! I’m fking stoked for that! 2. The shameless plug for Gorilla Mind Energy! Priceless 😂

Y'all are the gold standard for integrity in the fitness industry- badass to see both of y'all in one vid

good stuff thanks Derek & Jeff.

Both of you guys are awesome. Keep collaborating!

I've seen a lot of sketchy height increasing routines targeted towards desperate teenagers recently. I'm concerned a lot of these are pretty dangerous or just completely time wasting. I'm really hoping Derek will see this and make a video explaining the complicated science around growth plates. Please upvote so Derek will see my suggestion.

@loganhaggerton4413

10 ай бұрын

He has a video called “Height Biohacking using pharmacology” that covers some of this stuff

@shankyt9484

10 ай бұрын

“MK677 WILL MAKE YOU TALLER JUST CLICK LINK IN BIO ALL SAFE 100% LEGIT NO SIDE EFFECTS”

@mazza653

10 ай бұрын

W

@toximan2008

8 ай бұрын

manlets will do literally anything except accept reality

@slo369

8 ай бұрын

@@toximan2008not me dawg. Never been self conscious of my lack of height but I’m stronk af haha

Derek you LEGEND! The best fitness influencers on KZread. In my opinion.

Been waiting for this collab for like three years now.

We missed you bro!! Keep up the good work my brother 💪💯

This was great. It's like watching two halves of the same brain coming together at last.

@Woozy.0

10 ай бұрын

For serious bro, great way to put it

Que chingon collab

@jacobramirez4894

10 ай бұрын

Hey brother

@matteotavone4552

10 ай бұрын

No mames

@mrolliepoper

10 ай бұрын

hola mi mejor amigo

DEREK I SAW U DOWNTOWN VICTORIA ON FRIDAY AND I SAID “Derek” and you were super polite And cool and I said “you’re the fuckin man” and I want to clarify I truthfully meant that I am from Victoria and like I run into so many people who are like yoo and say the same shit and to be on the opposite side of the interaction I loved it and like appreciated the experience But for real you are actually the fucking man and I have nothing but hella love and respect for you! I truthfully fan girld so hard when I saw you and man I am super shy but you’re super dope and deserve to know that! Thanks for being super nice too!

These two just helped me navigate my protocols. Definitely had questions that got answered.

My two favorite KZreadrs in one video!! And what an interesting video it was. I’m on 160 mg TRT and my levels are almost at 1000. I’ve definitely gained some lean mass in the past few months of being on.

@kartikeyparashar9548

9 ай бұрын

Why you taking it

@sonder8809

3 ай бұрын

Most ppl who take are insecure

Jeff Nippard on the sauce would be insane

@areichental

10 ай бұрын

Derek did miracles for Kyle. Anything can happen.

@kungfoochicken08

10 ай бұрын

Tfw no matter how much you lift, you’ll never grow taller

@JustChill-zd4ib

10 ай бұрын

@@kungfoochicken08 Always that insecure bozo picking on others for their height. Typical school bully behavior. Sorry your daddy beat you kid.

@ayugoslav5554

10 ай бұрын

@@kungfoochicken08 just wear lifts lol

@spearfish

10 ай бұрын

He is on the sauce already

Is this the first time y'all collaborated? I hope there's more in the future! Great video guys

Finally, the goats of fitness get together 👏👏

Can we get more MPMD and the Kiwi God collaborations, please?

Keep the videos coming bro!

That will be great to listen to looking forward it happing appreciated it guys keep up great work💪🏽💯🔥

The two best guys in the industry ❤

Would be cool to see more videos with your take on Olympic athletes. I think your video on Justin Gatlin's doping scandal from a while ago was very informative and a fun watch. However, I am curious as to whether you think most or all athletes are doping or if there are some who compete at that level naturally.

Nippard saving my body and Derek saving my hair. Just a couple of genuine guys being dudes. Gotta love it.

Can we get a 3 hour podcast please?

Possibly the most powerful fitness industry collaboration of all time!!! 👍👍👍👍

I’ve missed you bro. Glad to see your videos are back! Hope vacay was good. Have a great day.

Finally. The only two fitness content creators I trust that aren't named Andrew Huberman, have a chat.

@pricklycats

10 ай бұрын

I thought he was a neuroscientist

@THICCTHICCTHICC

10 ай бұрын

All Huberman says is to be cold and eat good food lol

@Lycox15

10 ай бұрын

@@THICCTHICCTHICC well it's better than being told to eat liver cereal.

@michaeltagor4238

10 ай бұрын

​@@THICCTHICCTHICCthat's just a testimony of how awful the modern lifestyle is, and he's not wrong most people are forced to have shitty lifestyle so they're destroying themselves, so doing the bare minimum could help (namely eat good food and be cold)

@Lycox15

10 ай бұрын

@@pricklycats who better to teach mind muscle connection?

-0.5mg oral Dutasteride Monday, Wednesday, Friday -5mg oral minoxidil daily -Ketokonazole shampoo every other day - I have been doing this protocol for almost a year and went from a Norwood 3 back to a Norwood 2 (mature hairline). I’ve had no side effects (sexual dysfunction, depression, head fog, water retention, reflex tachycardia ect.) I started with 1mg finasteride daily for a year but it only stopped further hair loss. The protocol above has regrown hair and I would say it’s night and day from a hair density perspective. I wish I would have started 3 years earlier and may still have a Norwood 1 hairline. Hope this helps someone.

@GrullonMiguel

10 ай бұрын

Can these be purchased over the counter or do they have to be prescribed by a doctor?

Derek!! Big love homie!!! The GOATS!

Two of the best in the biz. Love it!!

54 6’3” 230# 16.8%bf TRT 100mg/wk Cyp for almost 2 years and have highly enjoyed the treatment so far. No issues at all. Blood tested every 6-8 weeks and all looks good. Don’t abuse the drug, make it help and not hurt you. 2 👍🏼 from me. Fountain of youth. Enjoy!

Jeff, picking his brain to figure out where to start😂

the dream podcast, love seeing you two together!

One of the topics I've been waiting for quite sometime.

Babe, wake up, Derek from More Plates More Dates just posted a video with Jeff Nippard

Finally, we get to meet the anonymous anabolic expert himself.

The collab I've been pining for, been loving Jeff's approach and presentation of info for years and Derek for a couple now. Fantastic people to get legit info like Mike Israetel

So great to talk about these subjects and informing everyone, rather than pretending it don't exist. Great Video guys. Maybe start a podcast together... just a idea.

I love how Jeff has to act like he doesn’t know how half this stuff works. Even if you are natty and have been in the industry for a while, you know at least some of this stuff.

@brianmeen2158

10 ай бұрын

Yeah I found that funny as well .. almost fishy

@YungBapacito

10 ай бұрын

right? so much bs

@tylivalord

10 ай бұрын

Bro, I've been natty for 8 years and for a competition I did 2 cycles, I don't know shit even if I know the drugs. The knowledge you have and how they deploy cycles are different.

@jasoncorey

10 ай бұрын

I know a ton about the camera gear I use.....I know nothing about any other gear I do not use. I have no need nor brain space for it if I have no need to know. Just because he is in the fitness industry does not equate to him being knowledgeable about drugs...same thought as my comparison.

@chrism5126

10 ай бұрын

​@@jasoncoreyanyone that is very much into bodybuilding like Jeff has wondered and researched peds.

Bostin Loyd used to be my coach in 2014 he was taking the whole kitchen sink rest in peace. Just focus on diet and lift intense focus on the eccentric push pull legs and do your cardio and you’ll have a beautiful body don’t do drugs guys (shrooms are cool tho)😂😂

Waited so long for this collaboration 🎉

we want the whole ep. im sure you've recorded more with Jeff!

I went from 100mg/wk and still had some symptoms to 150mg/wk and good how I feel. Breaking up every other day or at least twice a week really helped having side effects from spikes. I found that over 50mg in a dose I felt minor side-effects so breaking up was good. I've not noticed a difference in muscle mass but has helped recomp a little being I was pushing 38% body fat.

@chrism5126

10 ай бұрын

Did it help your energy?

@CoolSilver

10 ай бұрын

@@chrism5126It has. One of the things that I was having issues with still at 100mg week

@ryanrogers8211

10 ай бұрын

TRT is amazing for energy. You injecting every night before bed small doses keeps the side effects of fluctuations away completely.

Both You and nippard should do another collab where you conduct a few controlled studies or even you, huberman and jeff nippard. THE videos would def go viral and it would only serve to cement your legacy as a true pioneer the science-based and backed side of the fitness industry ... PLease Here My Prayers Delt Lord!

@TheUnemployedGoku

10 ай бұрын

NIPPHARD PLS

@IchorSanies

10 ай бұрын

This

Surreal Collab man, it feels weird watching two channels I follow separately make a video together.

I’ve been waiting for this video!

Like the bodybuilding angel and devil on our shoulders

No need for PEDs unless you're a pro athlete or over 40 or 50. I'm 35 got the diet on point, best shape of my life. Feel damn good, crazy what hydration and diet does.

@bibsp3556

10 ай бұрын

Yeah. Feels wicked hey. Same boat.

@danielwall5914

10 ай бұрын

same here

@Demane69

10 ай бұрын

I'm 52, look 42, have a 6 pack, deadlifting more than ever, still gain muscle and mass easily (and youthful sex life). People are addicted to shortcuts and ego. 99% of TRT users mismanaged their life and do not need to be on it.

@danielwall5914

10 ай бұрын

@@Demane69 thanks for sharing! I love hearing stuff like this. Im 36 and shape and strength is still improving, been natural all my life and just taken good care of my health 🙌🏼

@t4d0W

9 ай бұрын

At baseline the fountain of youth is already there. Eat better, sleep better, cut down on vices to save the liver, keep pushing for gym goals. PEDs just adds more expenses where unless there is a real good pay out for it (i.e. Hollywood) its not worth really worth the cost.

Thank you so much for your honesty!

It amazes me how spot on you are with this information. You’re the G.O.A.T Bro

Back in 1989 we never got blood test and the only info we had was Dan Dushane anabolic steroid hand books , I started at 19 but was lifting since the age of 12 and the only reason I got on PEDs was because the guys I trained with started and putting on size and strength leaving me in the dust. I have to be honest and say I wouldn't have changed a thing and back then I read everything learning about steroids and was one of the few to use low amounts and two 6 week cycles a year, I quit at 22 and I did go for 8 weeks on my last cycle using sustanon and anadrol 50 and did 3 cycles that year. The only thing I would have changed would of been using HCG after coming off cycles.

@bunny.bunbob

10 ай бұрын

would of would of would of .. please

@diedonasaturday

10 ай бұрын

*would have

@quantumfx2677

10 ай бұрын

@@bunny.bunbob thanks for the handy work. Fixed!

Hey not related but first cycle here. Decent natty physique base. Probably couldve used more work but made poor choices and now im on 250 test e a week split in two doses. Im on week 3 right now about to take my third dose. I got my vial tested and it is actually test e at 263 mg and since i started taking it my veins are popped and ive gained 14 pounds. My bench went up 30 pounds in 2 and a half days of which i wasnt putting up extreme numbers before or anything but thats a big gap for a few days. I also take 20mgs of cardarine a day and eat about 6000 calories on average and pretty healthy for the most part but still have abs granted i also do cardio 7 days a week and have always had a huge metabolic rate. I just need to know if im hyper responding because its my first cycle or if i might be a hyper responder in general or do i just have my training and diet locked in enough to see decent results quickly. Id like to repeat this isnt a flex. I am still alarmingly average but there is already visible difference and enough for people who see me in the gym often to call me on it.

@steviejrr

4 ай бұрын

it takes 4-6 weeks for test to fully kick in, might be placebo that caused your lifts to go up.

@mackwhite374

4 ай бұрын

@steviejrr I posted a few months ago but I'll give an update. After pct I ended up keeping about 17 pounds. And gained 29 total. Stayed on the cardarine through pct so the water cut pretty dry. Still alarmingly average but I think if I cycle again I can for sure refine my training and will always have new things to learn. Pct wasn't my favorite but it is what it is. I know I only gained so much because I started so small.

@steviejrr

4 ай бұрын

@@mackwhite374 Whats the point of doing pct if you know you're gonna cycle again. I was gonna do ''1 cycle'' and then realized that I would do more so I just blast and cruise and got more results in the 3 month blast than I did in a year and half of newbie gains but I did everything right of course.

@mackwhite374

4 ай бұрын

@steviejrr you're right life just got in the way. I had a change of living situation and a kid on the way now and money is more tight so I work more and have less time for sleep and training and didnt really see a reason to be on gear if im not doing enough with it to really do anything productive.

Greatest Vancouver/Kelowna collab since the Coquihalla highway! Nice vid, fellas.

Love this collab LETS GOOO

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trt is probably anything between 75-200 dependent on individual response, 100/wk would put me at 450~

@mortenpaskins6073

10 ай бұрын

There are some legitimate examples of some people needing up to 500mg even to get to 900ng/dl

wow never been more hype for a collab